/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22575573]

What are some essential works of right wing /lit/?

[Anonymous No.22575575]

t.s. eliot
borges
pirandello
mark rippetoe

[Anonymous No.22575576]

>>22575573
I’m sure the 3848482 threads in the archive can answer this

[Anonymous No.22575590]

here you go

[Anonymous No.22575615]

>>22575573
Is starship troopers right wing? It's a fairly standard democratic republic that just doles out franchise based on service. They're not even fascist

[Anonymous No.22575620]

>>22575615
It's heavily implied to be a militaristic society that lies about the threat of aliens because it's the only way to keep people in line. Also most characters in the book only exist as mouthpieces for Heinlein to advertise his views, like the benefits of using violence

[Anonymous No.22575629]

>>22575590
>poetry doesn't have Yeats
Fix it.

[Anonymous No.22575632]

>>22575620
>t. has only seen the movie

[Anonymous No.22575637]

>>22575632
I finished the book a couple of months ago while I saw the movie like 20 years ago

[Anonymous No.22575647]

THIS is right wing?

[Anonymous No.22575651]

>>22575620
that is complete nonsense

[Anonymous No.22575653]

>>22575651
Please read the book before commenting on it

[Anonymous No.22575659]

>>22575647
I will never forgive 4chan for tricking me into reading this garbage book

[Anonymous No.22575671]

>>22575620
>like the benefits of using violence
Those parts of the book are specifically about the benefits of reasonable degrees of "violence" and what constitutes a reasonable and effective application of violence i.e. You don't nuke a baby if it misbehaves and you don't shoot your dog when it shits in the house.

To say that Starship Troopers is merely "violence good" is reductive and misleading

[Anonymous No.22575675]

>>22575647
TFW no trad pilot GF

[Anonymous No.22575682]

>>22575671
>Those parts of the book are specifically about the benefits of reasonable degrees of "violence"
No they aren't, the passage I'm referring to is the lecturer explaining that violence has solved more disputes and more effectively than any other factor and he gives examples of total annihilation like Carthage or the dodo. Nothing about moderation or reasonable application

[Anonymous No.22575686]

>>22575671
There are plenty of reasons to be critical of the books claims, but Verhoeven and his ilk miscontrue it into "muh fascism". Verhoeven spoiled good source material because of his trauma over the Nazi occupation.
>>22575647
Heinlein's worldview was a mixture of right wing libertarianism and social liberalism and extreme libertinism (he was pro women's rights,sexual liberation,racial equality, and even polygamy and consensual recreational incest if you pry deep). A Goldwater center-right conservative (socially liberal, fiscally conservative) type with weird fetishes.

[Anonymous No.22575693]

>>22575686
None of his political views can be an excuse for moronic and factually wrong statements like "women have faster reaction times"

[Anonymous No.22575700]

>>22575573
the oresteia is the only thing you need

[Anonymous No.22575740]

>>22575693
True, those were stereotypes of the time I guess. Time Enough for Love and Glory Road are where his fetishes go into modern pornhub territory if you are interested in them.

[Anonymous No.22575768]

>>22575590
>Storm of Steel
>Fiction
U wot m8

[Anonymous No.22575928]

>>22575590
While an interesting look at /pol/ around 2015/6 or so. That is an objectively bad reading list that seems mostly focused on providing an almost random smattering of selections from authors associated with ideologies represented on /pol/ during that period. The 'key' is also hilariously inaccurate at times and betrays an author who is not only unfamiliar with the ideologies associated with each work, but has a lack of political literacy in general.
I really do pity anyone that picks up 'Reflections on Violence' thinking that it advocates for fascism and traditionalism for example.
>>22575620
>It's heavily implied to be a militaristic society
The Federation from the book is no more militaristic then America was in the 50s. You have to remember that much of the inspiration for the book came from the Korean war. A war that Heinlein was very supportive of. Thus, the Federation of the book is explicitly and unambiguously good. A reflection of how Heinlein saw Americas involvement in that war. Heinlein never even so much as 'implies' anything negative about the Federation in the book. What is actually is implied, paints the picture of a peaceful, prosperous utopia.
It is also worth noting that the federation is never depicted as an aggressor or even particularly militaristic in the book. The only way you could get that impression is if you have never actually read the book before and had only seen the movie (itself being made by people who had never read the book).
>lies about the threat of aliens
Another idea only from the movie. The skinnies and arachnids in the book are pretty explicit stand-ins for Korean and Chinese communist forces from the Korean war. A threat that Heinlein was very vocal about how serious he considered them to be.
>most characters in the book only exist as mouthpieces for Heinlein to advertise his views
Somewhat correct. Heinlein's political views were never clear at the best of times and seemed to constantly evolve over his life. While he no doubt did support aspects of the Federation from Starship Troopers. It is important to keep in mind that he was likely also playing devils advocate at times. This is true of basically all of his works. The only books that seem to show concepts that he unambiguously supported are his later works; He was a really perverted old man.
As for why the characters are little more then mouthpieces. You should think of the book as being more like a Socratic dialogue then a typical fiction story.
>the benefits of using violence
The book only advocates for not being fearful of both proportional violence and the violence required to prevent yet greater violence. Pacifism being something that the book is explicitly critical of.
Despite what people who have never read the book often argue. Heinlein never argued for violence being a supreme virtue to itself ala Sorelianism. Violence to Heinlein was just a tool to be used as part of a greater utilitarian calculation of society.

[Anonymous No.22575981]

>>22575928
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[Anonymous No.22576034]

>>22575590
Half that shit isn't right wing

[Anonymous No.22576536]

>>22575576
no, people on the left NEED to be reminded

[Anonymous No.22576939]

Starship Troopers is a liberal paradise. Almost all classical lit is Right-Wing, nothing modern or created post 1950 can be considered right-wing as it is entirely from the world-view of Liberalism, or a branch thereof. All modern Right-Wing lit is simply slightly to the right of Far Left literature.

[Anonymous No.22577190]

>>22575653
I have. You clearly havent

[Anonymous No.22577238]

>>22577190
Typo, therefore I win

[Anonymous No.22577279]

>>22575590
>storm of steel in fiction
>no john glubb
>no winston churchill
>no pyotr wrangel
>no peter kemp
>no wb yeats
>no jonathan bowden
Whoever made this is a clown

[Anonymous No.22577300]

>>22575575
Borges is not right wing

[Anonymous No.22577306]

>>22575573
"The cat is actually womanly and he think he knows about it"

the French one

[Anonymous No.22577340]

right wing literature is poo poo and no, shakespeare and dante are not right wing, especially not the copium argument that they are by todays standards

[Anonymous No.22577349]

>>22577340
It’s the strangest argument ever. Why would one ever compare someone who lived decades or centuries ago to today’s standards? Makes no sense

[Anonymous No.22578312]

>>22575686
>consensual recreational incest if you pry deep

Is that not what a whole book of his is about? Im not sure its something you need to pry deep for.

[Anonymous No.22578318]

>>22575573
Etre suel est feminin

[Anonymous No.22579662]

>>22575693
>None of his political views can be an excuse for moronic and factually wrong statements like "women have faster reaction times"
>nooooooooooo women can't be better than men at anything it's not possible

[Anonymous No.22579689]

>>22575615
It has a whole passage about how soldiers and veterans should be the only ones given the right to vote, as they're the only people who have put their very lives at risk for the good of their country. I also recall a bit where policing citizens is compared favourably to the training of dogs. Doesn't sound like a standard social democracy to me.

[Anonymous No.22579775]

>>22579662
They absolutely can't be better than men at that particular thing, no

[Anonymous No.22579892]

Paul's Epistles to the Romans
Deuteronomy
Proverbs

[Anonymous No.22579916]

>>22579689
Soldiers aren't actually allowed to vote, only veterans who have left the service.

A lot of small countries like S Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Switzerland have a term of mandatory service in their armed forces. The primary distinction between these nations and the Terran Federation is that service (and subsequently suffrage) is a choice rather than a mandated.

I don't know how that sort of system would work IRL. The book shows that you can be wealthy and powerful without franchise. On the other hand, the system might only work because the Federation is an expansion-based polity that is at war with a peer civilization.

>I also recall a bit where policing citizens is compared favourably to the training of dogs.
I see how that might sound kind of fascist in the wrong context but the line is about the cultivation of radical self-responsibility which, even IRL, is necessary for a functional democracy. Fascists are anything but responsible, hence their desire to offload civic responsibility (and power) on to strongmen.

[Anonymous No.22579959]

>>22575573
if you want to read actual right wing SF, read "the forever war"

[Anonymous No.22580483]

>>22578312
My bad, his fetishes are all over his books.
I have read books like Ringworld, Eon,and Permutation City (these 3 being hard sci fi classics) with some of the dumbest sex scenes. You don't even need to touch a girl/woman to know how dumb it is.

[Anonymous No.22580492]

>>22579959
Haldeman is an anti-war liberal iirc. The right wing side of the sci fi author community overwhelmingly supported Vietnam, Heinlein included. The book's depictions of women and gays are largely standards views for their time.

[Anonymous No.22580535]

>>22579916
Service-enabled voting is actually more problematic if serving in the army is not mandated for all. If not everybody does it, the result is that service becomes nothing but a penalty to those who wish to vote, setting them back years in their careers and personal lives. The result of this would be that educated, intelligent people who want to get ahead in society become unable to vote for the good of the country. Almost like a form of reverse technocracy.

[Anonymous No.22580793]

>>22575590
Shitty list made for fags. Your (you) has been deposited in your account.

[Anonymous No.22581687]

>>22579689
For the hundredth fucking time, one does not need to serve in the military. There are dozens of non-military manners in which one can earn a voting franchise. The only aspect which one needs military is running for the executive office, wherein one needs to server in army and navy.

Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.22581847]

>>22579959
>Haldeman is right wing
Incredible take

[Anonymous No.22581852]

>>22581687
You only need navy and army service if you want to become a Sky Marshall rather than the leader of the Republic

[Anonymous No.22582138]

>>22580793
(leftist)

[Anonymous No.22582437]

>>22577279
>churchill is right wing
lol

[Anonymous No.22582445]

>>22575693

As a transgirl, I challenge you to a multiplayer game of classic Freespace, using the source-code-project's engine. I'm sure I will absolutely waste your shit in terms of raw star-fighter skill.

You will fall to me. As for biofems? Heinlein was obviously referring to transgender girls in that passage. Biofems aren't really on the same level. Or would one like to challenge me? Let's not be naive here though.

[Anonymous No.22582449]

if you accept screenplays as /lit/, Breaking Bad is period slop.

[Anonymous No.22583294]

>>22582437
>Sold out empire to protect a few hundred thousans jewish money-lenders
>Somehow right-wing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_Council

>>22582445
Kek. Why do so many trannies play HOI4?

[Anonymous No.22584072]

>>22575590
>right wing lit
>Libertarian
>Neoconservative

[Anonymous No.22584706]

>>22575590
I am the only person who has read Tarr.

[Anonymous No.22584857]

Knut Hamsun
FT Marinetti

[Anonymous No.22584892]

>>22575682
Ok so because Dubois' incomplete lecture in chapter 2 uses the same dialogue as in the movie that's all there is to it? No. Zim says not long after:
>There can be circumstances when it’s just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an ax. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government’s decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him . . . but to make him do what you want him to do. Not killing . . . but controlled and purposeful violence. But it’s not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It’s never a soldier’s business to decide when or where or how—or why—he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people—‘older and wiser heads,’ as they say—supply the control. Which is as it should be.
And here is a Dubois quote too, faggot
>[juvenile delinquency] could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so-called ‘juvenile delinquent’ becomes an adult criminal—and sometimes wound up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder.
Remember in the movie when they convict the guy for murder with no trial? OMG BOOK ABOUT HOW FASCISM LE AWESOME MOVIE ABOUT HOW FASCISM LE BAD
Et All: Cease, desist, KYS yourselves.