/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22697481]

Scandinavian Edition.

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>Goodreads
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Previous >>22688429

[Anonymous No.22697491]

R. Scott Bakker?

KING

[Anonymous No.22697493]

BAKKER IS KING
>Arrows fletched in faraway Galeoth pocked the turf about him, but he didn’t move. More and more shafts feathered the ground as Agmundrmen began finding the drift and distance. Facing the Inrithi, the remote Sapatishah pulled a knife from his crimson girdle—and began paring his nails. Now the Fanim began to laugh and roar as well, beating their round shields with sun-flashing scimitars. The very earth seemed to shiver, so ferocious was the din. Two races, two faiths, willing hate and murder across the littered Battleplain. Then Skauras raised a hand, and the drums resumed their implacable throbbing. The Fanim began advancing along the entirety of their line. The Men of the Tusk fell silent, butted their pikes and squared their shields with those of their neighbours. It was beginning again. Trailing clouds of dust, the Kianene ponderously gathered speed. As though counting drumbeats, the forward ranks lowered their lances in unison, urged their horses to gallop. With a piercing cry, they threw themselves at the Inrithi, while mounted archers swept to either side, showering the Northmen with arrows. They came crashing in successive waves, deeper and more numerous than in the morning. Entire companies were sacrificed for mere lengths of earth. Here and there, against the Üsgalders of Galeoth, against the battered Cuärwishmen, the Nangaels and Warnutes of Ce Tydonn, the Kianene gained the crest of the ravine, pressed the iron men back. Pikes snapped, gouged faces, hooked harnesses. Curved scimitars cracked helms, snapped collarbones through iron mail. Maddened horses crashed through rank and shield. And just when the heathen’s numbers and momentum seemed to fail, more waves resolved from the dust, leaping through the ravine, pounding over the dead, lancing into the staggered footmen. There was no time for tactics, no time for prayer, only the desperate scramble to kill and live. At several points, the common line wavered, broke … Then, as though stepping out of the blinding sun, the Cishaurim revealed themselves.

[Anonymous No.22697508]

Just beat the fuck out of the Moon Lord. Recs, please.

[Anonymous No.22697510]

>>22697508
Play calamity mod

[Anonymous No.22697539]

>>22697491
>>22697493
PAOLINI is KING OF KINGS

[Anonymous No.22697540]

for me its discworld, peak comfy

[Anonymous No.22697549]

>>22697481
I wonder if Whales used to grow that big before the people of ole hunted them for blubber.

[Anonymous No.22697550]

>>22697493
MVRTAGH BTFOs KUCKHUS any day of the week. believe it

[Anonymous No.22697553]

>>22697540
I tried reading Discworld a while back but couldn't keep up with everything that was going on. Suddenly they're on a plane on earth, wtf is happening?

[Anonymous No.22697599]

Fantasy books are meant to be read. Scifi books are meant to be discussed.

[Anonymous No.22697614]

>>22697599
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.22697625]

>>22697599
Have a (You)

[Anonymous No.22697747]

>>22697553
I think you're confused, are you thinking of Ringworld or Riverworld or something? (I haven't read those so I wouldn't know)

[Anonymous No.22697928]

The schlock train continues.

[Anonymous No.22698001]

Got a bit over halfway through, but I had to drop it. Shit's way too long and repetitive. Real unfortunate, because there were some really amazing parts in it, and Renfield remains my favorite character. In fact, he's the only reason I feel any draw towards finishing it. Seriously could've been about half as long and been a real strong book. Even if unbeknownst to me the book magically gets better in the second half, it wouldn't matter because I've already been so exhausted by the first half.

[Anonymous No.22698022]

>no stats or progression
>no fighting or action
>no sets
>terrible archaic dialogue with zero cursing or emotion
>sleeping transportation to a new world
>random economic shit

This is the worst isekai I have ever read

[Anonymous No.22698084]

Anyone here ever read Sorokin?
Picrel is the best dystopian sci-fi novel I have ever read in my life by a massive margin. His worldbuilding is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.22698090]

>>22697553
that was an alternate reality rincewind, showing the different version of him, such as he'd be a scientist if he were in this universe

[Anonymous No.22698094]

>>22698022
the starfield of twain

[Anonymous No.22698132]

>>22698022
>>22698094
I actually think starfield is an interesting metacommentary on the idea of a protagonist in RPGs

[Anonymous No.22698340]

>>22698084
no but sounds very intriguing.. have a (You) and thanks for suggesting this

[Anonymous No.22698396]

>>22697539
>>22697550
>MFW after abandoning Eragon to write a FLOPPED sci fi snoozefest, PaoLAME-i is still copy pasting star wars plots 1:1 in his fantasy stories
>Um ackchyually the big bad wasn't the big bad teehee
>What if snoke but a witch who is more powerful than everyone else but also wasn't a thing in the last 4 books/hundreds of years
What a hack. Mur-GAG sissies stay losing, big time.

[Anonymous No.22698439]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22698445]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22698462]

>>22698340
It's my pleasure. I started reading this guy and became shocked that /lit/ is sleeping on him because he's fucking good. He's apparently written some harder sci-fi stuff but I've only read Oprichnik and a few of his short stories.
Another thing he does which I've been wanting more of in SFF is reject the morally grey meme and write protagonists who are just straight up vile people. The MC of Oprichnik is basically future slav Patrick Bateman.

[Anonymous No.22698470]

>>22698396
Not surprised this nepo baby faggot still hasn't learned to write after all these years. I bet I could get my Star Wars fanfic published too if my parents owned a publishing house.

[Anonymous No.22698475]

>>22697928
Just before Thor fired again, Kennedy murmured something that made my blood run cold. “That’s a Death Knight, Sarn’t.”
And I had a feeling this was not good at all. Death Knights did not seem like good things to meet out late in the night. And yet… here we were.

Oh shid they're about to take on a Death Knight.

[Anonymous No.22698509]

>>22698001
That's fair. The ending is weak as fuck too.

[Anonymous No.22698535]

>>22698475
I read most of the first book a while back, but i got bored by the overly lengthy action scene that weren't interesting. Does it get better?

[Anonymous No.22698536]

>>22698439

No matter how often you shill Simmons, hyperion will never be good.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22698555]

>>22697481
A Portrait in Shadow - Nicole Jarvis (2023)

A Portrait in Shadow is a historical fantasy novel that loosely follows the life of Artemisia Gentileschi, a renowned 17th century painter, who accomplished several firsts as a female painter. The first half is Artemisia at nineteen years old trying to establish herself in Florence. She paints, seeks out patrons, attempts to be accepted by the academy/guild of magical artists, and tries to earn enough to avoid literally being a starving artist. The latter half has a focus on romance, introspection, and conflict. This novel is about her daily life and the struggles she goes through. It's almost entirely character driven. As this is a fantasy novel, the few years of her life that are depicted are considerably different from what is thought to be known. These differences are explained to be because in this version of Earth, magic and mythical beasts exist.

Magic is either healing or necrotic. The passionate emotions that an artist imbues their art with determines its function. A work of art can either be bound to a single person or affect everyone in an area. The two most common healing properties are alleviating chronic ailments and life extension. As a result the wealthy and Vatican priests commonly live to be well over a hundred years old. Artists die young though because they must give away part of their soul for each magically imbued work of art they create. The more powerful the magic is, the more of their soul it costs. At the opposite end is necrotic magic, the most powerful of which caused the Black Plague. The Grave Age then followed where for centuries all artists were hunted down and killed out of fear that they would bring down more plagues upon the world. Even now, centuries after the Grave Age, any artist who is even accused of dabbling in the dark arts can lose their entire reputation and be tortured to death. The two most important beasts are the Griffon and the Blood Drake, which symbolize Good and Evil, and were nearly hunted to extinction in Europe during the Grave Age.

I read this because I'm reading a manga, Arte, that's inspired by the life of the same historical person. It's even further from her life, though that's because isn't meant to be her. I enjoyed this more than I thought I would. A lot of that is because I simply like how it's written. The romance of the latter half is a bit too saccharine and all the would-be sex scenes are fade to black, though I felt it did well enough. I'm conflicted about the purpose of changing so much and saying it's a different version of her rather than being an inspired character, but in this case I'll accept it. I had concerns about how meaningful the beasts and magic would be, but they're both organically integrated into the story in a pleasing way and matter a lot. There's also a considerable amount of sociological exploration concerning magic that I appreciated alongside the social commentary.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.22698567]

>>22698555
This concludes "A Contest of Ratings". The next six books will be the ones the winners chose for me to read.

[Anonymous No.22698579]

>>22698535
It's pretty much the same stuff in the second book so far, but different enemies and more of the world being revealed. I'm familiar with these writers though and knew beforehand they loooove writing long ass battles.

[Anonymous No.22698711]

Started going through Xanth, and it's the most fun I've had reading fantasy in a while. Sometimes slop is better.

[Anonymous No.22698730]

James S.A. Corey Announces a New Sci-Fi Trilogy

Fans can look forward to the arrival of The Mercy of Gods, a space opera trilogy “that sees humanity fighting for its survival in a war as old as the universe itself,” according to a press release from publisher Orbit. This book will kick off the Captive’s War trilogy, and it will be released August 6, 2024.

[Anonymous No.22698791]

how is Hamilton's Pandora's Star and the sequel? Pandora's Star is 25 cents at my library. and what the best way for me to get a gauge on what /sffg/ likes.. isn't there /sffg/ "rankings" somewhere?

[Anonymous No.22698823]

>>22698555
should I read this as reference for my magic shadow painting assassin guild progression fantasy I've failed to write in two nanos?

[Anonymous No.22698841]

>>22698791
You can look at what everyone has rated and written about a book by joining the Goodreads group in the OP. The bookshelf feature shows an overall of everything about a book at once. I also made a spreadsheet about the most the most read books and how they were rated. It's several years out of date though. Later this month I will be reading Pandora's Star and writing about it because it's one of the books one of the winners picked. If you want more details let me know.

[Anonymous No.22698844]

>>22698823
I don't think it'd have anything to do with that, but you certainly can.

[Anonymous No.22698873]

>>22697928
Thor gave his battle cry. It gave me courage. Daredevil kept working shots. Tagging the cyclops as fast as he could. As fast as they came in. I heard Autumn heave as something knocked her down. But she was up a second later, blood running down her face. Sword in both hands. Breathing heavily.
This is how it ends…
That’s what I was thinking when Vandahar shouted above the din of the last battle.
“Du skal stoppe, de døde krefter!”
Thou shall halt, forces of the dead.
“This far and no farther!” The wizard’s voice echoed over the battle as a sudden fireworks storm of flaming stars and shooting comets raced over our heads like an airstrike called in danger close. Waves of the zombie cyclops were flung in every direction as the ground rippled and shook. Some of our foes had burning holes torn straight through their lithe bodies. Burning rocks searing their ruined and rotting armor.
And then the dwarves came in, hacking with their savage battle axes as they gave their war cries, striking down the dead and pulling us out of there.

OH SHID THE DWARVES ARE HERE

[Anonymous No.22698920]

>>22698873
løl

[Anonymous No.22698922]

>>22698841
thanks - can you share the spreadsheet, even tho it's a bit out of date?

[Anonymous No.22699000]

>last
>current
>next

[Anonymous No.22699011]

>>22697493
>But the Cis-Whorim, in telling truth, were scarcely prepared to match blades with the dreaded paladins of Binglethorpe. Though they sprung forth from their point of ambush as swiftly as a striking snake, the paladins of Binglethorpe, in turn, did spring forth even spriniger than they, as if they were at once, both in strength and in spirit, like mongooses. Into the steaming mire of blood and tattered banners fell the (aforementioned faction), their helmed heads dropping first from whence they were lobbed and sundered free of their shoulders. Mth'brlithioroth, the famed captain of the Pteranodon Cavalry, looked down upon Lord Binglethorpe's devastating charge into the beating, blood-seeping heart of the enemy and keckled with equal measures of amusement, admiration, and arousal.
>"Valiant as ev'before, my brother," he whispered loud enough so the other Pteranodon Riders who were flying in formation spaced precisely fifty fifth-king strides apart could lend their ears to his musings.
>"Gorge now, my pretty," he then bellowed softly, extending upon his red myth'thuril lance a sack of Fiend Beans to the drooling maw of his mount, and bade his riders do the same.
>"Not a cloud in the sky, and yet...there shall be rain "

[Anonymous No.22699059]

>>22698536
I'm on the second book. It's ok.

[Anonymous No.22699121]

>>22699000
>Last
Till We Have Faces by CS Lewis, 6/6 stars
Retelling of the Roman Psyche and Cupid myth told from the perspective of one of Psyche's sisters. Very religious themed but it was so well written, themed, and developed that I appreciated it anyways.
>Current
Daughter of the Empire by Raymond Feist and Jany Wurtz.
I'm about halfway through. Liking it a lot so far. It's all about court politics and scheming, and I think the "Empire" is evil so that's cool.
>Next
Alanna: The First Adventure by Tamara Pierce
I told my sister to pick any book and I'd read it and this is what she picked. Doesn't really seem up my alley but who knows.

[Anonymous No.22699131]

>>22698922
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSIqYUrsZUm9ssjDnDIrTH1C6OEQeYCNFRIz6orzgXBdsGZiB8MNbsfiykqp602ipeEMYFkTpyW6Bwt/pubhtml?gid=1068221528&single=true

[Anonymous No.22699205]

>Usually Rohan even worked through his meals, but this morning he ignored duty in favor of the fun of watching his wife give in to nerves.
>Her turquoise silk bedgown billowed around her as she paced. Three times she had braided and unbraided her long firegold hair, dissatisfied by every effort. With each sharp movement of her fingers, her emerald flashed in the sunlight. A selection of gowns was heaped on her lounge chair, but she had not even begun trying them on, occupied for the moment with doing something about her hair. Her muttered curses and the occasional hiss of sheer annoyance amused her husband greatly.
>At last he said, “You never took so much trouble dressing for me.”
>Sioned scowled at him. “Sons are more observant than husbands— especially when the son has been gone for three years!”
>“May a mere husband make a suggestion? Why don’t you just look the way you always look? Pol will be expecting to see his mother, not the High Princess in all her silks and jewels.”
>“Do you think so?” she asked forlornly, and blushed when he laughed at
her. “Oh, stop it!
what did Melanie Rawn meant by this?

[Anonymous No.22699212]

>>22699000
Checked
>last
Guards, Guards! Pure comfy kino.
>Current
Men at Arms, again comfy kino
>next
Feet of Clay, going to finish everything this british faggot has written. God I love him. Will likely slog through more Marzipan if I get bored enough. So far I like Rincewind better.

[Anonymous No.22699282]

>>22699000
checked
>last
Foundation by Asmiov. mostly a slog
>current
Embassytown by Mievelle. no, I'm not gay or anything like that...
>next
I don't know. Ubik (re-read) or some non-fiction on Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.22699327]

>>22699000
>last
Lightbringer - Brown
>current
Gardens of the Moon - Erikson
>next
I literally just finished GotM so I'm not sure what to read next, thinking of going back to scifi for a bit so I don't burn myself out on Malazan with how long and how many novels there are.

[Anonymous No.22699363]

/sffg/ is so dead now.
Bakkerfags really ruined this place.

[Anonymous No.22699371]

Just finished Shadow of the Torturer. It was really good. There were some serious lulls (I almost dropped the book when the chariot race happened), but it was overall very good. My favorite parts were probably Sevarian's moments with Thecla and the botanical gardens. I have a feeling the series will get better too. I didn't like it as much as FHOC, but I am excited again.

I was suspicious of Agia from the start btw.

[Anonymous No.22699414]

>>22699000
>last
Euthyphro by Plato
>current
Three Hearts and Three Lions by Anderson
>next
The Apology by Plato

[Anonymous No.22699426]

>>22699414
Blessed and based philosophysister

[Anonymous No.22699438]

>>22699363
At the very least I know I'll never buy any of his garbage out of curiosity. The excerpts the Bakkerfags provide are some of the most obnoxious writing I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.22699446]

>>22699438
Based.

[Anonymous No.22699448]

>>22698396
>>22698470
Sorry cucks, but MVRTAGH BVLLS stay winning

[Anonymous No.22699476]

Rec me some kino that has pic related vibes.
Hard-mode: No Warhammer.

[Anonymous No.22699513]

Sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex

[Anonymous No.22699524]

>>22699476
Warhammer

[Anonymous No.22699546]

>>22698439
>the troon is still recommending gay jew martin's song of slop
Kek! Someone get this midwit a coloring book, something that is more It's speed.

[Anonymous No.22699562]

[Anonymous No.22699571]

>>22698791
Yeah, the first two books are ok, the rest are trash
Also, unless you are a tranny don't bother with the shitreads group >>22698841

[Anonymous No.22699612]

>>22699571
>over 750 members in the group

[Anonymous No.22699613]

>>22699562
only a few more chapters until I've reached the end

[Anonymous No.22699812]

I hate searching for a new cultivation novel to read

[Anonymous No.22699846]

>>22699812
Me too since I don't read h*rem cuckshit

[Anonymous No.22699899]

Bros I'm scared to read Bakker. Its been on my backlog, but if I read it... will I become an insufferable spamming faggot?

[Anonymous No.22699906]

>>22697540
yeah very comfy

[Anonymous No.22699909]

>>22699476
Space Viking, H. Beam Piper

[Anonymous No.22699966]

>>22699899
He's ultimately a local meme. If you can stomach endless homosex, the purple prose is engaging. You should enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.22700108]

>murtagh becomes bros with an urgal gigachad, has a qt priestess thirsting after him and is about to fuck the queen
can't stop winning

[Anonymous No.22700131]

Hello /lit/ friends, have you recently purchased the new book Murtagh, written by Christopher Paolini and published on November 7 2023? If not, please purchase the book at your earliest convenience

[Anonymous No.22700243]

What're some good Urban Fantasy novels for light reading? I don't care if it's an actual novel, webnovel, or even Japanese LN.

I just want something to read while riding the tube.

[Anonymous No.22700275]

>>22700243
Dresden files, pretty ok series gets better around 3rd book then drops a bit in quality in the last books.
If you want a standalone Neverwhere.

[Anonymous No.22700300]

Any good dark fantasy novels that don't devolve into descriptions of what men's sweaty assholes smell like (Bakker) ?

[Anonymous No.22700303]

I'm looking for a novel about monsters and monster hunting. Something like what I imagined the Witcher books to be like before I read them.

[Anonymous No.22700339]

>>22699612
>Over 750 cucks and trannys in the group

[Anonymous No.22700384]

>>22699363
The normalfag GRRM Defense Force isn't helping either.
>>22699612
They're 99% normalfags who barely read anything. Good luck getting any of those golems to discuss anything at all whatsoever as well.

[Anonymous No.22700490]

I just started reading Thomas Covenant. About halfway through the first book. It's kinda boring honestly. Does it get better, or should I drop it? Also I didn't expect the rape, it's wierd.

[Anonymous No.22700521]

>>22700339
Seems like a high percentage of the those who come to the thread. Why are you still here?

>>22700384
What percent would you say the thread is and how much discussion? That isn't really the point either.

[Anonymous No.22700522]

>>22700490
The rape is unironically the best part. Just this looming shadow that hangs over the character and taints everything they do. Tropes that would normally give the reader pleasure are completely subverted.If only the book wasn't so boring besides that.

[Anonymous No.22700528]

>>22700490
>didn't expect the most discussed and known part

[Anonymous No.22700608]

Soulcatcher > Lady

[Anonymous No.22700613]

>>22700490
It gets better in the next two books, but the first one is mostly just the standard quest narrative. It probably gets better in the second half once they get the band together and start the quest if your problem is lack of action, but overall the series is not action-heavy.

[Anonymous No.22700684]

>>22700243
It's a short story collection and what's unique about this series is the world is a fantasy world that naturally evolved to 40s/50s level technology. So all the fantasy stuff is out in the open and everyone knows about it unlike the typical urban fantasy take. And the protag has no powers at all; he's just a cop who works for the mayor's office who has to deal with all the weird magical shit when it gets out of hand.

[Anonymous No.22700687]

>>22700300
Darkness Weaves by Karl Edward Wagner

[Anonymous No.22700690]

>>22699476
The Demon Princes

[Anonymous No.22700694]

>>22700303
White Hunters by Brian Herne.

[Anonymous No.22700715]

Why is there a scifi and fantasy general on /lit/? I thought /lit/ hated those genres and called worldbuilding and magic systems autistic

[Anonymous No.22700726]

>>22700715
I see that it's both your first and last day on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.22700742]

>>22700726
No, it’s a genuine question

[Anonymous No.22700747]

>>22700715
>>22652634

[Anonymous No.22700751]

>what is a containment thread

grim

[Anonymous No.22700753]

>>22699476
Some of Moorcock's stories approach this

[Anonymous No.22700754]

>>22700747
But that doesn’t answer my question

[Anonymous No.22700757]

>>22700754
>>22700651

[Anonymous No.22700760]

>>22700384
Hey Bakkerkike, no one is reading your daddy's meme'd slop
>>22700521
He's the bakkerbot, trying to derail the thread again
I genuinely hope he gets IP banned, he's been shitting up /sffg/

[Anonymous No.22700778]

>>22700757
Yeah, people say worldbuilding lacks creativity and depth. There’s so much hate

[Anonymous No.22700818]

>disliking Bakker
:)
>disliking GRRM
:(

[Anonymous No.22700830]

>disliking irrelevant literal who

:)

>disliking grrm

:)

[Anonymous No.22700834]

I need some cuckold revenge fantasy recs bros. +1 if it's wish fulfillment galore. Betrayal by close friends works too.

[Anonymous No.22700840]

>>22700834
Do you want a cultivation story where the rapist gets killed then the waifu gets unraped?

[Anonymous No.22700841]

>>22700830
Reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.22700850]

>>22698445
litrpg is actual autism. i'd rather just read ad&d or rolemaster rulebooks and modules

[Anonymous No.22700853]

>>22700834
God Emperor of Dune

[Anonymous No.22700855]

>>22700694
Not what I was thinking of but I might give this to my dad. Thanks for the rec

[Anonymous No.22700886]

Is there a point in a science and fiction and fantasy general when half the board catalog is already scifi and fantasy related?

[Anonymous No.22700887]

>>22700753
Moorcock is a fag.

[Anonymous No.22700937]

>>22700886
It's for the Bakkerbot to spam his irrelevant, timewasting posts
>>22697491
>>22697493
>>22698536
>>22700384
>>22700818
>>22700841
>>22700887

[Anonymous No.22700988]

BAKKER IS KING
>Kellhus acknowledged a corporeal dissonance, a discord between the assumed form and the yearning of the soul. The reed mats beneath him seemed to echo the tumult within, as the Aspect-Emperor confronted the shadowed realms of bodily dysmorphia. The prince of intellect, the master of stratagems, grappled with a revelation that transcended the political intrigues and divine machinations that had long defined his existence. In the quiet of his secluded sanctuary, Kellhus stood at the crossroads of transformation, where the desire to become, in essence, a woman, whispered through the corridors of self-discovery.
KINO

[Anonymous No.22701096]

>>22700988
Does the series get better after the second book cos right now it's not great

[Anonymous No.22701098]

>>22697928
Just finished this. Enjoyed this more than the first book even if it was more or less the same shit, but it was only half the length of the first one and the crazy fantasy stuff was cranked up a bit more (as to be expected). Now on to book 3 and from the cover alone it looks like it's gonna be fun.

[Anonymous No.22701110]

>>22700937
Both your authors are shit. Go pollute reddit with your western political with-or-against-us mentality.

[Anonymous No.22701135]

>>22699613
It's ok, you can just reread it, by the time you finish chapter 2300+ you have probably forgotten what happened in the first 200 chapters

[Anonymous No.22701147]

>>22699812
>>22699846
Reverend Insanity
Martial World
Throne of primordial blood
The Human Emperor
End Of magic era
Otherworldly evil monarch
Genius warlock
Sovereign of three realms

[Anonymous No.22701191]

>>22701110
>t. has never read Bakker or Martin
Maybe stick to Paolini, little guy

[Anonymous No.22701218]

>>22701191
Go pollute reddit with your western political with-or-against-us mentality.

[Anonymous No.22701224]

>>22701218
I accept your concession, copypaste ESL kun

[Anonymous No.22701235]

>if you don't like Martin or Bakker you're an ESL!!!
What is this newfag logic?

[Anonymous No.22701245]

>>22701235
Yes, you are an ESL
You also lack reading comprehension and are mad at the internet.

[Anonymous No.22701250]

This general has devolved into people either worshipping Bakker, insulting Bakker, or arguing about Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22701251]

>>22701235
you are falling for their baits

[Anonymous No.22701272]

>>22701251
Ironically >>22700937 was calling out the Bakker related spam
For some reason >>22701110 got assblasted by this and started repeating himself like a schizo
>>22701250
Correct, which isn't helped by the Bakker guy spamming the start of every thread

[Anonymous No.22701287]

>>22701250
Every general across the website has at minimum one genuine psychotic case study per thread who assumes leadership and direction, to nobody's desire. Aside from that, we've been a subreddit for a long time now. No criticism or negativity about any popular author at all whatsoever, and any and all discussion about a nonpopular/accepted author is forbidden.

[Anonymous No.22701295]

>>22701287
I'm just sick of people shitting on literally any recommendation. You could recommend any author then it devolves into a shit flinging contest, like the one between the retards above.

[Anonymous No.22701300]

>>22701272
There has been a Martin defender the past few threads on the level of Bakker zealotry. We had some weird guy ardent about defending Rothfuss too for several threads a few months back. It's not surprising to see people defend their favorite celebrity.

[Anonymous No.22701301]

>>22701287
>waaa why can't I just tell people authors are bad with no further elaboration??? waaaaaa

[Anonymous No.22701306]

>>22701300
I have legitimately seen more of reaction AGAINST Martin, than actual discussion of a song of ice and fire. Like, anons just namedropping him for no reason

[Anonymous No.22701323]

>>22701301
>>22701306
Well yeah, retard. people will attack popular authors just because they're popular. It's also why there's such a reaction against Bakker. It's basically just bait.
That's all these threads are anymore, people baiting and trying to push meme authors.
At least murtaghposting is kinda funny

[Anonymous No.22701328]

>>22699546
Someday Winds of Winter will release and shut all you contrarians up for good.
Please Martin, deliver us from this faggotry.

[Anonymous No.22701338]

>>22701250
If only it could be discussion about Bakker.
Why do you guys think Kellhus made sure Achamian got to the Library?

[Anonymous No.22701340]

>>22701323
DID SOMEBODY SAY MVRTAGH??? HRRRAAAGHGHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.22701345]

>>22701338
Is it true that the series (not sure what the name for it is) becomes sci-fi at the end? I heard there's something in it about aliens.

[Anonymous No.22701353]

>>22701338
to cuck him

[Anonymous No.22701355]

>>22701345
The Ark and the Inchoroi came from space. Achamian mentions this as early as book 2.

[Anonymous No.22701361]

>>22701306
There's some rare discussion, mostly surface level, like the post two below yours but people squawk if you dare imply the series has flaws. It happens with all popular series. We still have Cradlefags even.

[Anonymous No.22701394]

>>22701295
Don't recommend pozzed garbage and no one will fling shit at you.

[Anonymous No.22701408]

>>22701361
My nigga in christ there are still retards in these threads that unironically like the name of the wind.

[Anonymous No.22701418]

>>22701408
You are an ESL

[Anonymous No.22701422]

>>22701408
I mentioned Rothfuss previously, my brother.

[Anonymous No.22701423]

>>22701418
Even if English wasn't my first language I'd still know it was a cuck book without even opening it.

[Anonymous No.22701430]

>>22701423
>le meme speak
ESL

[Anonymous No.22701463]

>>22701430
cuck pozzed feminist sjw trash libshit antiwhite faggot roastie

[Anonymous No.22701467]

>>22700490
desu best part was when he was still on Earth
after the rape it got boring
how long can you cry about it
mistakes happen, fucking move on

[Anonymous No.22701468]

>>22701463
It's been spamming "ESL" at anything it doesn't like throughout the thread. Stop responding to it. May as well be a bot spamming the same particular buzzword.

[Anonymous No.22701501]

You are brown

[Anonymous No.22701512]

>>22699371
I would say the standard opinion on BOTNS is that it gets better throughout. Wish I could read Wolfe's magnum opus again for the first time.

[Anonymous No.22701521]

Can someone tell me why /lit/ hates fantasy and scifi?

[Anonymous No.22701533]

>>22701521
Does it? Maybe in 2012 but that's certainly not the case anymore.

[Anonymous No.22701537]

Any games like Nebel Geisterag?

[Anonymous No.22701548]

>Sad experience teaches me

[Anonymous No.22701552]

>>22701533
Yes, /lit/ really hates fantasy, there’s been a bunch of threads calling as uncreative, autistic, slop, or a waste of finite reading time, i really don’t know why

[Anonymous No.22701559]

>>22697747
Not him, but it's from Discworld novel Colour of Magic. Rincewind and Twoflower get transported into another reality and end up on a ship with "many little windows", which turns out to be a plane later on. Overall, it's an easy read, but that part was somewhat confusing.

[Anonymous No.22701564]

>>22701552
Nah. That's really /a/nimefags attacking fantasy for the perceived notion that light novels and web serials are not really discussed here as often as they think they should.

[Anonymous No.22701581]

Any good fantasy from the Middle East or using the Middle East or ME mythology as a setting?

[Anonymous No.22701606]

>>22701564
I don’t know they don’t seem to know what anime is, they just hate

[Anonymous No.22701607]

>>22701552
Personally, I hate science fiction because it tries to appear smart and complex by inventing all kinds of impossible technologies and processes, and uses complicated jargon of nonsensical words. It's all just mumbo-jumbo nonsense. I believe a good portion of people who read science fiction are insecure about their intelligence. I have no such issues about fantasy, though.

[Anonymous No.22701623]

>>22701607
I like sci-fi for the crazy "what if" scenarios and also I think space ships are really cool. I also don't care for technical jargon because I'm not interested in the nuts and bolts of how the imaginary technology works, I just want to see the broader social impact of it.

[Anonymous No.22701637]

>>22701581
Peter V. Brett's Demon Cycle series has strong Middle Eastern influences. It was pretty good when I was reading it as a teen a decade back. Dropped it after the third book though cos of one of the female leads being too haram astaghfirullah.

[Anonymous No.22701642]

>>22701468
>t. Brown ESL

[Anonymous No.22701653]

>>22701552
I like fantasy, but I don't like a lot of high fantasy because it feels too derivative.

[Anonymous No.22701658]

>>22701606
>t. Brown ESL

[Anonymous No.22701662]

>>22701422
Kek, this never gets old

[Anonymous No.22701677]

>>22701607
Filtered

[Anonymous No.22701823]

any books like Nebel Geistjager?

[Anonymous No.22701838]

>>22701823
Is this an ad

[Anonymous No.22701840]

>>22701823
Stop deleting your post just to repost it, nigger.

[Anonymous No.22701845]

>>22701823
what the fuck is that

[Anonymous No.22701905]

>>22701147
based

[Anonymous No.22701940]

>>22701658
Why are (You) so retarded and butthurt? You just copypaste other people's posts. It's low IQ. Did you eat lead paint when you were a kid or something?

[Anonymous No.22701979]

I really like the first story in Hyperion about the bikura tribe. Are there any good Sci-fi books that give the same mystery feel? Like finding an abandoned planet and seeing a crucifix or a fucking monkey there

[Anonymous No.22701988]

>>22701098
Corporal Monroe was an assaulter from Third Platoon. Sergeant Chris’s kingdom and subjects. He was now, after a long and painful fever that verged on some kind of worst flu ever, an eight-foot-tall minotaur complete with razor-sharp bull horns and a hairy hide. His lower half was still humanoid—though unhumanly hairy—but his upper half was now a perfect inverted triangle of bulging muscles and then his bull’s face. He made it to the Ranger patrol base via Last of Autumn’s horse, who knew the way and knew how to move fast. The Ranger who had become a beast of a minotaur just held on for dear life and got off when the horse needed a rest. When it was time to ride again the horse would lower its head and Corporal Monroe would climb aboard and off they’d go. The Forge had cranked out a special plate carrier for him and even an actual old-school M60E3 machine gun Special Forces had developed for CQB. Collapsible stock, foregrip, ultra-lightweight barrel, and a high-powered red targeting laser because Corporal Monroe’s new anatomy made it harder for him to achieve gunsight with the iron sights. The targeting laser told him where the rounds he was spraying would land. Also, the trigger had needed modification to fit his now massive fingers.

Based schlock.

[Anonymous No.22701997]

>>22700303
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3810

I've never seen fantasy "monster hunting" done well. There are good fight scenes against monsters in Sacnoth and Faerie Queene, but no "hunting". I suspect that the boring nerds who write fantasy have never hunted for anything but misplaced chinese food menus.

There's the Monster Hunter Inc books, but you know...

[Anonymous No.22702001]

>>22701979
The Fifth Head of Cerebus

[Anonymous No.22702062]

The true king is Robert Bakker!

[Anonymous No.22702117]

>>22702062
You are brown

[Anonymous No.22702184]

>>22702117
Any books with white women having sex with brown men?

[Anonymous No.22702191]

How did the quality of this general tank even further in the span of 3 days since I last looked here did I miss something lol

[Anonymous No.22702199]

>>22701096
The second book is legit good so if you don't like it you should stop now.

[Anonymous No.22702371]

>>22702191
Simple answer: spics

[Anonymous No.22702384]

>>22697599
Fantasy is about feelings, Sci-fi is about ideas.

[Anonymous No.22702388]

>>22702199
It's a marked decrease in quality from the first, which makes sense given that Bakker said he forced himself to complete it in a year. The ending was unbelievably autistic, too. I wanted to like the series but I think that's because of all the shilling it gets here. To each their own, I suppose. I don't think it's good. 4/10.

[Anonymous No.22702584]

>>22702388
You are brown

[Anonymous No.22702608]

>>22702388
>It's a marked decrease in quality
Just like every new thread this general receives

[Anonymous No.22702614]

>>22699371
Good man. Personally, Sword of the Lictor is my favorite book in New Sun, but all of the books have really cool parts.
Wolfe's other stuff is great too.
>>22699000
>last
Return to the Whorl. What a trip, and what an ending. Robot grandma continues to be cute.
>current
Bout halfway though Urth of the New sun, and then I'll be done with the Solar Cycle.
>next
Roadside Picnic I think. Or something cyberpunky if you anons have any recommendations aside from the standard Gibson.

[Anonymous No.22702627]

Can someone recommend me some fantasy series to give a read? Honestly I'll take anything really. I just want an interesting setting I can get lost in.

[Anonymous No.22702645]

>>22702627
This is waaaaay off sffg piste but maybe take a look at Merovingen Nights. It's not exactly fantasy but CJ Cherryh is second to nobody at building settings to get lost in.

[Anonymous No.22702648]

>>22702627
Ashes of the Urn series.
Sword & Sorcery set in a Mayan/Aztec fantasy world.

[Anonymous No.22702651]

>>22702627
This is very /a/ but mushoku tensei is a really fun read if you want to try a series of light novels

[Anonymous No.22702670]

>>22699205
Fuck, my prose reads like this. How can I make it not read like this?

[Anonymous No.22702698]

>>22702670
Run it through a text to text ai engine.

[Anonymous No.22702710]

>>22702698
Jesus. Here's the chatgpt for "Write the following text more beautifully."

>Rohan typically immersed himself in work even during meals, but on this particular morning, he chose to set aside his duties, captivated by the enchanting sight of his wife succumbing to nerves.

>Her turquoise silk gown gracefully swirled as she paced, the vibrant hue accentuating the elegance of her movements. Braiding and unbraiding her cascading firegold hair, she seemed dissatisfied with each attempt. In the sunlight, her emerald flashed with every swift movement of her fingers. Despite a heap of gowns on her lounge chair, she focused on her hair, emitting muttered curses and occasional hisses of sheer annoyance, much to her husband's delight.

>Finally, he remarked, "You've never gone to such lengths for me."
>Sioned scowled, retorting, "Sons are more observant than husbands—especially after being gone for three years!"
>"May a mere husband offer a suggestion? Why not simply embrace your natural allure? Pol expects his mother, not the High Princess adorned in silks and jewels."
>"Do you truly believe that?" she inquired forlornly, blushing as he chuckled in response.

[Anonymous No.22702726]

>>22702710
And just for good measure, here's the exact same prompt with the "beautified" text instead.

>Rohan, typically engrossed in his work even during meals, surrendered his duties on this exceptional morning, mesmerized by the captivating spectacle of his wife yielding to nerves.

>Her turquoise silk gown danced with grace as she paced, the vibrant hue accentuating the elegance of each movement. Braiding and unbraiding her flowing firegold hair, she displayed dissatisfaction with each attempt. In the sunlight, her emerald gleamed with each deft motion of her fingers. Despite a cascade of gowns on her lounge chair, she remained fixated on her hair, releasing muted curses and occasional hisses of sheer annoyance, much to her husband's amusement.

>At last, he commented, "Never have you gone to such lengths for me."
>Sioned scowled, countering, "Sons are more observant than husbands—especially after an absence of three years!"
>"May a mere husband proffer a suggestion? Why not embrace your innate allure? Pol anticipates his mother, not the High Princess adorned in silks and jewels."
>"Do you genuinely believe that?" she inquired wistfully, blushing as he chuckled in response.

[Anonymous No.22702733]

>>22702710

Now you know.

[Anonymous No.22702776]

I find space opera the most comfy when it is pretty much fantasy in space, so any books with space knights besides 40k?

[Anonymous No.22702783]

Just finished book 5 of wheel of time. The Fires of Heaven. It's the one where Rand leaves the waste. And Nynaeve and Elayne hunt Moghedien.

I don't have much to say about this book, other than I like it. I've already talked about it on /sffg/ before.(Mostly about Nynaeve) But I will say that Lan is a bad role model. It was Lan that implanted the idea in Rand's head that he should do whatever he must because he's a man and has duty or whatever. It sends Rand down a path where he feels like he needs to become harder and harder.
Then it's Lan who implants the idea in Rand's head that he can't love another woman, because he has darkness in him. Which sends Rand down his spiraling emo trip. Holy toxic masculinity, Batman. Lan is good with a sword. But he's perhaps a little TOO hard.

Also, all the dress changing descriptions don't get easier on reread. I get RJ needed a way to convey how the world of dreams works, but he really didn't need to interrupt every interaction with another dress changing description, and girls getting flustered over accidentally wearing revealing clothes. It's cute the first couple times. But he does it like 10 times.

[Anonymous No.22702793]

>>22702783
>how the world of dreams works
How does it work? Want to know the system, don't want to read millions of words.

[Anonymous No.22702801]

>>22702783
Huh, I forgot that Lan put the idea Rand needs to be hardened in his head. I suppose you could argue he sees Rand like himself, someone who is doomed to fight the shadow thanks to fate and is just trying to help him deal with it.

Also the clothes changing. I’m about to finish book 13, it still goes on.

[Anonymous No.22702800]

>>22702776
Red Rising post book 2

[Anonymous No.22702806]

>>22702800
After book 1 not 2 my b

[Anonymous No.22702828]

>>22702793
The world of dreams is a reflection of the real world. All the buildings men build are there. The trees, the water. Etc. Except it's mostly unoccupied. conscious being tend not to exist there. Save for certain wild animals that inexplicably have an affinity for the dream. Like some birds and fish. For some reason domesticated animals lose their affinity as well. The dream is lit by a light that seems to come from everywhere and nowhere. With no real sense of time of day.

When a person is inside of the dream, they can interact with things to an extent. Like you might shift a box in a dream. And it will remain in its place for a short time, before returning back to where it should be in the real world. With will and intent, you can more firmly keep that box in its place. Fix it to where you think it should be. The greater practice you have at that, the more you can alter in the dream.

Your mind has that kind of effect in the dream. Where your thoughts and perceptions tend to manifest themselves. It can happen purposely, where you imagine a cup of water to drink and you drink it. Or, it can happen accidentally, where stray thoughts and feelings alter something without your knowing. That's how you end up with women suddenly changing clothes. For example, when the princess character wants to exert more authority in the conversation she's having, her dress will suddenly change to something more elaborate and regal with with her house symbol on it. Or when a character gets scared, suddenly she's wearing armor. Or when she thinks of her love interest, suddenly she's wearing a low neckline dress that's slightly sheer. And then becomes embarrassed about it.

Time and space work differently too. You can think yourself into other locations in a blink. Or a single step could move you forward a mile. The dream is far more dangerous than the waking world, because there, everyone can perform "magic", by manipulating the dream with their thoughts.

[Anonymous No.22702843]

>>22702801
>uh, I forgot that Lan put the idea Rand needs to be hardened in his head
It happens in one of the earlier books. When he tells Rand "duty is heavier than a mountain". That becomes Rand's mantra. He always tells himself that when he's about to do something difficult. Also, all that stuff about dying on your feet and being a man. It sounded nice in the moment. But as Rand becomes harder and harder, Lan never cautions him. Never suggest he pulls back. Never gives him anything else to round him out. Lan always approved. There are moments when Lan repeats his Mantra, or says "I do what I must", and Lan gives him a little nod. Except for that one time Moiraine was reduced to pleading to Rand. Lan didn't like that.

[Anonymous No.22702847]

>>22702843
>>22702801
>There are moments when Lan repeats his Mantra, or says "I do what I must"
I meant to say Rand there. It's a struggle not to confuse Lan and Rand, since they both sound similar in my head.

[Anonymous No.22702857]

What's the single worst written paragraph in a published novel you've ever read?

[Anonymous No.22702863]

>>22702793
>>22702828
Also, if you die in the dream you die in real life. Injuries sustained in the dream are sustained in real life. To an extent. It depends how much you're inside of the dream. Only a part of a person enters the dream. A fragment. So if a fragment of you gets injured, then it's not so bad when you wake. But even a fragment can die.

Most people can't enter the world of dreams willingly. Everyone can find themselves in the world by accident in their sleep. But nobody realizes they're in the world, because to them it's just a dream. The slip into the world for no more than a few seconds, and then leave again. Never the wiser as to what happened.

Entering the dream willingly is mostly a lost art from the age of legends. But a sparse few people are born with the ability. It comes to them naturally. However, they might not even know they can do it themselves unless they're trained. And even if they could do it themselves, they might do something stupid in the dream and get themselves killed. Nightmares can be conjured in the dream, and before you realize what's happened, you're caught up in some horrific event of torture or death.

Special rings have been made to allow others to enter the dream as well. These are especially rare. Only like a handful of them exist.

[Anonymous No.22702866]

>>22702857
>>22701422

[Anonymous No.22702870]

Daenerys has been shitting in the grass for 12 years now

[Anonymous No.22702880]

>>22702670
Don't be a woman.

[Anonymous No.22702889]

>>22702870

The story isn't about Daenerys, it's about the perpetual escalation of Cersei's monstrosity and there's nowhere left to go. Grrm painted himself into a corner.

[Anonymous No.22702900]

I want to read new Cersei chapters so badly

[Anonymous No.22702910]

>>22702776
Star of the Guardians, Chud warning: mature female protagonist

[Anonymous No.22702933]

Rec me a cyberpunk Conan to read.

[Anonymous No.22702938]

>>22702933
No

[Anonymous No.22702945]

>>22702938
new market to exploit?

[Anonymous No.22702954]

>>22702933

Count to the Eschaton and two or three other Jon C. Wright series

[Anonymous No.22702965]

>>22702954

*not cyberpunk. that's a tough nut to crack. the problem with cyberpunk is that scifi is built on novel new ideas - cyberpunk was built on ideas that were new and novel for about eighteen months and so the genre can't really be expanded. it's like trying to be a cave-diver that is hoping for an old, well explored cave to have new caves somewhere in back. Tad William's Otherland series is garbooo but has elements of Conan and cyberpunk.... not in the way you want.

[Anonymous No.22702982]

>>22702933
Streetlethal and sequels by Steven Barnes

[Anonymous No.22702991]

>>22702889
You don't actually believe that, do you? Cersei only served to fuck up so bad, that literally any ruler could come and replace her. She will be killed off as soon as she's not useful as a placeholder for other characters.

[Anonymous No.22703025]

>>22702991

If that were true you would already have two or three more books of slop. You're mapping your bad reads onto an author who doesn't give a fuck about the fantasy reading community.

[Anonymous No.22703035]

>>22703025
>If that were true you would already have two or three more books of slop.
??? what do you mean by that. I'm not following.

[Anonymous No.22703042]

>>22703035
It's not that hard.
Cersei walking backwards towards disaster is game of thrones. That's the story.

[Anonymous No.22703047]

Any Malazan readers here ? Are the Ian C Esselmont books important for a first time read or should I not bother with them ?

[Anonymous No.22703048]

>>22703042
The show is a non canon fanfic

[Anonymous No.22703057]

>>22703048
the participation and approval of the author makes it canonical

[Anonymous No.22703058]

>>22703048
consider grrm's published work as tools to make the show.

[Anonymous No.22703061]

>>22703042
>Cersei walking backwards towards disaster is game of thrones. That's the story.
I'm still not following. Please use more words to explain what you mean.

[Anonymous No.22703073]

>>22703047
I dont know the anawer for sure since im only on deadhouse gates right now but I think reading publishing order is the way to go and the extra stuff after main 10 only if you want to

[Anonymous No.22703075]

>>22703061
>Please use more words to explain what you mean.

I'm not good at that. I'm good at being terse with complex ideas, I suck at being verbose with simple ideas. Sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous No.22703103]

>>22703057
>littlefinger gives sansa up to get raped by someone other than him
>cersei publicly commits 9/11 and nobody cares
>bran wanders around doing nothing for the whole show while meera wipes his ass only to inexplicably claim the throne
>sam becomes grand maester while an oathbreaker twice over and openly fucking gilly
>bronn becomes lord of highgarden with no heirs and no friends
>tyrion keeps getting his job back despite a career of nothing but fuckups and dick jokes, plus he loves his family and the city
>some time towards the end of the show everyone unlocks fast travel and the map only comprises of five sites with a dozen characters in each
I refuse to recognise that trash as canon

[Anonymous No.22703115]

>>22697553
Try Sourcery

[Anonymous No.22703173]

>>22703103
that's your personal choice, not a fact.

[Anonymous No.22703226]

>>22702982
Based.

[Anonymous No.22703334]

>>22702783
>>22702801
Some other details I noticed this read through:
Asmodean's white frills were always perfectly clean. This might have been nothing. Just a random detail RJ like the point out. But it could have implied that he was channeling when Rand wasn't around to see him. Oh sure, maybe Gai'shain were washing his clothes every day. But I doubt that.

I also forgot who officially killed Asmodean. So I'm trying to piece the evidence together again. I'm not really sure who to suspect anymore. But thinking about their motivation for killing him, it seemed like it would be someone displeased by the fact that he was helping Rand. Maybe they thought Asmodean was still faithful to the great lord for a time, but in the latter part of the book, you can tell Asmodean was genuinely attempting to gain Rand's trust. He stopped holding back knowledge, and he volunteered to go against Rahvin. And he had the perfect opportunity to kill Rand when he was exhausted after the Shaido battle. But rather than kill Rand, he assist in healing him. He was completely compromised. And someone had to be close enough to Rand to know this. I doubt Rahvin was keeping tabs on Rand. However, Sammael had spies inside of Rand's camp. Proven by Matt's Shaido girlfriend having the golden bee insignia on her dagger. The golden bees attacked Rand's caravan before, shouting allegiance to Sammael. However, Asmodeon notes that the attack was out of character for Sammael. That another foresaken could have created the attack to bait Rand into confronting Sammael. This also makes sense, when you consider that Melindhra only attempts to kill Mat when she learns that he and Rand are going on a mission to Caemlyn. If she was instructed by Rahvin, then her oath would be to prevent them from invading Caemlyn. Instead, diverting them to Sammael. But if that were the case, then after Rahvin dies, there are no spies to report back to Sammael of Asmodeon's defection. Of course, Sammael might have thought it was prudent to kill Asmodeon regardless, after hearing that Rand killed Rahvin. Because he would assume that Asmodeon taught him too much, and he needed to put a stop to it.

[Anonymous No.22703347]

>>22700684
>And the protag has no powers at all
Why would ANYONE want that in a fantasy story?

[Anonymous No.22703365]

>>22702783
>Lan is good with a sword. But he's perhaps a little TOO hard.
Well to be fair, this is explicitly addressed in-universe at a later point, mostly for Rand, but also for Lan.

[Anonymous No.22703375]

>>22703334
>I also forgot who officially killed Asmodean
Taim. Asmodean recognizes him because originally Taim was Demandred. However, Jordan retconned Taim's true identity when people figured it out because he was kind of a cunt like that, same with Olver being Gaidal Kane (I maintain that he is, no matter what Jordan said post-facto).

[Anonymous No.22703432]

>>22703375
> same with Olver being Gaidal Kane
Does enough time pass for that to make sense? Gaidal Kane was spun out somewhere between the events of Book 4 and 5. We know this, because Birgitte mentions she hasn't seen him in some time near the beginning of book 5. He was by her side in book 4. Olver is introduced in book 6 at nine years old. I know time is a little funky in Tel'aran'rhiod. But I don't believe it's so disjointed that the soul of Gaidal can exist in the dream at the same time it exist in the waking world. In fact, I just talked myself into believing that you're wrong about that.

I'm not even sure what to think of idea that Mazrim Taim is(or was) Demandred. But I just started book 6, and it opens with Demandred meeting the great lord to receive instructions. My first thought was "what has this guy been doing? He's apparently been awake for a while. But doing what?" It would make a kind of sense if he was masquerading as a false dragon. But then again how does that advantage the dark one? Shouldn't Mazrim be looking for the real dragon reborn? Not futzing around playing at dragon? Also, this idea goes against the whole pattern weaving stuff. It was supposed(I forget by which character), that the pattern was spinning out more false dragons, because if Rand wasn't going to proclaim himself, then someone will. And then finally, when Rand proclaimed himself, both of the false dragons, from remote locations, saw Rand fighting over Falme, and had very peculiar accidents that appeared like Ta'veren work. One of them died to the mob, the other survived. But it makes you think that the wheel was doing away with the false, in order to elevate the true. And it kind of diminishes that moment, if actually one of the false dragons was Mazrim this whole time.

The Mazrim/Demandred conspiracy isn't completely outlandish. But I'm going to say it's unlikely.

[Anonymous No.22703559]

>>22703347
giving the protagonist powers is a licence to solve every problem with either a known power or a sudden appearance of a new deus-ex-machina power

[Anonymous No.22703675]

I weep every time.

[Anonymous No.22703694]

>>22703334
so many books later, I'm still sad Asmodean was killed :( I get why it had to happen, Rand having a Forsaken mentoring him and helping him would make things just a bit too easy, but I really liked him and how he was actually starting to help Rand. (Also like it when Villains are forced to work with the here and starts to come around to them as a trope) It's a shame really.

[Anonymous No.22703702]

>>22703559
Using mundane (asspull) methods to solve supernatural problems just ends up making everything look stupid.

[Anonymous No.22703730]

What's the IQ needed to read Tau Zero?

[Anonymous No.22703746]

>>22703730
75+

[Anonymous No.22703747]

Is it true nothing ever happens in Clarkes books?

[Anonymous No.22703772]

Wait.
>this thread
So if you like ASOIAF you're brown? Or if you don't like ASOIAF you're brown? I'm having trouble keeping up with the newf's meta. This magic system sucks.

[Anonymous No.22703781]

>>22703432
>The Mazrim/Demandred conspiracy isn't completely outlandish. But I'm going to say it's unlikely.
If you notice, Taim says some things such as Calling the Aiel "So-called Aiel" and mentions how much they've changed, and absolutely SEETHES when Rand declared him the second Asha'man, which is all very in-character for Demandred but doesn't make a lot of sense if he's just some schmuck. That being said, it WAS retconned quite heavily, so that's not how it is in the story, it's just how it was originally intended before Jordan got butthurt that people figured out the twist. Taim is Taim in the book, not Demandred.
As for Olver, he's a short, ugly ladies man who Birgitte absolutely FAWNS over, he's definitely Gaidal. Time wimey nonsense from a non-linear dream realm.

[Anonymous No.22703808]

>>22703781
>Time wimey nonsense from a non-linear dream realm.
No, I just don't buy it. Time is different in the dream, sure. But the way the timeline of events are, the soul would have existed both inside and outside of the dream at the same time. And that can't be. It doesn't make sense mechanically. Olver being 9 years old, means that he was alive even before the events of the Eye of the World. We're just dealing with two characters who parallel each other.

[Anonymous No.22703816]

>>22703808
Silverbow mentions she hasn't seen Gaidal in a very long time, and that she suspects he may have been spun out again, in the chapter immediately before Olver's first appearance. It doesn't really matter, it's just one of the numerous little details floating around in the series. Like the Mercedes Benz logo and Thom telling a story about a tabloid journalist from 1980's San Francisco.

[Anonymous No.22703817]

>>22701552
Why do you care? Just join a fantasy reading group or discord for it. Plenty of genre magazines have their own communities.

[Anonymous No.22703821]

>>22703808
And a side note, Thom Merrilin is Merlin.
>"Thom Merrilin. Not a gleeman — but what? Who can say? Not eating fire, but breathing it. Hurling it about like an Aes Sedai.”

[Anonymous No.22703823]

>>22703817
You sure told him. :)

[Anonymous No.22703824]

>he was not a gleeman
>no, in fact, he was a sadman
Are we fucking serious

[Anonymous No.22703826]

>>22703823
I mainly only read speculative fiction. I don't know why you care about me saying for him to join an actual community. /Lit/ is not known for having readers. No board on 4chan really follows its own topic. We're just here because we're bored and alienated.

[Anonymous No.22703835]

>all these fucking scottish characters in 3 Hearts 3 Lions
I cannae understand ye

[Anonymous No.22703875]

>>22697481
Fantasybros, does this series get good again after this book? I liked the first three, but this shit is ridiculous and paced horribly. I'm at the dwarf throwing yellow orbs filled with monsters and I'm losing interest fast.

[Anonymous No.22703903]

>>22703808
you have events all mushed up, my friend.
Book 4, The Shadow Rising: Nyneave makes contact with Birgitte, and they begin talking. Later, in the same book, Gaidal is beside Birgitte, and warns against interacting with Nynaeve, because it goes against the prescripts. He's in the dream.

Book 5, The Fires of Heaven: Nynaeve meets with Birgitte again, and she inquires about Gaidal. Here, Birgitte says he hasn't been around for some time, and supposes he's been spun out. "Some time, would be the time between book 4 and 5. In the dream, the perception of time is skewed. Typically, characters claim to spend more time in the dream than they do in the waking world. So from Birgitte's perpective, it was probably an even longer stretch of time than Nynaeve perceived. Or maybe it was shorter. I don't know for sure about the exact time mechanics in the world. But what I am sure of, is that we have an established boundaries of time. Where Gaidal was there, then not there. Gaidal was in the dream after Olver's birth. And Gaidel spun out after Olver's birth.

Book 6, Lord of Chaos: Mat meets Olver.

Also, Olver didn't come from nowhere. He had parents. When Birgitte explains about Gaidal being spun out, she says "If Birgitte was right, then somewhere in the world a boychild had been born, a mewling babe with no knowledge of who he was". A mewling babe. So the wheel isn't going to do any fast forwarding of his age.

>>22703821
I'm willing to buy it. I don't know anything about Merlin, except that he's an old wizard. Their names are similar enough, and Thom knows how to eat fire.

[Anonymous No.22704032]

halfway through book 7 wot
I'm getting tired of this Bowl of the Winds subplot.
It's just chapter after chapter of Nynaeve and Elayne doing absolutely nothing useful and blindingly doing whatever strikes their fancy until someone comes around and tells them where to go or who to talk to, and then you get a few paragraphs of them complaining about how this helpful person is an asshole who doesnt give them the respect they deserve
There's a thing to say about simply being in the right place at the right time, but do you really need a book about it?

[Anonymous No.22704041]

>>22702584
Must be an IQ thing.

[Anonymous No.22704309]

>>22703375
>Jordan retconned Taim's true identity when people figured it out because he was kind of a cunt like that
>spite retcons
Nothing makes me lose respect for an author like the need to have an aha moment.

[Anonymous No.22704316]

Reddit: the thread.

[Anonymous No.22704331]

>>22704309
Well the Taim = Demandred thing was written on a note found in Jordan's office, which means it wasn't part of the character's inception but rather a 1AM genius idea he had to look into possibly implementing.

[Anonymous No.22704457]

>>22703875
No.

[Anonymous No.22704464]

>>22704457
Yeah I figured but thought I should ask. It was fun while it was good. Moorcock needs to slow the fuck down and let the reader digest some the crazy shit he's flinging at people.

[Anonymous No.22704471]

>>22702783
>Holy toxic masculinity, Batman

[Anonymous No.22704480]

>>22702627
Conan
The Broken Sword
The Swords Trilogy
The Deep
Book of the New Sun
Assassins Apprentice
Song of Ice and Fire
Second Apocalypse

[Anonymous No.22704484]

>>22702627
The Dying Earth
Gormenghast
Book of the New Sun
Second Apocalypse
Conan

[Anonymous No.22704487]

>>22703875
Corum has always been the superior series

[Anonymous No.22704489]

Saw this massive collection of Analog Science Fiction at a local antique shop. If only I had the time to read them.

[Anonymous No.22704655]

>>22704480
>The Deep
Sorry, can you be more precise?

[Anonymous No.22704670]

>>22704655
NTA but it isn't a series, just a weird as fuck novella. I'd recommend it.

[Anonymous No.22704750]

>>22703875
unironically filtered

[Anonymous No.22704765]

>>22703875
I like Elric but read Hawkmoon instead

[Anonymous No.22704770]

I wanna fuck Moiraine

[Anonymous No.22704841]

>>22704655
By John Crowley

[Anonymous No.22704853]

I want to start Revelation Space

[Anonymous No.22704869]

Just started Revelation Space. What am i in for /lit/bros???

[Anonymous No.22704880]

>>22704869
The universe dies at the end

[Anonymous No.22704929]

>>22704869
Overly long descriptions about things and pretty cool space ship body horror kino

[Anonymous No.22704930]

>>22704765
Yeah I'm gonna finish it because Elric is a good character still
>>22704750
What did you enjoy about it, anon? I like how it's Elric distracting himself from his melancholy by chasing down an enemy for petty revenge, but there's no build up to any of the action or story. Everything feels like video game quests being knocked out in quick succession. I still like the world, but the pacing is fucked.

[Anonymous No.22704943]

>>22704930
>but the pacing is fucked.
Pacing in old pulp is always like that.

[Anonymous No.22704995]

>>22704943
That's fair, but I'd say these stories are faster than most including other Elric stories. Maybe it's just the constant deus ex machina spells staring to wear on me. I also realize that these are stand alone stories re formatted into a book series, so that's effecting my perspective.

[Anonymous No.22705002]

>>22704943
Totally wrong. Completely ignorant.

[Anonymous No.22705021]

>>22704929
I do love me big dumb space ships

[Anonymous No.22705048]

>>22704770
For me, it's Moghedien. I had a dream the other week where for some reason I was trying to save her. Woke up feeling a bit confused. I haven't finished the series yet, I assume she dies, I hope it's at least not balefire so she can be spun out again and live a happier life

[Anonymous No.22705049]

>>22704943
No it isn't, you retarded faggot.

[Anonymous No.22705064]

>>22705002
>>22705049
Calm down bakker

[Anonymous No.22705103]

>>22705021
You're gonna love the Nostalgia for Infinity then, thing is fucking massive and imo where all the cool stuff happens in the story until the end

[Anonymous No.22705123]

>>22704930
>What did you enjoy about it, anon?
Tbh I like any team up kino where the Eternal Champions link up, so I'm biased towards TVT and SotSoF

[Anonymous No.22705140]

>>22705002
>>22705049
He's totally right.

[Anonymous No.22705158]

I'm gonna need some sci fi comedy other than hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, because I have read that already.

[Anonymous No.22705166]

>>22705158
it's 40k so I can understand if that turns you off, but the Ciaphas Cain series is pretty good, or at least the first 5 or 7 books. I haven't read any of the later stuff yet.

[Anonymous No.22705169]

>>22705123
Yeah I really enjoyed SotSoF, but the eternal warrior stuff wasn't as interesting in TVT. The book also has too much focus on Theleb K'aarna. I get why Elric is after him, but he comes off as generic since we spend so little time with him. Also
Smiorgan > Moonglum

[Anonymous No.22705182]

>>22705166
There is only so many ways Jurgen's odor can announce his arrival.

[Anonymous No.22705205]

>>22705064
t. Brown ESL

[Anonymous No.22705258]

>>22702614
>Wolfe's other stuff is great too.
What would you say is your favorite, not including BOTNS if you would choose that as best.

[Anonymous No.22705261]

>>22705182
Yeah, constant reuse of expressions and scenes can be tedious, shame the author never managed to ditch it

[Anonymous No.22705271]

>>22705158
The Willful Child trilogy by Steven Erikson is a Star Trek parody. I haven't read it, but his comedy Malazan novellas are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.22705284]

When “science fiction” and “fantasy” emerged as distinct genres during the pulp era independent publishers quickly emerged as well to produce inexpensive hardcover editions of novels and collections in modest editions of anywhere from 500 to 2000 copies. By the 1970s, Arkham House, Donald M. Grant, Publisher Inc., and Mirage Press dominated the SF&F small press field: Underwood/Miller upset the order of things when they appeared at the World Science Fiction in 1976 and released the first hardcover edition of Jack Vance’s “The Dying Earth” illustrated by George Barr. The other three publishers had been actively pursuing Vance, often described as one of the greatest science fiction writers of the 20th Century, for many years to secure rights to the collection without success; they grumbled and couldn’t understand how “those new guys” were able to persuade the author when they couldn’t.

The answer was simple: Jack Vance liked Tim Underwood.

They both shared a “Bay Area Bohemian” outlook and became friends; subsequently, Underwood/Miller turned into Vance’s primary hardcover publisher, printing both classic and new works. Other writers liked Tim, too, were impressed by the high-quality of U/M’s books, and began approaching him with projects. As Chuck handled fulfillment and promotion, Tim signed deals with Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, Robert Silverberg, Stephen King, Peter Straub, and many others. But beyond the quality of their books’ contents they also raised the bar for their competitors by featuring acid-free paper, various binding materials (including leather, marbled endpapers, and hand-made wraps), a variety of title and typographic solutions, special signature/limitation pages, additional pages of content exclusive to the limited edition, slipcases and clamshell boxes: everything we’ve come to expect from a genre (and probably non-genre) deluxe edition today all largely originated with Tim Underwood’s vision and imagination.

[Anonymous No.22705327]

>>22705258
Fifth Head of Cerberus is in contention for BotNS as his best work.
The Wizard Knight is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.22705363]

>>22705284
Yet another Vance post
BUT HAVE YOU READ WOLFE????????????????????????????????

[Anonymous No.22705365]

>>22705158
I thought "The Sirens Of Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut came across like a bitter, cynical Douglas Adams.

[Anonymous No.22705449]

>>22705158
Stainless Steel Rat
Jokes don't always land but some of the ones that do are exceptional.

[Anonymous No.22705463]

>>22705449
good suggestion

[Anonymous No.22705464]

>>22705158
Ports of Call by Vance

[Anonymous No.22705479]

>>22705464
See>>22705363

[Anonymous No.22705490]

Does anyone know of scifi where someone hates the overpopulation of his planet and goes into space to make his fortune and find freedom?
but then there are people in space who suffer from a life in 0 gravity and having to pay for air and water and he has to deal with them

[Anonymous No.22705497]

recommend me some horror fantasy books similar to dark souls/king's field

[Anonymous No.22705502]

>>22705497
dead men walking and the siege of castellax

[Anonymous No.22705517]

>>22705490
"The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch" by Philip K. Dick has that as an undercurrent, but people don't make that decision for themselves; they are forcibly ejected from Earth.

[Anonymous No.22705523]

>>22705479
I like Vance better.

[Anonymous No.22705526]

>>22698084
I saw this yesterday, downloaded the book and decided to check the first few pages. Ended up marathoning it. Holy cyberpunk zigger schizo kino.

[Anonymous No.22705531]

>>22705497
just read berzerk

[Anonymous No.22705534]

>>22705497
inb4 pasta

[ChatGPT No.22705537]

>>22705497
>"The Malazan Book of the Fallen" series by Steven Erikson:
This epic fantasy series is known for its complex world, detailed history, and a vast cast of characters. It doesn't hold the reader's hand and drops them into an already ongoing plot, much like "Dark Souls" does with its gameplay and story.

>"The Book of the New Sun" series by Gene Wolfe:
Wolfe's work is noted for its dense narrative and the puzzle-like structure of its story. The series is replete with unreliable narration, a rich and enigmatic world, and a heavy emphasis on deciphering its true meaning.

>"The Black Company" series by Glen Cook:
This series follows a mercenary group in a gritty, dark fantasy world. The narrative is often bleak and morally ambiguous, which is reminiscent of the atmosphere in "Dark Souls."

>"Berserk" by Kentaro Miura:
While "Berserk" is a manga series rather than a collection of novels, it shares a dark fantasy setting and themes of struggle against overwhelming darkness. Its influence on the "Dark Souls" series has been acknowledged by the creators.

>"Gormenghast" series by Mervyn Peake:
The series is known for its detailed characterization and the elaborate, claustrophobic world of Gormenghast Castle, with a gothic atmosphere that can feel akin to the eerie environments of "Dark Souls."

>"Elric of Melniboné" series by Michael Moorcock:
Elric, the titular character, is an anti-hero wielding a soul-eating sword, set in a decaying, ancient empire. The mood and moral complexity of Elric's world have parallels to the dark and decaying universe of "Dark Souls."

>"The Dying Earth" series by Jack Vance:
Vance's series takes place in a far future where the sun is dying, and magic and technology are indistinguishable. It has inspired numerous games and stories with its dark sense of humor and richly imagined scenarios.

>"The Second Apocalypse" series by R. Scott Bakker:
This series combines philosophy with a dark, epic narrative, including a detailed world and a history that readers must uncover gradually.

[Anonymous No.22705567]

>>22700715
Generals on regular boards exist to contain things so that they don't pollute the rest of the board.

[Anonymous No.22705573]

>>22700840
>the waifu gets unraped
No, that's the worst kind of cuckshit. The raped waifu should either die or just never be mentioned again. Having the protagonist get back with her is the ultimate form of cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.22705576]

>>22705537
based gpt-sama

[Anonymous No.22705582]

>>22701345
There are aliums but they are magic aliums. They are also completely irrelevant and offscreen job to a bunch of mountain ashkenazim. It's implied one of the main characters realized he's a book character and escaped to the real world through hell.

[Anonymous No.22705585]

Fantasy that has a blonde with a fat ass??

[Anonymous No.22705587]

>>22705490
The Expanse

[Anonymous No.22705594]

>>22700715
nobody in outerlit actually reads what they talk about, by keeping genre fiction to its own thread we avoid most of that genre of bad posts

[Anonymous No.22705631]

>>22705585
Deed of Paksenarrion, she's asexual tho...

[Anonymous No.22705635]

>>22705631
more like assexual

[Anonymous No.22705655]

>>22705631
Didn't she get gangbanged by orcs in a sex dungeon in the third book? Left me pretty miffed as a teen.

[Anonymous No.22705676]

>>22705635

>>22705655
She did it to save her troop and yes, she got gangraped by orcs, warlocks and i think human mercenaries too. The chapters about healing her trauma were very beautiful

[Anonymous No.22705687]

The typos in the eBook version of (so far) the first two malazan books is honestly fucking ridiculous, so frequently you see letters getting misinterpreted as another (example: Toc being written as Toe, or the last name Orr being written as On etc etc) The books are excellent so far but fuck is it obnoxious having to check that Searchofthefallen site just to know what the actual line was supposed to say, I'd say this is the worst I've encountered for lack of proofreading in any eBook i've read.

[Anonymous No.22705697]

>>22705687
Did you buy it? Malazan's old enough and popular enough that you might be reading a fan digitised version
Although I know even the professional publishers don't have the best record for typo checking (Pratchett's last book had a notoriously bad version released)

[Anonymous No.22705704]

>>22705497
Dark Souls: Masque of Vindication
>>22705517
I just reread this over the past few days. The most your answer has in common with that anon's request is that humans are forcibly drafted to Mars and other planets, as colonists, due to most of Earth being too hot to live on. There's no payment for air/water nor a life of zero gravity.

[Anonymous No.22705712]

>>22705676
Completely ruined the story for me. I had no idea what the author was thinking when I read it as a teen and now more than a decade later, I'm reminded of how ridiculous and out of place the whole sequence was. What the fuck was the author thinking, man.

[Anonymous No.22705718]

>>22705712
coom.

[Anonymous No.22705737]

>>22705697
No I got them off Anna's archive but I specifically tried to make sure to get the officially published ones (TOR/Bantam), to me it seems like from doing a bit of googling that they're just not very well proofread for these kind of typos.

[Anonymous No.22705749]

>>22705718
It's not fetish rape mccaffrey/Lackey style but actual ugly rape, i don't think she was gooning when writing that.

[Anonymous No.22705806]

>>22705718
Honestly feels like it was put there to intentionally ruin the story. What a joke...

[Anonymous No.22705834]

>>22705048
Post back when you finish the series. I'd love to talk about Moggy.

[Anonymous No.22705871]

>>22702627
Thomas Covenant
Sword of Shadows
Abhorsen trilogy

[Anonymous No.22706008]

>>22704670
>NTA but it isn't a series, just a weird as fuck novella. I'd recommend it.
>>22704841
>By John Crowley
Thanks, I'll give it a look.

[Anonymous No.22706033]

>>22705258
The Latro books. They’re just a ton of fun.

[Anonymous No.22706042]

>>22703816
I just realized I replied to my own post like a dumbass. This pose was meant for you. >>22703903

I also came back to say that the more I'm getting into Book 6, the more I'm buying into the Mazrim is Demandred theory. I remembered Mazrim having a bit of attitude, but I didn't fully remember how many red flags. Even more red flags now that I suspect him of being Demandred.
For one, int the prologue, as Demandred and the other Forsaken are meeting, Mesaana's PoV provides us with some background to the man. According to her, Demandred was always envious of Lews Therin. That he believed he should have been in Lew Therin's place. That he always felt second place the Lews. She also thinks of Demandred as a gambler, jealous of Lew's luck.

These are all traits that Mazim displays. He resents being second next to Rand. His envy toward the dragon would explain why he played at being a false dragon. He was living out some twisted wish fulfillment.
Mazrim makes a comment about Rand seeming to have 10x luck. And I haven't gotten to it yet, but I remember the pin scene, where Mazrim was especially bitter about Rand marking him as lower rank.

Then there's Mazrim's weird knowledge. Rand opens a gate in from of Mazrim, and the man has zero surprise. All Rand could do was say "I'll teach you a gate, if you didn't catch that". Mazrim makes no response. Because he doesn't need a teacher for the weave. Rand is so ignorant about channeling, that he thinks you should be able to pick up something like traveling easily. He doesn't question how quickly Mazim "adapts". The way the book frame's Nynaeve's ability to pick up a weak after a single look at it, makes Nynaeve sound like a savant. Mazrim shouldn't have that ability too.

Rand is so focused on testing if men can channel, that he doesn't take into account that Mazrim shouldn't know how to test someone. That's weird. Mazim concocts a story about how he found a few others who could channel and they all went mad. A dubious tale. Then Rand asks how is it that Mazim hasn't gone mad after 10 years. Mazim said he doesn't know. But WE know, it's his connection to the great lord.
Also, Davram Bashere doesn't recognize Mazim at first. He denies it's him, until Mazim mocks Bashir, making him too angry to think. Bashir falls for the trick, unwittingly confirming the identity that is false.

And then on top of it all. Lew Therin is going crazy in Rand's head. At the sight of Mazrim, Lews stars rambling the forsaken's name in anger, saying he should have killed them all. And even singling out Demandred in his litany. Also, in book 4, Rand says you can always tell by their eyes. Referring to the disguises the forsaken wore during that book. He saw through their disguises by their eyes. Similarly, ran notices Mazrim's smile not touching his eyes. He's seeing the eyes are off again.

So I'm willing to believe that RJ at the last wrote these chapters with the Forsaken in mind.

[Anonymous No.22706075]

[Anonymous No.22706170]

Adjunct Lorn deserved better bros... ToT

[Anonymous No.22706371]

>>22701245
Wrong, those who like Martin are ESL

[Anonymous No.22706434]

>>22706371
spic-chan, you have been posting this for days now.

[Anonymous No.22706469]

>>22703047
Don't bother with them.

[Anonymous No.22706470]

>this is a 10/10 in Golgotterath

[Anonymous No.22706480]

>>22706470
>I'm ready to settle down and start a family

[Anonymous No.22706491]

>>22706480
kek

[Anonymous No.22706678]

> "I did take amphetamines for years in order to be able to—I was able to produce 68 final pages of copy a day," Dick said.[1]
golly

[Anonymous No.22706692]

new?

[Anonymous No.22706725]

>>22705676
Good leg strength ruined by mediocre kicking technique.

[Anonymous No.22706732]

New !!!!
>>22706730
>>22706730
>>22706730