/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22732667]

What are the literary implications of Sam Hyde hating The Catcher in the Rye?

[Anonymous No.22732711]

>>22732667
He’s a phony

[Anonymous No.22732718]

>>22732667
Why does he hate it?

[Anonymous No.22732731]

>>22732667
>>22732718
this info is not very well known. Sam hyde is actually a john lennon super fan. and he just hates the book because lennons killer used that book as a defense

[Anonymous No.22732732]

>>22732718
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sZyzz4xktMo
Skip to 3:30

[Anonymous No.22732743]

>>22732718
>>22732732
guy clearly has no self-awareness left lol. big mark against him IMO.

[Anonymous No.22732754]

>>22732732
Not funny, not smart. Why do you faggots like him so much? I don’t get it

[Anonymous No.22732800]

>>22732743
https://youtube.com/shorts/z8yOMTph0Go?si=rFdDp0A5KQFlYOwr
This is the best take on israel palestine though

[Anonymous No.22732846]

This guy's annoying. Doesn't feel like he's developed any of this thoughts in any kind of interesting way. He relies on the intentionality prescribed to him by his audience, who wants to view him as being more prescient than he actually is. At the same time he gets to have his cake and eat it by chastising people for taking stuff "too seriously" whenever he gets called out for saying something retarded or undercooked.

Nick Rochefort is cool though.

[Anonymous No.22732848]

>>22732754
His confidence. Beta men fantasize about being like him.

[Anonymous No.22732864]

sam hyde reminds me of the guy that was in my friend group back in my 20s but this dude and this dude alone was well into his 30s still pretending to live the same lifestyle
he ended up grooming the youngest

[Anonymous No.22732874]

>>22732864
wtf i like sam hyde now?

[Anonymous No.22732882]

>>22732864
Are you mentally retarded?

[Anonymous No.22732894]

>>22732800
I like this one
https://youtu.be/CQ3lQgCvEGI

[Anonymous No.22732945]

>>22732718
He hated it because he thought Holden was a cry baby who was far from being a male role model

[Anonymous No.22732950]

>>22732864
Do you hang out with faggots or something?

[Anonymous No.22732963]

>>22732667
Holden rapes his sister Phoebe

[Anonymous No.22732964]

>>22732882
>>22732950
im like holden

[Anonymous No.22733024]

>>22732963
(and that's a good thing)

[Anonymous No.22733030]

>>22732731
>used it as a defense

Wtf! Was he representing himself? Who thought this was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.22733039]

>>22732667
I guess that makes him a fag. Is that a literary implication? I don't know this guy.

[Anonymous No.22733184]

>>22732667
What are the implications of him liking Philip K. Dick?

[Anonymous No.22733201]

>>22733184
He loves dick very much

[Anonymous No.22733205]

>>22732667
who doesn't hate catcher in the rye. it was a gay book about a gay kid whining really gayly. and I don't mean happy I mean homosexual. as an insult. no disrespect to our homo faggot brothers and sisters.

[Anonymous No.22733214]

What are the implications of him not liking DFW because he is a “sensitive guy”?

[Anonymous No.22733225]

>>22733205
He was mentally ill, man.

[Anonymous No.22733238]

>>22733225
so that's just a free pass?

[Anonymous No.22733299]

>>22732667
>in sams favor
He is absolutely correct in his orginal analysis of the book and why it is so harmful, and the larger cultural problem of which it is a part
>against sam
he takes his opinions seriously, yet unironically thinks gene wolfe is serious /lit/. obviously someone who takes the same position as those from the /sffg/ retard pits cant be taken all that seriously

[Anonymous No.22733321]

>>22733238
No, I'm saying that was the reason why, not "being gay" as you said.

[Anonymous No.22733328]

>>22733225
>He was mentally ill
this is redundant we already established that he was gay

[Anonymous No.22733378]

>>22733225
Homosexuals are mentally ill anon. It's ok to be mentally ill tho

[Anonymous No.22733454]

>>22732667
Sam Hyde? More like Minor Hide.

[Anonymous No.22733593]

>>22732667
Fucking NONE. Can't you go to any channel without bringing this guy into it and starting a thread?

[Anonymous No.22733745]

Sam Hyde doesn't grasp that Holden was a deliberately contradictory (and at times despicable) character because he was young and aimless, and was thus emblematic of that vital piece of youth where you're smart enough to grasp "something ought to be happening in my life!" but not yet mature nor seasoned enough to understand any of life's intricacies. To call Holden ignoble is a little callous, however, because his grumbling and kicking stones is all in the service of making the audience think about themselves and how they might be similar (or were once similar) to the character. I mean his name is fucking "Hold On, Caulfield" so the book isn't some manifesto nor similar take, it is the author crafting a personification of a very unique period in most peoples' lives. It is ultimately a good thing the Holden character (and this book) exists.

Sam in general seems to resent anyone who isn't on some kind of hyper-pragmatic soulless new-age grindset where everyone spills their blood at the altar of post-ironic cynicism. Living around boomers has given him some kind of brain damage, because he clearly believes worth as a person is determined by measures of success and numbers in a computer. I'd dismiss this as him merely playing a character who does those things (if this was the case I'd actually praise him; it's not dissimilar to Holden as I describe above) but he's been at it for too long and the benefits of such elaborate pretending would be lost upon his audience of teenage boys who, because they are in desperate need of a good role model, will simply take everything he says at face value.

He's not a very good comedian, producer, investor, salesman, commentator, life guru nor much of anything, so I guess trying to ruin the lives of a demographic already victimized by other facets of society (including larger facets of mass media) is the best he can do. At least it's in character, since Sam fucks 15 year old girls and punches them in the face.

[Anonymous No.22734265]

>>22733745
Tldr; im gay

[Anonymous No.22734273]

>>22732667
None. I'm still not sure why anyone likes the book at all.

[Anonymous No.22734291]

>>22732945
What the fuck kind of criticism is that? Am I supposed to hate Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar because assassinating Caesar was a bad idea?

[Anonymous No.22734299]

>>22732732
Why do people listen to this miserable asshole?

[Anonymous No.22734318]

>>22732848
What is it about women and faggots that love confidence so much? All of the most competent and talented people I've ever met were extremely humble.

[Anonymous No.22734458]

>>22734318
humility doesn't earn money

[Anonymous No.22734460]

>>22734458
So women and faggots only care about money?

[Anonymous No.22734475]

>>22734458
Yes it does.
Blustering around when you're incompetent gets people shitcanned more often than it gets them famous.

[Anonymous No.22734493]

Why should i care about this guy's opinion? He sounds and looks like a souless goblin. There's not interesting about his opinions, or "humour", or anything that comes out of that bug brain.

[Anonymous No.22734937]

>>22732732
>there was a guy who made a weepy video to some pretty boy about "what i could've been"
>sam traveled around the world a lot when younger
>admitted this in another video it was him who did this
This faggot is just nonstop projection.

[Anonymous No.22734974]

>Sam Hyde

[Anonymous No.22735888]

>>22734937
Wait, really? Sauce

[Anonymous No.22735940]

>>22732667
he's probably not a serial killer

[Anonymous No.22735985]

>>22734475
Confident people lead armies and nations. Humility anons are replaceable worker bees.

[Anonymous No.22736090]

>>22733214
It was funny hearing him say he would struggle to find commonality with DFW given they both have a history of abusing women.

[Anonymous No.22736089]

>>22735985
That's retarded, but if true explains why the world is such a shit show. All the wrong people are in charge.

[Anonymous No.22736401]

>no one else is as "real" as me
He's literally Holden. That's why he doesn't like it.
Not watching Scam Hyde's boring streams.

[Anonymous No.22736417]

>>22734493
He's 6'5 so more of an ogre than a goblin

[Anonymous No.22736420]

>>22736417
Isn't this a classic roid gut? Like Big Lenny?

[Anonymous No.22736471]

>>22732667
>falling for the long con
He wants you to believe he hates it and you fell right into his trap.

[Anonymous No.22736476]

>>22736420
No. It happens when you work your abs before losing weight.

[Anonymous No.22736482]

>>22736420
No lennys shit is from hgh and insulin not roids

[Anonymous No.22737695]

>>22736471
>le epic meta irony

[Anonymous No.22737766]

>>22732743
He doesn't just not have self-awareness, he actively and consciously limits how much self-awareness he has. This is obvious when you watch him long enough. He could be a very sensitive and self-aware guy if he wanted to, but he won't, because then he'd be like everybody else

[Anonymous No.22737770]

>>22733299
>yet unironically thinks gene wolfe is serious /lit
Explain why it isn't.

[Anonymous No.22737773]

He definitely seems more retarded since going from twink to monster.

[Anonymous No.22737796]

>>22732667
He likes Philip K. Dick who sucks, I don't care what people who aren't me read.

[Anonymous No.22737814]

>>22733745
Lovely post anon

[Anonymous No.22738181]

>>22736420
Early stage Lennyism.

[Anonymous No.22738344]

sam hyde is a fat retarded trust fund baby with terrible advice

[Anonymous No.22738392]

>>22732667
>eceleb thread

[Anonymous No.22738404]

>>22732800
haha they're acting like wiggers again xDDD

[Anonymous No.22738444]

Broken clocks can be right twice per day, but I think it’s totally nuts that tons of young men seek him out for advice with complete sincerity.

It’s less of a blemish against him though. I think, if anything, it speaks to just how bad things have gotten in our culture that young men don’t have other better immediate figures to seek out. They have no dads, no uncles, no older cousins or brothers, no professional mentors, no coaches, nobody that they’re wanting to go to for advice so they develop a parasocial relationship with a terminally online comedian because they have a sense he “gets” them since they like his shtick.

He’s a good comedian I guess, but the situation is really fucked up.

[Anonymous No.22738469]

>>22732667
>Sam Hyde
Does he hate a book or he don't like a book? if he hates a book, it is not a normal thing

[Anonymous No.22738491]

>>22738444
I like his take on debt and usury.

[Anonymous No.22738637]

>>22732667
He's right. It's a certified manchild classic.

[Anonymous No.22738648]

>>22732754
single children with big brother/school bully complex
and what >>22732848 said

[Anonymous No.22738918]

>>22733745
>Sam in general seems to resent anyone who isn't on some kind of hyper-pragmatic soulless new-age grindset where everyone spills their blood at the altar of post-ironic cynicism. Living around boomers has given him some kind of brain damage, because he clearly believes worth as a person is determined by measures of success and numbers in a computer. I'd dismiss this as him merely playing a character who does those things (if this was the case I'd actually praise him; it's not dissimilar to Holden as I describe above) but he's been at it for too long and the benefits of such elaborate pretending would be lost upon his audience of teenage boys who, because they are in desperate need of a good role model, will simply take everything he says at face value.
Making money off of youtube was either a major cause or continuation of this since your entire value there is measured by viewership metrics. Yet making ADHD-inducing clickbait ironically in still clickbait, begging for money from aimless guys half his age ironically is still pathetic, talking about wanting to buy rolexes and luxury cars ironically, etc. Ironically shielding everything in irony as a defense mechanism is more a Gen Z problem but Hyde embodies it.

[Anonymous No.22738933]

>>22738491
Like I said, broken clock right twice everyday still can’t tell time right

[Anonymous No.22739049]

>>22732743
What I find funny is that Nick, a pot smoking, nine drinking, ex coke-head A) has better self awareness but nonstop continuously stabs Sam. You can tell he's fucking pissed about losing the show 7 years later.

[Anonymous No.22739180]

The message of the book is universally agreeable tbqh. "Life is mostly shit, you just have to find one thing that makes it worth wading through all the bullshit." Holden never stops hating the graffiti, he never stops hating the vain and phony nature of most people, or their greed. He never reconciles with his English professor or sees eye to eye. He just realizes how much he loves Phoebe and how having her makes enduring all the shit worthwhile. His arc is almost definitely a "depressive episode" which is why he's whiny and hates everything but the logic applies to healthy people too

[Anonymous No.22739237]

>>22733745
The average teenage reader doesn't grasp Catcher in the Rye, and you know there and endemic of people reading well below grade level -- all of which why Sam, rightly, rages at, because teenagers almost always take away the wrong message from it that boo hoo growing up is hard and grownups are all phony, end thesis, and rent-seeking mouth-breathing teachers making impressionable youths read a such a book produces neurotic retards. Your literary critique isn't wrong but it's not applicable to le societa.

[Anonymous No.22739252]

>>22733745
The average teenage reader doesn't grasp Catcher in the Rye, and you know there's an endemic of people reading well below grade level -- all of which why Sam, rightly, rages at, because teenagers almost always take away the wrong message from it that boo hoo growing up is hard and grownups are all phony, end thesis, and rent-seeking mouth-breathing teachers making impressionable youths read a such a book produces neurotic retards. Your literary critique isn't wrong but it's not applicable to le societa. I hate to be a cynic but you're giving the proles far more credit than they deserve. People, including Sam's fans, need to hear that being productive and occupying your consciousness with fulfilling work is necessary. If you have no respect for the meta-energy that is money and work you will get taken advantage of somehow and suffer.

[Anonymous No.22739449]

I'm so tired of listening to this guy. He is so negative, he's basically Holden Caulfield if he didn't grow up. But ooo if he says that he hates Salinger's book so he can't be criticized for that.

He's such a fake, pretentious person. Always condescending to his audience and calling them losers. Without his fans he's a nobody yet he's always shouting them down like a douche.

Also people love to say that the book is bad. It's not a bad book, the main character is not some kind of role model. Normies love to say this because they hated reading it in school and they like to feel smart by exaggerating its badness. It's just dumb.

[Anonymous No.22739542]

>>22737766
I meant that he has no self-awareness in that he hates the sappy “reminiscing about younger innocence” and mocks that cringeworthy weirdo who had that pederast-like man crush from his university days… meanwhile all he does these days is hang out with young baby-faced men half his age as if that’s tooootally different. Those in glass houses.

[Anonymous No.22739578]

>>22739542
Is pointing out faggy shit throwing stones? If I have dumb patterns I notice in myself telling others how dumb they are is a good thing. People in glass houses have unique insights into issues related to living in glass houses.

[Anonymous No.22739588]

>>22733745
>guess trying to ruin the lives of a demographic already victimized by other facets of society

You mean extremely privileged and protected by billion dollar corporations?

[Anonymous No.22739650]

>>22739578
He’s even worse of a fag than the dude he criticized. Especially for the same reason. That’s the point.

[Anonymous No.22739660]

>>22739650
The original point was that the guy in the book is gay. That Sam Hyde is gayer doesn't change the point. That would be an "appeal to the man" fallacy or "ad hominem".

[Anonymous No.22739853]

>>22739660
Sam thinks he’s above the book. But he’s actually below it. He’s both “phony” and a faggot. That’s the whole point.

[Anonymous No.22739877]

>>22739853
Yes but he also makes some things which means he's above almost all internet critics and media consumers watching him. Someone who wrote a novel loved by millions is also above him in this sense.

[Anonymous No.22739912]

>>22739588
>protected by billion dollar corporations
Sorry, we’re not talk about blacks and trannies

[Anonymous No.22739919]

>>22739877
>Yes but he also makes some things which means he's above almost all internet critics and media consumers watching him.
He hates his audience yet relies on them handing over their hard-earned dollars so he could live well without having to work a real job. He’s beneath an ant in this sense. An ungrateful leech.

[Anonymous No.22740144]

>>22732846
Na dude, you simply just can't even say aloud a lot of the shit he would believe in, and still exist online and make money.

[Anonymous No.22740207]

>Fictional characters are instructions for living
>We subconsciously become characters in books we read
>Fictional media constitutes a "diet" and you have to purge your reading watching listening habits from media that will instill you with bad ideology
>DON'T enjoy Catcher in the Rye you'll become a teenager, you have to HATE it, you have to HATE Holden (he's real), You have to HATE JD Salinger (he's not dead), you have to HATE anyone being mind poisoned by this book. AHDS (ANTI HOLDEN DEATH SQUAD)
How did people get this way? Is advanced postmodernism considering all fiction to have actually happened?

[Anonymous No.22740232]

>>22739919
no that's a healthy type of disdain. if you got paid by people to serve them fast food, you'd be dependent on them but right to look down on them, wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.22740311]

>>22732945
Isn’t that the point of the book? I remember in high school this type of “analysis” about how Holden Calufield was a bad role model. Is he really supposed to be a role model?

[Anonymous No.22740338]

>>22740232
No, I wouldn't. I'd be wondering what the fuck is wrong with me, not what the fuck is wrong with them.

[Anonymous No.22740357]

No matter what the topic is, Sam Hyde is and always has been one of the most inarticulate rambling guys to ever talk his opinions online. Just try and follow him through these tangents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xaXT6NNgQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhL2J9-ZQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8uhcRK1QKU

[Anonymous No.22740362]

>>22732711
seconding this. he's a great big phony

[Anonymous No.22740375]

>>22740232
Not op, but I read this comment and physically cringed. He's an ungrateful sponge, take your fanboy glasses off. I've been a long time fan of his too, he's a douche

[Anonymous No.22740468]

>>22739252
Dude he straight up said the two most important people in his life are Jet and Chris. Chris can't even read superchats with basic words because he's an illiterate benzo addict.

[Anonymous No.22740573]

>>22732732
>Sam: d00d just stop being a fat loser and lift weights
>as Jet sits next to him
Also It's funny to think that Sam used to shit people like Jocko Willink when that's literally what he's become.

[Anonymous No.22740831]

>>22732667
He hates DFW and literature because his dad loves it and he hates his dad. Sad, low level of awareness, low karmic value to not forgive your parents and enjoy the wonders in life. Charls is a psycho I can get behind

[Anonymous No.22740941]

>>22735985
You can be confident and humble, you are not using the right words anon, semantics semantics...

[Anonymous No.22741094]

>>22739449
>. Always condescending to his audience and calling them losers. Without his fans he's a nobody yet he's always shouting them down like a douche.

its because his fans are losers and nearly 7 years after MDE got canceled he's sick of it. he doesnt like his loser fanbase of basement dwelling 4chan neckbeards with no goals besides shitposting and gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcssReRvQU

[Anonymous No.22741102]

>>22732667
This guy looks ugly and dysgenic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.22741134]

>>22740468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cwQGTysX9I
he does it at the end of this video lol

[Anonymous No.22741139]

I think Sam Hyde is cool and I wish he was my friend. My dad hasnt spoken to me in 15 years.

[Anonymous No.22741179]

>>22732667
makes him based, it's a fag book

[Anonymous No.22741182]

>>22732667
Nobody knows fuck all about life. Holden was totally right. This is a retarded world where people pay money to grifters like Sam Hyde.

You can judge from his aesthetics that he leans towards fantasy rather than realism. So no wonder he hates that,book because he hates like and hates realism.

[Anonymous No.22741354]

>>22732667
This will earn him the Nobel Prize in Literature.