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[Anonymous No.22709884]

>Virtually annihilates chivalric romances from public consciousness.
Do they really deserve it? Reading Amadis right now. Kinda basic but fun for such an old book.

[Anonymous No.22709890]

>>22709884
They were already old-fashioned by the time DQ came out. I don't think Cervantes could have predicted the book was going to have so profound an effect either.

[Anonymous No.22710928]

>>22709884
That book was funny and entertaining, he tried to fight a windmill lol

[Anonymous No.22710945]

>>22710928
>spoilers
Thanks a lot retard.

[Anonymous No.22710956]

>>22710945
>spoilers
Spoilers for a 400 year old novel. If you haven't read it by now. Don't browse this board

[Anonymous No.22710980]

>>22709884
when Cervantes wrote Don Quixote books of chivalry had already fallen out of fashion hundreds of years ago. No one was writing new works of chivalry. It would be like someone today saying sonnets made them go mad. Nobody writes sonnets anymore.
>>22710945
that happens in the 4th chapter of a 1,000 page book, Kermit.

[Anonymous No.22710989]

>>22710956
this is just another layer of sarcasm, right? Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.22711013]

>>22709890
Not the first Quixote, but the second one for sure he was aware that his work was a big deal, to the point he had to fight plagiarism.

>>22710980
Yes they were though, they were even writing some after Quixote.
These were the popular literature of the time, and why Cervantes went after them.

[Anonymous No.22711351]

Reminder anglos will never understand Don Quixote and germans have mental orgasms when they don't understand the novel goes against idealism.

[Anonymous No.22711358]

>>22711013
>These were the popular literature of the time, and why Cervantes went after them.
well not according to lectures Nabokov gave on Don Quixote. Unless you know something he didn't.

[Anonymous No.22711362]

>they still think this is against chivalric romances
absolutely bonkers. it's against idealism. Yes I am shilling Maestro kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7QU-3Badt0

[Anonymous No.22711376]

>>22711358
Nabokov got filtered by Quixote, he isn’t the best example.
In Cervantes’s time they even sent letters to the king asking not to send books of Chivalry to the Americas because the Indians would pick up funny ideas, and they were still smuggled.
They were very popular during the XVI century and you had all the humanists and Erasmians reeing at it

>>22711362
Based

[Anonymous No.22711392]

>>22711351
>the novel goes against idealism
That's the angloid interpretation though. Iberians think that Don Quixote is based because we aren't afraid to love life, even if that makes us look like fools.

[Anonymous No.22711474]

actually DQ is FOR idealism
he's a good guy and he's right and i aspire to be him

[Anonymous No.22711480]

>>22709884
Were chivalric romances the pulp/comic book tier stories of their day?

[Anonymous No.22711511]

>>22711480
>"Parzival was the equivalent of a best-seller in its age: no other 13th-century literary work was copied or quoted as often. Although some of the more educated authors of the time, e. g. Gottfried von Straßburg, the writer of the Middle High German Tristan, looked down on the "wild tale" (wilde maere)" this is about a 13th century poem

[Anonymous No.22711530]

>>22711480
Pretty much, with a few standouts here and there that are above the genre.
I had a professor who had specialized in Books of Chivalry and whenever he mentioned or talked about a lesser known one he'd always comment that it's a mediocre work, or not worth reading over the better ones, and stuff like that.

For a long time, in Spain, these books sustained printers. They'd print them in the Netherlands, where higher quality was common, to sell them for more in Spain.
The books themselves were made "in genre", large pages to look like a medieval manuscript, gothic lettering for the same reason and illustrations of knights and stuff.

There's a funny story fo a book, Cárcel de Amor, the editor who got his hands on it wanted it to sell and disguised it as a Chivalry book when it was something else entirely, and it sold really really well.

Amadis de Gaula sold thousands of copies, and was translated to nearly every language, where it also sold thousands of copies.

[Anonymous No.22711626]

>>22711392
>That's the angloid interpretation though.
mátate pero no irónicamente.
>(...) con esto cumplirás con tu cristiana profesión, aconsejando bien a quien mal te quiere, y yo quedaré satisfecho y ufano de haber sido el primero que gozó el fruto de sus escritos enteramente, como deseaba, pues no ha sido otro mi deseo que poner en aborrecimiento de los hombres las fingidas y disparatadas historias de los libros de caballerías, que por las de mi verdadero don Quijote van ya tropezando y han de caer del todo sin duda alguna». Vale.

FIN

[Anonymous No.22711633]

>>22711480
women loved them

[Anonymous No.22711658]

>mfw sancho does a poopy in his pants

[Anonymous No.22711695]

>>22709884
Modern "fantasy" genre is, in fact, ressurected chivalric romancy. Especially so called "dark fantasy", vice versa - "noble hero"/"grim avenger in cloak", "pure and innocent dames"/"treacherous whores".
Especially if you read Cervantes' counterpoints about how "slicing enemies in half with a big anim... uh, sword"or "incomprehencible monsters" are le bad.

[Anonymous No.22711712]

Also what's the deal with discussing a school program book, like, lmao, I read that shit years ago and it was nice, but people on this board praising it like is was philosophical kino? :l