Is Jordan Peterson a Christian

[Anonymous No.22632748]

Why does he keep saying that the Bible is important and metaphorically true but avoids direct questions about his faith and believes
https://youtu.be/s47l1AehVvo?si=WPUDxknuyAOcLzUW

[Anonymous No.22632760]

>junkie notorious for being paid to lead young men astray begins shilling for low-tier abrahamic dialectic

[Anonymous No.22632779]

He clearly is a 'believer' who finds value in the christian doctrine but avoids claiming to be a Christian for good reasons, if I was him I would avoid it because:

-It's cringe to make your faith a public topic
-he has other things to talk about that he feels like he is more suited to talk about.
-It would create unnecessary scrutiny on him "wow he did this but the bible says this, what a fraud".
-Despite his huge ego, it isn't huge enough for him to think his social commentary work is aligned with Christianity.
-There are a lot of bad (or viewed as bad) Christians he doesn't want to be lumped in with, I know he could help change this public perception but not his problem.
-Doesn't want to alienate fans, possibly believes he can convert more people this way.

[Anonymous No.22632788]

>>22632748
He is a Christian but not a theist.

[Anonymous No.22632805]

>>22632748
Because he's a postmodernist. It is indeed the supreme postmodern irony how his impotent rage against it leads to nothing but "The Divine Truth is... LE METAPHOR!"

[Anonymous No.22632840]

He's Jewish

[Anonymous No.22632854]

Christianity copied things from Buddhism, even Buddhist terms in the gospels. Most westerners are oblivious to this. Buddhism existed at least 500 years before Christianity. Consider the following: Like Simon Peter, the Buddha’s chief disciple (Sariputra) was also called “the rock” and the terms barjonas/barpetras were used for him in the earliest Buddhist texts. Buddhism existed hundreds of years before Christianity yet the gospels have Buddhist terms. Here’s a video about it. The “Temptation of Christ” is also a copy of “The Temptation of the Buddha.” They barely even changed the title. It’s one of the oldest Buddhist stories and is about the Buddha being tempted in the wilderness by the devil and it’s basically identical, even having a nearly identical title. Watch this video if you actually want to know the truth. Again, Sariputra, the Buddha's chief disciple was called The Rock, Barjonas/Barpetras just like Simon Peter, who was Jesus' chief disciple. You can plainly see it was copied for Simon Peter. For those who don’t under this, these terms are all used to describe the Buddha’s chief disciple. The Rock, Barjonas/Barpetras. Just like Simon Peter. This is straight from some of the oldest Buddhist scriptures. It existed centuries before Christianity. I have never seen this refuted. Always just brushed under the rug.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/_3RUdW46Wtk/

[Anonymous No.22632916]

>>22632748
>doesn't want to/can't commit yet
>would need to be a top-tier apologist because that's all he will be getting for questions
>would alienate like 90% of his fanbase if he didn't go slowly like this

[Anonymous No.22632991]

I don't understand why he didn't undergo a cynical conversion to Catholicism or Orthodoxy once the men's help thing ran out of steam. The Christian podcast circuit would have been more profitable than whatever it is he's trying to do now.

[Anonymous No.22633100]

>>22632748
Watch his talks on religion. He likes Dostoevsky because he agrees that lack of religion makes society chaotic.
He's not actually religious and probably couldn't utter the words.

[Anonymous No.22633150]

>>22632748
pretending to be Christian for culture war purposes is atheism with extra steps and the very sort of cyncism that leads to "civilization decline" or whatever these snake oil barons are blubbering about

[Anonymous No.22633164]

> Is Jordan Peterson a Christian
he's a hateful, evil, manipulative hypocrite..... so he's not a very good one. He needs to grow up.

[Anonymous No.22633470]

>>22632854
Buddha leads people to enlightenment.
Jesus leads people to becoming slaves of Jews and fulfilling apocalyptic Messianic prophecies. It also leads to endless war that ultimately benefits fulfilment of Jewish prophecy.
Christians are icchantika.

[Anonymous No.22633510]

He wishes it were true because of muh tradition

[Anonymous No.22633515]

Isn't Zizek also a pseudo Christian or something, whats up with that

[Anonymous No.22634614]

>>22633515
Isn’t he a communist

[Anonymous No.22634625]

Because what would discussion about his personal beliefs amount to? At absolute best it's material for cheap gotcha smear journalism which the man is already well accustomed to. His personal beliefs aren't a meaningful subject of interrogation.

[Anonymous No.22634634]

>>22632748
He's not going to heaven if he isn't willing to admit(he hasn't) that Jesus died for his sins and physically rose from the dead.

[Anonymous No.22634678]

>>22632748
He promotes religiosity solely because he believes it produces a more stable society.

[Anonymous No.22634690]

>>22632748
i assume his religious feelings are similar to Jung's. more admirable than professed atheism but nonetheless not nearly enough

[Anonymous No.22634698]

>>22632760
How does he lead young men astray?

[Anonymous No.22634721]

>>22632748
His jewish masters want him to push abrahamic mind poison on his gullible followers.
Pretty simple really.

[Anonymous No.22634800]

>>22634698
If you have to ask then you don't know what the man says at all.

[Anonymous No.22634809]

>>22632788
How is that even possible? Please spare me the 50 minute Youtube of JP mentally masturbating around the issue and give it to me straight.

[Anonymous No.22634829]

>>22632760
What is a high tier deity

[Anonymous No.22634830]

>>22634809
Practices and espouses Christian behavioral doctrine, doesn't touch the theological dogma.
"Christianity is true" is being said in a Jungian sense; i.e. that the moral and ethical doctrines are psychologically sensible and fulfilling to most human minds because they correctly align with and build upon the shape-language of human thinking. There is consequentialism underpinning the morality, for example.

[Anonymous No.22634832]

>>22632748
Yes, but he wishes he was a jew

[Anonymous No.22634844]

[Anonymous No.22634856]

>>22634830
...but the entire Good News is that man became God and is a bridge to God, and that we can now reach God in mystical union. The Kingdom of Heaven is here/within.

What is the point of Christianity without God? Even Saint Paul says this is nonsense.

To quote Saint Irenenius: "God became man that man might become God."

[Anonymous No.22634865]

>>22634856
>But Peterson's theology (which he has not commented on publicly) is... le WRONG!!!
You asked me to explain his position so I did. I can't help you with indirectly converting him over the internet even if I wanted to.
On a different note, Jesus was always wholly God and wholly Man. Jesus did not 'become' God and man cannot 'become' God through the imitation of Christ. That's demeaning to God.

[Anonymous No.22634867]

>>22634856
>Irenenius
athanasius

[Anonymous No.22634874]

>>22634832
Subjunctive mood, bro.

[Anonymous No.22634882]

>>22634830
hmm interesting. I agree with the moral and ethical grounding that comes from following the teachings of the Bible. I just cant get over the lack of a belief in God. I mean doesn't that mean he could just change religious hats? Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, and (arguably) Islam all seem to inform one another in moral and ethical lessons so does he (or could he) consider himself all those as well? My confusion is in the label and the relativeness, I suppose. It's a half-in, half-out position that sounds ill-equipped for someone to have a serious faith in a religious doctrine.

[Anonymous No.22634883]

>>22632748
>you have to be a Christian to talk about the Bible, white man
Sorry, Rabbi Transtrender
Book is a book despite what you say about the book

[Anonymous No.22634884]

>>22634867
He's quoting the other.

>>22634865
The Incarnation happens in time. And it's not demeaning, it's exactly what Christ talks about and Saint John and Saint Paul. "Let them be one in me as I am one in you." "It is not I that live but Christ in me," "live in the fullness of God." E.g. what Saint John of the Cross talks about in the Dark Night of the Soul, or what the Cloud of Unknowing gets into, contemplation that is union, Pseudo Dionysus, etc.

It's not about union not some sort of power trip fantasy that demeans.

[Anonymous No.22634886]

>>22634874
Shieeeet

[Anonymous No.22634901]

>>22634884
Your veneration of later saints has clouded your judgment of the text of the Gospel itself imho but I'm not going to larp as if I'm educated enough in what I'm assuming is Catholic catechism to argue with you.

>>22634882
I don't see a reason to automatically assume Peterson is playing Pascal's wager just because he does not formally and publicly speak on his personal beliefs. There's the management of his public persona to consider and you can't pretend he hasn't been widely interrogated and attacked over every little topic he speaks on, usually with no regard for his actual ideas or words.
But also it seems to me that Peterson is not a cultural or theological relativist. The basis for his adoption of Christian moral and ethical doctrines is because Christian morality and ethics measures up extremely favorably to the other religions of the world and has produced a historically superior society. And anyways he certainly knows of Jung's warnings against participation mystique so he's not going to larp as some new-age Buddhist; doing so would all but amount to retreating into childlike delusion.

[Anonymous No.22634918]

>>22632748
>the bible is true because it says so in the bible
he's a moron

[Anonymous No.22635000]

>>22634886

[Anonymous No.22635002]

>>22632748

Based. Can't wait for his Catholic conversion to come out.

[Anonymous No.22635094]

>>22632854
http://jesusisbuddha.com/CLT.html

Yeah, this is the kind of schizo shit I expected.

[Anonymous No.22635384]

>>22632748
He is an unsubtle crypto-Christian. He will say everything but explicitly say he is a Christian. Possibly for reasons related to optics and politics. What man who is not a Christian would burst into tears talking about Jesus? He also does those Bible study youtube videos now which feature the degenerate tribe member Prager who most Catholics are disgusted by.

[Anonymous No.22635412]

>>22635384
>What man who is not a Christian would burst into tears talking about Jesus?
A charlatan.

[Anonymous No.22635413]

This week on Jordan mumbles and cries with some jew

[Anonymous No.22635432]

>>22633515
he's an atheist, he doesn't believe in god, now having said that we all are cultural judeo-christians/humanists anyway

[Anonymous No.22635437]

>>22634634
>to not be tortured for eternity you have to accept the supernatural parts
basically you're asking to deny reality, can't someone make a new bible without the obvious lies?

[Anonymous No.22635715]

>>22634800
Anon get some help. This obsession with jews isn't healthy.

[Anonymous No.22635731]

>>22635437
If you think that stuff is supernatural and not real then hell is supernatural and not real so it doesn't matter. Doesn't make sense to believe in hell but not things like you said

[Anonymous No.22635735]

Jordan is the river that runs through Israel.
Peterson refers to the son of Peter, who was a Jewish man who become a follower of Jesus.

Jordan Peterson are essentially both Jewish names. Yet, is what he says actually wrong? Even if he is Jewish, what of it? Where is he technically incorrect? What true flaw does he actually have that would hurt anyone?

[Anonymous No.22635736]

>>22635735
He gives advice to young men even though he couldn't raise his own daughter right, pretty condemning

[Anonymous No.22635742]

>>22635736

Yes, but is his advice actually bad?

The Jordan River is a river that runs through Israel, and he might very well consider that symbolic. The issue here is that Jordan Peterson is comfortable spreading Christianity, but he himself is Jewish.

Christianity and Islam are slave mentality religions, where you must obey the commandments, and you yourself are not given power: God is.

But what people tend to miss is that these are more than mere slave mentalities. Christianity is the religion that you teach your slaves so that they obey you without question.

[Anonymous No.22635751]

>>22632748
Because no serious intellectual (love him or hate him, Peterson is not stupid and well-read at least) can believe Christian dogma in a literal sense. Yet the Catholic Church insists on the literal truth of its dogmas as a matter of faith. Schopenhauer talked about this ironically, centuries before Peterson, how religion is true in a metaphorical sense, but not in a literal sense. But since the common people are stupid, they need their literal absurdities as their low IQ herdbrains can't comprehend truth "in abstracto", only "in concreto" (literally). Religion is then simply "popular metaphysics" similarly to how popular poetry, culture, etc., exist. Dumbed down for the masses.

Peterson's personal problem in this matter is that he is trying to be a mainstream pundit with broad appeal therefore he has to acquiesce to the stupid mob, therefore he has to say Christian dogma is literally true (for example, the realis presentiae) except he's actually intellectually honest enough to not really do so, so he's in this twilight zone where he praises Christianity yet avoids being harshly questioned on it.

I feel like people should read some Schopenhauer on religion, it would clarify a lot.

[Anonymous No.22635788]

>>22632748
>Is JP a Christian?
Nope, just an Israeli lap dog.

[Anonymous No.22635799]

>>22632748
I lost all respect for this guy when Mohammed Hijab wiped the floor with him

[Anonymous No.22635861]

lmao

[Anonymous No.22636170]

>>22632779
>Matthew 10:32-33: So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven; but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven
We are called to witness to Jesus explicitly. There can be no furtiveness or abstraction or fence sitting. By all means, be wise about it. But you do have to actually acknowledge Jesus as the saviour before others. And this is only right. What friend would avoid the topic of their friend for fear of offending others or of being misinterpreted? Misinterpretation and offence are features of this world - we cannot avoid the topic of Jesus out of the fear of them.

[Anonymous No.22636181]

>>22634882
>I just cant get over the lack of a belief in God. I mean doesn't that mean he could just change religious hats?
He wrote his book based on Christianity or rather, teachings of the Old Testament, because that contains the building blocks of the moral code in which Western society was built on and he wrote the book very much for Westerners, and is himself, a Westerner. He is speaking what he know, for people in his own culture. There are lots of other stories and even religious idea stemming from Buddhism and Taoism.

Maybe you should read 12 Rules to get a better idea.

[Anonymous No.22636187]

>>22635751
>and well-read at least
He isn't necessarily. For years, he acted as if he was an expert on Marxism and then Zizek cornered him, and it seemed as if he had only read the Communist manifesto, a pamphlet.

[Anonymous No.22636193]

>giving any respect or attention to an admitted textbook zionist

[Anonymous No.22636201]

He’s a New Ager. Basically, he believes all of the world religions were on to some psychological magic pills that we have yet to clearly identify and in his view, the Bible is merely the best among those at offering a magic pill. The fact that he fails to realize he thinks all this because of his liberal-modern sensibilities is just the result of his being not all that smart, but you have to realize that he’s been doing this for decades and these ideas were somewhat novel in the 20th century academy.

[Anonymous No.22636204]

Peterson seems more likely to choose barabbas desu

[Anonymous No.22636229]

>>22635384
> a crypto-Christian
Lmao. No, he’s not. Maybe he’s what an urbanite raised by atheists thinks a Christian is like. Basically everything he asserts as true is a Christian heresy. He doesn’t even have a church of his own. This guy has developed his own theories about psychological based on scientific reconstructions of shamanism, and merely tries to find overlap between the Holy Bible and these theories about le noble savage shaman and the only reason he chooses that book is because he’s Canadian. If he had been born Arab and undertook the same project, his go-to would be the Quran. I suppose then you’d say he’s a Muslim? He’s obviously not. His whole worldview is a fractured patchwork of scientific new age schizophrenia. There is no coherent or traditional worldview framework at all, whether that’s the Bible, the Quran, Buddhism, whatever.

[Anonymous No.22636246]

>>22636229
>There is no coherent or traditional worldview framework at all, whether that’s the Bible, the Quran, Buddhism, whatever.
as an Atheist too lazy to read the Bible this has been ok with me

[Anonymous No.22636260]

>>22632748
Throw Peterson in the trash and read De Maistre's Petersburg Dialogues.

[Anonymous No.22636325]

>>22632748
recent events shows that he's a Jewish more than Netanyahu

[Anonymous No.22636339]

>>22634830
So...misleading

[Anonymous No.22636362]

>>22635715
Ad hominem is not an argument. Cope and seethe and deal with the facts of the case.

[Anonymous No.22636387]

>>22635735
He advocates a crazy diet that destroyed his own body. He hypocritically argues against idpol for some groups and for idpol for others. He pretends to be unfamiliar with the works of Marx, even though he is a ''former'' Communist He is a charlatan atheist that inserted himself as the Christian against another atheist in a debate about religion. He is a junkie and he destroys everything that he touches. He has the curse of the Midas Touch and he is so stupid [or intentionally misleading] that he thinks that the Midas Touch is a blessing. All of this is important. He is trying to insert himself as a surrogate father for a lot of dudes that need such a figure. He is a catastrophe of a father.

[Anonymous No.22636395]

>>22635742
>Christianity is the religion that you teach your slaves so that they obey you without question
No, that is the slave variant that was coined by Pharisees during the slavery era in the US. The problem was that variant going mainstream and infecting the rest of the body of the church

[Anonymous No.22636671]

>>22636387
>a crazy diet that destroyed his own body.
Did it?

[Anonymous No.22636701]

>>22636671
Yeah, that sunken chest is a significant physiological detriment. It is indicative of serious underlying problems. Do not make this into a binary argument of gluttony versus dyel, like Peterson would do. He took reasonable observations on nutrition and extrapolated them to absurdity. An all meat diet is almost as bad for a human body as vegetarianism is.

[Anonymous No.22636705]

>>22636701
>An all meat diet is almost as bad for a human body as vegetarianism is.
Do you actually believe this to be true?

[Anonymous No.22636737]

>>22636705
>Do you actually believe this to be true?
Yes. I do keto for a few months each year, but I also recognize that the staunch adherents to the diet develop problems. My phenotype is probably best served with a diet that is varied and sporadic as the conditions in which my ancestors lived dictated.

[Anonymous No.22636792]

>>22634901
The idea of mystical union with God as the goal of Christianity and the point of Christ isn't Roman Catholic. If anything, it's deeper in the Orthodox church, but it's also deep in Protestant mystics like Boehme too. You also see it in other traditions, in Rumi (Sufi Islam) for example.

Some formulations were indeed treated skeptically by the Latin Church, e.g. the investigation of Meister Eckhart.

Christ largely just serving as atonement for a sky father who sits outside the world, the main goal of religion being "do good things so as not to be punished, but since you can't be good enough, here is a sacrifice," is more Englightenment era theism, and loses something.

Of course, sacrifice is very much part of the story (see Hebrews), but I think it's mistake to assume that all of Saint Paul's language of "living in Christ," "Christ living in us," Christs language about "being one in him as he is one in the father," (Gospel of John), being "in God" Saint John, "living with the will of God," instead of our human will (Saint Peter), is simply metaphorical window dressing for "live the same sort of internal life you lived before Baptism, but just try to be better and know you have a gift of salvation."

"Faith without works," is dead (Saint James). That is, there should be a process if sanctification, and of glorification.

Christ, the divine and mysterious union of man and God, is to be "the first born of many sons and daughters, (Romans 8)." For those he predestined he foreknew, and those he foreknew he will call, and those he called "will be glorified." And how are we glorified as men? We are only glorified "in the fullness of God." (Ephesians).

But if we are, as Paul says, "glorified," then a paired down doctrine that ignores this, and only focuses on justification seems to be missing something quite important. Both are in Romans 8, the one is a route to the other, the sacrifice the bridge to union.

[Anonymous No.22636800]

>>22636792
Whoops, wrong second page there lol.

I say this not to argue, but just to point out to all that thinking of Christianity primarily in terms of "moral," guidance is to miss the beauty.

[Anonymous No.22636831]

>>22636800
>is to miss the beauty
Not him, but modern observation of the religion tends to extricate any positive aesthetic. I think this to be more than an accident.

[Anonymous No.22636897]

>>22636831
It's a terrible thing. The prosperity gospel too. People undergoing depression, anhedonia, etc. think they have lost grace. They turn outward yearning for fulfillment instead of inward. They try to climb "dominance hierarchies," with their "grindset mindset." But the "first shall be last," as it is written. It is good to give up the "riches" of sensuous experience if it is a "purgation for the dark night of the soul."

It's sad on many levels. People go to yoga classes, mindfulness classes, unaware that their own tradition has a great history of such "practical," religion. But practice is lost, belief raised to all virtue, a consequence Luther himself would abhor. Not that yoga isn't beneficial or Zen texts without their merits. I love Dogen. It's more sad that the whole rich history of praxis has become mere history.

Plus, I always thought Western contemplatives did a better job philosophizing on their experiences in some ways. But now the experiential element is exorcised from practical philosophy, and exorcised from all philosophy in a lesser extent (granted we still have phenomenology).

[Anonymous No.22637195]

>>22636671
Yeah...

[Anonymous No.22637472]

>>22636897
Well, you obviously have spent more time thinking on this than I have. I just want to note that I have not seen actual engagement on JBP threads in quite some time. It is usually just shit flinging. On that note, here are his 12 rules. The mark of the charlatan is not that the rules themselves are fundamentally unsound, but that they are bait for a trap of further fallacies that are not directly found within the rules. He surely is a man of details, and the devil is in those details. The way that he says that he will not be boxed in reminds me of Socrates boxing in Protagoras. The fault of Protagoras was not that let his position be defined, but the position that he allowed to be adhered to him. Peterson has chosen the slimy route of insisting on not having a position.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aKWU5wJEdVA

[Anonymous No.22637966]

>>22636671
No. Haven't you realized by now his detractors have been wallowing in the same lies for years on end? They don't live in reality, anon. For them it's headcanon and vitriol.

[Anonymous No.22638015]

>>22637966
Do you sincerely not see that he is a wreck?

[Anonymous No.22638044]

>>22638015
Your mom was a wreck when she sucked my balls

[Anonymous No.22638048]

>>22634800
KYS nazi

[Anonymous No.22638057]

>>22637966
>Haven't you realized by now his detractors have been wallowing in the same lies for years on end?
Yeah, and I see a lot of posts that are almost identical to that one. It's like they're running off of a script.

[Anonymous No.22638085]

>>22638015
No? He looks like a healthy 60 year old man. What am I missing here?

[Anonymous No.22638218]

>>22638044
You flatter yourself.

[Anonymous No.22638229]

>>22638085
>He looks like a healthy 60 year old man.
No. My grandfather never got that decrepit sunken chest. Nor any of his friends. Nor my father. Almost no one I have ever known has developed that, and the ones that did were in sad shape. He's a wreck.

[Anonymous No.22638235]

>>22638048
>no counterargument

[Anonymous No.22638241]

>>22638229
What sunken chest? What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.22638275]

>sunken chest
>sunken chest
>decrepit sunken chest
NIGGERS THIS SITE IS CALLED A FUCKING IMAGEBOARD. SOMEBODY POST A GOD DAMN IMAGE! IMBECILES...

[Anonymous No.22638281]

>>22638275
>SOMEBODY POST A GOD DAMN IMAGE!
Okay, here you go.

[Anonymous No.22638287]

>>22638281
Thank you

[Anonymous No.22638289]

>>22632748
>/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22638293]

>>22638289
The bible is a literary work.

[Anonymous No.22638308]

>>22638015
>he's a wreck
I see the same hateful headcanon his detractors have been regurgitating for years on end while Peterson has expanded his platform alongside seeing various projects through to fruition. Maybe if you guys write another 947573028007 posts it will magically become true. It's about as likely as an MTF trannie growing a vagina though so don't get your hopes up.

[Anonymous No.22638343]

>>22636387
>He pretends to be unfamiliar with the works of Marx, even though he is a ''former'' Communist
not actually reading marx is probably the most communist thing there is. especially given the zizek debate, i sincerely believe the only marxism he has engaged with is the pitiable manifesto. i highly doubt he has read more than five pages of capital or any pages from his essays.
it is also very petersonian to not actually read and explain philosophy to people who also do not read.

[Anonymous No.22638346]

>>22632748
Because he doesn’t really believe in it. He sees it as a useful tool to gather support for Israel.

[Anonymous No.22638350]

>>22638218
>don't flatter yourself
If he's talking about getting his balls sucked by your mother he obviously wasn't.

[Anonymous No.22638351]

>>22638343
Explain to me why anyone would voluntarily consume Marxist thought given the state of self-identified Marxists?
If I saw someone drinking bleach I wouldn't have any trouble pointing out that drinking bleach is retarded even if I hadn't drank bleach myself. I certainly wouldn't be more inclined to try it after seeing the effects.

[Anonymous No.22638365]

>>22638048
The only intelligent people left in western society are the nazis.

[Anonymous No.22638441]

>>22632748
Who cares? Religions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And while the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people who do not already believe, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife.

And NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

As this NDEr described their NDE:

>"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

>muh brain chemistry

Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

>muh DMT causes it

Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

[Anonymous No.22638489]

A lot of non-Christians, especially those who grew up in Christendom, respect the moral teaching of Jesus, appreciate the wisdom and literary value of the Bible, and engage with literature and culture which is deeply Christian in outlook and reference points. And a lot of people accept Christianity but in such a non-literal way that calling themselves "Christian" would seem deceitful (if you think the resurrection is a metaphor, basically every non-joke denomination considers you a heretic, no matter how much you believe in Christian social teaching.)

[Anonymous No.22638502]

The Bible holds esoteric knowledge about the nature of man and the universe. It isn't just "metaphor".

[Anonymous No.22638574]

Someone post the pasta of the types of
>litizens
who hate Jordan Peterson.

[Anonymous No.22638623]

>>22636362
Anon I'm genuinely concerned for you. Please evaluate your circumstances and decide whether or not everything is turning out the way it ought to. I don't care to argue why the jews aren't out to get you, you can't argue with a schizo because the paranoia is as real to them as anything else. This isn't grade school, rhetorical fallacies aren't fallacies when you are talking to a crazy person.

[Anonymous No.22638655]

>>22638623
Antisemitism hasn't been funny in 10 years, the flood of unironic Nazi schizos ruined it for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.22638673]

>>22632748
The short answer is he is an athiest who larps as a Christian because he believes in the aspects and hierarchy that Christian societies bring. Honestly though, if he learned at all about Confucianism he would flip on a dime. Then again though despite agreeing with all of it's points (in fact his entire ideology is almost the exact same), he still would hate it because it is Chinese.

[Anonymous No.22638703]

>>22638623
Not him but you're clearly concern trolling.

[Anonymous No.22638733]

>>22638351
because reading someone is how you can actually better refute their ideas.
you can debunk communism by looking at historical examples but with that logic you can 'debunk' any economic system that isn't the currently operating regulatory economic hellscape with central banking; including ancap, fascist, 'third way', and laissez-faire capitalist ideologies.
people can wank about aesthetics all day and call any adherents of a certain ideology a bunch of fat ugly neckbeards, but it doesn't really counter their ideas and help to understand why other retards would subscribe to those ideas.
just as these peterson threads usually devolve into "lol drugs/whore daughter/meat coma/schizo", but only by reading/listening to peterson can people see that he is a charismatic dumbass that is obviously only palatable for lay people too dumb for actual WRITTEN philosophy and whose only skill is public speaking.

[Anonymous No.22638746]

>>22638623
>>22638655
>still no arguments
This is why radical right wing views thrive in an open, tolerant environment. Do better. I'm really concerned for you.

[Anonymous No.22638880]

>>22638574
Reminder that the people triggered by Peterson are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

[Anonymous No.22638905]

>>22638880
Peterson shills for Israel and their right to remain Jewish. Why? They supposedly represent Western liberal democratic values but are really hardline blood and soil nationalists more extreme than most of the "far right" WNs today. Why does Peterson defend Israel's right to remain Jewish but won't grant White, Christian nations the same courtesy? He's not being honest, and he's making a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.22638933]

>>22638880
if you think peterson somehow operates outside ideology you are such a deluded dumbass and a useful idiot for his cult. peterson is at best a self-guru hack. watch the SMN episode

[Anonymous No.22638954]

>>22632748
Isn't it a response to the Nietzchean "God is dead" idea? Like instead of moving on and finding something new to hold society together like in Nietzche, Peterson's stance is that it hasn't worked so far so we should just larp as Christian for the sake of social cohesion?

[Anonymous No.22639005]

>>22638350
He was bragging about being able to lay waste. I'll believe it when I see it. I see no such evidence. I believe him to be a braggart.

[Anonymous No.22639013]

>>22638623
>you are talking to a crazy person
Is it you?

[Anonymous No.22639021]

>>22638655
>Antisemitism
Antisemitism is clown tier dialectic.

[Anonymous No.22639099]

>>22638905
>Jewish
Chud /lit/.
>>22638933
>SMN
Trannie /lit/. Also, I've seen it and they literally claim Jordan Peterson, a man who spent most of his life counseling people afflicted by mental illness, actually wants to genocide people who are mentally ill. Lol, you're beyond retarded for recommending that slop.

[Anonymous No.22639103]

>>22639005
Your mother is nothing to brag about, anon. He was self-depricating.

[Anonymous No.22639110]

>>22639099
where do they say that?

[Anonymous No.22639113]

>>22639099
>Chud /lit/.
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.22639118]

>>22639113
>expecting an argument from a peterson dick throater

[Anonymous No.22639119]

>>22639110
Multiple times, probably 1/3 or 1/2 way through. The fucking video a 3 hour long rant by a filtered/seething Bernie bro with TDS; I'm not rewatching it (even if YouTube had 4x speed).

[Anonymous No.22639120]

>>22639113
>argument
No, retard. A statement of fact.

[Anonymous No.22639136]

>>22639120
There's no way you can know or prove that and it isn't relevant. You're just dodging uncomfortable questions. You don't do it with the leftcucks because their arguments are so fucking stupid and void of realty to begin with. Try again, refute>>22638905

I'm not saying he has bad life advice, it's overall pretty good and many people need to hear it. But he is one of these fake conservatives taking money from jews who sell us down the drain. This has been going on for far too long, see where it's taking us?

[Anonymous No.22639140]

>>22639110
Lol, I ended up putting it on to see if I could find it quickly. I'm at the part were he mindless defends the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (which did shit like attempt testicle transplants, which resulted in castration and sometimes death, to see if it would transfer homo/heterosexuality to the recipients). I can't believe retards actually take this guy seriously.

[Anonymous No.22639147]

>>22639136
I don't like to engage with chuds because you're all retards and it's trying to move past your self-indoctrination is a largely pointless endeavor. The simple answer is he doesn't prioritize criticisms of Israel because he doesn't believe in a multi-millennia international conspiracy headed by Jews. He sees a rise in anti-Semitism as indicative of reactionary politics that have lead to horrendous historical outcomes (inb4 holocaust didn't happen). It's that simple. If you want I'll post the pasta.

[Anonymous No.22639173]

>>22639147
>He sees a rise in anti-Semitism as indicative of reactionary politics that have lead to horrendous historical outcomes
Yeah I hate horrendous historical outcomes like the state sanctioned murder and displacement of innocent people.

[Anonymous No.22639179]

>>22632840
This.

[Anonymous No.22639183]

>>22632779
Based on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmNSlF7lcaw, when he says something like "I act as if god exists", I formed the opinion that he does not believe in god, but doesn't want to alienate his Christian followers.

[Anonymous No.22639190]

He is obviously Jewish by blood, but likely raised Christian, became an atheist, then reverted to Judaism-lite, in the re-reformed sense due to living in a scientific era, and then decided to target Christians and right-wing Aryans because that was the demographic he wanted to influence.

His very name references Jewish people and places, such as the Jordan River, and Peterson, being a son of Peter, who was a Jewish apostle of Jesus.

Whether or not this makes him bad is irrelevant, because that would be racist. What he is doing is clearly speaking Christian lines, but he himself is Jewish, which is the Old Testament + Talmud, with knowledge, but not belief, of the New Testament.

[Anonymous No.22639192]

>>22639173
>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:
There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).

Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.

[Anonymous No.22639198]

>>22639192

The issue though is that if you're technically incorrect, then your deliberate ignorance of the truth should lead you to be the one who requires psychological therapy.

[Anonymous No.22639211]

>>22639198

[Anonymous No.22639232]

>>22639147
>He sees a rise in anti-Semitism as indicative of reactionary politics that have lead to horrendous historical outcomes
How about the genocides that the Jews brag about? There is no consistency. The Jews get a writeoff for genocide, but it is bad for other people.

[Anonymous No.22639262]

>>22639192
I don't know why you wrote up that spiel in response to my poking fun at the Jews themselves literally being the ones killing innocents at the moment, not some ghost of hitler rising from the grave to pull another 600 billion.

[Anonymous No.22639286]

>>22639262
>I don't know why you wrote up that spiel in response to
If you were to look at the previous threads, I think that you will find this to be pasta. It's well crafted enough to look a little like a real response, but it is not. Further, they are playing ''the Jew cries in pain as he strikes you'' routine by saying that we are the ones hashing the same old irrelevant tripe, while that is what they are doing, and they are just ignoring irrefutable points by claiming a moral high ground above the argument. Papa Jordan would be proud.

[Anonymous No.22639303]

>>22639147
>The simple answer is he doesn't prioritize criticisms of Israel because he doesn't believe in a multi-millennia international conspiracy headed by Jews
Ah ok, so anybody who criticizes Israel or asks why 74% of Biden's cabinet is jewish is just a crazy weirdo who believes in wacky conspiracy theories, according to you?
>He sees a rise in anti-Semitism as indicative of reactionary politics that have lead to horrendous historical outcomes (inb4 holocaust didn't happen
Now you're equating criticism of Israel with "anti-Semitism". Why?
> It's that simple.
No it isn't. You haven't addressed the actual issue. You've skirted around it and can't remain consistent. You never addressed the fact that Peterson will passionately defend Israel all day long, it supposedly being a bastion of liberal-democracy, despite it in reality being a blood and soil ethnostate, which is the exact type of thing that you just said leads to "horrendous historical outcomes" (lol). What is happening in Palestine right now? or, following the logic you/Peterson use for the Jews, the Nazis were completely justified in their actions. Judaism was seen as an existential threat to Germany, as Palestine is seen as an existential threat to Israel. Why the inconsistency here?

And because Germans once tried to fight back against the supposed progress of history (now you're taking up a liberal/leftist historical narrative) no other White ethnicity are allowed to maintain their own identity? do you understand how absurd and anti-White that sounds?

So this position is untenable when you truly dig in to it. Peterson claims to only care about the truth but he won't confront these issues, he takes a lot of money from jews and is fundamentally liberal when it comes to race (at least in the West - for Israel he is vehemently ethnonationalistic!).

[Anonymous No.22639324]

>>22639232
Exactly. Jews also think they are the only people allowed to preserve their heritage/identity. They undermine White identity at every chance they get, and say that preserving your own people causes genocide, but then if people apply these same standards to them, they call you evil (anti-semitic, nazi, etc.). It's hilarious to see centrists like Peterson using hardline ethnonat arguments to defend Israel, while also calling it a bastion of Western liberal-democracy. I've seen that asshole Dan Carlin, who says allowing fast-breeding Muslims into a Jewish democracy will eventually lead to the Jews not having a voice, therefor it's not a good thing (the exact argument the far right makes for White countries, except if you talk about it in that context you're an evil White supremacist)....the Jews are the most supremacist race probably ever, see the way their Rabbis call non-Jews cattle in the Talmud, saying the fingernail of a Jew is worth 1 million goyim (i.e., non-Jew cows), or how stealing from or killing the goyim isn't stealing or killing, etc..

People taking Peterson's side of the argument really just don't know what they're talking about, it's hard to blame them since talking about this stuff will get you banned off the mainline internet.

[Anonymous No.22639404]

>>22639303
>Ah ok, so anybody who criticizes Israel or asks why 74% of Biden's cabinet is jewish is just a crazy weirdo who believes in wacky conspiracy theories, according to you?
Do you know what a strawman is?
>Now you're equating criticism of Israel with "anti-Semitism". Why?
Guess not because I did no such thing. Predictable you'd assume such though.
>You haven't addressed the actual issue.
Stopped reading there because I did. Again, Jordan Peterson doesn't buy into your conspiracy theory about Jews. It's that simple, autist. I know you're an idiot so I'll tell you something non-autists intuitively know: people see the world in different ways. In Peterson's view anti-Semitism, of which, like it or not, your fascination is a signifier, is indicative of reactionary politics that tend to precede horrendous outcomes. He doesn't view Hitler as a hero to his people and he doesn't subscribe to the idea that Jews are responsible for all of society's ills. In his view you're unthinking reactionaries who reflexively target their vindictive angst and resentment toward a scapegoat. It's very lowly and ugly. In fact, I'll teach you something else; you want to know the real reason it's hard to criticise Jews/Israel? Because idiots like yourself are the loudest voices and it's understandable, not necessarily fair but understandable, that anyone who associates with you should be ostracized. You're a cancer, anon. A blight on humanity.

[Anonymous No.22639413]

>>22639286
>It's well crafted enough to look a little like a real response, but it is not.
The reason it works as a response is because you idiots are very predictable and always use the same arguments. This is also the reason the pastas upset you (i.e. they hit their mark).

[Anonymous No.22639450]

>>22639413
>the reason the pastas upset you
I just do not engage them. Pasta do not deserve engagement.

[Anonymous No.22639455]

>>22633515
No, he believes some guy's interpretation of the New Testament that says Jesus preached a purely earthly kingdom and didn't care about heaven. Also some nonsense about Jesus becoming an atheist.

[Anonymous No.22639498]

>>22639450
>I'm not upset
Thanks for letting me know.
>or engaging
Lol

[Anonymous No.22640297]

>>22639498
>Thanks for letting me know.
No problem.

[Anonymous No.22640331]

>>22632779
He who confesses me before others, I will confess before my Father in Heave. He who is ashamed of me before others, I will be ashamed of him before my Father in Heave.

[Anonymous No.22640335]

>>22632854

are you a Buddhist?

[Anonymous No.22640370]

Good God this guy is pathetic

[Anonymous No.22640514]

>>22632748
The New Testament is explicitly antisemitic.
Peterson can't endorse.

[Anonymous No.22640528]

>>22632748
>lived long enough to see atheism become so mainstream, Christian/theistic apologetics are the new pseudo-intellectual contrarian hotness
wew lad

[Anonymous No.22640720]

>>22632748
Because he is a white man with whote man incentives. Now print a new bible and give us 2000 years of heritage and linguistic legacy to exist in an economy otherwise right now! This is why I am "Buddhist" (looking for an Asian paycheck)

[Anonymous No.22640724]

>>22639303
>Now you're equating criticism of Israel with "anti-Semitism". Why?
Braindead stupid to say otherwise

[Anonymous No.22640764]

>>22640724
>subscribing to the antisemitism dialectic

[Anonymous No.22640837]

>>22640297
Good thing you don't mind assuring strangers, who most certainly care about your emotional state, you're not upset. Makes you seem like a real winner.

[Anonymous No.22640920]

>>22640764
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22640933]

>>22639147
you dont have to be antisemitic to be an anti-zionist, has JBP been critical of israel ever?
even fucking leftists can criticize israel without resorting to da joos.

[Anonymous No.22640943]

>>22632748
Jordan Pedoson

[Anonymous No.22640985]

he is, but he is so infected with academic intellectualism mind aids that he denies Christ because it's not fashionable. With all his talk of 'tell the truth no matter what' it's really hypocritical to argue semantics when asked if he believes.
>>22632779
>-It's cringe to make your faith a public topic
nah
https://youtu.be/kuunn2KNjeU

[Anonymous No.22641007]

>>22640985
>because its not fashionable
Because no one believes the Earth is 5000 years old without it being a fashion statement

[Anonymous No.22641082]

>>22635751
>Schopenhauer talked about this ironically, centuries before Peterson, how religion is true in a metaphorical sense, but not in a literal sense
this is how pagans and new age spiritualists operate, and look at the state of them. Extracting any value from religion requires you to believe it truly and literately, especially Christianity with its complicated ideas of sacrifice and love. Abstracting it erodes it into a lecture's theme instead of the utmost ideal meaning of the universe, so you get these academics that don't really believe anything. You put a gun to peterson's head and ask what he believes in he will ask you what you mean by belief.

[Anonymous No.22641123]

>>22640837
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.22641131]

>>22640920
Why would one constrain one's self within such a dialectic that is specifically tailored for containing the position of one participant in a discussion within the dialectic of the other?
>>22639021

[Anonymous No.22641151]

>>22632748
He's right. The bible is 100% correct in that it explains the structure of reality and how to behave in it. The problem is that most christians are retarded as fuck and don't even try to make sense of what they're reading. Hell, I'm convinced most christians haven't even read the bible.

[Anonymous No.22641503]

>>22640837
Please, tell me more. I am enjoying this dialectic.

[Anonymous No.22641683]

>>22632748
He's an atheist faggot who wants other people to live in accordance with Christian morals because it would make society nicer, but who himself couldn't give a rat's ass about the underpinnings of those morals. He's the stereotype of the priest who preaches his religion solely to keep the stupid masses in line, except he can't even commit to at least pretend to be a true believer.

[Anonymous No.22641706]

>>22641683
Fucking based as Paul the Apostle kike

[Anonymous No.22641710]

>>22641131
Because balls.
Because one day the last flame of civilization will label all antisemites as heroes and all semites as targets.

[Anonymous No.22641728]

>>22641710
In the after times, the Judaic dialectic will be deconstructed and abandoned.

[Anonymous No.22642126]

>>22641683

[Anonymous No.22642158]

>>22641503
What's more to say? Peterson views anti-semitism as reflective of reactionary extremism. For him it's in the same boat as the identitarians on the left. Criticizing Jews/Israel isn't a priority, he wasn't champing at the bit for the opportunity presented by the current war like most of the people who express anti-Semitic beliefs on this website, and he likely sees Hamas as terrorists like plenty of reasonable people.

I watched a couple of his Exodus roundtables and something noticable that came up was the Jewish value of retribution over forgiveness (i.e when discussing the plagues on Egypt and the hardening of Pharoah's heart). I also saw a documentary a while ago that outlined how such informs the JDF's actions toward Hamas/Palestinians whenever violence flares up. However, having a discussion about this is almost impossible when the loudest voices can me from a place of hatred and just want Jews eradicated off the face of the earth

[Anonymous No.22642181]

>>22642158
>just want Jews eradicated off the face of the earth
Thats where reason begins

[Anonymous No.22642185]

>>22642158
No one wants you eradicated, we all just want you to have your own country that isn't stolen from someone else and fucking stay there. Half the world is sick of you after thousands of years of you being obnoxious smug pieces of shit calling them cattle and running most perverse industries (porn and smut, alcohol and drugs, usury) in their countries, the other half hasn't had much experience of you but takes one look at the historical record and concludes you are scum.

Jews are exactly like gypsies, they are so arrogant that they're incapable of self-reflection.

[Anonymous No.22642188]

>>22642185
Correct none of your jewish news sources want to eradicate jews but that there are only jewish news sources causes...

[Anonymous No.22642278]

>>22642158
>anti-semitism
This term is rubbish. Say whatever you mean, but conflating Jews with Semites is absurd.
>he wasn't champing at the bit
He's literally on the Jewish payroll.
>he likely sees Hamas as terrorists like plenty of reasonable people
Is a Palestinian military action against Israeli civilians any more reprehensible than an Israeli military action against Palestinian civilians?
>the Jewish value of retribution over forgiveness
Why should they not get what they give to others?
>However, having a discussion about this is almost impossible when the loudest voices
No. It's by far the other way around.
>just want Jews eradicated off the face of the earth
Jews have a long history of genocide. If those genocides were justifiable, then why is a genocide against them equally justifiable? If the Jewish genocides were not justifiable, then why is action against them for their past genocides not acceptable? In short, what makes them a special case?

[Anonymous No.22642426]

>>22642278
>then why is action against them for their past genocides not acceptable?
eye for an eye? thanks for proving that even without jews their spirit will live on.

[Anonymous No.22642478]

>>22642426
So, Israelis get to live in a different ethical paradigm, wherein all they do is praised, and any actions by others against them is reprehensible? That is intellectually vacant. What makes them so special?

[Anonymous No.22642575]

>>22642278
>short, what makes them a special case?
Survival
Winner makes the rules
Winner tells the story
Cmon man

[Anonymous No.22642717]

>>22642278
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
Pseudcrates.

[Anonymous No.22642770]

>>22642478
no? try again.

[Anonymous No.22642792]

>>22642770
>try again.
You call retaliation against aggression an eye for an eye. You show no consistency.

[Anonymous No.22642797]

>>22642717
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.22642801]

>>22642575
>Cmon man
I agree with all of those observations. We are not on the back end, though. Their victory is still in contention.

[Anonymous No.22642812]

>>22642792
>You call retaliation against aggression an eye for an eye.
that's literally what it means.
>You show no consistency.
with the strawman you invented in your mind, sure.

[Anonymous No.22642816]

>>22642812
NTA but eye for an eye means honor killings and similar vendettas, not self-defense.

[Anonymous No.22642896]

>>22642816
TY for clarifying my point. That was so obvious to me that it did not cross my mind that someone would make that extrapolation. Nowhere is it stated for individuals to not defend themselves, nor does that apply to state actors. The wheels of war turn too slowly to just say that something has already passed, and that therefore there should be no response.
>>22642812
Please, articulate my strawman.

[Anonymous No.22642915]

>>22642278
Ashkenazis aren't even Jews. They don't fulfill their own criterion for Jewishness. Their maternal haplogroups do not go back to the Levant.
Historically speaking, the Mizrahi were all right. None of these problems of this magnitude existed until the Ashkenazi moved into the region, who now also try to brainwash Mizrahi into becoming psychopaths.
The first pro-National Socialist I ever met was a literal Persian Jew who blamed Ashkenazi for causing all of the problems in the Middle East. He called for their outright extermination.
You realize if it weren't for Ashkenazi, then Mizrahi and Palestinians would have been living side-by-side with little to no issue?
I do not know much about the Sephardi though, but Ashkenazi should be mocked, everywhere they are, for not even being Jewish. If being Jewish is about having unbroken matrilineal continuity to Ancient Jews, then they simply do not have it.

[Anonymous No.22642929]

>>22632748
He's a Christian Atheist. He promotes a Christian ethos and acknowledges there is real practical and personal value in religion, but he does not actually believe in God as anything more than a fictional character that is suitable for narrative purposes. It's entirely psychological to him, he does not believe in the reality of God. So basically it's just a LARP to him, if a positive or beneficial LARP, but a LARP all the same.

[Anonymous No.22642946]

>>22632788
>>22632805
>>22633150
>>22633100
>>22634678
>>22638346
>>22641683
Oh hey these guys all said it already

[Anonymous No.22642965]

>>22642915
I generally agree with most of this. One of my friends read a book on ''the name stealers''. There was a region where traders feared to tread because, not only might you be murdered, but your entire identity would be adopted by your murderer. I believe many ''Jews'' to be descended of murderers that stole identities from Jews. I heavily agree that conflation of terms destroys the conversation. That is why I do not like Jewishness being conflated with Semitism. On the point of the maternal line, that appears to only be a modern convention, and something that should break The Covenant. The line back to The Covenant was biblically paternal. Do you have any evidence to show when they flipped from one to the other and what their justification for doing so is? Any further clarification on conflated groups is also appreciated.

[Anonymous No.22643005]

>>22642915
>The first pro-National Socialist I ever met was a literal Persian Jew who blamed Ashkenazi for causing all of the problems in the Middle East. He called for their outright extermination.
Tell me more about this guy

[Anonymous No.22643057]

>>22642896
>Please, articulate my strawman
you presume I give the Israelis a pass
>>22642816
self-defense is a pretty loose way of characterizing recent events no matter what side you're on, surely

[Anonymous No.22643094]

>>22643057
>you presume I give the Israelis a pass
It was not very presumptuous of me, given the context. Please, clarify. The must be some false assumption in permutation that I am making. You are probably in a better position to identify it than I.

[Anonymous No.22643141]

>>22642797
Neither are (poorly) loaded questions asked by a retard.

[Anonymous No.22643151]

>>22640331
What if he can convert more this way? It's not a product of shame

[Anonymous No.22643164]

>>22632748
keep watching man, you're almost there. i didn't get it until 420 videos in

[Anonymous No.22643176]

>>22643141
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.22643182]

>>22643094
well my first post in this thread was here:
>>22642426
and the only point I could see extrapolated from my posts was that evil committed in retaliation does not absolve itself.
>so why doesn't that apply to Israel?
it does, but you are not Israeli, so you don't need me to tell you this.

[Anonymous No.22643231]

>>22643182
I have never seen a cogent explanation of that proverb that extrapolated to state actions in defense of the general population.

[Anonymous No.22643336]

>>22643176
>Not an argument.
The fact you're retarded isn't up for debate.

[Anonymous No.22643529]

>>22643151
Deception in order to convert people isn't permissible, this is Christianity, not Islam that we are talking about.

[Anonymous No.22643795]

>>22632788
So basically just a humanist

[Anonymous No.22643847]

>>22636671
He needs some carbs, that's for sure

[Anonymous No.22644041]

>>22643336
Not an argument.