What am I In for?

[Anonymous No.22605893]

I'm going through an erotic philosophy-of-sex phase, so Paglia's book stuck out. Any thoughts on this book? Also, any other sex/art philosophy similar?

[Anonymous No.22607349]

Interest bump

[Anonymous No.22607355]

My recommendations are haphazard but you might enjoy:
Plato's dialogues on love (Lysis, Symposium, Phaedrus)
The works of like Georges Bataille, Pierre Klossowski, Marquis de Sade, etc.
Foucault's History of Sexuality
Evola's Eros and the Mysteries of Love
Yukio Mishima, etc.

[Anonymous No.22608817]

I have a huge love-hate relationship with this book. As a lover of the style of "myth-criticism" found in figures like early Bloom, Leslie Fiedler, and parts of Northrop Frye before Deconstruction took over literary theory, I think Sexual Personae is one of the last great cohesive theoretical looks at the canon (or rather, Paglia's canon). At the same time, Paglia doesn't really have much theoretical sophistication, having a naive interpretation of Nietzsche's Apollonian and Dionysian and only pointing to psychoanalysis via Freud and Ferenczi without much serious interpretation. Her prose style is phenomenal and the chapters on Spenser and Emily Dickinson are actual scholarly achievements (the Spenser chapter being published and well received a few years before SP was published). If you're looking for a philosophy of sex, I'd suggest just reading the first chapter, where most of the "theorizing" happens. My personal recommendation would be the chapter on Rousseau and Sade.

[Anonymous No.22608842]

>>22605893
Is she trying to say that Dickinson was the reincarnation of Nefertiti?

[Anonymous No.22609677]

>>22605893
I thought it was kind of fun. Think Paglia watched too much Tom and Jerry as a kid, however-- etc.

[Anonymous No.22609856]

>>22605893
Read D. H. Lawrence's literary treatments of the subject, both fiction and non-fiction.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/123

[Anonymous No.22610099]

>>22605893
you'll find out why Paglia is made for mating press

[Anonymous No.22610494]

>>22605893
You will finally know why some girls like you even if you're ugly. How does she call it? "Familiar Romance"?
*I haven't read it in full.

>>22608817
>the chapters on Spenser and Emily Dickinson are actual scholarly achievements (the Spenser chapter being published and well received a few years before SP was published).
I might jump into these, Thanks!

[Anonymous No.22610723]

>>22610099
dubs of truth

[Anonymous No.22610732]

>>22605893
It is a good book, but it is kind of boring in places, and you can still tell it was written by a female. It is probably the best book I have read that was written by a female, but is that actually saying much? I would recommend.

[Anonymous No.22611706]

>>22607355
Sade is good. Thanks for the recommendations
>>22608817
Thanks for the breakdown anon
>>22609856
I'll check it out

It's too bad sexual-philosophy is often interwoven with feminism, when the activity can be seen as very primitive and barbaric, really having nothing to do with western ideals of rights and equality.

[Anonymous No.22611719]

>>22605893
OP here. I'd also appreciate good quality erotic fiction recommendations. There's a lot of junk out there to sift through. IMO Story of O is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.22612015]

>>22611719
this gets my rocks off anon

[Anonymous No.22612063]

>>22611719

[Anonymous No.22613169]

>>22611719
What else OP? I want more good porn books

[Anonymous No.22613537]

>>22611706
>It's too bad sexual-philosophy is often interwoven with feminism, when the activity can be seen as very primitive and barbaric, really having nothing to do with western ideals of rights and equality.
Are you by any means supporting rape?

[Anonymous No.22613585]

>>22613537
what?

[Anonymous No.22613768]

>>22613585
He asked if you were supporting rape

[Anonymous No.22613770]

>>22605893
>I'm going through an erotic philosophy-of-sex phase
Imbecile

[Anonymous No.22613774]

>>22607355
along w/ Sade and Mishima, Genet is another paraphilic homosexual worth reading

[Anonymous No.22613785]

>>22613774
>another paraphilic homosexual worth reading
if you have full blown AIDS, sure

[Anonymous No.22613807]

>>22613770
Coward

[Anonymous No.22613816]

>>22613785
the golden chain of continental philosophy and art has always been rife w/ STDs

[Anonymous No.22613963]

>>22613807
Decadent philistine

[Anonymous No.22614023]

>>22605893
Everyone talks about SP. What about her other books? Are they any good?

[Anonymous No.22614054]

>>22614023
I've heard people like Glittering Images, another walk through Paglia's canon. Basically an art history textbook.

[Anonymous No.22614374]

>>22613768
>>22613537
ethics isn't the topic of this thread

[Anonymous No.22614481]

>>22608817
thankyou for a well-informed post, anon
>t. bounces off this book every time he attempts it

[Anonymous No.22614488]

>>22611719
>good quality erotic fiction recommendations
my is https://www.gutenberg.org/files/50210/50210-h/50210-h.htm
and baudelaire, of course.

[Anonymous No.22614907]

>>22611719
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Way_of_a_Man_with_a_Maid

[Anonymous No.22614930]

monkeys I am a God

[Anonymous No.22614932]

>>22605893
How can an transgender afab be so based?

[Anonymous No.22615045]

>>22614932
>biological determinism
is she really that retarded

[Anonymous No.22615081]

>>22615045
Paglia's not a biological determinist. You could maybe call her a biological realist but she believes that biology can be overcome by the individual (at least temporarily) in the Romantic sense. Very similar to Beauvoir in The Second Sex.

[Anonymous No.22615318]

>>22615081
>biology can be overcome by the individual
The absolute state of women kek

Now I see feminism is just women trying to cope with their own mediocrity

[Anonymous No.22615449]

>>22614054
I read that with my gf, it was kino

[Anonymous No.22615454]

>>22615318
It's a recognition, not a cope. Maybe if you picked up a book instead of getting your views on feminism from the internet you'd understand this.
Modern feminism, arising out of Beauvoir's commentary on Sartre's existentialism, brought attention to the fact of the body within a disenchanted system which only paid attention to a fragmented phenomenology of the mind. The means of transcendence was already present in Sartre, Beauvoir only applied it to the reality of the biology and social reality of women. Paglia is merely building on this.

From "Sex and Violence, or Nature and Art" in Sexual Personae: "The more woman aims for personal identity and autonomy, the more she develops her imagination, the fiercer will her struggle with nature - that is, with the intractable physical laws of her own body. And the more nature will punish her: do not dare to be free! for your body does not belong to you."

[Anonymous No.22615809]

>>22615454
At this point, why not just embracing nature?

[Anonymous No.22615836]

>>22615809
I mean, you can. But Paglia, as a woman who chooses to rebel against nature, is exploring the significance and meaning of that action.

>>22614054
>>22615449
Probably one of the best short introductions to the history of art. Her book on poetry is also pretty good, although she's not as rigorous as someone like Helen Vendler (who Paglia both hates and deeply respects).

[Anonymous No.22615935]

>>22615454
>>22615836
Fighting against nature is the biggest cope. Every being in general is nothing more than an incarnated loop, especially women. There's no fight here, just a slaughterhouse.

[Anonymous No.22616001]

>>22615935
You can fight against nature even when you know you're going to lose. This is the Romantic ideal as it is found in Coleridge, the figure who rebels against nature ultimately falls but this inevitable failure is the very condition of their revolt.

[Anonymous No.22616526]

>>22615935
Based realist. Women are CRINGE

[Anonymous No.22616695]

>>22605893
We'll miss her when she's gone. Also that drag queen short was pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.22617457]

>>22614932
I kneel paglia-sama

[Anonymous No.22618742]

More

[Anonymous No.22618781]

>>22605893
Read the authors she’s actually writing about

[Anonymous No.22618812]

>>22614932
I would give literally anything to meet Camille Paglia in the 1960s today. I would cut off my own arm if I thought it would summon a Camille Paglia in the 1960s gf. She has even said she was willing to date men but nobody liked her. I like you Camille Paglia. I love you.

Imagine Camille Paglia in the 1960s appearing in your life. Instead of it just being some dumb broad from a dating app, interchangeable with all the rest yet you still paradoxically have to "try" anyway, you actually WANT to try. Imagine talking to Camille Paglia in the 1960s and instead of thinking "I had mild chemistry with that girl, I think she was flirting, so I guess I should pursue it or else I won't get laid for a while again," you thought "Wow! Who was that woman?! I have to pursue her!" Imagine actually CARING about a woman beyond the abstract fact that she's "a woman." Imagine being EXCITED for a date with Camille Paglia in the 1960s, and nervous because you actually care about the outcome other than the abstract possibility of passing/failing generic date #64 with generic woman #45 this year. Imagine actually caring whether she says yes to a subsequent date. Imagine feeling lucky and happy that she says yes instead of abstractly knowing that you've passed to the next round in the vagina interview process. I never understood why men in movies cared about women and chased after them until I understood Camille Paglia in the 1960s. It's because that's THEIR Camille Paglia in the 1960s, so they actually care.

I can't even believe such a thing could exist. Imagine being able to love a woman, to actually love an actual woman. Not just be "fine" with one or "get along" with one. But to actually feel grateful for the presence, of a WOMAN. I can't even believe that's a real thing that I could have experienced even theoretically, had I met Camille Paglia in the 1960s.

[Anonymous No.22618855]

>>22618812
>She has even said she was willing to date men but nobody liked her

That explains why she claims to be a lesbian yet she doesn't date women. What a femcel

[Anonymous No.22620075]

>>22618812
Neat

[Anonymous No.22620119]

>>22608842
Dick in son hahahahah

[Anonymous No.22621051]

>>22618812
>in the 1960s
>Born April 2, 1947
This woman is 76? Is that why she was pro-pedophilia?
Because she was injecting herself with young boys' blood

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