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[Anonymous No.22597528]

Why did Guénon never speak of the Rothschild, Adam Weishput or Jacob Frank and John Dee connection...
For example why is theosophy counter tradition but free masonry is not?

Why did Guénon like freemasonry? It seems counter initiation.

[Anonymous No.22597536]

There were different strains of freemasonry and he probably mostly came into contact with the more benign sort. Antoine Fabre d'Olivet was the writer that shaped Guenon's worldview more than any other in my opinon, and he was a rather prominent mason.

[Anonymous No.22597538]

>>22597528
He repented and said "Allah" on his deathbed, may Allah have mercy in him

[Anonymous No.22597557]

>>22597528
>Why did Guénon like freemasonry? It seems counter initiation.
Not all lodges are like the Anglo ones, in France and other countries there are more conservative and religiously-minded lodges.

[Anonymous No.22597975]

>>22597528
he got some things right but he also suffered of occultism brain rot

[Anonymous No.22598020]

>>22597528
Yea I don’t get that either it seems like freemasonry is obviously against the traditional worldview

[Anonymous No.22598146]

>>22597528
homeboy got psyop'd desu senpai. many such cases

[Anonymous No.22598349]

>>22597975
He also doesn’t give enough respect to Plato

[Anonymous No.22598464]

>>22598020
I guess Guenon liked them since the Freemasons claim descent from the Templars

[Anonymous No.22598492]

>>22597528
he's pseud
Atra-Hasis destroyed abrahamism and it's spawn
traditionalism is a gross scam

[Anonymous No.22598507]

>>22597528
>Adam Weishput

Adam Weishaupt was an enlightenment era rationalist and atheist who, seeing the appeal that secrets mystery religion and esoterica had on the hearts of men, endeavoured to use those structures and systems for achieving political and social ends.
Weishaupt thought the Masons were retarded, and even struggled with members of the Bavarian Illuminati who wanted to take that shit seriously.

He was more like a character from Dune, seeing belief as tool, and spiritual institutions as a means, for making moves on the World-Historical chessboard.

I don't think such a person warranted an explicit rebuke from Guenon, since so much of it already falls under his wider critique of modernity.
I agree though that he has a blind-spot for Masonry.

[Anonymous No.22598518]

>>22597528
He was a mason and never disavowed it publicly. Some say he did privately shortly before his death but that's just hearsay.
Remember that almost all of the Traditionalists were occultists and they have an occultist world-view.

[Anonymous No.22598590]

>>22598507
He directly addresses the Illuminati as being an entirely profane organization, not even pseudo-initiatic, and thus not worth considering. It's somewhere in Perspectives on Initiation, I think.

[Anonymous No.22598727]

>>22598590
Thank you


I wonder if he knew about Sabbatai Zevi

[Anonymous No.22599126]

>>22597528
Why the long face?

[Anonymous No.22600438]

>>22597528
They were all puppets and they were all jews. They also all belonged to the same club. All of their work is propaganda.

[Anonymous No.22600444]

>>22597528
>and John Dee
How in the world is Dee connected with Frank, Weishaupt and Rothschild?

[Anonymous No.22600449]

>>22600438
Vienna was a cultural epicentre at the time.

[Anonymous No.22600486]

>>22600438
iirc stalin was in siberia in 1913-1914
and never was in austria

[Anonymous No.22600585]

>>22600486
He was in Vienna in 1913, but only for a few months.

[Anonymous No.22601376]

>>22600444
He was summoning demons with a queen so he was a demonic influence among the elite

[Anonymous No.22602270]

best books about history of freemasonry?

[Anonymous No.22602278]

>>22602270
Simonini's Letter

[Anonymous No.22602701]

Just ordered a paperback of Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrine. What should I expect besides that sample I read about how you can’t really compare Eastern Civilization to Western Civilization (mostly because Eastern Civilization isn’t as unified)?

[Anonymous No.22602708]

>>22601376
He was an esotericist bro. And the 'elite' in the sense you think of it is descended from monetary power and subterfuge, not a completely in the open monarchical lineage of the 17th century.

[Anonymous No.22602744]

>>22602708
No, you are under the influence of the occultist worldview. The Traditionalists themselves would not like John Dee. Those "angels" he interacted with gave him the vision of the he British Empire and to convince the Queen to settle North America as part of it. He was a proto-NWO figure, just like everybody in the Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.22603273]

>>22602278
What’s the tl:dr

[Anonymous No.22603277]

>>22602708
>the 'elite' in the sense you think of it is descended from monetary power and subterfuge, not a completely in the open monarchical lineage of the 17th century.

I don’t understand what you’re talking about or mean by this can you explain?

[Anonymous No.22603636]

>>22602701
Expect a bunch of mumbo jumbo orientalist bullshit

[Anonymous No.22603660]

>>22603636
There’s nothing based in embracing modernity which is a complete anomaly compared to the rest of Traditional societies which always had the presence of the sacred from Taoism in China, Vedanta in India, Sufism in Islam and Catholicism in Europe.

[Anonymous No.22603711]

>>22602744
Whether or not occultism is bad is beside the point, he has almost nothing to do with the modern elite. To lump all occultists in history together as if linked by a continuous super-consciousness is childish and no better than David Icke claiming an ancient lineage of lizards.

>>22603277
Queen Elizabeth was simply a traditional monarch who ruled by the same means as every other traditional monarch. Her (possibly) being interested in the mystical trends of the time doesn't make her a satanic NWO puppet. That's retarded and anachronistic.

[Anonymous No.22603834]

>>22603711
>Her (possibly) being interested in the mystical trends of the time doesn't make her a satanic NWO puppet. That's retarded and anachronistic.


Well it’s more that she opened that door which then lead to a series of events which would lead to this state,

Also the uk was over by the time Henry VII closed the monasteries that was the original break with Tradition and thus the inevitable path of the NWO that would later arise.

[Anonymous No.22603853]

>>22603711
That's not what I did and you ont understand what I meant. Guenon was a mason and ha a Mason's bias. Ironically, Mason's do that very thing you said: to them all esotericists throughout history were masons.

[Anonymous No.22603858]

>>22603273
https://christiansfortruth.com/the-siminoni-letter-the-first-evidence-connecting-jews-freemasons-illuminati-to-world-revolution/

[Anonymous No.22603880]

>>22603711
Read this if you want to learn something about John Dee.

[Anonymous No.22603958]

>>22603858
Thanks anon based asf