Carl Jung

[Anonymous No.22604492]

Is there anybody into Jung philosophy? What would you recomend to read for beginner?

[Anonymous No.22604500]

>>22604492
Juden Peterstein is into Jung
He recommends readint the Talmud

[Anonymous No.22604519]

>>22604492
https://youtu.be/Z5o3NWxksv0?si=o9K-knFjs0gNK_nQ

[Anonymous No.22604563]

>>22604492
start with Freuds introductory lectures and Interpretation of Dreams

[Anonymous No.22604565]

>>22604492
Start with Freud

[Anonymous No.22604573]

>>22604492
hands down Memories, Dreams & Reflections. Jung succinctly and chronologically goes over his life, from the moment he entered consciousness to his later travels & illness. sprinkled within & throughout like delicious pieces of candy are insights & observations which serve as introduction to his general way of thinking/framework, not only that, but the events & dreams he discusses were hugely influential to how he came to his lifelong study & path. you get to "meet" the man and you can get comfortable with his prose as well . i believe if i started with any other work i would not have had the gentle introductory spirit to continue reading him imho

[Anonymous No.22604588]

>>22604492
Henri Ellenberger
"The Discovery of the Unconscious: The History and Evolution of Dynamic Psychiatry"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Discovery_of_the_Unconscious&oldid=1179798657

For the historical backround. How goes Jung into the school of Freud and the other tiefenpsycholgie-guys.

[Anonymous No.22604619]

Jung sucks and was wrong about everything. Please stop reading this gay LARP all the time. Read something actually productive

[Anonymous No.22604652]

>>22604619
> Please stop reading this gay LARP all
> the time.

You know what "LARP" mean, right?

> Read something actually productive

OP is interested in Jung. Why shouldn'd OP just read what OP likes?

[Anonymous No.22604688]

>>22604619
>Read something actually productive
Like what? Lacan?

[Anonymous No.22604696]

>>22604619
sadly, this is true. jung was wrong about everything that was important to him

[Anonymous No.22604698]

>>22604500

Genesis is part of the Talmud, right? Was going to mention the Old Testament since Genesis has some dreams and prophesying.

[Anonymous No.22604726]

>>22604588
This is a big bite to take for a novitiate.
>>22604688
Like Freud! Re: >>22604565, threads about Jung, Lacan, and Deluze are allowed to proliferate routinely, but posts about Freud and not-French psychoanalysis are relatively rare.

[Anonymous No.22604734]

>>22604563
This unironically

[Anonymous No.22604762]

>>22604726
>posts about Freud and not-French psychoanalysis are relatively rare.
what do you think is the cause of it?

[Anonymous No.22604770]

>>22604492
Man and his Symbols, and then his autobiography.

[Anonymous No.22604779]

>>22604698
Talmud is a schizophernic group of rabbis commenting on genesis and complaining about goyim while explaining how to summon spirits

[Anonymous No.22604787]

>>22604698

The Talmud is a very long, very extensive jewish commentary on the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, which is the Old Testament. The Talmud is ABOUT Genesis, and the other books in the Old Testament, but it isn't really accurate to say that Genesis is "part" of it.

Old Testament = Tanakh = Hebrew Bible. The jewish holy book. Contains the creation myth (yeah I said it) of Genesis, story of the Israelites and Moses escaping from Egypt, Job, Ecclesiastes and other adventures.

Torah = Pentateuch = the first five books of the Old Testament = Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Contains the creation myth, story of Moses and jews in Egypt, and various laws (no pork, mutilate your dick, no incest, kill gays, and so on). Regarded as a central and very important part of the Tanakh, the "kernel" of the jewish OS, if you will.

New Testament = The second part of the christian Holy Bible, together with the Old Testament. Contains the life of Jesus, other adventures, and christian eschatology (Revelation).

Gospels = Matthew, Mark, Luke, John = the first four books of the New Testament and the most important part of the christian Holy Bible. The "kernel" of the christian OS, if you will. Describes the life of christ, his miracles, his teachings, and his death and resurrection. Obviously, accepting jesus as your lord and savior (or not) is the fundamental distinction between the two religions.

Talmud = very long, very autistic jewish commentary on the Tanakh, running to several dozen volumes. Studying the Talmud is a process that takes several years

[Anonymous No.22604844]

>>22604492
And this is exactly why you shouldn't start with Freud. So you don't end up filtered by a bell curve like this mfka right here: >>22604726

[Anonymous No.22604864]

>>22604787
>(yeah I said it)
do you live in Salem circa 1690?
It is a creationg myth. Even if you think it's true, other religions have a compatible element to that real thing that happened and that's the term to define it.You'd have to be pretty crazy to take it as an insult.

[Anonymous No.22604902]

>>22604696
like what
>>22604779
>>22604787
Didn't the rabbinical Talmud come after the New Testament because jews were scrambling for a way to counter the rise of Christianity?

[Anonymous No.22604917]

>>22604519

kastrup seems interesting. until you notice he's just trying to add god by reaching through your anus. perhaps something to do with his father's death.

[Anonymous No.22604925]

>>22604902
archetypes. the shadow. synchronicity. etc. nothing of this is real. they are very real to jung though.

[Anonymous No.22604926]

>>22604917
>he's just trying to add god by reaching through your anus
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.22604934]

>>22604925
>synchronicity isn't real
can anyone prove this? Isn't it subjective or something?

[Anonymous No.22604942]

>>22604926
he believes in telepathy and life after death. and that mind-at-large is god

[Anonymous No.22604949]

>>22604934
no, to jung its an actual paranormal phenomenon hinting at a hidden world

[Anonymous No.22604980]

>>22604762
People who are into ego psych are rare and in a clinical ghetto. Women like relational/attachment stuff, academics and video essay people like French stuff, and the more woo-woo esoteric people like Jung.

[Anonymous No.22604994]

>>22604949
right, but can you really rule out the possibility of the paranormal?
It can't be easily testable, so to you, synchronicity might be explained away due to your experience with them, but if you experienced the same synchronicities that Jung did, maybe you'd consider the mathematical improbability as too profound.

[Anonymous No.22605013]

>>22604994
no, i can't rule it out. but why burden myself with an other vastly complex theology?

[Anonymous No.22605053]

>>22605013
I'm not saying you should, but that's different then Jung being wrong. If the truth is complex then why shouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.22605091]

>>22604994
>can you really rule out the possibility of the paranormal?
Yes, it's not real.
>synchronicity might be explained away due to your experience with them
"Synchronicity" is literally just psychosis.

Take your meds but unironically

[Anonymous No.22605100]

One sos vos

[Anonymous No.22605137]

>>22604492
Man and his symbols.

[Anonymous No.22605329]

>>22605137
Right in the crown jewels

[Anonymous No.22605397]

>>22605091
>"Synchronicity" is literally just psychosis.
prove it.

[Anonymous No.22605454]

>>22605397
Is this moment real or delayed

[Anonymous No.22605491]

>>22605454
I don't know.

[Anonymous No.22605527]

>>22605491
The is not synchronic

[Anonymous No.22605542]

To each his own, but Jung is a bullshit artist and a brownose asskisser to American elites including Allen Dulles' punk ass. Archetypes are explicitly based on the concept of stereotypes as advanced by Bernays, Lippmann and other bullshitter marketing/propaganda/ideology type losers.

Their day is done and now their opportunist bullshit don't smell so sweet.

[Anonymous No.22605549]

>>22605091
>"Synchronicity" is literally just psychosis.
Might as well say valuing anything besides eros and thanatos is psychosis. Just stick with Freud.

[Anonymous No.22606283]

>>22604619
why are you pleading?

[Anonymous No.22606300]

>>22604942
based

[Anonymous No.22606344]

>>22604492
His idea of synchronicity was clearly inspired by Schopenhauer's "Transcendent Speculation on the Apparent Deliberateness in the Fate of the Individual". I recommend reading it. (Schopenhauer is a better thinker than him.)

[Anonymous No.22606350]

Synchronicity is real. I've had a period in my life where I would experience them a lot. It kinda freaked me out.

[Anonymous No.22606352]

>>22604492
You need to develop schizophrenia first.

[Anonymous No.22606451]

>>22604652
>painstakingly avoids referring to OP as "he"
stop being a fag, dude.

[Anonymous No.22606814]

>ITT synchrolets seething
Looks like God didn't think you were worthy

[Anonymous No.22606889]

>>22605091
you are simple hylic, i prescribe you a lobotomy so you stop polluting society through your ignorance, unironically
>>22606814
based, synchrochads rise up

[Anonymous No.22607004]

>>22605091
I thinks synchronicity is a prelude to a pychosis, but doesn't have to lead one.
It's our unconscious getting through to the surface via cognitive confirmation bias. Things you need to resolve you pay more attention to. Should you ignore it, or approach it in a wrong way, it the unconscious continues surfacing more and more and you slip into a psychotic state(this intro to psychosis is pure conjecture on my part and likely oversimplified or wrong).
Much like when you learn a new word in a foreign languages you suddenly start seeing it appear everywhere for a little while.
As far as I remember Jung thought this way too, though he might've simply been covering his academic ass as to not sound entirely deranged to everyone.

[Anonymous No.22607040]

>>22607004
Nope, synchronicity is the result of a higher cosmological order (the collective unconscious, which nobody on /lit/ understands), which transcends the dualism of mind and matter, arranging events in the temporal order (our world) around significant and meaningful patterns of information that are perceived by humans. People like you are just hyper-rational who cut themselves off from the higher order by over-rationalizing literally everything, which is what Jung's Golden Scarab was about, it made his patient stop being an over-rational pseud and relax and unpack their psyche properly. Kinglsey rips people like you a new asshole for over 400 pages in Catafalque.

In every thread, I am reminded how much /lit/ doesn't read.

[Anonymous No.22607099]

>>22607040
wrong and deluded. jung is a theologian and you’re a larper.

[Anonymous No.22607116]

I think you should just jump head first right into his academic works. Fuck reading someone else's thoughts on Jung's works.

[Anonymous No.22607120]

>>22607099
>jung is a theologian
this is literally what I said, can you not read? kingsleys entire thesis is that jung was a mystic pretending to be an analytical psychotherapist

[Anonymous No.22607176]

>wrong and deluded. jung is a theologian and you’re a larper.

[Anonymous No.22607197]

>>22606889
schizobabble

[Anonymous No.22607361]

>>22604688
>Like what? Lacan?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22607397]

>>22607120
oh ok. good. so we're done with jung. on to the next topic then

[Anonymous No.22607433]

>>22607120
>jung was a mystic pretending to be an analytical psychotherapist
do you think this is a positive, lol

[Anonymous No.22607450]

>>22604492
>What would you recommend to read for beginner?
Treat Jung as you would James Joyce, Shakespeare or whatever you consider to be the highest point of /lit/ .
Read Jung, Read everything, re-read Jung, re-read everything.
During all this take notes, discuss it, think about it & attempt your own Red Book.

[Anonymous No.22607457]

>>22607040
>Kinglsey rips people like you a new asshole for over 400 pages in Catafalque.
Shame you weren't around in the threads where he was discussed and told to get an editor.

[Anonymous No.22607480]

>>22607457
Sorry you're too retarded to read his poetic pose. Hes an easy read.

[Anonymous No.22607482]

>>22607433
Yeah it is, especially compared to whatever retarded and incorrect understanding of him you have.

[Anonymous No.22607515]

Jung? Lol. Get back to me once you are ready for Gurjiev

[Anonymous No.22607526]

>>22607361
What did Lacan think about Jung?

[Anonymous No.22607541]

>>22604925
On what basis do you claim archetypes and the shadow aren't real?

[Anonymous No.22607636]

>>22605013
This wasn't essential to his ideas and Jung never hinged it upon actual supernaturalism. He was careful not to in fact.

[Anonymous No.22607640]

>>22607450
I got the red book from the library right before lockdowns so they let me keep it for like a year. I read it at least three times and it felt like I was on acid

[Anonymous No.22607645]

>>22607515
He's Jung without any of the brains or lucidity

[Anonymous No.22607697]

A lot of hylics always invade Jung threads.

[Anonymous No.22607794]

>german atheist bourgeois talks about consciousness

lol

[Anonymous No.22607795]

>>22607697
jung threads aren't a thing on /lit/. head back over to /x/

[Anonymous No.22607807]

>>22607697
>he thinks he's not a hylic because... reasons, ok?
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.22607822]

>>22607794
>he'd rather side with russian orthodox from poor background

[Anonymous No.22608994]

>>22604492

[Anonymous No.22609747]

Where does he explain the racial soul?

[Anonymous No.22609931]

>>22604492
Man and his symbols is a good place to start.

followed up with Synchronicity: an Acausal connecting principle, and Psychology and Alchemy (Where he posits that alchemy is the progenitor to chemistry and psychology, and attempts to use alchemical concepts in the same manner as psychoanalytic tools)

If you're interested in the mythopoetic side of his philosophy you might enjoy RD Laing and Karen Horney as well, both advocates of self analysis but with express themselves in a way that it a bit more tangible then Jungs symbolic interpretations.

Also Gnostic writings, as a great deal of Gnostic thought influences Jungs thinking, and it is helpful to have this foreknowledge in interpreting his work.

[Anonymous No.22609947]

>>22604934
Synchronicity is basically just meaningful coincidence, Jung's work with Wolfgang Pauli on Synchronicity: an acausal connecting principle, helps to delve into the concepts.

It's basically where a coincidence is so profound it cannot be ignored, in the book he describes a situation with a patient in his office, where the patient relays a dream she had about a golden Egyptian scarab, and as Jung is listening to her he's looking out of the window to his office as a yellow gold beetle lands on the window, he later researched this particular beetle and found it was the closest known relative to the Egyptians scarab as existed in the region they were in.

It can still be refuted as mere coincidence, but it is a really interesting phenomenon none the less.

[Anonymous No.22609979]

>>22607807
hylic response

[Anonymous No.22610600]

>>22604573
This

[Anonymous No.22610645]

>>22609979
>omelette du fromage

[Anonymous No.22610686]

>>22604492
The Red Book