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[Anonymous No.22649984]

Of the WWII Nationalists was Codreanu the least susceptible to Zionism?

Just so you know where I'm coming from... as far as I'm concerned National-Socialism was a complete failure. Hermann Goering's initial vision for the movement was quite good but it was bastardized by the time it was actually put in place during the Munich beer hall putsch. Goebbels continued this bastardization until finally it was solidified under Hitler and Speer.

National-Socialism became a form of Zionism under these two. Himmler was however trying to return to the initial vision of Goering's early days.

Mussolini was less Zionist than Hitler but still susceptible to Zionism.

[Anonymous No.22649992]

Codreanu + Franco
problem is with any benevolent dictator it takes one day for a bad successor to topple their efforts

[Anonymous No.22649999]

>>22649992
Is Romania still the least Zionist nation though?

[Anonymous No.22650291]

>>22649984
You have read schizo material if this is the conclusion you've come to

[Anonymous No.22650307]

>>22650291
Himmler was the opposite of Trotsky... trying to retain the initial vision of National-Socialism without any Zionism.

[Anonymous No.22650332]

>>22649999
I dont think so. I had small talks with some Romanians: some support Israel and others support the Palestinians— it takes a moron to support Israel.

[Anonymous No.22650339]

>>22650332
But the actual nation is the least under the influence of Zionism, is it not?

[Anonymous No.22650340]

Sorry if this is bait i haven’t been on here in like a decade

I never understood why zionism is such a big deal in this context. Why did all these guys care about jews sp much

[Anonymous No.22650367]

>>22650340
Zionism=forever wars in the middle east and tax dollars being spent on that kinda bs. Hope this helps

[Anonymous No.22650576]

>>22650339
It's under the influence of america (zion)
>romanians are the most corruptible people on the planet
>t. My dad (a Romanian)
Romania is being plundered by politicians and foreign nationals and the citizens either dont realize it's happening or don't care enough to stop it
The country in itself isn't large enough of an influence to directly aid zionism themselves, theyre more on the recieving end of globalist(zionist) fuckery

[Anonymous No.22650589]

>>22650576
I always thought Romania was the opposite of Ireland in being the least affected by Zionism whereas Ireland is the most affected.

Codreanu is like the opposite of Connolly. The least Zionist of Nationalists in comparison to the most Zionist of Socialists.

Serbia is like the opposite of Britain. The Serbs are on the side of the Romanians whereas the English are the enemies of the Irish.

Albania is like the opposite of Northern Ireland on the side of Kosovo not Serbia whereas the Northern Irish are on the side of the English not the Scottish.

[Anonymous No.22650605]

>>22649992
How are Franco and Salazar not the models for the Third Position? They actually won. Them and Pinochet. I don't know why fascists cling to Hitler like a drowning man. Hitler was a loser.

[Anonymous No.22650606]

>>22650589
meh, not sure about romania but ireland may be lib in some ways but not zionist
they were one of like 5 countries to block UN gibs to Isral

[Anonymous No.22650608]

>>22650605
I generally agree, but like I said, the problem is that once a dictator dies it's all fucked

[Anonymous No.22650614]

>>22650605
I think Franco and Salazar were still affected by Zionism even during their long reigns.

This is why I think Romania has survived Zionism the most in the same way Ireland has been the most susceptible to it. Codreanu may have been unsuccessful initially but the spirit of his movement is still alive in Romania. Likewise Connolly never got in to power but the spirit of his movement is still present in Ireland.

[Anonymous No.22650618]

>>22650614
what the fuck are you talking about bro
ireland isn't zionist in any way
>I think Franco and Salazar were still affected by Zionism even during their long reigns.
even dumber, franco literally handed over juice to be deported over 40 years

[Anonymous No.22650621]

>>22650606
Whether they are actually in cahoots with Israel is irrelevant. I'm pretty sure Ireland is the most left wing of countries and I think Romania is the most right wing.

[Anonymous No.22650622]

>>22650608
This is why dictatorships need to transition into monarchies with a hereditary line for stability and the propagation of the state. This is the oldest model of statehood there is. Some warlord conquers territory, stops being a warlord, starts being a king, his son becomes king after his death. The fascists were never able to figure that transition out. Franco himself literally wanted the Bourbon line in Spain to rule directly after his death, but he should have known he couldn't trust them and they'd cuck out, as they of course did.

Bashar the Lion in Syria is declaring himself king precisely because he has learned the ancient lessons, which Franco, for all his brilliance, could not.

[Anonymous No.22650624]

>>22650622
>hereditary line
again, a retarded son can cancel this shit out
that's why the anglos started the magna carta etc etc
really the only way of certainly making a country prosper is kultur, improving it
of course all forms of government have drawbacks

[Anonymous No.22650628]

>>22650622
Franco was also a Christian and not a Muslim and Christianity is very susceptible to Jewish control.

[Anonymous No.22650629]

>>22650621
nah, sweden is definitely way more left wing and zionist
in fact the netherlands may be up there also
i've heard good things about based romania dont get me wrong

[Anonymous No.22650633]

>>22650628
>Christianity is very susceptible to Jewish control.
kek it had nothing to do with that whatsoever especially in spain, who literally causted the jews and expelled them multiple times in its history, franco was extremely anti semitic, jews have never been common in spain since 1500
read a book, man

[Anonymous No.22650637]

>>22650633
It's almost as if they were the one's practising a kind of Judaism on their own.

[Anonymous No.22650638]

>>22650637
yea the caust was a pro semite movement

[Anonymous No.22650644]

>>22650624
Humans themselves can't do it, God Himself must do it. Without God humans devolve into ape behavior, monkeys in the dust.

Europe is only great because God has been with it for 2000 years or more, because it was with God through the Church.

The Church is an utterly strange beast because by all rights it should have been dead four or five times over throughout the course of its history, yet not only has it survived it has come back stronger each time. This is not the behavior of a merely human institution. God is clearly with it. It has been the Church's presence in Europe that has made it strong, and the Third Position is formidable precisely because it is the Church's political position in response to the rise of capitalism, liberalism, and communism.

That's your "kultur." Culture is merely the social effects of religion. Culture is merely how religion is lived in the public sphere. Like how all the Catholic countries have formidable meat-free elements to their cuisines because they couldn't eat meat for long stretches of the year. That's "kultur."

[Anonymous No.22650647]

>>22650644
agreed in general
religion to kultur is extremely strong

[Anonymous No.22650662]

>>22650644
Eurooe is not great though unless you count the Orthodox countries.

[Anonymous No.22650792]

>>22650367
Israel is close to its demise— endless wars, illegal occupation and oppression of civilians, fascist government in power, ever growing corruption, divided citizens, exodus of educated population, weakening economy, capital leaves the country, growth in the ultra religious parasitic population, etc.

[Anonymous No.22650793]

>>22650792
it'll be propped up by ZOG for a while, don't you worry your little head

[Anonymous No.22650823]

>>22650793
I wait for the day this shit hole of a place implodes and collapses into itself by their own incompetence and inhumanity.
I wouldnt be surprised if the Palestinians are the real jews (or Israelites) and the so called “jews” are actually descendants of some Turkic nomadic tribe from east Asia.

[Anonymous No.22651134]

>>22649984

[Anonymous No.22651564]

>>22649984
>Zionism
Lel, right wing nutjobs are weird. You consider the Jews a "parasite" in your nation and then oppose the establishment of a Jewish nation. You seemingly have no problem with totally merciless killing of innocent Jewish people as in the Holocaust or the pogroms of Romania yet use humanitarian principles as the basis for your opposition to the oppression of Palestinians.

It just seems like the only solution to your "jewish question" that you have is to kill them all. It's like a religion for you to murder every single Jew. Not enough to have them leave to their own country. No. They must all be murdered without mercy. It's honestly insane.

You are psychopaths, and that's why you will never win. Your worldview is opposed to basic morality. And the funny thing is, that the "jew" you oppose is literally an infantile caricature in your head, as is your glorious "white man".

[Anonymous No.22651575]

>>22649984
Go back to your containment board poltard

[Anonymous No.22651643]

>>22650622
>>22650644
Third positionism is not the position of the "Church". Certainly not any of the mainstream churches around today. The Catholic Church used to be extremely reactionary and anti-liberal, but at Vatican II they embraced a liberal conception of the State (to the amazement of many traditionalist Catholic factions who saw rightly saw this as a massive reversal from the Catholic Church's earlier position).

It's not the position of the liberal Anglican Church, or the Lutheran Church since at its core Protestantism is a-political or even anti-political which implies a liberal secular State.

As for the Orthodox Churches, they are just the lapdogs of whoever is in power in their particular jurisdiction.

So where is this big-C "Church" that supposedly preaches third positionism?

[Anonymous No.22651660]

>>22650614
Franco railed hard against the jewish-masonic contubernium, warned against jewish infiltration and influence, and opposed the creation and existance of israel

[Anonymous No.22651665]

>>22651660
Why didn't he restore the Carlist pretender to the throne then? It's over for chudcels

[Anonymous No.22651719]

>>22650605
Pinochet wasn't a fascist I don't understand why you people always cling to him. Once he was in power he immediately handed the economy over to Milton Friedman

[Anonymous No.22651727]

>>22650793
When Israel collapses where do you think all of the Jews are going to go...

[Anonymous No.22651728]

>>22651719
Because it's someone trying to divide and conquer by confusing incipient fascists. Ask him what he thinks of the Jewish question, he will dodge it while also saying some whiny gay shit about how people are "jealous" of and "obsessed" with Jews.

[Anonymous No.22651744]

>>22651727
America, which they already own and which is now made up of a majority people who hate them. Let them go.

[Anonymous No.22651817]

>>22649984
>Hermann Goering's initial vision for the movement was quite good
Can you elaborate on this?

[Anonymous No.22651828]

>>22651719
Fascism was always about preventing a communist revolution and maintaining the capitalist system of property relations.

That's literally all it ever was. Communism threatens the bourgeois system --> fascism paints itself as a populist movement which will address capitalist excesses --> crushes communist revolutionary activity --> redirects energies to meaningless imperialistic endeavours --> bourgeoisie remain in power

[Anonymous No.22651834]

>>22649984
Not literature, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.22651929]

>>22650605
Franco was a military dictator and Salazar was just a conservative. Neither of them were proper fascists. For Spain it's Ramiro Ledesma Ramos and Mauel Hedilla of the Falange. For Portugal it's Francisco Rolão Preto of the National Syndicalists.

[Anonymous No.22651944]

>>22651828
A take so stupid that it has actually hobbled Marxist analyses of fascism for 100 years, because it's so "catchy" and they can't resist resorting to it.

[Anonymous No.22651952]

>>22651929
Salazar was a corporatist and commonly considered fascist, and in Spain it's better to mention Jose Primo de Rivera especially since his speeches and writings are widely available. This hair splitting shit is propaganda. The Iron Guard distinguished itself from fascism while also calling itself fascism, just in different contexts. And none of that stopped it from sending volunteers to fight for the right in Spain. Nor did it stop Evola, who also distinguished himself from fascism by calling himself a supra-fascist and trying to give form and structure to National Socialism (which he admired but criticized), from visiting Codreanu and saying he was one of the most remarkable men in the world.

Fascism is not monolithic. Anyone interested in it should beware people trying to muddy the waters.

[Anonymous No.22651978]

>>22649984
All christians are zionists in a sense because they believe jewish religion and prophecy and want an eschatological "new zion." They believe jews are special and chosen and will one day rule the world, or at least that's what the bible says.
At least he didn't directly support the zionist project like Hitler did. Hitler helped jews move to Palestine, protected their wealth transfers, protected jews that remained in luxary camps away from war fronts, and gave them the gift of holocaust and persecution propaganda, which has been the greatest tool of jews post-WWII.

[Anonymous No.22652016]

>>22651944
There are so many things wrong with your image.

For one, capitalism WAS in crisis mode. The general upheavals of that time, the absolute violence and energy of that age, was as a direct result of this.

Industrial revolution (late 18th, early 19th century) --> creation and rapid expansion of the proletariat class --> great misery and suffering of the working classes the main social/literary issue of the time (Dickens, Carlyle, the Romantic Poets) --> Luddite movements --> Socialism in its infancy --> Speenhamland welfare laws repealed in England (1831) --> Chartism --> Marx publishes communist manifesto (1840s) and Das Kapital (1860s) --> universalisation of the gold standard (1870) --> Socialism gaining ground throughout the continent (Paris Commune) --> creation of the Labour party (1900) --> collapse of the gold standard (1914), ww1 --> Russian revolution --> communism starting to pose a real threat to bourgeois rule --> great depression --> creation of fascism as a response, fascism maintains bourgeois control of property and brutally suppresses revolutionary movements --> ww2 --> expansion of the welfare state to further mollify the working classes --> today's social-democracy

Fascism was nothing other than the bourgeois class in panic mode scrambling to save themselves from the impending revolution. Did they concede some things to the working classes? Of course, just as the welfare state does today. But they were NOT anti-capitalists. Otherwise, they would have a common enemy with the communists, and would have worked with them, instead of suppressing them so brutally.

[Anonymous No.22652032]

>>22652016
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't care what some internet communist faggot says. A. James Gregor has debunked this thesis and it would take someone at least 1/4 as gay as you to rebunk it for me.

[Anonymous No.22652042]

>>22651134
Shalom rabbi

[Anonymous No.22652049]

>>22652032
So you just outsource your thinking to whatever "authority" confirms your biases instead of thinking things out yourself and making arguments to the contrary? Notice I've referenced no intellectual to back me up on what I say.

[Anonymous No.22652061]

>>22652049
Uh oh, he put scare quotes around "authority!"

His argument is better than yours. You posted an ancient meme interpretation, I posted Gregor not only describing the exact (retarded) genesis of that interpretation but rebuking it, and you responded by not responding to Gregor's specific points but just giving general wikipedia/discord communism interpretations of capitalism's inevitable crises etc. Why respond to you when you didn't respond to Gregor?

[Anonymous No.22652080]

>>22652061
>mm-my dad could beat up your dad!

[Anonymous No.22652083]

this dude is just bap but an antisemite in the 30's. Coap then roap neetcel

[Anonymous No.22652452]

>>22651564
Don't cry for help when a Sub-Saharan African man busts into your home with a weapon.

[Anonymous No.22652457]

>>22652049
warra academic education for commie

[Anonymous No.22652463]

>>22652452
>dedicate your life to fighting for them
>they fight you over meaningless bs
they get what they deserve

[Anonymous No.22652471]

>>22652452
So all of your political ideology just comes down to Freudian fear and longing for the BLACK BVLL?

[Anonymous No.22652491]

>>22652471
No, I hate White Liberals and Leftists more than blacks, and Jews, and Arabs, and immigrants, and so on.
I just wish that you people either gets killed by me or somebody similar to me, or an African, or Arab, or immigrant or even a woman!
You made the bed and now you have to lie in it, despite that blacks are the attackdogs of Jews.

[Anonymous No.22652495]

>>22652463
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so true!