Neo Platonism

[Anonymous No.22798090]

Let’s discus Neo Platonism

Best authors are
Plotinus
Iamblichus
Numenius
And Proclus

Let us list some key questions

[Anonymous No.22798092]

>>22798090
Does Plato ever use cosmological arguments like the unmoved mover of Aristotle.

[Anonymous No.22798098]

>>22798090
Why does the one overflow?
Abundance? However this is only a nebulous answer

[Anonymous No.22798102]

>>22798090
Is there a heaven in Neo-Platonism and where is it? Neo Platonsits talk more of individual ascension of exceptional souls not like a general heaven of regular good people like the Christians see it. Where would the Christian heaven be? Above the demiurge? Below the forms?
Is there a heaven for the masses at all in Platonism?

[Anonymous No.22798105]

>>22798090
Are there more Forms than there are Henads? For example which group are more numerous, are there like loads of Forms and a few selected Henads? Or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.22798112]

>>22798090
How does Plato’s conception of the soul differ from the Christian

[Anonymous No.22798113]

Philo
Augustine

[Anonymous No.22798151]

>>22798113
Honestly how did Christian Neo Platonists reconcile Plato calling the body a tomb where as Paul called it a temple

And the bodily resurrection

[Anonymous No.22798162]

>>22798092
No because Plato’s demiurge isn’t an actual spiritual entity. It’s just mechanics of nature.

[Anonymous No.22798172]

>>22798090
Some posts from the last thread that didn't get enough attention, mostly focusing on Aristotle's cosmology and Neoplatonism's relationship to it:
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[Anonymous No.22798250]

>>22798090
Why is Simplicius so utterly retarded?

[Anonymous No.22798310]

>>22798102
It would be within the space between Nous and Psyche, like the strings between the the puppet and puppeteer.

[Anonymous No.22798330]

>>22798151
isn't a tomb not also holy place? a shrine? I feel like most people are not understanding what Plato is saying here.

[Anonymous No.22798336]

§1598. The universe as anti-concept
We create a concept by separating a part of the world and reflecting it in thought. Therefore the universe—which is the sum of all concepts, which is why it can’t be conceptualized—is not a concept but the anti-concept: a weapon by which one may destroy all others. And the philosophers have been using it as such for a very long time (which explains why they’re depressed). When you want to destroy a concept, just universalize it, and—as long as your analysis remains consistent—poof: it’s gone. (Which is also why all ideologies are wrong.)

http://orgyofthewill.net

[Anonymous No.22798343]

>>22798330
Soma Sema is a Pythagorean saying, Plato merely incorporated and elaborated upon it. https://www.academia.edu/33117741/Soma_Sema_The_Body_as_a_Prison_for_the_Soul

[Anonymous No.22798370]

>>22798310
>like the strings between the the puppet and puppeteer.

Who’s the puppet?

[Anonymous No.22798372]

>>22798336
Who the fuck wrote that?

[Anonymous No.22798398]

>>22798370
The Prisoner believes itself to be the Puppet, unlike the Puppeteer that Animates the corporeal world as well as multiple puppets. However, the Puppeteer is not quite the Fire that casts the shape of the shadows upon the projection, though there may be those moving behind the shadow puppet wall making noises and shadows unrelated to the individual puppets as they temporarily block the light of the Fire upon the world. Call them however you please, but there are many just liminal spaces within the platonic hierarchy that hasn't been properly elaborated on.

[Anonymous No.22798424]

>>22798092
Don't listen to this guy:
>>22798162
Read Laws, book 10:
>This: when we find one thing changing another, and this in turn another, and so on,—of these things shall we ever find one that is the prime cause of change? How will a thing that is moved by another ever be itself the first of the things that cause change? It is impossible. But when a thing that has moved itself changes another thing, and that other a third, and the motion thus spreads progressively through thousands upon thousands of things,
He tries to prove the existence of gods through a first mover there

[Anonymous No.22798465]

>>22798424
Laws uses World Soul, Timaeus uses Nous and Ananke.

[Anonymous No.22799167]

>>22798090
Why does the One have to produce Intellect?

[Anonymous No.22799238]

>>22798424
Thanks anon great help

[Anonymous No.22799298]

>>22798398
Dude you lost me with the metaphors explain to me like I’m five man

[Anonymous No.22800032]

>>22799167
Good question

[Anonymous No.22800452]

>>22799298
Heaven for those who fail to be liberated are like aimless unembodied yet self tormented souls groping the sides of the cave in the dark trying to find an animating shadow to possess. They're no better than living souls bound to face the shadows as if it was themselves. Where they usually end up is generally back to re-embodiment and so also their consequent death they reap and the cycle goes on. The Telos for Christianity is merely to respawn in greener pastures with better spawn loot within the corporeal domain while simultaneously pretending to be corporeally immortal and so the apocatastasis is a cyclical one within the Plotinian Third Hypostasis, no different than the round about of samsaric rebirth and rebecoming. Your Ascent is Descent. The demigod's blood that you partake is the Lethe that makes you mortal again in the next cycle where a new front seat is available to be bound by your own free will to face the horrors of this world yet again.

[Anonymous No.22800503]

>>22799167
The One doesn't produce, it simply is also attributive as in providing unity to all other things because it is a principle for an attribute, and there is no attribute without a higher principle so the One can't be the first principle without having at least one attribute of itself. Therefore, the One that is a unity to itself is not the unity to other despite being unified to all things, it isn't each every thing that many things subsists in self identified self embodied individuation.

[Anonymous No.22802266]

>>22798112
It was created before birth and will be reincarnated
>>22798105
The argument he uses to show that the Henads are finite in number is that many is far from the one so it wouldn't be fitting for them to be innumerable. So I imagine that there are more Forms than Henads.
>>22798098
It just does.