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22565186 No.22565186 [Reply] [Original]

How do you bros deal with your favourite writers not realizing their potential/fame during their lifetimes? I just wanna hold this nigga in my arms and show him how revered he is in our times. He lived as a shitpoor ghostwriter his whole miserable life

>> No.22565198
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>>22565186
>I just wanna hold this nigga in my arms and show him how revered he is in our times
Giving him a cuddle would be funny given how uptight his demeanor is in most photos

>> No.22565209

>>22565186
Edgar Allan Poe died, heavily drugged under a bridge (he may have been murdered). Many artists also die quietly and unknown. Most people who become famous only become famous after a wealthy person/company finds value in elevating/distributing their work, and this is typically most exploitable after the creator has died because there is less strict protections for the work itself. Exceptions are the Tolkien estate, where his son was very protective of his work. Then when the son died the IP was turned into a movie before his body was even cold. It's the nature of capitalism. Fame doesn't equal talent. It equals how much potential you have to make money from the masses.

>> No.22565246

>>22565209
>Fame doesn't equal talent. It equals how much potential you have to make money from the masses.
true but that's a little bit of a tangent no?
You can surely be successful with your books during your lifetime, you don't have to whore out to companies all the time. Frank Herbert is another great example.

>> No.22565255

I’ve never read anything from this autist. Be honest with me, dudes. Is his work anything beyond “ahhhh Italians and blacks and Asians!!! They are monsters!!” ?????

>> No.22565261

>>22565255
His work is pretty fun if you are not thin-skinned about racist gags

>> No.22565265

>>22565246
It still has no relation to quality and more so appealing tropes and brands. There's a reason why the famous books that aren't traditionally published are shit like lore Olympus, a romance (wide appeal) focused graphic novel (wide appeal) that leans heavy into familiar Greek mythology (established fanbase). Anything art-focused that doesn't rely on pre-established "fanbases" requires the heavy marketing of a traditional publisher. The rare exceptions are Andy Weir and ONE, and they write accessible, spectacle comedies. Recall that 4 millions books are traditionally published a year. Despite that, 60% of all books are sold by the same 80 authors. Brand matters more than the substance of the work. Certainly in this day and age where internet has you competing against millions. It's gotten to the point that some traditional publishers require you already have a social media with a notable following to get your book picked up.

>> No.22565267

>>22565255
He created and pioneered the cosmic horror sub genre.
>ahhhh Italians and blacks and Asians!!! They are monsters!!
helping elements to his horror, no one can deny

>> No.22565288

>>22565265
All valid points but thinking about them seemed always meaningless to me. The best would be writer with the greatest aptitude/talent is probably some 3 year old bangladeshi kid toiling in mud who won't learn how to read.

>> No.22565303

>>22565255
He's a great and imaginative writer, although he's best read as a young adult when you're going through books like LotR or Valis or whatever

>> No.22565307

>>22565255
His letters are ten times better than his stories. They are funny and witty and even more imaginative than his formulaic stories.

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>>22565186

>> No.22565320

>>22565309
Dangerously based.

>> No.22565322

>>22565288
That's fair but my point is there's no point grieving the lack of praise for a talented author during their lifetime. The system is incentiviced to celebrate talent post humously. The ones famous during their lifetime usually live long enough to fuck it up and have people despise them.

>> No.22565354

>>22565322
well the point would be to have the people i adore be showered with much deserved praise so it makes me feel better.
Probably would throw half of them off their game though, fun to think about

>> No.22565397

He had the means, opportunities, and even recognition – the only barrier was himself.
To Lovecraft, as stated by him, monetary considerations played no part in the pursuit of his craft.

>> No.22565417

>>22565397
well, he pioneered a genre which emphasize the insignificance of a single human on a cosmic scale, then perished into nothingness barely able to support himself financially. If that's not poetry i don't know what is

>> No.22565427

>>22565417
A flawed worldview, that's what it is. Nonetheless, at least he was consistent with it (for the most part).

>> No.22565531

>>22565186
On his deathbed he actually mourned the fact that he would be remembered. In the last years of his life he became an anti racist socialist and hated that people would never know that unless they examined his personal letters (which we now have and most don't read)

>> No.22565705

>>22565531
there is a big difference between being "remembered" and the absolute mammoth that is his legacy today

>> No.22565786

>>22565531
>marries jewess
>does a complete 180
Coincidence?

>> No.22566142

>>22565786
I hate that shit, she confessed she violently raped him on his wedding night

>> No.22566165

>>22565786
khazar pussy really breaks a nigga

>> No.22566192

>>22565531
>In the last years of his life he became an anti racist socialist and hated that people would never know that unless they examined his personal letters
Which ones specifically?

>> No.22566220

>>22565531
>On his deathbed he actually mourned the fact that he would be remembered. In the last years of his life he became an anti racist socialist and hated that people would never know that unless they examined his personal letters (which we now have and most don't read)
what? i've read many of the letters books and there's nothing like that unless you're bullshitting or it's in one of the unpublished ones

>> No.22566227

>>22565255
I'd say he's good, but then I see your low iq comment so I have to say he's not good for you.

>> No.22566250

>>22566142
source?