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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Wed Nov 22 05:21:30 2023 No.22744694 [Reply] [Original]

Bashrag.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 05:28:44 2023 No.22744712 first for zyzz

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 05:37:55 2023 No.22744727 >>22744712 First for pozzed tranny feminist homos

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 05:53:18 2023 No.22744758 Great start

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 06:09:40 2023 No.22744790 SON OF MEN HARK! FLEEEE THIS THREAD !!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 08:42:55 2023 No.22745087 excellent thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 08:45:47 2023 No.22745092 Recently discovered Bakkers post consult ama https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/6r3hba/unholy_consultation_r_scott_bakker_bares_the_soul/ Enjoyed him laughing off Kellhus baby theorists

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 08:49:14 2023 No.22745096 >>22744694 Anyone like Stephen Baxter? I used to be a uge fan, but he's had like 4 shit books in a row now. He never got back to form after writing the Long Earth series with Pratchett

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 08:56:43 2023 No.22745108 File: 37 KB, 276x475, dragon bro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone read this? I haven't yet, but the cover looks great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 09:41:22 2023 No.22745171 >>22745108 Looks gay desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 09:45:07 2023 No.22745174 File: 92 KB, 409x314, How to train your dragon .jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone read this, and is it good? Apparently, the books are more brutal than the movies even though it's a children's book series.

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 11:05:00 2023 No.22745294
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>>22744694
Finished Neuromancer and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Now I'm onto Count Zero. I'm probably going to read Mona Lisa Overdrive after CZ, but do you guys recommend the short stories from Burning Chrome or should I look elsewhere? I'm hooked on cyberpunk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 11:26:24 2023 No.22745319 I have an exclusive story on my blog, check it out. Theres not much of a plot, but Ive read it like 10 times cuz its awesome. https://sfss.space/o2-day-2023-misha-burnett

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 12:21:15 2023 No.22745394
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/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 12:23:34 2023 No.22745397
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/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 12:42:02 2023 No.22745435 >>22744712 how can you post this when zyzz is dead????

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:07:11 2023 No.22745484 File: 49 KB, 311x404, 39892810.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:45:49 2023 No.22745544 File: 32 KB, 231x341, MaroonedInRealtime(1stEd).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here is your actual thread recca

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 14:11:18 2023 No.22745618 read stormlight archive

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 14:35:32 2023 No.22745660 >>22745618 What are the upsides of doing so? What are the strengths of the series that I can look forward to if I decide to read it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 14:46:00 2023 No.22745689 File: 249 KB, 707x1000, 91u9zXeqDRL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dropped. I can't take it anymore. This book is proof that all the world building in the world can't save a book if the writing is shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 15:47:34 2023 No.22745837 >>22745294 Burning Chrome is great, if you're interested in cyberpunk the story The Gernsback Continuum is a good look at what the genre is about without being cyberpunk in itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:18:36 2023 No.22745935 >>22745660 Thousands of pages of admittedly kinda fun popcorn entertainment. The prose is really bad though, even for genre fiction. It's 2010s YA-tier even though it's marketed to adults.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:20:42 2023 No.22745942 >>22745660 character kino

None !SFFG.n1h7M Wed Nov 22 16:23:42 2023 No.22745951
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>>22744694
The Dark Forest, Rememberance of Earth's Past #2 (2008/2014)

The Dark Forest is primarily about ideas, as science fiction tends to be. The plot, characters, and whatever else matter, though mostly in what role they play in the elaboration of the ideas. Some of the the main ideas are survival at any cost, great man theory, dark forest hypothesis, and the difficulties involved with informational transparency when confronting an enemy. Many of these ideas are presented through the interplay between the Wallfacers and the Wallbreakers who oppose each other. Personally, I found it to be silly in that it seemed to be more for dramatic purposes than practical. Though, anything involving the ETO was garbage, as it was in the first book. There's also what people seem to call the tulpa part, but I think it was more a commentary on weltschmerz, contemporary literature, and the writing process than anything else, especially considering what later happens.

The first 60% of the book took place in more-or-less present day while the latter 40% was centuries later. The former was fine, though I preferred the latter because its presentation of the future within the technological restrictions and how society progressed during that time. Ideology is important to this book and unlike many other SF novels, their ideology evolved more over time than their technology. I believe these restrictions served a dual overt and covert purposes. They allow for a more plausible future because it's only, what if now only more developed, and without any surprises. It also places greater emphasis on non-technological changes. Perhaps less obviously it shows the effect that stagnation of theoretical science has on society as well as what wrong lessons may be learned due to ideological laxity.

What bothered me most in this book in particular was the way that it was presented as being serious, except when some moral lesson was expressed in which case everything was subordinated to that. Unfortunately, this happened a lot. Many characters, and a lot of the absolute idiocy, seemed to exist only to demonstrate to the reader why the character's way was a form of wrong thinking and then the character and/or reader were lectured on proper behavior. However, oftentimes that's only at face value. Some characters may lecture on about whether something is good or correct, but what seemed to be more important were the results and their implications. This can be especially seen when comparing the differences of the four plans, particularly their results and what the actual problem was with them.

This second book was better and I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It still had many problems that greatly annoyed and irritated me, though not anywhere to the degree of intensity I felt when reading the first book. Since I've now read the second book I may as well read the third book eventually. That's when I'll decide if the series was worthwhile.

Rating: 3.5/5

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:26:06 2023 No.22745963 >>22745951 Your reviews aren't very good. Please go away.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:27:14 2023 No.22745967 >>22745951 Your reviews are incredible. Please never leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:27:52 2023 No.22745969 >>22745951 Your reviews are 5/10. Please stay or leave, as you please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:27:57 2023 No.22745970 any fantasy with unrecognised hero trope?

>>	None !SFFG.n1h7M Wed Nov 22 16:30:14 2023 No.22745976 >>22745951 Cixin Liu So goes forgetting to put stuff from time to time when doing other things. This was a winner's chosen book for me to read from A Contest of Ratings. The next book, the 6th, will be the last of those.

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 17:00:52 2023 No.22746070

>>22745294
I'd recommend Virtual Light, Idoru, All Tomorrow's Parties as well.
Other books that might interest you are:
>Dr. Adder / Jeter
>Snowcrash / Stephenson
>Altered Carbon / Morgan
>Cyberpunk: Stories of Hardware, Software, Wetware, Revolution, and Evolution (if you liek short stories, some of them are shit but some are really good)
And definitely read Burning Chrome, usually I read it before the Sprawl trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 17:51:44 2023 No.22746244 What sff authors have the best collections of short stories?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 18:14:06 2023 No.22746282 >>22746244 Ted Chiang is the best short fiction writer in history. Other than that just grab Gardner Dozois curated "best" anthologies and figure out which authors you enjoy, skip the stuff that triggers you

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 18:24:20 2023 No.22746303 >>22746282 >Chang I'll pass, Xi

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 18:30:26 2023 No.22746331 >>22746303 Dude's more American and whiter than you'll ever be kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:17:58 2023 No.22746462 >>22745174 you must 18 or older to post here

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:31:17 2023 No.22746500 >>22744694 Is libgen down?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:41:11 2023 No.22746525 >>22746500 your cock is down

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:43:09 2023 No.22746530 File: 90 KB, 770x1100, A Cat is Fine too.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is it when I'm reading beware of Chicken, I feel that the cat girl is going to get raped by the strong cultivator men?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:43:12 2023 No.22746531 >>22746500 Depends on which fork you're using and which ISP/country. It's simpler just to use Anna's Archive these days if it's not something brand new since it aggregates them and makes it easier to download.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 19:44:19 2023 No.22746535 >>22746530 Because you want it to happen

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 22:06:54 2023 No.22747002 >>22745970 Do you mean a person who does heroic things but never gets credit for them, or a guy that nobody believes is the legendary hero?

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 22:16:40 2023 No.22747025 [SPOILER]

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on the last Wheel of Time book, Galad is scuttling around the battlefield with his little murderball of Children of the Light, bum rushing and hacking enemy channelers to death and his men are having the time of their life. I love this shit.

Also Gawyn just died....pic related.

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 22:31:42 2023 No.22747086 [SPOILER]

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>starts a war that kills nearly a hundred million
>personally kills and starves 10 million civilians to death
>gets away with it, without so much as a slap on the wrist from the wronged party
How does he do it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 22:37:08 2023 No.22747098 >>22747086 >gets away with it Im assuming you're referring to The Rim here, if so did you not read the sequel Tri(Quad)rilogy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 23:16:21 2023 No.22747206 File: 152 KB, 861x804, 1700252731553407.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22747086 >YAslop

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 23:32:13 2023 No.22747250 File: 64 KB, 214x258, 1700695855399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22747206 >he fell for the YA tag ngmi

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 23:35:04 2023 No.22747260 Any good science fiction books that have/and/or include: genetic engineering, mutants, bio-mechanical weapons, cloning and such?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 23:51:28 2023 No.22747311 >>22746282 Thanks for the rec anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 00:22:24 2023 No.22747417 >>22747025 Commit violence against women, it's the morally correct thing to do.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:18:30 2023 No.22747583

Can someone recommend me a good adult Sci Fi written post 2005? Something actually good.

All the recommendations I ever see are either written by some old autist in the 1950s who couldn't fathom anything more complicated than a typewriter or something written like 3 months ago by an absolute basedlord numale retard and 80% of it is just teenagers too nervous to hold a girls hand

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:23:10 2023 No.22747598 >>22747583 The Expanse is one of my favorites to come out of the last several years, plus it's fully complete with a multiple novellas as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:29:31 2023 No.22747615 File: 25 KB, 318x475, botns.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22747260 Wolfe king.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:34:20 2023 No.22747643 File: 1.01 MB, 950x3797, Sffranked.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I ranked every scifi and fantasy book I've read over the years

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:36:51 2023 No.22747657 dude! star wars!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:42:15 2023 No.22747675 >>22747643 I think your taste is very questionable, but I respect the autism required to rank everything you've read. I sure as fuck don't have the patience for that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:44:44 2023 No.22747683 >>22747260 Cyteen >>22747583 The Jenny Casey Trilogy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:46:04 2023 No.22747685 >>22747675 I don't see why anyone would do so in that format when Goodreads and other sites exist as well as spreadsheets. An image format doesn't update or scale well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:46:21 2023 No.22747687 >>22747615 BUTHAVEYOU READ VANCEASHTONSMITHHOWARD?!?!?!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:48:03 2023 No.22747690 Read the dread empire

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:48:30 2023 No.22747692 >>22746462 Too tough for children's books, huh big boy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:49:12 2023 No.22747694 >>22747086 YA plot armor

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:51:26 2023 No.22747700

>last
>current
>next

>A Scanner Darkly
Many interesting comments from the man himself: https://philipdick.com/mirror/websites/pkdweb/A%20SCANNER%20DARKLY.HTM
>Martial World: Samsara of Life and Death / Frieren / reread of BLAME!
I didn't expect the MC of a cultivation novel to get dateraped and experience a (recently foreshadowed) fall from grace but of course Lin Ming has reincarnated several times and is now back to fucking up Saints at the Asura trial.
>probably the next Martial World book since I nearing the finish line

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:51:52 2023 No.22747702 >>22747683 >Cyteen Was thinking about making this rec but I don't believe this general is capable of coming to terms with Cyteen. It's a challenging read even if you don't get hard-filtered by male clone twincest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:53:24 2023 No.22747708 >>22745689 you HAVE to read all japanese fantasy as if its an anime. or you wont make it through any of them.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:56:39 2023 No.22747722

>>22747583
I could give you random recs and stuff I've enjoyed, but that would be rather miss than hit I think. You need to say more. SF encompasses a lot. What are your dealbreakers? What destroys your enjoyment? What specifically makes it so difficult for you find something you like?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 02:58:57 2023 No.22747887 File: 738 KB, 913x1200, R_Scott_Bakker_3_240409.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mutilating the human body is evil uh... based?

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>>22747722
Too many POVs and sort of vague descriptions make my ADD tard brain loose interest fast, but generally it seems like the only descriptive, detailed stories told from a single perspective are done from a teenager who's some kind of chosen one that defeats every obstacle arbitrarily. Then the flipside ends up being that the book doesn't have those pitfalls but because it was written so long ago there are no specific references or descriptions to technology of any kind, unless it's some kind of esoteric contraption with no real basis in the development of technology as we know it.

I know I'll catch shade for this, but this dogshit almost does it. I fucking hate Bryce, he's a toxic neolib shitter who milks his books on reddit and patreon for years and he writes like a fucking child about childish shit... but this story is interesting, at least as a concept. Its got action, its militaristic, it has technology that is advanced and fantastical but not too alien or difficult to understand, its relatable, but of course its from some cringe teen perspective. Like I wish I could go back in time, murder the s-o-y sucking fag author and give his concept to a better author.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 03:45:36 2023 No.22747999 >genuinely recommending babbys first shounen read more manga watch more anime read more older books do not give book recommendations at any time in the future probably star wars fag

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 03:51:49 2023 No.22748019 >didn't actually read the post or reference any argument >liking anime Weaboos are always a detriment to society

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:00:01 2023 No.22748041 >newfag sperg about "weaboos" sasuga

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:05:59 2023 No.22748058 >spergs about babbys first shonen despite the entire post shitting on it and not recommending it and mentions murdering the author >spergs about sperging an hero

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:09:17 2023 No.22748060 >>22747643 >primarily Star Wars >Legacy of the Force books or New Jedi Order ngmi

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:23:42 2023 No.22748076 >>22747002 >a person who does heroic things but never gets credit for them this

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:24:40 2023 No.22748078 Here we go again

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:31:19 2023 No.22748088 >>22747999 >>22748019 >>22748041 >>22748058 >>22748078 Looks like you guys forgot to reply to each other. Remember to click the post number next time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 04:34:36 2023 No.22748098 >>22748088 He did it as some fag statement about not giving (You)s because he's terminally on 4chan as a replacement for being a social media drone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 05:03:31 2023 No.22748166 /sffg/ consensus on Philip Dick?

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 05:05:22 2023 No.22748170
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>>22747708
That's just the thing, I used to be a huge animefag and thought that would help get me through it, but alas. It's that bad. The beginning has a certain autistic charm to it, but it wears off when you find out the retardation is a feature. The incessant repeating of things already established, the twists of which there are no clues, and everything is explained after the fact, the cheesy battles, etc. Even if it were made into an anime with several seasons the only reason to watch it would be for the Madhouse animation. As it stands now the only way I might get back into it is through the manga. At least with that there's more eye candy, and less "writing."

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:31:47 2023 No.22748335 Are any of the Warhammer 40k books any good? Co-worker keeps bothering me about 40k stuff and I have enough time at work to read something if there are any good recommendations.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:37:12 2023 No.22748343 >>22748335 'Xenos: Eisenhorn' by Dan Abnett is the only one I've read, and it was pretty damn kino desu. When I have the time I will be picking up the second book in the series.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:53:09 2023 No.22748363

>>22748335
Eisenhorn is good, its follows the story of an inquisitor. You can try getting into Horus Heresy but you will either be the 98% of people who think its droll dumb boring and all over the place or you'll be the 2% that obsess themselves with it. The rest are a little hard to follow and don't endear themselves to a new reader.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:53:55 2023 No.22748366

>>22748335
>>22748343
All of Eisenhorn and its spin-off series are pretty great, Gaunt’s Ghost series is good, anything by Aaron Dembski-Bowden is bound to be fantastic. Also special shout-out to The Infinite & The Divine, basically 2 immortal robot aristocrats quarreling over a period of a couple hundred years, played as a comedy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 07:50:43 2023 No.22748468 Flat Earth series by Lee: actually good or smutty nonsense written by a woman?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 07:54:37 2023 No.22748478 >>22748335 read skaven books instead, and act smug about reading superior warhammer content to your co-worker

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 08:53:51 2023 No.22748584 >>22747583 Jack Glass by Adam Roberts

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>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 11:09:50 2023 No.22748810 How is the Hellinconia trilogy by Aldiss? I liked Hothouse, which was weird as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 12:04:40 2023 No.22748923 >>22745096 I read some of the Xeelee series (maybe only the 3rd book, that I remember) and I liked it but it was in my teenage years. Which ones would you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 12:36:45 2023 No.22748959 >>22748170 >animefag getting filtered by purple prose pulp Weak. What's the last CAS/Howard story you read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 12:49:12 2023 No.22748991 >>22745294 I'm reading Burning Chrome now. Every story is good apart from one, which is a steaming pile of dog shit. I'll let you be the judge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 13:23:38 2023 No.22749054 >>22745689 English translation is dry as fuck. Also, did you get D is very attractive and everyone wants to bang him yet?

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:05:49 2023 No.22749162

>>22748335
Eisenhorn and Ravenor are good but falls off and gets repetitive after a while in my opinion.

Watchers of the Throne and The Infinite and the Divine are the best 40k books that currently exist but they are more "advanced" reads that require more in-universe knowledge.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:17:12 2023 No.22749188

>>22745294
I really liked burning chrome, I liked some of the stories more than Neuromancer to be honest.

I still think about some of them everyday like the one about corporations staging scientist/executive heists where they steal other companies workers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:19:31 2023 No.22749191 >>22745544 Have you read other Vernor Vinge books? I've finished rainbows end and fire upon the deep and children of the sky oh and true names. You think this one is worth checking out?

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:25:34 2023 No.22749204

>>22747643
I think it'd be easy to make fun of your taste but I seriously respect making the chart and just being unabashed about your own taste.

Also, are any of the Halo books worth reading seriously? Also why the hell haven't you read the mass effect books with your taste?

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:29:47 2023 No.22749212
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>>22748335
Baneblade.
Written by a tank crewman and was read extensively by the normies I served with.

Niche, but a grounded story about guardsmen without any of the outlandish power creep that has become the norm in 40k.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:30:45 2023 No.22749215

>>22748166
I just posted in another thread about PKD but, go ahead and read electric sheep, ubik and all of his short story collections and hell give Valis a shot.

Electric sheep is awesome, felt like a directors cut of the movie but with some different plot points. (my first book by him)

Ubik was good up until the midway point (no spoilers), PKD has brain rot and when he starts writing past 100 pages he fucks up the story with sudden twists or ass-pulls (my second book by him, just go ahead and read it anyway cause it's worth it)

All of the short story collections are really good, PKD writes great and interesting short stories which are fun and quick.

I DNF'd Valis after like a couple chapters, just couldn't take the drug induced mania of PKD anymore. (go ahead and try and read it, you may like it to be fair).

Anyways, he's worth reading even if you don't like some of his stories like I did. Im glad I read them anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:39:44 2023 No.22749231 >>22749204 >the mass effect books eats your cereal

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 14:52:06 2023 No.22749259 >>22749191 Marooned and Deepness are his two best books imo. The others are a bit of a slog all around.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 15:00:21 2023 No.22749275

>>22748923
Not him but I am a Xeelee sequence lore sage. I have read more of the Xeelee sequence (30+ books/short stories) than anybody else on 4chan. Please tell me what you like in a story and I will attempt to recommend you something. I wish I had anywhere on the internet to discuss books at!

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>>22748959
>purple prose
lol you clearly haven't read that trash if you think this is the issue (which is only ever an issue if you have no soul). It's not purple, it's just shit. As far as CAS and REH goes, I read these two this year, and they were both great. Hoping to get the Centenary Edition and second volume for Christmas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 16:29:00 2023 No.22749510 why isn't L.E. Modesitt ever discussed here?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 16:34:09 2023 No.22749520 >>22749510 We don't read around here, just shitpost and sniping one another.

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I've read about 40% of the story and I am tired. There is too much drama and nothing is going on. You can read about 2 hours and it's going to be 2 hours of boring info dumps and then 15 minutes of action, as you can see it has the huge problems with pacing. The main character is stupid as fuck, he did not even try to get teachers to raise his skills when he is stuck and have a shitload of money to burn. Yeah the author said that magic is illegal to learn out of special institutions but I am sure as fuck it doesn't matter where you live you can always find an unscrupulous teacher who is ready to give all the secrets for money and power and learning how to wield a fucking gun or a sword is not illegal. His love life is the most boring shit I've ever seen it would be much better if the author decided to do nothing about it and just left it all behind the scenes. "O my friend is dead and my ass is burning throughout the story" is another piece of shit that you get tired pretty fast. I've seen death of close relatives and friends and it's something that gets easier and you live with it. Especially if you have 9 fucking months to get your shit together. The idea of getting Isekai'd in your own worlds is good. All this narrative shit and dm also is not the bad idea. Now MoL is a good shit and worth the kindle is 4/10. Now I am going further to gelve into web novels by reading shilled here retribution engine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 16:56:29 2023 No.22749590 1/3 into the Darkness That Comes Before and I'm convinced Bakker is an unironic pedo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:01:56 2023 No.22749603 >>22749212 Can this be read as a standalone? Do I need to be a lorefag to understand what's going on?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:20:09 2023 No.22749650 >>22749590 Definitely don't let the kid sleepover happen at his house. One doesn't write about child R as much as he does unless it's on the mind.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:24:49 2023 No.22749662

>>22749590
agree
>>22749580
tldr
>>22749510
i dont know who that is
>>22748810
i dont know i didnt read that
>>22748468
there's a demon who gay rapes a baby
>>22748335
i read half of one and it went between mediocre and cringe.
>>22748166
pkd is mid
>>22748058
i dont know what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:27:04 2023 No.22749669 >>22749650 It literally only happens in the prologue tho?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:33:06 2023 No.22749688 >>22749669 If you think that's all I've got some pomegranates to sell you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:46:34 2023 No.22749728 >>22749688 I like pomegranates

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:54:38 2023 No.22749749 File: 113 KB, 751x269, 00jter2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22749728

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 17:54:53 2023 No.22749750 >>22747583 The stuff from Richard K Morgan is pretty good, especially the one with Kovacs. Don't let the shitty Netflix adaptation fool you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:01:01 2023 No.22749763 >>22747700 What in the fuck he only got $3000 for A Scanner Darkly? desu I never actually informed myself about the money writers get for their manuscripts but even for 70's money that sounds like absolute shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:02:41 2023 No.22749767 >>22749750 Season one was pretty good

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:05:51 2023 No.22749775 >>22749767 Yeah on its own it's good but if you read the books afterwards your realize how even the first season was butchered. Sad that it's pretty great compared to most of the other cyberpunk movies/shows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:08:48 2023 No.22749779 >>22749750 Any thoughts on 'Thin Air' by Richard K Morgan? I've got it here from the library, but have quite a few books ahead of it to be read.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:16:39 2023 No.22749795 >>22749775 I normally dislike adaptations but this time I found tv series good (and not necessarily true to the source material) and actual book to be terrible. RK Morgan has some good ideas but he is just a terrible writer

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:19:16 2023 No.22749800

>>22749779
Have you read Thirteen/Black Man? They're both good, I liked the Kovacs stuff more but it's still worth a read imo, the world building is pretty interesting in both of them, Mars in Thin Air is pretty cool. It's not that deep but it entertains.
Sucks that the third book in the series might take a while though

https://www.richardkmorgan.com/2023/07/gone-but-not-forgotten/

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:33:44 2023 No.22749831

>>22749669
You didn't read past the prologue then. I'm less than 200 pages in and other than that, there's been the pomegranate kid and the emperor having been molested by his own mother. And then there's the vividly pederastic subtext between Achamian and Inrau. I expect more depictions and allusions to child rape and indulgent descriptions of soft faced boys with feminine lips to come.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:36:54 2023 No.22749840 >>22749831 >I expect more depictions and allusions to child rape and indulgent descriptions of soft faced boys with feminine lips to come. This never happens. And Achamian and Inrau's relationship is not pederastic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:45:05 2023 No.22749863 >>22749800 I have never read any Richard K Morgan, I'm planning on Altered Carbon eventually but saw 'Thin Air' in my local library so picked it up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:45:32 2023 No.22749865 >>22749510 I have, but it's almost always the same few series by the same very few "passionate" anons.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:55:12 2023 No.22749885

>>22749863
Ah, it's the second book in the series but I think you don't miss that much, my memory is pretty shit though so I could be wrong.
He's not a really great writer but if you like sci-fi/cyberpunk it's a must, there's not that much good stuff out there, especially modern stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 18:59:39 2023 No.22749896 >>22749840 >And Achamian and Inrau's relationship is not pederastic. Yeah he just platonically pines over his beauty and how the thought of him makes his heart sing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 19:53:25 2023 No.22750038 >>22748810 I only know The Eighty-Minute Hour, which is unfathomably based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:03:21 2023 No.22750071 >>22749896 NTA and yeah it did initially seem pretty fucking gay but if you read the whole series it becomes pretty clear Achamian doesn't actually fuck boys, he's just extremely melodramatic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:12:58 2023 No.22750095 >>22750071 I know it is never confirmed, but Bakker's choice of words when framing their relationship was pretty telling. >"They were... close."

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:14:52 2023 No.22750104
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Is there a single insane person in here that's read all 22 books in the Dragonriders of Pern series? I refuse to believe it's worth it, but I might read the first just to convince myself I'm not missing anything. This old cover is pretty kino.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:15:41 2023 No.22750107 >>22750104 >female author It's smut, isn't it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:18:33 2023 No.22750121 File: 113 KB, 481x612, photo_2022-02-11_19-25-37.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there one really based and red pilled book with no gay and cuck stuff?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:20:05 2023 No.22750126 >>22750121 Harry Potter and Eragon

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:20:44 2023 No.22750130 >>22750121 Read....The Cleansing of the Fane

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:25:01 2023 No.22750142 >>22750107 It's YA so probably not.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:47:07 2023 No.22750195

>>22749863
>>22749885
Thin Air is set in the same universe as Black Man, but it's so far in the future and the setting is so different that it's basically standalone.
The only reference to Black Man in Thin Air is literally 1 sentence iirc that you might not even realize you read

Thin Air is the better of the two imo.
If you like Altered Carbon you'll like it, Morgan only does one character

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:49:44 2023 No.22750206
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>>22748335
while I played the games, the Ciaphas Cain series was my proper intro to warhammer. It's a fun series where the main character is a yellowbellied piece of shit, but somehow still an absolute chad even as he tries to run away constantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:55:15 2023 No.22750222 >>22749054 Doris Lang is 17 years old btw. 17. She's 17. Seventeen. Have I told you she's 17 yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 20:56:10 2023 No.22750223 >>22748991 Thanks man. I'll look forward to reading it.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 23:13:19 2023 No.22750680

>>22750104

I've read maybe four pern books spread out over the series, though not recently. I don't know why you would read them all. McCaffrey is alright. Tower & Hive series is okay, crystal singer is interesting enough. It is all YA reading from a female perspective but it dodges many of the obvious pitfalls found in oughties garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 01:02:05 2023 No.22750915 >>22750121 The Worm Oroborous The Fortress Unvanquishable The Last Castle of Earth Emphyrio Araminta Station

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 01:17:46 2023 No.22750946 >>22747643 >star wars >halo go back

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:27:08 2023 No.22751131
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Prequel book not withstanding I'm done. I finished the Wheel of Time series. Took me about 10 months maybe? Bit more or bit less I forget, but I've finished it. I really enjoyed it but I get why some people don't like it, there's a lot of traveling with characters struggling to stay in one place for more than 5 minutes and some scenes feel like characters are talking for the sake of talking.

Still I enjoyed it. Plenty of cool moments and interesting characters. Lan, Matt, Logaine, Thom ect There's certainly stuff I wasn't a fan of, but plenty I did like. All in all happy with what I got though the ending with Rand I'm a little iffy on. He get's to live his life which I'm fine with, but he get's his arm back and I guess can just manipulate reality/the pattern now? Also all that build up for Padan Fane being this wild card and he dies 30 seconds after showing up. Still, I'm content with the ending.

To that one anon who told me to come back when I'm done in relation to Moghedian. I CAN SAVE HER, SHE'S ALIVE, THERE'S HOPE YET

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:43:09 2023 No.22751179

>>22751131
>To that one anon who told me to come back when I'm done in relation to Moghedian
That was me! Glad you liked the series. If Jordan had lived we were going to get a sequel series about Mat and Tuon going to Seanchan and Moggy likely would have played a big part. I like to think she would have been redeemed in the end.
Rand's pipe lighting will never be explained but it's believed that he can simply bend the pattern now since he can no longer channel nor is he ta'veren. He probably goes on to use it for completely mundane sheepherder shit and to check on his 6 kids
padan fain and the machin shin was the Pattern's backup for the Dark One in case Rand decided to kill the DO because people needed the choice to be good rather than having all evil eradicated. Once it was clear to the pattern that Rand wasn't going to kill the DO the pattern no longer needed fain. But yeah I agree his end was abrupt and poorly handled but perhaps that was the point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:43:29 2023 No.22751182 Swords Against bros, how the FUCK do you pronounce Fafhrd?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:46:50 2023 No.22751192 >>22751182 Rhymes with Gafhrd

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:50:38 2023 No.22751206 >>22751182 Faf-herd

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:59:50 2023 No.22751233 >>22751182 Faf-her-add.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 03:37:44 2023 No.22751317 I ate too much I can't read tonight this fucking sucks maybe audiobookfags are onto something

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 03:44:49 2023 No.22751332 >>22751182 Faf-erd

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 03:45:18 2023 No.22751335 >>22751317 Stop eating with your eyes

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 03:54:29 2023 No.22751353 >>22745096 Eh, The Long Earth was the only decent thing he's ever written...guess he needed Pratchett

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 03:55:37 2023 No.22751354 >>22751335 I finally called out my CHUD of a father for his bigoted statments at dinner and he beat me until both my eyes swelled shut

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:17:54 2023 No.22751400 >>22751354 holy BASED

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:29:39 2023 No.22751416 File: 157 KB, 1024x1024, 1700745621963064.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22751317 The narrator for the Fellowship has the best voice. It's like I'm listening to Mr. Santy Claus himself. >>22751354 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 05:43:00 2023 No.22751597 >>22749603 Most books are actually ok entry points because the characters themselves don't know about the entire universe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 06:09:01 2023 No.22751650 Just taught my faggot son a lesson about FBI crime statistics. Getting ready to settle in and read some Bakker now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:01:18 2023 No.22751748 are the dune sequels worth reading? i really liked dune but i've heard mixed things about the five other frank herbert books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:03:14 2023 No.22751756 >>22747583 Blindsight. It used to be shilled constantly on here but, on the off chance you're new, read it!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:09:16 2023 No.22751766 >>22750071 You realize the wizards were called "schoolmen" to make it obvious they're inspired by Oxbridge aristocrats right? The same aristocrats that are notoriously pederastic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:34:42 2023 No.22751806 File: 108 KB, 1024x1024, 3224.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22751317 If I'm listening audio books I'm going for those with good production like Graphic Audio.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:37:41 2023 No.22751812 >>22751756 Libgen is down so ill have to wait but this looks cool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:39:19 2023 No.22751815 >>22751748 yes. people tend to overlook the fact that later dune books are intentionally out there as they become weirder. I don't think they're LESSER, it's just that they follow the crazy that's happening in the story.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:44:20 2023 No.22751828

>>22751815
Same thing happened with Enders Game. Book 1 is about him learning to command spaceships
Book 2 is about pig aliens murdering a guy cause they love him and Ender has to go mediate for some reason?
Book 3 is about him and his cunt wife having a destroyed marriage and hating eachother passionately while his spoiled hateful kids try to dip into another dimension and magically create a virus that communicates with virus aliens?
I quit after that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:46:28 2023 No.22751837 Whats a good book thats primarily about fighting/melee combat? Sci fi or fantasy, doesn't matter

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 07:58:03 2023 No.22751866 File: 58 KB, 615x1000, 71JYTCX8GLL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22744694 >alternate history where Nazi Germany won Are there any good examples of this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 08:24:33 2023 No.22751902 >>22751866 Might find something here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_utopian_literature

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 08:37:32 2023 No.22751926 File: 49 KB, 828x817, smugfuckbased.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22751902

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:14:55 2023 No.22751978
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>>22751902
>Assemblywomen (391 BC) by Aristophanes
>Early piece of utopian satire. Aristophanes's play mocks Athenian democracy's excesses through the story of the Athenian women taking control of the government and instituting a proto-communist utopia.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:17:54 2023 No.22751980 >>22751978 Increases in women's political power are historically connected to the fall of civilizations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:06:09 2023 No.22752141 >>22751866 problem is everything with nazi germany tends to involve jews somehow

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:12:02 2023 No.22752154 are there any fantasy books that are one offs by authors that never wrote in the genre that aim for the same breadth of world building as most fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:14:44 2023 No.22752160 File: 950 KB, 224x336, me when women.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finished The Way of Kings The fuck do you retards mean it's shit? That was kino of the highest order

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:23:42 2023 No.22752177 >>22752160 It's very readable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:28:31 2023 No.22752189 >>22752160 it gets worse, longer, cringier and the payoff becomes less and less fun due to all the former. especially after book 2

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:30:14 2023 No.22752194

>>22749580
yeah after some point it just turned into depression dumping. i wouldnt mind these depressed authors if they kept their eyes on the price but they just have to write 400 chapters about how their life is meaningless instead of writing about guys with engineering bachelors and a tour in the military blowing up a 2000 year old lich to then NOT bang the 400 year old virgin elf.

The writing in Worth the Candle was decent and the whole premise is great but the author just couldnt help himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 12:24:00 2023 No.22752292 >>22752189 >Dumbass brainlet being intellectually dishonest Consider me shocked!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 12:24:52 2023 No.22752294 File: 42 KB, 736x733, 1681688931463541.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22752292

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 13:54:46 2023 No.22752495 >>22752160 This is what happens when you only listen to the few loud dissenters and contrarians rather than the consensus.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 14:00:27 2023 No.22752512 >>22752160 It's definitely one of the books of all time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 14:05:42 2023 No.22752518 >>22750195 >Morgan only does one character Yeah pretty much. If you like Kovacs, you'll like the other two

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 14:43:05 2023 No.22752593 I am depressed after reading everything in Jack Vance's Dying Earth series. I don't think I'll ever read anything as entertaining as Cugel's books again

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 15:11:13 2023 No.22752654 >>22752593 Try Songs of the Dying Earth, some of it feels very faithful to his style

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 15:31:28 2023 No.22752699 >>22751866 There is lots, man in the high castle by PKD for instance.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 15:49:59 2023 No.22752745
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>>22751179
>If Jordan had lived we were going to get a sequel series about Mat and Tuon going to Seanchan and Moggy likely would have played a big part. I like to think she would have been redeemed in the end.
FUCK man I'm really sad about that, I would have loved that, one of the things I liked most in this series was Tuon and Matt's relationship. They had fun chemistry unlike Perin and Faile. That sucks, especially because yeah Moggy would be out there somewhere. I really enjoyed all those segments where she was forced to be a servant and was just pissy the entire thing. Genuinely entertaining. Maybe there's hope for a sequel series at some point since Sanderson confirmed Lanfear isn't dead and has plans to do something with her in the future Hope for me yet..

As for Padan, I hadn't considered that it was a back up plan. I like that but at the same time I kind of also liked the idea he was just his own guy doing his own thing and was now kind of a big risk to everyone, both shadow and the light..

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 16:25:55 2023 No.22752837

>>22744694
At an oil painting Phil Resch halted, gazed intently. The painting showed a hairless, oppressed creature with a head like
an inverted pear, its hands clapped in horror to its ears, its mouth open in a vast, soundless scream. Twisted ripples of the creature’s torment, echoes of its cry, flooded out into the air surrounding it; the man or woman, whichever it was, had become contained by its own howl. It had covered its ears against its own sound. The creature stood on a bridge and no one else was present; the creature screamed in isolation. Cut off by — or despite — its outcry.

Where my dickchads at

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 16:33:31 2023 No.22752865 >book is named Gardens of the Moon >has no gardens of the moon well that book was okay. is malazan a series that gets better or worse as it goes on?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:09:35 2023 No.22753020 >>22752865 Better, though I liked GotM when I read it, two is excellent and one of my favorites I've read in the last few years, and three is shaping up to be really good too but I'm only 53% of the way through it according to my kindle.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:19:25 2023 No.22753056

>>22753020
gotm had some flaws you must admit
>you can introduce any Bullshit you want, 2/3 into the story, to be a plot device in the very same scene as long as you capitalize it (Otataral)
>also this guy randomly has a pouch of it that he's carried for years but it hasn't happened to come up until now.
>never mind the conflict between gods here's a new random cartoon evil guy. ah he got eaten by a tree. those trees are very important you know. let's all go home.
>lorn has the same character arc three times
>paran is the only protagonist but has major things happen to them that he doesn't understand, without consequence, that he doesn't seem to really care about. i guess he'll turn into a dog later or something. he seemed ambivalent about it.
>hairlock
>there were no gardens of the moon

but all in all it was enjoyable at least. i have no idea how this book got published.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:43:17 2023 No.22753141 What do we think about this series?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:44:41 2023 No.22753145 File: 155 KB, 1400x2132, the-dark-tower-vii-9780743254564_hr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22753141 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:51:43 2023 No.22753169 >>22753145 >stephen king It's bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 17:55:34 2023 No.22753182 File: 81 KB, 652x1000, url(19).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22753169 It's not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:07:46 2023 No.22753218 >>22753182 imagine putting daily mail quotes on your book

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:08:43 2023 No.22753220 >>22753141 >>22753145 Shite. Gemmell basically wrote his own Dark Tower trilogy which is better since it's stripped down to almost Sword & Sorcery levels.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:10:24 2023 No.22753227 >>22752865 Worse. Erikson is a typical canadian woke faggot and makes the series all about GRRL POWER as it goes along. He literally has a scene in one novel where all the GRRL POWER characters meet and brag about being GRRL POWER characters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:18:36 2023 No.22753244 >>22753227 >He literally has a scene in one novel where all the GRRL POWER characters meet and brag about being GRRL POWER characters. Where?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:28:40 2023 No.22753269 >>22753244 p. 325, seventh line.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 18:57:10 2023 No.22753339

>>22753145
Read this in high school. I enjoyed the first four books, however after the fourth one (I think) he had his wreck which severely changed the series and he takes it to pretty dumb places. Some examples...
> Includes himself as a character and even saves the party
> Includes a part where it is suggested that 9/11 happened because of some black magic orb the main characters had.
>Aggressively ties in with his other books to the point of absurdity. Very similar to how the MCU is.
>Introduces boring side plots and characters
>At the very end of the series Stephen King writes a chapter on why you shouldn't read the last chapter, and begs you not to.
One of the sad things is that despite all that, I think he ended the series in a satisfying way.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 19:56:36 2023 No.22753519

>>22751131
I've been reading the series for about as long myself, though I'm currently only on Knife of Dreams. I blazed through the first 7 but have gradually been slowing down; I'd chock it up to a mix of burn out and just being busy.
I'm trying to push through, and KoD is definitely a big step up from CoT in terms of things actually happening, but it is hard not to feel a little fatigued at this point. Do the last few entries do the slog justice?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:20:41 2023 No.22753611 >>22747692 again: you must be at least 18 to post here.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:48:25 2023 No.22753694

>>22752160
Way of Kings is great because it's focused on Kaladin. Every book after it has less and less Kaladin, and Sanderson forces Kaladin to keep retreading the same arc every book. It's supposedly tied to his development as a Radiant, but other Radiants are able to reach the same point in their own development without going through a fucking existential crisis before every new oath.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:49:50 2023 No.22753699 >>22751980 It is one of the major reasons for Sparta's decline.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:50:58 2023 No.22753704 >>22752865 Gardens of the Moon tends to not be very highly ranked among people who have finished the series. Book 2, Deadhouse Gates, though, is almost always ranked as #1 or in the top 3.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:53:31 2023 No.22753710 >>22753704 More like Outhouse Gates kek lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:54:28 2023 No.22753712 >>22753519 Not him but the last 3 books are the ones authored by Sanderson, and his main goal was to wrap things up so there's a definite feeling of the pace being picked up and lots of loose ends being tied off in those books.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:54:44 2023 No.22753715

>>22753519
I'm not a good judge on these sort of things, I won't lie, I'll eat up most shit put in front of me unless it's REALLY bad. I'm going to say yeah it does get better (though if I recall rightly nothing happens in book 10 until the last few chapters) The Matt parts are the standout stuff though. A lot of the books have other POV and it feels like Rand gets ignored and overlooked a lot of the time in place of everyone else.

The last book is a bit hectic with the last battle kind of just suddenly happening with very little build up. (There's build up but it feels it goes from people preparing for it to it suddenly just being like 'oh yeah last battle has begun now)

All in all, I stay stick with it if you can. Rand and Perin are a little boring, but Matt and a lot of other side characters are golden.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:57:30 2023 No.22753721 File: 401 KB, 3518x1500, 1610005809573.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22747025 Galad is one of the best characters in the series.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 20:57:49 2023 No.22753723

>>22753519
The Gathering Storm, Sanderson's first book is the worst of the three but still good. The bad parts are clearly Sanderson finding his footing, and the great parts are what Jordan had written before he died. After the last chapter I promise you won't be thinking of the slow books at all and you'll be all in to dive into the next.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:03:53 2023 No.22753733 >>22753721 When I first started off Gawyn was my favourite character but after a certain point (you know where) I hated him and came to understand how being so auttistically noble made Galad one of the biggest chads in the series

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:08:15 2023 No.22753747
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>>22751131
Did you manage to untangle the knot of Rand's royal connections? Granted there's a couple exposition scenes where the lay a lot of it out, but making the full connection isn't ever done in the books.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:08:43 2023 No.22753750

>>22753733
That being said, I didn't like how he and Berelain suddenly fell in love at first sight. For her, because she was the cold calculating seductress, I figured she wouldn't just swoon like that over a pretty face, and I figured Galad would literally be 'honor and goals above hoes' mentality. He might find her beautiful, but he seems like the kind of guy who would focus more on duty than her because of how important it is. It felt a bit forced to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:13:31 2023 No.22753768 >>22753747 I had the reveal of him being Galad's brother spoiled sadly, but I figured out how he was related. I managed to figure it out from those scenes, it felt pretty clear when they explained it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:13:34 2023 No.22753769 >>22753750 When in doubt, they got ta'veren'd. Also Min foresaw the two of them. Shit was fate. The Pattern wanted those two hotties to bang and that was that.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:18:54 2023 No.22753792

>>22753768
The full family tree though is extremely weird, because you have a married couple splitting up, each of them remarrying, and then their children from their second marriages wind up getting together later.

It's not incest either legally or biologically, but it feels weirdly close.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:19:34 2023 No.22753798 >>22753769 >Also Min foresaw the two of them Oh she did? When was this? It must have been really early then while she was still at the tower.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:20:40 2023 No.22753801 >>22753792 Hence Rand having his little incest freak out and having to check to make sure. I thought that scene was hilarious.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:23:32 2023 No.22753811

>>22753798
No I think it was when she met Berelain for the first time. She sees the flash of a white cloak or something like that. It was one of the many of Min's viewings that are not immediately explained but by the end of the series (or on a reread) you go "Oh! So that's what that was"
Also Jordan had a great laugh foreshadowing Rand losing an arm quite a few times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:25:30 2023 No.22753818 >>22753811 The first book is actually chock full of foreshadowing on reread that you can't possibly have gotten the first time you read it. Min's viewings are probably the densest example of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:28:31 2023 No.22753823 /sffg/ actually discussing books wtf

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:40:15 2023 No.22753849

>>22753818
EotW in general is just so much better on a reread it's insane. Not that it wasn't a good book on its own, but being able to appreciate all the foreshadowing and also understanding the things you didn't the first time through because Rand didn't understand them, it really makes it a lot of fun. Jordan put so much thought into every scene and you can only really fully appreciate the early books after you've read all of them.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 21:44:52 2023 No.22753869

>>22752745
Neither Sanderson nor Robert Jordan's estate wants to write any more WoT books because he simply didn't leave enough notes for them to go on and they don't want to make up stories in Jordan's world. You'll have to wait for Harriet's wife to die and then whoever ends up with the rights will likely milk the IP for every cent he can get.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:01:58 2023 No.22753926

>>22751131
Are you me? The only difference is that I started in January and also read the prequel. I feel that Jordan made a mistake by killing Asmodean too soon, having him hang around Rand playing the harp and making witty commentary. Out of all the forsaken he seem the least malicious and without much cruelty. It would have been nice to see him side with Rand in full, in a self servicing matter in true but ultimately deciding that the DO winning wasn't an option for him any longer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:05:19 2023 No.22753934 >>22753926 Fuck you really ARE me, down liking Asmodean for the same reasons and lamenting his death. Huh, weird. I have found my kin

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:06:33 2023 No.22753941 >>22753823 Disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:07:46 2023 No.22753943 >>22752593 Michael Shea's sequel Quest for Simbilis is just as good. Klarkash Ton, one of Vance's inspirations has similar stories, but they lean more towards horror than humor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:19:35 2023 No.22753981 >>22753934 What's your next big series brother? I was planning on doing Malazan next year the same way I did WoT this year.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:20:25 2023 No.22753989

>>22753869
>You'll have to wait for Harriet's wife to die and then whoever ends up with the rights will likely milk the IP for every cent he can get.
A dark day that will be, if the Amazon TV show is a product of their stewardship and they are supposedly trying to preserve its legacy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:22:06 2023 No.22753994 >>22753981 >Malazan That one funnily enough. Gonna finish the prequal book and then move onto that. I've been taking recommendations from here if it ain't obvious.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:23:02 2023 No.22753998

>>22753849
Eye of the World is a very strange book all told. It can be a high hurdle for new readers to get over because it feels so derivative of Lord of the Rings, and even if that doesn't put you off and you push past it, it feels very different from the stuff that came after it, like it's own self-contained adventure not part of the Dragon Reborn stuff. And yet upon reading it after finishing the series, you realize how much it presaged everything in the next several novels.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:25:17 2023 No.22754004 >>22753994 >>22753981 Warms my heart to see other anons taking the same journey I did more than 10 years ago, diving into Wheel of Time and then Malazan. Feels like it's practically a predefined route for anybody who gets into big epic fantasy series.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:28:18 2023 No.22754011 >>22753750 They are made for each other. Each of them was utterly committed to their duty and ideals, each of them possessed ethereal beauty. Then they found one another.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:31:44 2023 No.22754018 >>22754004 If something is predefined then it ought to be avoided.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:33:37 2023 No.22754028 >>22754018 have fun starting every single bit of algebra you do by having to prove the rudiments of arithmetic, I guess

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:36:26 2023 No.22754040

>>22753056
I won't act like it's perfect but some of those from what I remember were either explained earlier in the book or setting up shit for the future books.
>Otataral
I think I remember it being said Lorn gets sent to deal with shit involving magic explicitly because she has Otataral (one of the reasons she's sent to Itko Kan in the first place), its just not explained what/why she's resistant to magic yet.
>treehouse
The stuff with Raest was kinda weird considering how it ended up panning out in the end but in retrospect it comes off as setting pieces up for the sequels.
>Lorn
I don't know I actually liked what Erikson was doing with Lorn's schism between Lorn the adjunct and Lorn the person. Granted it's not exactly an original character idea but I thought it was done well, particularly with her time with Tool but still going through with her duties.
>Paran
Part of me thinks that he's really supposed to be the stand in for the reader with how confused he is act basically everything lol, but basically all the interesting shit with Paran is gonna happen in the future from what I've read so far
>Hairlock
eh i thought he was an alright but pretty one dimensional, soul binding was neat and seeing him progressively get more rabid as he fucks around with chaos n shit was kinda cool, I would love to know what Shadowthrone is doing with him since I doubt he's dead after what he tried to do to one of his hounds
>no gardens of the moon
hey Apasalar says that line once to Crokus and that's clearly good enough to name the book after it lol, jokes aside im really not sure why its even called that. Deadhouse Gates and Memories of Ice, those names I get the relation to the book/story being told but not here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:37:27 2023 No.22754043 >>22754004 funny how i'm reading Malazan now but never touched Wheel of Time

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:40:17 2023 No.22754054
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I have just read the first 100 pages and it doesn't feel that good at all. Despite what everybody says (even the author), it reads like YA.
The main character has a quite high opinion of himself but nothing feels merited and it's all stupid thoughts - that could be alright, if it simulates his child mind and perhaps he grows up later?
But the promised "grim dark" elements don't really happen. Even though there is a lot of killing and mentions of rape and torture, none of that is descriptive at all. So what is supposed to be so good about this? Does it get better?

Something I enjoyed more was the First Law trilogy simply based on Glokta's cynical personality.
Here I have a child acting tough but that's it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:42:39 2023 No.22754063 >>22754054 Maybe you should try finishing the novel before offering insights on it? Unless you want me to spoil it by answering your questions. >Something I enjoyed more was the First Law trilogy Oh never mind, you don't have taste anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:43:11 2023 No.22754064 >>22754054 It's hilarious how you describe what the novel is doing and yet don't seem to understand it at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:48:40 2023 No.22754080 >>22754063 I will finish it. >>22754064 I just expected more, but hopefully it does get better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 22:59:32 2023 No.22754110 >>22754054 I don't know who your "everyone" is, but the consensus here is that it's edgy,cringy, badly-written YA.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:22:03 2023 No.22754176

>start reading a series; knowing it's not finished yet
>read all the books that have been written so far
>enjoy them
>next novel isn't even close to coming out yet
>gradually lose interest in continuing to read the series; even when a new book comes out
Anyone else this keeps happening to?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:24:38 2023 No.22754182 >>22754176 If it's that much of a problem for you then stop doing it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:25:20 2023 No.22754184 >>22754182 No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:25:23 2023 No.22754185 File: 74 KB, 710x720, happy comfy frog 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22754176 don't read anything that's not finished better yet, look up spoilers for books so you know they're worth reading

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:33:13 2023 No.22754209 >>22754176 manic episode

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:35:55 2023 No.22754216 >>22749510 If you don't write male-centered fantasy, you are irrelevant in /sffg/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:39:03 2023 No.22754219 >>22754216 why would I read something for women?

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:40:57 2023 No.22754230

>>22754176
All that means is that you were never all that interested in the series anyway. If you really liked it, you would want to read the next installment regardless of how long you'd have to wait. You're a victim of conflating recency bias with genuine interest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:43:00 2023 No.22754235 >>22754230 i was pretty interested in asoiaf for a few years but now that i'm sure it won't be finished i'm not interested. that's not unreasonable, you're just stupid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:44:07 2023 No.22754241 >>22754219 The A-level reading comprehension of /sffg/ strikes again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:52:14 2023 No.22754260 >>22754235 The anon I replied to said he'd lost interest even when a new book came out. Your situation is different from his, unless you are the same anon, then you're just an argumentative retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 23:56:35 2023 No.22754271 File: 67 KB, 1024x937, 1682840801671517.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22752160 They get shitter as they go. Rhythm of War is unreadable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 00:34:21 2023 No.22754381 >>22753182 Revival is the only book that gave me nightmares. And i'm a big tough boi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 00:50:00 2023 No.22754414 >>22754271 The next one will be the comeback bro trust the plan

Some books I read recently Sat Nov 25 01:03:24 2023 No.22754444
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>Justice of Kings – Richard Swan
Personification of Law, The Emperors Justice slowly loses faith in system whilst investigating corruption in the outer provinces. 8/10
>Tyranny of Faith – Richard Swan
The slow inevitable collapse of an Empire as the systems of governance are shown to be corrupt and ineffectual. But also now eldritch horrors and Chaos trappings. 7/10.
>The Shadow of the Gods – John Gwynne
Norse inspired world, dead Gods, politics, revenge. 9/10
>The Hunger of the Gods – John Gwynne
The same but more dead Gods. 8.5/10
>Firemane Saga – King of Ashes/Queen of Storms/Master of Furies – Raymond E Feist
After 40+ Pug books something different. First book was promising. Strong characters, interesting politics, ready to see a Prince inherit his kingdom. Next two books just devolved into slop with absolutely no interesting pay off on any of the plot threads. Feist couldn’t help himself bringing in his usual idea of cosmic entities and his multiverse. 4/10
>Sword of Kaigen – M.L. Wang
Magic swordfighting Ninjas train to defend the Empire of not Nippon. Only picked up because goodreads lol. Twist is the government is lying to them. Had some interesting ideas in amongst the weeb trash. Author used -sama -kun -san so much that they got twitter cancelled and gave up writing this series. (not a joke) 4/10
>Dark Matter – Blake Crouch
What if there were alternate realities and you got cucked by a smarter version of yourself that fucks your wife better than you can. That’s the whole plot, apparently that pussy so good that infinite versions of the MC are trying to get back to it and kill each other fighting for it. Should have spent more time being Sliders with less cucking. 5/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:09:43 2023 No.22754465 File: 118 KB, 371x353, 1682827000441528.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22754054 The Red Queens War trilogy and Ancestor Trilogy are better. Strange how edgy Lawrence started out compared to what he writes nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:09:51 2023 No.22754466 >>22754444 >Sword of Kaigen I dropped this by like the third page

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:17:43 2023 No.22754482 >>22754080 it doesn't get better, I don't know why those anons are doing this weird "all will be revealed ;^)" shtick

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:19:51 2023 No.22754486 >>22748335 Double Eagle is worth mentioning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:27:00 2023 No.22754513 >>22754444 >Author used -sama -kun -san so much that they got twitter cancelled and gave up writing this series. (not a joke) lol

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:28:50 2023 No.22754518

>>22754444
>After 40+ Pug books something different. First book was promising. Strong characters, interesting politics, ready to see a Prince inherit his kingdom. Next two books just devolved into slop with absolutely no interesting pay off on any of the plot threads. Feist couldn’t help himself bringing in his usual idea of cosmic entities and his multiverse. 4/10
My exact reaction to Firemane. Was hyped for a new setting, found the first book promising with what felt like a complete divergence from his usual fare with Midkemia and Pug, and then book 3 killed the last of my interest. I think I'm actually done with Feist as an author after this. I feel betrayed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:30:24 2023 No.22754528 >>22754444 But which of these aren't pozzed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:31:21 2023 No.22754534 >>22754444 I had a much more lukewarm reaction to Justice of Kings, so much so that I'm not in any hurry to read book 2. Konrad was an interesting character, but the narrator, his scribe / assistant, was insufferable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:34:04 2023 No.22754545 File: 205 KB, 317x475, 24531385.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Jesus the child brothel scene was cringe to read. What the fuck was he thinking?

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:35:44 2023 No.22754553

>>22754465
I think it's funny that he still has this "edgy" reputation built entirely off of the first book of his first trilogy, when the vast majority of everything he's written is a lot more uplifting and aimed at a younger audience. Book of the Ancestor feels very YA and isn't the least bit edgy. Red Queen's War felt like him trying to redeem his original trilogy by having a character that wasn't an angsty, psychopathic teenager be the main character.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:39:06 2023 No.22754568

>>22754080
Jorg is literally like 14 years old in the first book. Him being a shithead is pretty much expected. Considering the stuff he went through, him being extremely angst-ridden and violent isn't a surprise either.

That said, most of the praise I have for Broken Empire isn't really related to Jorg Ancrath, but everything around him.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:41:57 2023 No.22754578
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>>22754528
Don't think any of them are pozzed.
>>22754534
You mean how she is written as a confused girl falling in love with the first boy she meets? You probably won't like the plot point of how much she loves Konrad in the second book. The author does constantly allude to her tough past with out that seeming to come out in her character choices. Although that she has an arc at the end of the book 1.

But I still found the exploration of corruption, bureaucracy, religion and the mechanisms of government interesting along with Konrad/Dubine against the murder mystery plot.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:44:01 2023 No.22754585

>>22754271
is it really that bad? i stopped after oathbringer, i loved the dalinar stuff but having both Kaladin and Shallan going through the exact same character arc for the third fucking book in a row tried my patience too much i needed to take a break from the series

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:46:33 2023 No.22754591 >>22754545 >the child brothel scene Added to the reading list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 01:55:19 2023 No.22754613 File: 121 KB, 459x320, 1686735593701337.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22754585 Kaladin gets PTSD and cries about it for 1000 pages. Shallan keeps having schizophrenia.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:16:31 2023 No.22754667

>>22754444
I liked the series more after I finished Tyranny of Faith. I could be reading the 3rd book right now if I wanted. I'm considering it. I'll probably update my rating after reading the third book. I don't know if I'll read his other books though. Probably should have thought through what I wrote about the first book more

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:19:51 2023 No.22754678 >This ancient tree must be at least 1000 years old ! practices how to chop an axe on it for no reason

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:24:13 2023 No.22754691
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I'm at chapter 14 (pg 194 out of 342) of 'Ring World', curious to everyone's thoughts on it?

So far it's been slowww and lots of just traveling and very little satisfying action, like even when it should be getting excited (no spoilers) it just kinda, rolls slowly down a hill.

The book has built up a lot of mystery so far as to the origins of the ring world but am I going to have to read like 5 books in the series to get my answers?

I am going to finish it but dang, usually by halfway through a book it should be more captivating right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:28:11 2023 No.22754698 >>22754591 ditto

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:29:37 2023 No.22754701 Damn great ordeal bros.. kellhus really breaking proyas' buck on multiple levels huh

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:30:54 2023 No.22754706

>>22754578
>You mean how she is written as a confused girl falling in love with the first boy she meets?
That's part of it.
>The author does constantly allude to her tough past with out that seeming to come out in her character choices.
This though, is what I had issue with. The way she acts does not gel at all with her alleged history. It feels like she is a pretentious rich girl pretending like she came from the school of hard knocks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:31:18 2023 No.22754707 >>22754691 >reading cuck-fi Your own fault. Read more fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:39:27 2023 No.22754730 >>22754585 >i loved the dalinar stuff but having both Kaladin and Shallan going through the exact same character arc for the third fucking book in a row Well you missed out on them doing it for a fourth book in a row.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:40:21 2023 No.22754735

>>22754707
I have book 2 of the Witcher ready for pick-up and Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman from the library, I also had them order 'Shadow & Claw' by Gene Wolfe, 'Tales of the Dying Earth' by Jack Vance, and 'Tales of the Black Company' by Glen Cook.

I'm not really a fantasy reader yet but maybe soon. My only book so far has been the first Witcher book.

Any of these approved fantasy reading by you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:44:53 2023 No.22754752 >>22754735 >witcher no >kneel gayman no >botns yes >dying earth yes >tbc meh

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:44:54 2023 No.22754753 >>22754701 >great ordeal failed

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:48:33 2023 No.22754766

>>22754735
shadow & claw is the first half of a story, it doesn't really conclude there, if you stop in the middle you will probably not get much out of it
but botns is my favorite speculative fiction it's not actually fantasy ever
larry niven is a weird conservative who can't keep his politics out of his books, he thinks they're interesting enough to carry dull plots and he's wrong
gene wolfe was a weird catholic who can't keep his religion out of his books, but he makes interesting worlds and plots and keeps things happening - that is 1000x better to me

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 03:02:09 2023 No.22754803 File: 86 KB, 550x400, 1699650358780102.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22754667 >I could be reading the 3rd book right now if I wanted How's the future anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 03:03:46 2023 No.22754805 >>22754753 EXCELLENT post

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 03:45:51 2023 No.22754890 >>22754803 The future isn't required. I have access to advance reading copies. I've read, wrote, and posted about several already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 04:14:24 2023 No.22754942 >>22754803 GRRM still hasn't published anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 04:25:12 2023 No.22754966 Any series like the Dawn of War 3 trailer? Not necessarily 40k https://youtu.be/gN8geCTlZOo?si=3ZajRPHMIRdntxu6

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 06:44:48 2023 No.22755250
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>>22754553
His girl and the ice series which is a spin off set in the ancestor world is pure YA.

Magical girl with special world saving powers who has a 3 way love triangle including an immortal super robot.

Wonder what happened in between that and Jorg.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 06:58:18 2023 No.22755269

>write a short story
>realise halfway through that I basically just ripped off all the lore from the Agartha nation from Dominions/CoE
Should I keep writing or just totally bin it? I might just absorb it into my trpg campaign because nobody gives a fuck about plagiarism (accidental or otherwise) there

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:01:34 2023 No.22755273 i've had gormenghast sitting on my shelf for years. i think it's time i took a look inside.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:07:59 2023 No.22755286 >>22755273 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBhqDeryRA&t=0 One of the GOATs. Enjoy, anon. Make sure you read Boy in Darkness between the second and third novels. Then read Peake's widow's biography. Then finally read Titus Awakes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:13:47 2023 No.22755311 File: 184 KB, 987x1500, 81R4iaOe9EL._SL1500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22754966

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:20:23 2023 No.22755326 >>22755286 what the FUCK was his problem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:42:07 2023 No.22755377 File: 3.74 MB, 1792x1024, file-y1tAZbx0BLUUPUHm8oNYqVAB.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22755273

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 07:44:00 2023 No.22755382

>>22754691
Okay I finished 'Ring World', what a fucking ass-pull piece of shit ending. Fuck this book man. It was 300 pages of schlock then 20 pages of explanation, then 20 of quickly solving every problem.

(spoilers review)
this fucking guy sucks, basically there's a race of aliens called puppetters and they manipulated this cat species to be more docile instead of fierce warriors and they manipulated humans to have a lottery system for breeding, thus the puppetters bred humans to be lucky. That's the actual fucking story, the ring world is all an accessory to that. The ring world is cool and big, that's about it. This guy literally waited until the last 40 pages to explain or solve any of the fucking problems of the book. They take a journey of 4 people to the ring world and they brought one of the lucky human women, apparently the woman was controlling destiny with her luck and it caused them to get stranded there on the ring world but nobody realized it until 300 pages in. This felt like a Phillip K Dick twist from Ubik where it's just lame and fucking terrible.

3/5 book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:01:49 2023 No.22755419 Im fucking tired of hearing people complain about rape every single time I read discussion about Prince of Thorns. There is one single sentence about rape in the entire fucking book. Why do normalfags get so fucking mindbroken about this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:13:59 2023 No.22755446 File: 205 KB, 1024x1024, 1696989039477112.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22755273 But is it better than the BBC series?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:29:33 2023 No.22755486 >>22755326 madness

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:32:43 2023 No.22755494

So, what is the best way to read the Zimiamvian cycle by Eddison? From what I'm gathering from some light research is this order: 1) The Worm Ouroboros 2) The Menzentian Gate 3) A Fish Dinner in Memison terrible title and then finish with 4) Mistress of Mistresses

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:35:29 2023 No.22755499 Hello, I haven't touched this general in a year or two. Has Bakker written anything since TUC?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:38:01 2023 No.22755505 NO-GOD WHEN

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:39:39 2023 No.22755508 >>22755382 it's my favorite sci-fi book, thank you for giving it a try

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:41:13 2023 No.22755513 >>22755499 >>22755505 What's more likely to come out this decade: The first book of The No-God, or The Winds of Winter?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:41:56 2023 No.22755516 File: 87 KB, 1024x773, dbt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone know of an alt history story about an ai uprising back in the 80s or 90s? like terminator, man vs machine global war, but back in the cold war?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:50:46 2023 No.22755542 >>22755516 terminator was 1984. and, ironically, ask gpt. also your idea doesn’t matter, just write it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:51:52 2023 No.22755543 was the three body problem’s success a chinese psyop?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 08:56:08 2023 No.22755551 The Buck that Broke the World.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:02:52 2023 No.22755567 File: 48 KB, 592x716, 298277.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22755543 the west just found out that asia has writers as well i only really enjoyed the first book of the trilogy, but now i want to find more asian sci-fi any suggestions?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:12:51 2023 No.22755578 Has anybody read The Stone Dance of the Chameleons? GPT-sama just recommended it to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:14:06 2023 No.22755580 >>22755567 >the west just found out that asia has writers as well if they're anything like liu I don't want anything to do with them

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:15:43 2023 No.22755582 >>22755505 >>22755513 Well that answers my question, unfortunately. See you guys in another 6 months or so.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:47:40 2023 No.22755641
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Just finished The Blade Itself.

Overall it was great. I would classify it as sort of Sword and Sorcery type. I think it finds a very good balance between head bashing, mystery and political intrigue. The characters were good, although were a little one dimensional. In particular I think most of Jezal's arc was sort of boring filler and there is some forced pointless drama in some places. But otherwise I think the world is superb and a very interesting setting. Logan and Glokta are some well written greyish characters.

Now I debate whether to continue with Before They Are Hanged or stick to my rule of never reading follow up books in a series, because it will inevitably turn to shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:48:33 2023 No.22755643 >>22755641 all three books are pretty similar quality

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:54:41 2023 No.22755654 >>22755641 The first trilogy was pretty good, the stand alones that come after it are 10/10

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:54:52 2023 No.22755656

>>22755494
I would just go in publication order since his style probably develops in one direction or other over his decades of writing. That way you go along the grains so to speak.
But also, whenever I want Eddison to bring me to phantasmagorical nirvana I just reread The Worm Ouroboros, and have no need to read past that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:56:22 2023 No.22755657 Anyone read this series? I just finished the first book and I'm enjoying it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 09:57:40 2023 No.22755659 File: 93 KB, 734x1124, 35994830.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone read this series? I just finished the first book and I'm enjoying it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:02:28 2023 No.22755667 >>22755641 I can't even remember what the plot of First law was, besides finding some MacGuffin. The characters are stuck in my mind forever though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:11:50 2023 No.22755681 >>22755667 Same here. I only read the trilogy but if the standalones after that includes the same characters, I might have to read them too.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:20:01 2023 No.22755690

>>22755681
Some the more minor characters from the trilogy do play important roles in the standalones, the main ones don't appear as often though. I would say Best Served Cold is by far the best book he's written, it's 100% worth reading. The characters are still great and it had a much stronger, more focused story than the triology. Two of the major POV characters from this book became my favourites (Caul Shivers and Nicomo Cosca)

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:22:38 2023 No.22755697 >>22755690 >Best Served Cold is by far the best book he's written >much stronger, more focused story than the triology Ok, I am sold then. Thanks, I'm on it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:24:30 2023 No.22755698 Is Beneath Ceaseless Skies the best currently-published fantasy mag? It seems geared towards sword and sorcery, yes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:33:38 2023 No.22755706 >>22755698 nein https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=3966

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 10:47:55 2023 No.22755724 >>22755382 >>22754691 I don't even remember how far into the series you end up having to go to get the payoff, which is just some ayyyy playing 5d chess against itself. it's cool and well executed but not really worth the slog.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 11:12:01 2023 No.22755758 >>22755641 before they are hanged is good almost solely because of the Glotkino dagoska arc read it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 12:03:20 2023 No.22755814 >>22755659 romans conquer hawaii? what is this

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 14:32:12 2023 No.22756079

The biggest problem I have with this thread, and conversation in general, is how you're doomed to eternally repeat everything you've done without any known effect. It's like some some kind of mythologically punishment. It really decreases the desire to post. Eventually it becomes only the sadists who want to torture and the masochists who want to torture. That's a suitable arrangement for them though it leaves everyone else out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 14:34:00 2023 No.22756082 >>22754691 It's a fun adventure story, don't think too hard about it and try to ignore the bulk of Niven's cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 14:52:31 2023 No.22756119 >>22756079 Read Malazan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:01:48 2023 No.22756143 >>22756119 Mal (bad) a-z, an An a-z bad series

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:40:20 2023 No.22756239 when does mistborn get good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:47:35 2023 No.22756260 >>22756239 If you have to ask, it probably won't for you.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:49:32 2023 No.22756265

>>22755508
I was probably a bit harsh, it was a positive rating overall. If the story had a bit more action or more consequential writing I'd have liked it more.

Like, is it just me or does NONE of the combat/action feel like it matters at all? even when they get trapped in the police station by that point you just know they'll be fine, Teela will help them escape cause she's lucky or the tasp will solve the problem, and when Nassus gets his head cut off its almost immediately calmed when they plug him into his bicycle and he's in stasis.

I almost didn't finish the book was my biggest gripe I'd say, it was so slow and tedious I almost just looked up the summary or a video of it when I was at 250pgs. If it wasn't in the SF cannon and influenced Halo so much I'd have skipped it.

Have you read the others in the series? I hear that the next one 'Ringworld Engineers' is slightly better.

>>22755724
I'm not opposed to reading a series and the first book leaving me hanging or the like, but the book didn't even make me want to finish itself let alone pick up another one. There are some really cool ideas going and then the bacteria just eating the superconductor is pretty lame imo, it's not terrible but just like, okay fine I guess that solves it what a waste of my time. and the world itself is so massive there could be so many cool things but we don't really get any leads on other mysteries in the book.

>>22756082
I haven't read LOTR, but does it also have just like 300 pages of wandering (adventuring)? Because that was my impression by peoples comments.
I didn't actually cringe at much of anything, I guess people don't like how the women are wrote but meh, there was just a *bit* too much horny posting by Niven but idc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:50:07 2023 No.22756267 >>22756260 I want to like it because the magic system intrigues me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 16:17:38 2023 No.22756333 New >>22756330 >>22756330 >>22756330

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 16:29:31 2023 No.22756364

>>22756267
The further you go into the series the more the magic is used by society. Eventually it basically becomes technology. The last series, which is a a long time away, is far future science fiction with the same magic system. Well, and several others.

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