/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22758048]

I'm obsessed with what happens after death. What could I read to possibly have an idea?

[Anonymous No.22758051]

>>22758048
15000 years tradition of cope

[Anonymous No.22758057]

[Anonymous No.22758279]

We come back.

[Anonymous No.22758297]

>>22758048
Montaigne has an essay about a similar obsession but a near death experience cures him of it. The title escapes me, however. Would some good anon therefore be so kind as to supply the needed title?

[Anonymous No.22758858]

>>22758048
A list of mechanisms for how an afterlife could potentially exist:
https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/

A possible mechanism for how quantum immortality could work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

[Anonymous No.22758859]

https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/the-many-possible-ways-to-resurrect/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13yLq16QiM

[Anonymous No.22758860]

>>22758048
The Bible

[Anonymous No.22758879]

>>22758048

[Anonymous No.22758888]

>>22758297
De L’Exercitation / Use Makes Perfect

[Anonymous No.22758892]

>>22758048
Me too, anon. I just bought a vanitas painting because it's been on my mind so much. I would recommend Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.22758898]

>>22758879
Schizo shit supported by neither evidence nor logic.

[Anonymous No.22758901]

>>22758048
https://
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[Anonymous No.22758926]

>>22758898
Other anons post scientology and new age youtubers but IM the schizo for sharing a clergymans thoughts on the afterlife. Anons here are just insane sometimes

[Anonymous No.22758927]

>>22758048
basic bitch buddha shit
buddhists think about this shit all day and game the fucking process
fuckin' autistic

[Anonymous No.22758967]

>>22758048
Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSxs_4RJfFQ
Mesopotamia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0ys2wvh1c
Hellenistic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PVPUuyBX7A
Hebrew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjXcaPI-tEE

Gnostic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb3MZZpHj5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INgTzv2vyxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efzEwgsJRM

Gnostic-Manichean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxt7Gu7jGk8

[Anonymous No.22758979]

>>22758967
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-with-the-jewish-people-my-twenty-four-hour-odyssey/
kek

[Anonymous No.22759027]

>>22758048
Wagner's Tristan und Isolde.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1lr3afPt3k

>Friends who visited him were frightened by his appearance. He also told about a cardiac spasm: 'The machine wouldn't work anymore'. He said he had lain on the sofa, unable to work, and occupied himself with thoughts of death. What death is no one can say - is it 'das dunkle Reich der Nacht, aus dem die Mutter mich gebraucht [the dark realm of night from which my mother brought me]?' Then, with a vigorous gesture of rejection and full of lust for life: 'But enough of that now, we are still alive!'
>'In fact, one can't live toward God in the daytime, one can only seek that other Tristan-land - and then die toward Him, when it is the time and he wants it . . .'

[Anonymous No.22759060]

>>22758048

[Anonymous No.22759082]

>>22758048
You are not that wich is born/dies.

[Anonymous No.22759155]

>>22758048
Im the first to admit my own midwittery. I can still understand the incentive behind most philosophical dilemmas. The question of what happens after death though? Why? Why even wonder? Why would it concern you? You will cease to be. You will never observe the effects yourself. It is impossible to even simulate the experience. Why should you care?
>inb4 if you can neither prove nor disprove the thing is no excuse to refrain from contemplating thing A and thing B
Sure. But in this instance, it is akin to pissing on sand. Knowing, or theorizing about what happens after death (let alone being obsessed, lmao) amounts to NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.22759167]

>>22758048
>I'm obsessed with what happens after death.
You're in it

[Anonymous No.22759172]

>>22759155
>Knowing, or theorizing about what happens after death
Isn't that what you just did when you said this:
>You will cease to be. You will never observe the effects yourself. It is impossible to even simulate the experience.
That's knowing or theorizing about death.

[Anonymous No.22759194]

>>22759172
Ceasing to be is only inferred from the long time association of death with finality.
If you re implying that a dialogue about death will put into question even a rudimentary assumption of the self-discontinuity, to suggest that we do subsist in some way... then I dont know what to say. I concede that it is a theory. But a theory held and peddled for so long that it now resembles an objective truth.

[Anonymous No.22759199]

>>22758048
Where is that poster that spams that after death experience book?

[Anonymous No.22759416]

You think in the endless abyss they make threads about what being alive is like and then when they do finally get born it's as some guy who keeps thinking about what dying is like

[Anonymous No.22759977]

[Anonymous No.22760005]

The Hour of Our Death by Philippe Aries

[Anonymous No.22760025]

>>22758057
I was reading the book on google books but it has limited pages, do you have another link for online reading? Libgen's download had 41MB and I thought it was virus.
>>22758279
How is it related?
>>22758858
I find the picture's idea strange but I saved the links, ty
>>22758859
Saved
>>22758297
>>22758888
Interesting
>>22758892
What book(s) exactly?
>>22758967
Saved even though I not very into Gnosticism
>>22759027
>>22759060
>>22759082
>>22760005
Saved
>>22759199
The book is "Why There is Obviously An Afterlife" by Jens Amberts
>>22759977
I'm not very into Christianity but ty

[Anonymous No.22760286]

>>22760025
>I was reading the book on google books but it has limited pages, do you have another link for online reading? Libgen's download had 41MB and I thought it was virus.
What is a library?

[Anonymous No.22760290]

>>22760025
>What book(s) exactly?
start with the death of Ivan Ilyich, of course. You can read it in a day, too.

[Anonymous No.22760294]

>>22758048
You will never know and you need to accept that and focus on all that life offers you

[Anonymous No.22760298]

>>22758048
>after

[Anonymous No.22760354]

>>22758927
This, but with Origenism. Both "Origenist Crises" and the branding of Origen as a heretic has been a disaster for the human race. The only saving grace was that the Desert Fathers remained committed Origenists and passed their wisdom down.

[Anonymous No.22760421]

>>22759027
>>'In fact, one can't live toward God in the daytime, one can only seek that other Tristan-land - and then die toward Him, when it is the time and he wants it . . .'
EVER. SINGLE. TIME.

I ENVY THE SHITHEADS WHO HAVE FAITH

[Anonymous No.22760830]

>>22760286
I don't know if I'll find it in a physical library but I'll try. Anyway what's the gist of the book? It argues for or against an afterlife, basically speaking?
>>22760290
Ty
>>22760294
The curiosity gives me anxiety though
>>22760298
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.22760839]

>>22760830
physical library in my country*

[Anonymous No.22760849]

>>22760830
There's no real reason to have anxiety about something that will inevitably happen. You breathe, you sleep, do these give you anxiety? Sleep is the same state of practical non-being that death is most plausibly, so just think of it that way. Your anxiety is derailing you from focusing on the joys of existence that you have for such a brief time.

[Anonymous No.22760961]

>>22760849
>Sleep is the same state of practical non-being that death is most plausibly, so just think of it that way.
How do you know? I would be fine with dreaming in my death because I enjoy dreaming, but if it hadn't any dreams it would be kind of despair-causing. One of my joys of life, is understanding what's happening and understanding the things I'm interested in. So not knowing how death will be is very anxiety-causing for me.

[Anonymous No.22760963]

>>22758048
Have the same obsession, but I decided to make my own idea of the afterlife instead of reading other peope's ideas.

[Anonymous No.22760968]

>>22760961
one of my joys of life, if not the main joy,*

[Anonymous No.22760972]

>>22760963
How did you make the idea though? What is the idea, if you wanna share it?

[Anonymous No.22761008]

>>22760972
Made it by writing down everything I am unable to do in life, mostly after a period of long chronic illness. The idea is basically Minecraft. A large plane governed by the same physical laws of our universe save for a few things that I want changed to make things easier, e.g. no illness or fall damage, and I will spend the rest of eternity learning and experiencing everything I could not do in real life. Hopefully other people would join me.

[Anonymous No.22761226]

>>22761008
Interesting, anon. For me it's difficult to even imagine how it will be for me :(. But your conception of it was nice.

[Anonymous No.22761249]

>>22761008
Are you actually able to genuinely believe in this idea? How? I think many of us would choose faith in this way if we could.

[Anonymous No.22761250]

>>22758048
Plato’s Phaedrus. Anything from Aquinas. Try his treatise on happiness and the last end

[Anonymous No.22761544]

>>22761249
No. I just focus on what I want to prevent me from ruminating on death.

[Anonymous No.22761621]

>>22760354
>the Desert Fathers remained committed Origenists
proof?

>>22760354
>passed their wisdom down.
to whomst exactly?

[Anonymous No.22761627]

>>22758048
Christ is the only way to eternal life.

[Anonymous No.22762015]

>>22758859
How exactly would quantum ressurection work? I didn't get it.

[Anonymous No.22762088]

>>22760005
posts like this are why im i cant get myself to stop wasting hours on this site.

[Anonymous No.22762866]

>>22759194
>Ceasing to be is only inferred from the long time association of death with finality.
But there isn't that strong of an association of death with finality. There is a long time association of death with finality of human life, but cultures that didn't have le grand afterlife still had the depressingly shadowy, lifeless spirit realm. If anything, the association of death with true finality has been an idea that has repeatedly failed to catch on until recently (and even then, how much has it really caught on? most people still believe in some sort of afterlife).

[Anonymous No.22762892]

Mystics have a relatively common motif of viewing your "world", and this includes time, as small, as "a world in a grain of sand", or feeling it being pulled out from you like a thin string, or as a drop of water. Sometimes this is also felt as a sensation of falling into, and or being pulled out of the world, often simultaneously, for example Hemmingway described his soul as being pulled out of his body like a handkerchief out of a pocket in his NDE. Look for NDE accounts that attempt to describe the relation of this to the aspect "360 degree vision" or "hyperdimensional" perspective. Compare to the phenomenological similarities in derealization, schizophrenia, Cotards syndrome, and solipsism. Steiner is good and very consistent with NDE reports, especially the inversion of awareness and life review.
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/MomDea_index.html
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA095/English/RSPAP1986/19060824p01.html

[Anonymous No.22762896]

>>22760421
Maybe you're not as intelligent as you think you are and you're missing something about faith?

[Anonymous No.22762913]

It's insane to me that people bring children into this world despite having no idea what happens after death.
For all you know the afterlife is much more cruel and absurd than even our life on earth.

[Anonymous No.22762925]

>>22762892
More related stuff:
Decent broad overview of the history of death and burial - https://youtu.be/X0f-AYkEofc
Myth of Er in the Republic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwY8BO29zjk
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350837211_Near_Death_Experiences_and_the_5th_Dimensional_Spatio-Temporal_Perspective
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799323/m2/1/high_res_d/vol21-no4-201.pdf
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/11888005/the-evolution-of-the-afterlife-journal-of-consciousness-studies
https://sacred-texts.com/cla/flwp/flwp27.htm

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[Anonymous No.22763626]

>>22762913
sex feels good

[Anonymous No.22763637]

Gravity's Rainbow

[Anonymous No.22763644]

>>22763637
existence in the form of minerals and nutrients? wow

[Anonymous No.22763956]

>>22758048
>What happens after death

Well, not much...

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[Anonymous No.22764579]

>>22763644
this, life is just a let down to pass on us as the final meal

[Anonymous No.22764737]

>>22758048
Eternal nap time. Nothing. Identical to the nothing that preceded your life.
There. We’re done here.

[Anonymous No.22765432]

>>22760025
>I find the picture's idea strange
Why? When you are alive in some way there is a sense of passing time. And when you are dead you dont have this sense so literally infinite time can pass until you are somehow alive again but you wont notice because you didnt have a sense of time. Of course your different lives will be completely unrelated.

[Anonymous No.22766032]

>>22765432
>When you are alive in some way there is a sense of passing time. And when you are dead you dont have this sense so literally infinite time can pass until you are somehow alive again but you wont notice because you didnt have a sense of time.
Agreed. But perception and existence are not the same thing. And death and pre-life are not the same too. You wrote "exist" in your graph when it would be "perceive", and "death" in some parts when it would be "pre-life". And even if you read "perceive/perception" for every "exist/existence", you would still be presuming that there is life after death. Because while it is true that if non-perception in the pre-life was infinite we could not perceive right now, from that it doesn't follow that there will be perception in the post-life. You say that when we die, we go back to the pre-life state, which presupposes being born, but I don't see why that would be. You say that the conditions are the same in the pre-life and in the post-life, but I don't see why they would be. In the pre-life, DNA was being formed. In the post-life, DNA was only destroyed/vanished. Don't we need a DNA to have a body and to perceive?

[Anonymous No.22766141]

>>22760354
Based

[Anonymous No.22766238]

Consider the following:
1. if something exists it exists at one or more points in time
2. if something exists but does not exist in all points of time it still exists
3. if you die you do not continue to exist in new points of time
4. due to 1. and 2., if you die, you do not cease to exist

[Anonymous No.22766247]

>>22764737
It’s not even a “nothingness”, not even a null set — just the absence of anything entirely

[Anonymous No.22766295]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_salience
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanitas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_mori

[Anonymous No.22766403]

>>22758859
quantum resurrection is the most likely way to come back. even elon believes in it

[Anonymous No.22766652]

>>22758048
I think that there might be what you'd consider an afterlife (somewhere you spend the rest of eternity after bodily death). Consider this: If you were destined to oblivion after death, you would not be having a first person experience right now, nor could you retain any memories. What would happen is your life would be like a dream you forgot after waking up (the kinds that, to you, feel like they never happened at all).

[Anonymous No.22766821]

>>22766238
That's just saying that dead people still exist in the past, isn't it?
>>22766652
>If you were destined to oblivion after death, you would not be having a first person experience right now, nor could you retain any memories.
Why? I don't get how it follows. How is death (a future thing) related to life now?

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[Anonymous No.22768304]

>>22762913
lol, this is the definition of 'over thinking it'
life really isn't that deep
suffering isn't that deep

[Anonymous No.22768331]

>>22766652
This is the kind of shit a deluded brainlet will tell themselves in order to cope

[Anonymous No.22768758]

>>22758048
Hopefully absolutely nothing

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[Anonymous No.22769808]

>>22760961
It wouldn't be despair causing because you wouldn't feel bad, just like you don't feel in despair in dreamless sleeps. You don't feel anything; a better comparison to the state after life, "non-being", is everythibg that happened prior to your birth

[Anonymous No.22769967]

>>22758879
based

[Anonymous No.22770289]

>>22766821
Thinking about it now, I think what I said about the forgotten dream metaphor was an analogy and not a reason. I haven't really thought about the reason why I consider this to be true, but it might clear up what I'm thinking of a bit if I use a better analogy.

Imagine a dream you remember having last night, but you forgot what happened in it. You *know* that something did happen in it, but *what* exactly you don't remember. It's essentially lost forever.

If you were to truly wake up (die in oblivion), your unique experience of that life/dream would be lost forever. But the fact that you're experiencing life right now in a first-person experience means you never wake up from the dream. The dream has no end, because an end implies waking up.

>>22768331
Well, do YOU have a better idea? Besides "muh nothingness"?

[Anonymous No.22771005]

>>22768758
Why "hopefully"?
>>22769808
I meant that it would be despair-causing now, while I'm alive.
>>22770289
>But the fact that you're experiencing life right now in a first-person experience means you never wake up from the dream. The dream has no end, because an end implies waking up.
But what guarantees that we will never wake up? Just because we haven't woken up yet, it doesn't mean that we will never wake up, no?

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>>22758048
You should read a book about body decomposition. It's a well researched topic.

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[Anonymous No.22774567]

>>22758048
If you die without believing in Jesus, your sins won't be washed away, and you will burn in hell for your sins. The good news is that it's very easy to get to heaven. Watch this gospel video if you want to be 100% sure of going to heaven after you die anon. Gospel means good news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3uF0juIVI

[Anonymous No.22774572]

>>22774567
after you get saved, you should read the King James Bible, which is the preserved word of God in the English language. Modern bible versions like the NIV, ESV, NASB, catholics bibles, etc are all corrupted.

[Anonymous No.22774790]

>>22774567
If you want people to believe don't threaten them with magical lava

[Anonymous No.22775402]

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[Anonymous No.22775429]

>>22758860
Came here to say this.

[Anonymous No.22776030]

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[Anonymous No.22776055]

>>22758048
Next time you go to sleep, pretend you'll never wake up again. Whether you feel fear or acceptence, note that the end result is the same.

[Anonymous No.22776093]

>>22758048
From my personal standpoint, the last moment you'll perceive will be drawn out for eternity.
Since you can not not perceive, you will forever be stuck in your last moment

[Anonymous No.22776650]

>>22776093
Why would perception continue, though?

[Anonymous No.22777358]

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