/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22563519]

AI waifu Edition v2.0

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[Anonymous No.22563529]

First. For no other reason than to deny others.

[Anonymous No.22563534]

Fantasy books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.22563579]

It seems Tao Wong is releasing a new book and it's some tower climber shit.... It would be a shame if someone copyrighted Tower Climb and strike him like he did with the apocalypse and system books.

[Anonymous No.22563599]

How old were you when you finished reading Dune?

[Anonymous No.22563621]

>>22563599
Define "finished". Dune the first book, or Dune the series?

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22563632]

The Sunlit Man, Cosmere - Brandon Sanderson (2023)

The Nomad's Skip has gone awry and he finds himself stranded on a planet unknown to him. He lacks a sufficient amount of breath-equivalent units of Investiture to Skip again. To escape he'll need to find a power source. In doing so he becomes involved in the rather small planet's problems, namely there's a tyrant trying to subjugate the world to his rule. The sunlight melts and remakes the surface of the world every day. The populace is constantly either running away or hiding from it.

Sanderson said this book was an experiment as to whether he could write epic fantasy at a breakneck pace. The story starts with action and continues on for rest of the time at about the same speed. The climax was a bit more, though it wasn't relatively that much more by comparison to how Sanderson's books have tended to go with an explosive ending. This was a bit frustrating to read because it showed that Sanderson can write without including many hundreds of pages of not doing all that much at a glacial pace. I would prefer there to be far less pages for many of the books. That doesn't seem like it'll happen.

So, how much of the Cosmere does this book reference? A lot. Mostly that's because this novel is probably the furthest in the Cosmere timeline of anything that's been published. That makes this easily the most science fictional book set in the Cosmere yet. Some of the stuff shown is definitely far in advance of our technology. However, fantasy is still very present. This only whets my appetite to see how Sanderson will combine magic and technology in the many years to come. One of the most relevant works are the Stormlight Archive, as the protagonist is a character in those books. Who he is and where he's from is explicitly stated, so it's not something that has to be puzzled out. The other is Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. That's where the populace is from, which again is explicitly stated early on. Aside from that, having read Warbreaker would be somewhat helpful as background information. There's a bit from the Mistborn series, but it would only be minimally useful to have read them. There's a few others, though it's mostly trivial stuff. It's weird to think that a lot of what's shown here may not be relevant to the main Cosmere series for a decade, or decades for that matter. Also, yes, Hoid makes a brief appearance.

So, yeah, it was just a fun time all around. I appreciated the literal change of pace. I may be overly interested compared to the average reader with seeing how the magical and technological systems of the various Cosmere worlds interact with each other. The future Nalthis of Warbreaker continues to play an outsized role in these books considering it only has a single book currently. I also like having the Cosmere in everything from now on as Sanderson has already said, despite the problems that causes for the casual or singular series reader.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.22563648]

>>22563632
>reviewing a 500 page novel that came out two days ago

[Anonymous No.22563651]

>>22563648
I'm sorry you don't enjoy reading enough to want to read all day.

[Anonymous No.22563655]

>>22563599
Who's asking, data collector? Why do you want to know?

[Anonymous No.22563656]

>>22563632
>Also, yes, Hoid makes a brief appearance.
So the sunlit man wasn't Hoid?

>I may be overly interested compared to the average reader with seeing how the magical and technological systems of the various Cosmere worlds interact with each other.
Cosmerefag, that you?

[Anonymous No.22563661]

>>22563656
Haven't read it yet but was looking into Secret Project stuff when it was announced, the sunlit man is Sigzil from Stormlight

[Anonymous No.22563666]

>>22563655
Probably the dune movie people are trying to make a poll on the age of people who watch the movie. Wouldn't be surprised if one was also in /tv/

[Anonymous No.22563681]

>>22563648
It's a quick read as Sanderson tends to be, though this time with much more action which requires even less thought.

>>22563656
No, Hoid only makes a brief appearance and not even physically in person.

Almost everything I've said about the Cosmere has been through what I've written about the book rather than discussion.

>>22563661
Yes

[Anonymous No.22563686]

>>22563599
30s

[Anonymous No.22563712]

Is Circle of Inevitably good yet?

[Anonymous No.22563713]

>>22563632
cosmere-anon.
I haven't read any cosmere ever since Lost Metal.
Gimme a reading to catch up, plz.
I only know about Tress of the Emerald Sea, these secret projects are confusing.

[Anonymous No.22563719]

>>22563666
The simplest and least complicated answer is usually best. There's no need to bring conspiratorial thinking into this. It's just some random anon that's curious. I post this knowing full well that your most likely response is to think I'm either the same poster or an accomplice.

[Anonymous No.22563740]

>>22563632
>despite the problems that causes for the casual or singular series reader.
I dont think I'm that much of a casual but jumping around time fucks me up, both on a "is this post Harmony?" level and on a "well this character will never ever meet this other one and that's a shame" level

[Anonymous No.22563742]

Bakker suck

[Anonymous No.22563745]

>>22563713
If you need more than this let me know.
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_text=Sanderson+2023&search_tripcode=sffg&search_ord=old

[Anonymous No.22563750]

>>22563745
is The Frugal Wizard cosmere?
seems out of place.

[Anonymous No.22563752]

>>22563750
No, it isn't.

[Anonymous No.22563756]

>>22563740
If there's not enough information to reasonably speculate I tend to not do so or worry about it.

[Anonymous No.22563776]

Did anybody read CYOA books? I have a vague memory of a guy that goes to the fallout-esque future, and a high tech suit of armor tells him he is the president since he is the last registered human. I don't think it was a children's books cause I remember him stationing people with no families or children to watch over a live nuke.

[Anonymous No.22563804]

>>22563776
Technically speaking Choose Your Own Adventure was a series of books that only that author could use because he had owned the phrase. The actual process wasn't though. The current owner actively sues and has won against anyone significant using anything anywhere close to the phrase.

[Anonymous No.22563811]

I read 5 chapters into dune and got bored.
To be fair I was like 12 at the time so hey. Maybe I'd like it if I read it again.

[Anonymous No.22563817]

>>22563804
Oh geez, I didn't know that. I meant CYOA as a genre. I'm trying to find that book I can vaguely recall. Had a cool 70/80's retro future style.

[Anonymous No.22563820]

I genuinely cannot think of a story to write. It's like my imagination is flaccid and I'd rather just CONSUME.

[Anonymous No.22563830]

>>22563820
What kind of story would you like to read? Write down any cool shower thoughts or when you have a flare of creativity, even if it's just a snippet. Try to included any additional contexts so you don't review and think wtf afterwards. Maybe that'll build into something you can work with?

[Anonymous No.22563838]

Any Malazan readers here? Are the Ian Esslemont books important for a first time read or should I just not bother with them?

[Anonymous No.22563862]

>>22563632
I think sixth of the dusk is the farthest in the cosmere timeline of all published books with elantris being the earliest

[Anonymous No.22563863]

Who knew a story about fucking moles would be better than 99% of the books in this genre. I've been duped, bamboozled even.

[Anonymous No.22563888]

>>22563519

I have some free time and I want to write a novel.

Do I just jump into my big world portal fantasy? Or should I do something smaller?

[Anonymous No.22563937]

>>22563862
These spoilers could be considered major.
It's difficult to tell which is the furthest exactly since the main thing is that 3 of the books published have Scadrial with space flight The Sunlit Man makes it seem like that all the major worlds have space flight now and Scadrial has bases on a lot of planets. There are space mercenaries from Threnody. It seems there's also galactic conflict. There's also awakened computers, which I guess is a form of AI.

[Anonymous No.22563995]

When does it get good?
just finished the chapter where he time travels by going down the river.

[Anonymous No.22564005]

>>22563995
For you it clearly won't ever get good.

[Anonymous No.22564036]

>>22563838
He's very divisive.
Personally I read them chronologically along side the main series for my first read, I felt like it was a great choice and I don't regret it. Return of the crimson guard is one of my favourite books as is stonewielder.
Is Erikson better? Yes. Is esselmont still very good? Yes. You got to remember it's not like one is writing fanfiction for the other, they both collaborate and share notes and plans for their books so it all fits. It is without a doubt a lot of extra reading though. If you don't do it the first time, then some of the events, some of which are quite significant, will be spoiled down the line by the main Malazan series.

[Anonymous No.22564059]

>>22563888
Do what you want to do and what you know best.

[Anonymous No.22564083]

What sci-fi/fantasy book series has had you compulsively reading such that you suddenly find yourself awake at 3am going "OH SHIT I HAVE A TEST TODAY!"?

I just finished one of those and I'm looking for another.

[Anonymous No.22564152]

>>22563995
the first chapter

[Anonymous No.22564237]

>>22563838
Read all the books in release order, this gives you the best view of the events.

[Anonymous No.22564294]

https://www.listchallenges.com/101-horror-books-to-read-before-youre-murdered
how soi is this?

[Anonymous No.22564311]

>>22564083
Discworld

[Anonymous No.22564358]

>>22563937
Well the spacefaring scadrians are also there in the sixth of the dusk, there is also 1 chapter of its intended sequel on copperwiki where they interact with parshendi flying in space by void light, there is some arms race between roshar and scadrial for the future.

As for therenody, sando has indicated that a full fledged novel is in the offing presumably focussing in the night watch

[Anonymous No.22564366]

>>22563995
You've been filtered anon

[Anonymous No.22564371]

Tattersail's tummy!

[Anonymous No.22564381]

>>22564294
What did they mean by this

[Anonymous No.22564752]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22564756]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22564863]

>>22564036
So responding to that guy.

[Anonymous No.22564986]

>>22560971

sando's works before oathbringer and after have a marked difference and that may have been due to its negative reception, before ob, the books meander a lot and then come together in a big set piece at the end, after ob, though, his meandering middle not always bad has been the most affected with the result that the middle has the least development time of all the 3 phases

in tlm for example, there is not even a middle, it starts of for like 5% of the book and then the rest of the book is a race to the end, there is no middle or development and his idiotic pacing here where the entire story takes place in 1 day is to blame

sunlit man takes place in a couple of days, row had a much shorter timeframe, the fifth sa has a timeframe of only 10 days, the time for the duel, yumi lasted for a couple of weeks max, only tress among his recent works has a long timeframe

imo the criticism from ob has led him to learn the wrong lessons, the plodding middle is his strength, his action pack set piece feels appropriate only for small portions, and not throughout

[Anonymous No.22565023]

>>22563632
The first half of your review made me interested in the book but then you lost me. I'm assuming that someone who hasn't read any other cosmere stuff will have a hard time keeping up?

[Anonymous No.22565030]

>>22565023
It depends on what you mean by "keeping up". You could read this without having read anything else by Sanderson. You just wouldn't be able to have an appreciation for all the references or how it fit in place with everything else. If you're someone who needs to know what everything means and why, then that could be a problem. If not, then I don't think there's anything that would prevent you from enjoying the action scenes in that regard. Most of the plot stuff is original to the book and doesn't appear elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.22565047]

>>22563863
No doubt inspired by Watership Down, which is not a bad thing, but I have been thinking about picking up Watership Down, so I guess I might add this book as well to my "to read" list.

[Anonymous No.22565129]

This is the most overrated series I've ever read, why is it so popular and beloved?
The MC is an insufferable moron, and I find it hard to care about the situations that she finds herself in. All of this crazy shit is happening to her, but I have no real reason to care, because I don't give a shit about the MC or her friends, and half the time, their reasoning for even putting themselves into danger is incredibly forced from a narrative standpoint
The villains (especially the bullies) are so cartoonishly evil, that it's hard to even take them seriously. And the fights are all fucking awful, because they drag on for too long, and they have no stakes, because the author seems to think that 20,000 word long fights with dozens of fodder makes for good writing.
The prose is also pretty bad, because the author is obsessed with over describing every area and every individual in a scene. There are MULTIPLE chapters where the author will go down a list of people describing them in minute detail, from the color of their hair to the color of their belt. The author leaves nothing to imagination. And so the story is frequently held hostage for several pages, as literal whos, who play ZERO ROLE in the fucking story get pages dedictated to their appearance.
Same shit with the fight scenes, because the writer feels the need to describe every fight blow to blow. I'm in the "extermination" arc with the sea monster, and I'm bored out of my mind, because they've been fighting him for like 5 chapters with no sign of the fight ending.

[Anonymous No.22565139]

>>22565129
>she
Stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.22565141]

>>22565129
>why is it so popular and beloved?
Where? On TVTropes and Ao3?

[Anonymous No.22565170]

>>22565141
Reddit, spacebattles, and twitter etc. Basically wherever a discussion about superheroes or hero styled fantasy comes up, you get shills for it who pop up abd say "bro you gotta read worm; it's so well written, and the prose is actually decent, and the world building / powers are so well thoughout, and the characters are so rational etc."
So I finally got around to reading it because of all the acclaim, and found myself utterly baffled with how mediocre the story was. I expected something GREAT from the title, because it's apparently spawned thousands of fanfics from its loyal fanbase...but the story is completely irredeemable in my eyes, because it's fucking boring.
And I really it give it a chance. I read almost 300,00 words of this shit and I still fucking hate it

[Anonymous No.22565176]

>>22565170
>you get shills for it
Yeah. It's the same 5 guys across all of those. That is not "populat and beloved".

[Anonymous No.22565187]

>>22565170
>Reddit, spacebattles, and twitter
jfc your standards are low. next you'll be saying you also follow tiktok reviews.

[Anonymous No.22565188]

>>22565176
>Yeah. It's the same 5 guys across all of those
That can't be the case, anon. Worm has literal thousands of fanfics from it's fanbase on spacebattles, ao3, and ffn. That's more than most PUBLISHED fantasy novels and series, and I don't understand why. Where are these fans coming from? What do they see in this shit?

[Anonymous No.22565189]

Are the Halo books still terrible? I read the first half a dozen, don't even know where the story is at these days.

[Anonymous No.22565201]

>>22565129
>Too retarded to understand that other people have different preferences than themselves
Hate to see it.

[Anonymous No.22565213]

>>22565188
>Worm has literal thousands of fanfics from it's fanbase on spacebattles, ao3, and ffn
Assume each active fan wrote about 10 of those. That requires only a few hundred fans, assumin that most of them are mentally ill in order to write about 10 fanfics each.

>Where are these fans coming from?
See above.

>What do they see in this shit?
See above.

Worm is the epitome of hyperactive and obessesed but actually very limited and pathetic fanbase, where being a fan automatically implies writing fanfiction. Note how while it has a fuckton of fanfics, there is next to none Worm fanart, fan-music, porn, etc.

[Anonymous No.22565220]

>>22565188
>>22565141
Here's a review from reddit.
>It’s a superhero story done in a way that is almost completely original, it takes the concepts of good and evil and makes both quite grayer than you would think. It starts off with a smaller world and then fills it in and expands that small world into something much larger. The way the characters are handled makes them feel so real it is as if they are actual people who are doing these things.

>The story is very strong and it is something that is rarely ever boring, the way the plot unravels is over thirty arcs, some short and some that almost seemed to be long books themselves, but Wildbow is on our stage and is giving us a concert that does not lack energy, gaining it as it progresses and never stopping. 8.5 out of ten

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/r4lfd6/review_of_worm_by_wildbow/?share_id=jejLvKjQtedd8oCcRJbh-&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

The story is NOTHING like this. It's like me and him read a different story. The characters are incredibly shallow and one dimensional. The morality is laughably simplistic, frankly I've seen greyer morality in most x-men comics.
And the story is incredibly weak. It's just a string of loosely connected events, half of which the protagonist has no real reason to be a part. Really, it almost feels like you're reading a summary of someone's playthrough of a video game, and a poorly written one at that

[Anonymous No.22565226]

>>22565201
No, I'm just baffled by the undeserved praise for it. The fandom hypes the series up as this masterpiece that's better than most most of what DC and Marvel put out, and yet it's incredibly mediocre.
So I've come here to vent, because I've wasted over 10 hours of my reading this shit, waiting for it get good (it never did)

[Anonymous No.22565235]

>>22565226
>I've wasted over 10 hours of my reading
*I've wasted over 10 hours of my life reading

[Anonymous No.22565408]

>>22565213
A lot of people who write fanfiction about Worm also don't seem to have actually read Worm, to my understanding. They just take the basic wiki-read of it and go from there.

[Anonymous No.22565434]

>Every time I think of re-reading WoT I remember Egwene/Elayne/assorted Aes Sedai chapters and am filled with rage
>realize yesterday that you can edit epubs with calibre
>making myself an epub set with all the dogshit chapters removed
I fixed Wheel of Time bros

[Anonymous No.22565539]

[Anonymous No.22565624]

Just marathoned Red Rising.
What did i think of it?

[Anonymous No.22565647]

>>22563719
If the poster is curious, then he can explain why he's curious. And if he can't explain why he's curious, then his curiosity is empty and meaningless anyway, so there's no reason to ask the question. He might as well ask the the first time we remember taking a shit.

[Anonymous No.22565668]

>>22565624
Just the first book, or the series?

[Anonymous No.22565678]

>>22565668
Just the first chapter.

[Anonymous No.22565744]

I was skeptical when people told me Solomon Kane stories are Howard best work, but I read Skulls in the Stars yesterday and it's hit hard.

[Anonymous No.22565749]

>>22565744
You're fucking with me right? Skulls in the Stars is so bad it almost put me off Solomon Kane forever.

[Anonymous No.22565757]

I was skeptical when people told me Solomon Kane stories are Howard best work, but I read Skulls in the Stars yesterday and it hits hard.

>>22565749
I liked it. I admit plot isn't the best, but I really liked the writing.

[Anonymous No.22565781]

>>22565757
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it at least.

[Anonymous No.22565848]

SanderSan please, i need KaladinXSylph romance...

[Anonymous No.22565883]

>>22565848
>mormonson
>romance
Bruh

[Anonymous No.22565923]

Should I read game of thrones even if I know it'll never be finished?

[Anonymous No.22565945]

Any fantasy with groomer old man and young girls?

[Anonymous No.22565986]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22566032]

>>22565923
A Game of Thrones is finished and so are four of its sequels.

[Anonymous No.22566033]

>>22565923
No book series is ever finished if you think about it

[Anonymous No.22566050]

>>22565986
Heh heh, No-God will definitely be coming soon....

[Anonymous No.22566105]

>last mistborn trilogy will be a space opera
wtf is sandersons problem?

[Anonymous No.22566122]

>>22566105
He played too much jrpgs in college

[Anonymous No.22566134]

>>22565213
>there is next to none Worm fanart, fan-music, porn, etc
You are just not looking in the right places. QQ has so much porn, both written and not, there are youtube channels that post fan-music and even short animated clips. Look at how many views these have. I have seen trailers for million-dollar Netflix shows that have less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmXBHm1FeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj_O4gi5J4Q

[Anonymous No.22566140]

>>22566105
I don't see a problem here. It's not like you're reading it, the third Mistborn era which is like cyberpunk stuff either, right?

[Anonymous No.22566143]

>>22566122
This makes a lot of sense

[Anonymous No.22566177]

Has anyone here read "the silver fox and the western hero"? Any opinions on it?

[Anonymous No.22566249]

I don't understand how so many people get filtered by Gardens of the Moon... I'm almost halfway through and I've been hooked from the start. I actually enjoy the perspective changes and at no point have I felt bored reading it so far. If this is supposed to be the weakest entry in the series, then Malazan is clearly gonna be my favorite fantasy series of all time.

[Anonymous No.22566254]

>>22566249
People are different.

[Anonymous No.22566267]

>>22566177
>western hero
stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.22566270]

>>22566254
NTA, but what a glib and worthless comment you're making.

[Anonymous No.22566317]

>>22566249
This was basically my experience. I loved Gardens of the Moon when I first read it, and it is by far the worst book in the series. Not even a contest.

[Anonymous No.22566332]

I read a ton of fantasy and sci-fi when I was younger, but for some reason I strayed away from it even though I really enjoyed the genres. Planning to mix in some books. I bought Imajica based on a recommendation. Any thoughts on this one?

[Anonymous No.22566487]

>>22565189
I read Cryptum not long ago and thought it was OK. it's the first book in the Forerunner saga

[Anonymous No.22566526]

>>22566332
sounds like the name of a type of serbian bootleg grog or something

[Anonymous No.22566608]

Was oathbringer really that bad?

[Anonymous No.22566763]

>>22563995
First sentence. A serious answer is that the second chapter sucked me wholly in. The writing is very good, unlike the soulless drivel most genre fiction is.

[Anonymous No.22566791]

>>22565129
I've read Worm, so I didn't hate it enough to stop. It's popular because the writing is decent, better than most slop produced nowadays, worldbuilding is pretty good and characters are not bad. None of the elements in it are badly done, except maybe the filler, which is a minor issue to many people.

[Anonymous No.22566798]

>>22565539
How do people read this shit and then come here to recommend it? Baffles my mind.

[Anonymous No.22566819]

When yall read books(if you actually do),then come here to talk about them, what is in it for you?
Also, what books are your favorites and why? It's OK if it's a popular book, no need to be edgy or unique.

[Anonymous No.22566822]

>>22566819
>yall
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.22566850]

>>22566819
>no need to be edgy or unique
>what is in it for you?
to be edgy and unique. YALL read popualr books and they suck ass and are gay. I read cool obscure shit fuck you bitch

[Anonymous No.22566873]

This was unbelievably bad. I couldn’t finish the first one

[Anonymous No.22566885]

>>22566819
I don't have many friends, and they don't read as much as I do. So there's a lot of books I read that I have nobody to talk to about. Of course these threads are so dead and filled with shitposters that it's hardly an improvement over my real life situation, but I can at least post about the books here and see if I get a bite. The alternative is writing my thoughts into discord DMs to people who probably have me on mute because of my tendency to ramble.

[Anonymous No.22566886]

>>22566140
Second era was Victorian era, third era will be, like... 1980s-ish, I think he said?

[Anonymous No.22566892]

>>22566886
Yeah, with a cyberpunk vibe.

[Anonymous No.22566895]

>>22566873
Finally somebody with taste. So much Abercrombie dicksucking in this general I cannot believe it. Guy is a complete hack.

[Anonymous No.22566952]

>>22566819
>what is in it for you?
I don't have book friends
>what books are your favorites and why?
Lord of Mysteries.
It's a bit silly but back then I wasn't an avid book reader (hell, I didn't even read Lord of Rings) and mostly entertained myself with anime, manga and korean manhwa, but this novel was really the spark I needed to start reading more, it was so good. Now I'm taking my time to read the classics then I might read /sffg/ memes like Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22566984]

>light novels on /ssfg/

[Anonymous No.22567020]

>>22566873
What didn't you like about it? I don't hear people talk about The First Law much here, but everywhere else you look the praise is nonstop. I was planning on reading the first book soon.

[Anonymous No.22567044]

>>22566791
>It's popular because the writing is decent, better than most slop produced nowadays,
You must be on drugs. Its popular because its a competence-fantasy with a near endless amount of story to mindlessly consume.

[Anonymous No.22567058]

>>22567044
>You must be on drugs. Its popular because its a competence-fantasy with a near endless amount of story to mindlessly consume.
I don't see how that contradicts what I said. Are you claiming that it's technically badly written or that most genre fiction nowadays isn't terrible slop? In terms of pure technical competency, Worm is decently written.

[Anonymous No.22567065]

>>22564986
makes sense.
I dont remember if this happened in Oathbringer, but I do feel sometimes the avalanche that follows the pile up feels very contrived in the sense that 3-4 plotlines are climaxing at the same time simply because that's his thing, instead of the natural progress of the events
Squeezing the timeframe of the entire book is a way to address this, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.22567091]

>>22567058
The writing is very obviously not decent. Its popularity comes from its subject matter and how it plays with that, plus the massive wordcount. Its like eating stacks and stacks of rice cakes or something. You can't isolate and pull out a well-written page of worm.

[Anonymous No.22567113]

>>22567091
> Its popularity comes from its subject matter and how it plays with that, plus the massive wordcount. Its like eating stacks and stacks of rice cakes or something.
Again, I have not claimed otherwise.
>You can't isolate and pull out a well-written page of worm.
I did not claim Worm is well-written. I said it's decently written, in terms of technical competency. There's a difference. Compared to most modern genre fiction slop, it certainly holds true. I think you should actually read white I've said.

[Anonymous No.22567125]

>>22567113
Are you autistic or something? I've said it's not decent twice. It obviously isn't. You can make fun of it simply by copy pasting a random section of prose.

There is nothing to differentiate it quality wise from some random goodreads crap. No grammar or spelling mistakes, but utterly devoid of good writing.

[Anonymous No.22567127]

>>22566798
the fuck do you know about good literature? Go back to reading N K Jemisin you fucking mong

[Anonymous No.22567132]

>>22567127
Someone who reads cultivation garbage is the audience for shit like Jemisin. Kill yourself, you mongoloid retard.

[Anonymous No.22567152]

>>22567125
I think you might have down syndrome. You type written text, but lack any reading comprehension. You see words, but can't derive any meaning.
>I've said it's not decent twice
Yes and I disregarded your statement.
>There is nothing to differentiate it quality wise from some random goodreads crap. No grammar or spelling mistakes, but utterly devoid of good writing.
It's really hard to comprehend being as dumb as you are. Think for two seconds about what I mean by decently written on pure technical grounds. Maybe it will click for you, someday.

[Anonymous No.22567192]

[Anonymous No.22567207]

>>22567132
>Someone who reads cultivation garbage
>is the audience for shit like Jemisin
See pic related, it's you.

[Anonymous No.22567215]

>>22567152
You said its popular because the writing is decent, not that it's mechanically decent (meaning 'no mistakes' rather than 'any good'). You switched from one to the other.

A factor towards it being popular isn't it being technically decent you gigantic retard. Even shit, genuinely terrible books often are. It's meaningless obfuscation from the quality of the writing being machine translation tier.

[Anonymous No.22567256]

I think Patrick Rothfuss is overrated, more overrated than even Martin (who gets more flak than he should, imo). His prose, which everyone jerks off over, is incredibly self-indulgent and even overwrought in places. His lyrical style and jaunts into poetry feel unnecessary rather than evocative. People complain about Kvothe being a Gary Stu and annoying, but this is intentional - Kvothe is a teenage boy and his story is being narrated by the older Kvothe who wants to embellish things. The story is also supposed to be a tragedy, Kvothe is supposed to come off as impatient, arrogant, prideful, and self-important, character traits that eventually lead to his ultimate downfall.

The problem with Kvothe as a character is that his story is fundamentally boring. His journey is mostly uninteresting (happy early life, troupe gets killed, shitty life full of trauma, finally gets to Hogwarts, drama ensures, etc.) and the mistakes he makes are always the same - if you are going to lead a character to tragedy based on their flaws, well and good. Make it entertaining instead of "Kvothe was momentarily retarded and ignore the 5 times acting this way led to ruin, again." Pretty much every character he meets is more interesting than he is (Bast, Chronicler, Auri, Denna, etc.). Is Rothfuss also doing this intentionally to do more meta-commentary on "storytelling" and how the reality of a story is usually less interesting than story itself? If so, the books suffer for it. The mysteries in the lore, allusions, and other characters are the main things keeping hopeful Doors of Stone eventually comes out (it won't).

[Anonymous No.22567260]

>>22566819
I don't really come here to discuss books. I just enjoy the shit show and sometimes the books people post sound interesting. The best books I've read recently are The Wounded Land (Thomas Covenant book 4) and The Green Mile.
My favorite series of all time are
>Parahumans (Worm/Ward
>Malazan Book of the Fallen
>The Solar Cycle (Book of the New Sun et al)
I'm currently reading The Blade Itself, which is okay but considering how much people dickride the series I'm not impressed, it's okay though. I also started reading Moby Dick with the /lit/ read along and it's pretty good so far.

[Anonymous No.22567343]

>>22566819
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.22567404]

>that profilie pic
you don't say...

[Anonymous No.22567405]

>>22567091
You admittedly dropped it after 10 hours of reading. There are great sections, especially post-Echidna and onwards.

[Anonymous No.22567417]

>>22567404
>looking for reviews to seethe at them
Is this the addiction to being entertained i've been hearing of lately?

[Anonymous No.22567431]

>>22563579
A laugh and a half. If only.
>>22563656
Yev/reviewanon isn't me, and I've lost a lot of my interest in the Cosmere, mainly due to the fact that it'll never be completed. I read Tress and thought it was formulaic. I never finished my reread of The Last Metal. I didn't know this was out but I'll get to it eventually.
>>22563862
It is and it is. We've been supposed to get an Official Chronology for a long time now.
>>22564358
Around... sometime after book 3? Brando had his editor/yes-man do calculations involving how fast Kaladin would have to accelerate in order to break orbit. Who knows what will come of it.
>>22563776
>>>/vrpg/ has regular threads for online CYOAs, for what it is worth.
>>22565848
There's a Brando quote in which he agrees with someone that there's a teeny tiny chance of KalxSyl.
>>22566140
>>22566886
>Mistborn: Ghostbloods, the third trilogy, will be set in the early computer age with 1980s technology. The main character is planned as a Terris woman who is a computer programmer and Nicroburst;
https://coppermind.net/wiki/Mistborn_(series)#Era_3:_Ghostbloods_Trilogy

[Anonymous No.22567436]

>>22567417
sorry i hurt your feelings, jacob

[Anonymous No.22567456]

>>22566608
The pacing is pretty dogshit and you could easily trim a quarter of the middle out, but the last chunk of the book is probably my favorite stuff Sanderson has written

[Anonymous No.22567463]

>>22567436
Keep saving reviews. Surely that will amount to something one day.

[Anonymous No.22567467]

>>22567260
Ayy, First Law is my favorite series, and I'm just getting back into Malazan. (Still pretty early in Deadhouse Gates). We've got an opposites thing going. For what it's worth, The Blade Itself is definitely the weakest entry in the series, things pick up considerably in BTAH

[Anonymous No.22567475]

>>22567463
it was literally the first review of a book someone recommended itt and i thought it was funny

[Anonymous No.22567508]

>>22567467
I mentioned this before a thread or two ago, the main thing holding back my enjoyment is the writing. I have 0 problems with the plot and shit, and the characters are cool I just wish they were written in a style more to my taste. Unless the next books are good enough to make up for that I don't see myself rating this series higher than 4/6.

[Anonymous No.22567510]

Just finished the Scholomance trilogy.

I absolutely loved it. I devoured each book in a single night as I got them. The world is intriguing, the characters are compelling. Actually.... the main character is a bit of a cunt but she's a well written cunt so I'll excuse it. OH AND THE ENDING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT WAS SO GOOD.

I'm gonna be thinking about this series for a while like I did after finishing the avatar cartoons series for the first time. I feel like I've just left high school. A new epoch has dawned on my life now that I no longer have scholomance books to read. Thankfully my graduation didn't come with mals trying to tear me to bits.

[Anonymous No.22567580]

>>22567510
>female protagonist

[Anonymous No.22567582]

>>22567510
I didnt know they wrote a book based off the warcraft dungeon

[Anonymous No.22567601]

>>22567510
I didn't know there were other women in this thread aside from the chick who posted a picture of tits with the bakker book

[Anonymous No.22567604]

>>22567580
Most of the sci-fi/fantasy books I read have female protagonists.

[Anonymous No.22567608]

>>22567601
I'm not a woman.

[Anonymous No.22567610]

>>22567510
I had a similar reaction to reading it. At first I was like "is this bitch for real?" But over time I warmed up to El, and I'm a sucker for an old fashioned tragic romance. I'm also a bit sad that 3 books is all we get, but it's also nice to have a story wrap up in 3 fairly short novels, demonstrates a lot of competence as a writer.

[Anonymous No.22567614]

>>22567604
You need correction.

[Anonymous No.22567622]

>>22563579
>litrpg cultivation
doesnt get more cancerous than that

[Anonymous No.22567632]

>>22567614
Isn't Thecla the co-protagonist for 80% of the story?

[Anonymous No.22567633]

>>22566895
I feel the same way. Outside of the character of Glotka, the entire series is garbage.

[Anonymous No.22567636]

>>22566885
>>22566952
OP that asked that question yall replied to. I'm the same way, I read exclusively warhammer since highschool cause it was safe and a comfort after losing all my friends. I have my wife I can ramble too but I like trying to actually discuss books I've read with fellows. I'm still a bit sheltered but I've branched out some recently. Reading some horror and have a boatload of fantasy novels I've come across.

[Anonymous No.22567642]

>>22567636
>yall
kys pls

[Anonymous No.22567652]

>>22567642
Aw shucks, keep yourself safe too anon! It's so nice to maintain positive vibes here.

[Anonymous No.22567653]

>>22567614
who?

[Anonymous No.22567660]

>>22567636
Honestly anon, I completely feel you. I started reading exclusively 40k in college before branching out into other stuff

[Anonymous No.22567668]

>>22567463
>Keep saving reviews
ok

[Anonymous No.22567669]

>>22567608
You should transition.

[Anonymous No.22567718]

>asian fantasy be like
Ching chong ping pong xiu wu

[Anonymous No.22567760]

>>22564083
i'm curious what others have to say. for me, it was the main malazan series, but i know it's not for everyone

[Anonymous No.22567763]

>>22566317
i still love it. i wish the series was more like it

[Anonymous No.22567765]

>>22567467
>I'm just getting back into Malazan
not him, but are you a first time reader of the series or on a reread?

[Anonymous No.22567832]

>>22567765
Just started Malazan. What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.22567848]

Between Bakker and Kay, I think there might be some truth to the idea that Canadians are all war criminals at heart.

[Anonymous No.22567851]

Women stop talking to me when i reveal my /sffg/ power level.

[Anonymous No.22567858]

>>22567851
What is your /sffg/ power level?

[Anonymous No.22567859]

>>22567858
1 on a scale of 10

[Anonymous No.22567863]

>>22567832
More leftist propaganda.

>The Malazan series contains many themes around socio-economic inequality and social injustice throughout such as gender equality with Erikson stating "It occurred to us that it would create a culture without gender bias so there would be no gender-based hierarchies of power. It became a world without sexism and that was very interesting to explore." as well as the inevitability of and role of art in civilizational collapse and many other themes rooted in a postmodernist and post-structuralist deconstruction of the fantasy genre and magical realism.

[Anonymous No.22567881]

>>22567859
Talk to gay men, let them know your bottom tier level

[Anonymous No.22567891]

>>22567863
i'm the guy you replied to. he isn't wrong, but whatever, it never annoyed me or distracted me from the story. your mileage may vary. the first book throws off a lot of people for various reasons, but if you do make it through there just know the second book is one of the top picks for best in the series, and certainly a lot of people's favorite. i started the series twice before finishing it, restarting the second time. it phase shifts a lot, from book to book, and then the whole story really shifts for the last third of the series. I oved the series but especially the back half of it

[Anonymous No.22567894]

>>22567832
>>22567863
my bad, obviously meant for this guy

[Anonymous No.22567911]

can someone do some AI-generated art of the Inverse Fire? truth shines

[Anonymous No.22567916]

>>22567765
It's my first time. I have a few miinor spoilers through general exposure and stuff but I'm overall pretty blind

[Anonymous No.22567919]

>>22567891
Yeah the other guy is just copypasta shitting, because this board is cancer. I definitely get what people mean when they say Gardens is hard to get into, but I'm honestly loving DG right now. Granted I'm only starting chapter 4 as I type this, but it's still 150 pages in haha

[Anonymous No.22567924]

>>22567919
yeah, i personally love Gardens of the Moon and soon as I get a copy I want to begin to reread the series. I've read some of the other books and want to purchase the others one day. it's a good series to stick with if you like the first couple/few books

[Anonymous No.22567927]

>>22567924
and by the others i mean the prequel trilogy as well as the first book of the sequel about karsa orlong and his rape baby son. nothing from esselmont yet

[Anonymous No.22567945]

>>22565129
>This is the most overrated series I've ever read, why is it so popular and beloved
Anon what the fuck are you smoking? Worm is probably the most shat-on work of internet fiction after homestuck. "Worm bad" is by no means un unpopular or uncommon opinion whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.22567948]

Anyone have any recommendations for some fantasy novels based on slavic history/myths?

[Anonymous No.22567966]

>>22567633
Yep. Glokta is a genuinely well written character in an otherwise unreadable, garbage story. I'm convinced Abercrombie created him on accident.

[Anonymous No.22567969]

>>22567916
It would be pretty much impossible to be spoiled on Malazan in any substantial way, because of the scale of it. Like anything you heard is not even 1% of all the shit that happens in it.

[Anonymous No.22567970]

Any books like Futurama?

[Anonymous No.22567972]

I'm going to start Malazan. Somebody stop me please

[Anonymous No.22567973]

>>22567919
>but I'm honestly loving DG right now
It's widely regarded as one of the best in the series, typically in the top 3 of anybody's rankings. I rate it as number 2, personally, but it's definitely what elevated Malazan for me from a good series to a fantastic series.

[Anonymous No.22567976]

>>22567969
Oh 100%. Like, I know Whiskeyjack dies,and the general existence of the K'Chain Che'Malle, but that's essentially it.

>>22567973
What's your favourite, anon? I'm curious

[Anonymous No.22567980]

It feels so much better being in my early 20's and knowing women in their late 40's are still trying (and failing) to get published in the fantasy market.

[Anonymous No.22568017]

>>22567948
The Witcher series

[Anonymous No.22568072]

>>22567980
That's because most people who pick up the pen fail to be self critical, or picked it up far too late, and hadn't read a lot in their formative years. Lots of the fantasy market is harder to get into, rather than horror (what I write), merely because so much of fantasy is based on cliche that it's hard to innovate. If you look at contemporary fantasy short stories, like Beneath Ceaseless Skies, it's barely "fantasy". That's because there's not really any room in fantasy, so people end up just writing absurdist or slipstream stuff.

[Anonymous No.22568080]

>>22568072
>>22568072

Yeah, and just today on /lit/, there was someone who had mentioned some lore they wanted to build. Fantasy lore, with a bunch of made up races. Truth be told, I do actually believe in them, at least to get the writing done, but I do not believe that there is room in fantasy fiction for anything else.

There are books that use magic/fantasy settings to describe a fascinating narrative involving interesting characters, glorious plots, and deep, dark mysteries, and then there are books that are just world-building and lore, and just how fun is that for the rest of us to read about, hmm?

Just too much of that stuff is around these days, so I wouldn't find time to "learn the lore," so if the plot/characters/mysteries aren't actually interesting, then I'd just skip it.

[Anonymous No.22568103]

>>22568080
>if the plot/characters/mysteries aren't actually interesting, then I'd just skip it.
Definitely. People want to have some vast world but not know how to write. I actually had to teach myself plot, character, dialogue, and more, just because university tells you all those elements are "for dumb people". I didn't study creative writing, but took some courses as an elective, and it's actively damaging unless you're able to unpack why what they teach you is wrong, then apply that to make stories that are entertaining, or at least arouse emotion to some degree.
I don't think I'm special, or anything, but I do take writing more seriously than I think my fellow students did. That's why I'm able to unlearn and relearn better than they do, where they'd just say average readers are idiots, or allow themselves to write badly "because it's a difference in taste or style," which is just false.

[Anonymous No.22568106]

>>22567948
I read a book called The Watchers that was pretty good. Dunno how Slavic it is for you tho.

[Anonymous No.22568114]

>>22568103
>I actually had to teach myself plot, character, dialogue, and more, just because university tells you all those elements are "for dumb people"
If they don't teach these things, what do they teach instead?

[Anonymous No.22568125]

>>22568114
>what do they teach instead?
They usually try to teach you about literary techniques that are built on top of those simple elements; an example might be introducing polyphony or "lots of voices" in prose, which is kind of redundant since prose and novels are supposed to contain plain or everyday language to an extent. My creative writing professor for novels just told me to write in first person, even though most people are averse to it, just because I was not writing from a limited perspective in third person omniscient, which made it disorienting to him. I agree that he was right, but I don't remember him ever telling me anything about plot, character, dialogue, or whatever, beyond making occasional comments like "that was a funny bit of dialogue there... it made me LAUGH OUT LOUD," but most people found him dispirited or depressed, so he mightn't have been the best example.
I also did contemporary poetry, which I regret the most, because I had to unlearn how shit it was to learn rhythm, meter, and stress, which they completely ignore and just slap word vomit on a page and make it a "concrete poem about social media" or whatever.

[Anonymous No.22568172]

Just marathoned the goodreads 2022 best science fiction. Real heady stuff. References to determinism and a boot strap paradox in a time travel book? Simulation Theory?? Quantum Blockchain??? She is single-handedly saving the genre.

[Anonymous No.22568187]

>>22568172
I'll try pick up a copy, matey. I've heard Canada's literary scene is awful for anyone who isn't writing slice of life college books for national "CanLit". So it's good to see there's new life for genre fiction after Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22568199]

>>22568125
How did you go about self-teaching these deficient areas? Did you use educational materials of some kind or did you just read and write with a critical eye towards the elements you were focused on improving?

[Anonymous No.22568215]

>>22568199
I just read a lot of pulp fiction like Robert E Howard, HP Lovecraft, and CL Moore, as well as novels by Poul Anderson. I think the only people who complain about these authors being "overwritten" just have a limited reading experience or vocabulary, and don't understand the sorts of movements they make in terms of plot or character.
Before, I was very superficial in terms of plot and character, because I was told they were distracting from deeper writing or themes. But that's just a load of shit, because you can't get into higher levels of writing without them. Just read a lot and make sure you comprehend it fully. Rereading is so important but no one wants to do it because most people think they took everything in (when they didn't). I read The Call of Cthulhu so many times now but pick up something new each time, particularly the flow of plot, which I find more masterful each time I read it.

[Anonymous No.22568277]

>>22567972
Read the whole series three times. It has some good moments but overall it reuses plot beats and the characters outside of a few that Erikson babies are copy-paste. His toneshift writing style that apes epic descriptive prose on one page and then Black Company-style personal banter on the other is grating after a few books. Karsa Orlong is also the worst written character in the entire book and seems to solely exist to do "cool" things. It's also clear that some events, characters, cultures, and races were seemingly created because he was horny one day (hobbling, women with barbarian paramours, etc.).

The whole thing should have stayed as a DnD campaign.

[Anonymous No.22568369]

>>22563632
Where's the "your "REVIEWS" suck" ritualposter? I miss him.

[Anonymous No.22568401]

>>22568017
>The Witcher
>Slavic
This stupid meme has to end. Witcher isn't Slavic. It's more based on Western European fairly tales. Just because it sometimes uses names of Slavic demons for monsters doesn't make it Slavic.

[Anonymous No.22568432]

Alright, which one's better?

[Anonymous No.22568437]

>>22568432
You can easily do both

[Anonymous No.22568442]

>>22568437
The only way I see doing both is "magic has rules and limitations, but they aren't really explained, you have to just kinda read between the lines and figure it out, therefore it feels mysterious"

[Anonymous No.22568450]

>>22568432
The books up top are much better than the books below them, so it stands to reason magic should be magic and not a science

[Anonymous No.22568464]

>>22564752
>Between Two Fires
>recommended
Wait what? Last time I brought it up here the consensus was it was a giant edgefest. It wasn’t terrible, but it’s weird to see it recommended.

[Anonymous No.22568465]

>>22568442
Or of the main characters aren't capable of magic themselves. They just live under its unreasonable terror, occasionally picking up some tidbits of magic knowledge.

[Anonymous No.22568472]

>>22568432
I like the Sword and Sorcery style magic. Some old evil wizard who studied eldrich and forbidden power his whole life can cast powerful spells, but only with a lot of prep and ingredients. Outside of sitting in his tower and casting, he's as easy to kill as any old man.

[Anonymous No.22568476]

>>22566873
Lucky you, I made it to the third one before I quit and felt cheated.

>>22567020
For me it was how predictable things started playing out in the third book with just the overall depressive tone. Also book three seemed to have back tracked heavily on everybody’s character arc which was annoying, and then there wasn’t really any mystery left to keep me interested in the story. I’ve read worse, but I’d also rather spend my time reading something I enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.22568618]

Reminder that wanting to read books or series with a small cast of characters and complaining about many POVs is literally a sign of low IQ and poor visualization skills.
If you want this in a story, it means your brain breaks down when confronted with more than 3 or 4 characters because you literally can't do abstract visualization to imagine what a diverse cast of characters will look like in your mind. Once your low IQ normie brain has solidified the "hero thrust into having to save the world," "poorly written female character," "badass warrior guy," "comic relief sidekick," you aren't capable of going much farther beyond that. If you were able to do abstract visualization (which is what people with 130+ IQ can do) you would have no problem creating mental images of hundreds or even thousands of characters and understanding physical and personality qualities simply from words.
I used to always be confused why people's brains hurt when reading epic fantasy with a large cast of characters and would give 1 star reviews and feel threatened if forced to go outside of their comfort zone, but once you realize it's simply just an IQ gap, it all makes sense.

[Anonymous No.22568857]

>>22566608
It's my favorite of the Stormlight books. Rhythm of War was laughably bad in comparison

[Anonymous No.22568878]

>>22566873
>>22566895
>>22567633
>>22567966
>>22568476
FILTERED
>>22567020
Don't listen to those nitwits, if you liked Black Company there's a good chance that you'll like these.

[Anonymous No.22568909]

Some Horus Heresy hardbacks are $13 or less at my local secondhand bookstore. I think they go for up to $100 online sometimes.

[Anonymous No.22569083]

>reading wot2
>Rand whining all the way through he's not a Dragon
>declares himself the Dragon
>end book 2
>well at least we're done with that
>start book 3
>3 chapters of Perrin whining he's not a Wolf
I'm starting to understand why the series is 14 books long

[Anonymous No.22569092]

>baki
>uri
were the aelf japanese or something?

[Anonymous No.22569095]

>Isaac Asimov was a supporter of this point of view, expressed in his 1938-1939 letters to Astounding, where he described such elements as "mush" and "slop".
time truly is a flat circle

[Anonymous No.22569113]

>>22568472
based, me too. Conan, Kane, Elric.. all of that stuff is great

[Anonymous No.22569116]

>>22568909
quit your job and flip 40k novels for a living m8

[Anonymous No.22569129]

>>22564752
>lord of the mysteries
>issth
I miss having something to read for 18-hours a day...

[Anonymous No.22569131]

>>22567945
here's a radical take then: worm is pretty good for what it is (some random guy's unedited first novel)

[Anonymous No.22569140]

>>22566895
>>22567020
I liked it at first, but most of my enjoyment disappeared once it became clear his guiding principle is SUBVERT ALL THE TROPES. He's not trying to tell a meaningful, or even an interesting story, he's just trying to pull as many of
>were you expecting meaningful character development?
>too bad, it's just more misery for everyone
>why would anything good ever happen
as he can. It gets stale very quickly.
And yes, Glokta is the only redeeming part of that shitshow.

[Anonymous No.22569175]

>>22569113
>elric
inb4 anti-moorcock autist

[Anonymous No.22569178]

Read 还珠楼主

[Anonymous No.22569216]

Whoa the bald sci-fi man is a really good writer, I've been pretty impressed with him so far. Shouldn't have taken so long to get started with his books.

[Anonymous No.22569217]

The Mask of the Sorcerer is fun but exhausting to read. I should stick to webnovels and the works of Brandon Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.22569262]

>>22568432
First one is easily better, but like the other anon said, you can do both. If magic is not mysterious, it's not magic. Magic can also have rules, or more importantly, perceived rules in-story. These rules can be broken as the story progresses, whether due to increased power or previous misunderstanding of those rules.

[Anonymous No.22569274]

What are some good webnovels/litrpgs/slop, etc.? I've read Mother of Learning, which was surprisingly good. I've tried reading Worm, Cradle and some other Chinese crap. No idea why people praise these so much, when they're unfiltered garbage. Recommend me good webnovels, or whatever the genre is, I'll try reading them.

[Anonymous No.22569290]

>>22569274
Lord of Mysteries
Reverend Insanity
The perfect run (time loop like MoL)
The Last Orellen (slow releases)

[Anonymous No.22569291]

>>22569274
>what is some good-tasting shit?
>I've tasted some dog shit from the pavement and bird shit from my windowsill, but it all tastes horrible
>recommend me some shit that doesn't taste like shit
have you considered not eating shit anon?

[Anonymous No.22569335]

whoever recommended Magic's Mantle, fuck you

[Anonymous No.22569370]

>>22569217
The final act was certainly abstract, but I wouldn't say the novel was exhausting. I found it to be a page turner. Read it all one afternoon/evening.

[Anonymous No.22569373]

>>22569291
You can also recommend me good fantasy or sci-fi, if you want. I've already read a lot of it, but feel free. Wolfe is my favorite genre fiction author, if that helps.

[Anonymous No.22569384]

>>22569290
>Reverend Insanity
I've read a few chapters and thought this was terrible. I'll check out Last Orellen and The Perfect Run, since the premises seem interesting.

[Anonymous No.22569385]

>>22569373
Blindsight
The Culture series
Lyonesse
Lord of Light
A Song of Ice and Fire
>Wolfe is my favorite genre fiction author, if that helps.
I cannot fathom why you'd want to read litrpg then.

[Anonymous No.22569402]

>>22569385
>Blindsight
>The Culture series
>Lyonesse
>Lord of Light
>A Song of Ice and Fire
I'll check out Blindsight, since it seems interesting. I've read Lyonesse, ASOIAF and Lord of Light already. The Culture Series doesn't seem like my cup of tea.
>I cannot fathom why you'd want to read litrpg then.
I'm bored. No other reason really. Litrpg seems like fanfiction-tier slop that I can just mindlessly consume. Who knows, maybe someone has written something decent in there.

[Anonymous No.22569422]

>>22568464
It was good imo, the ending kinda fell flat but otherwise was a solid read.

[Anonymous No.22569482]

>>22568878
I absolutely loved the Black Company, but I‘m the guy who quit on book 3. It’s really drops off there and was never that great to begin with. Outside of Glokta and some choice Ninefingers chapters, and punished Collem it’s just not an enjoyable read.

[Anonymous No.22569495]

>ASOIAF normalfag criticizing anything else

[Anonymous No.22569506]

>>22568464
Though I liked it, those rec posts are just a troll.

[Anonymous No.22569522]

>>22569422
Which part of the ending? The climax, Thomas being rescued from hell by Jesus or a redeemed Thomas being looped back to the beginning to lead a peaceful life? Honestly my only complaint is that the pacing slowed way down at times and it the edginess went overboard occasionally.

[Anonymous No.22569534]

>>22569422
>>22569522
I also thought it was pretty good. And I didn't mind the edginess. For once it really fit the story imo.

[Anonymous No.22569569]

>>22569522
I thought the ending was fantastic.

[Anonymous No.22569592]

>>22567604
>shiggy_diggy.jpg

[Anonymous No.22569606]

>>22568618
I just don't have ADHD.

[Anonymous No.22569638]

>>22565129
>Series
>Reading Ward
I seriously hope you didn't do it.
>why is it so popular and beloved?
Mostly because it's a pre-requisite to read it in order to understand all the fanfiction, some of which is good.
>The MC is an insufferable moron, and I find it hard to care about the situations that she finds herself in. All of this crazy shit is happening to her, but I have no real reason to care, because I don't give a shit about the MC or her friends, and half the time, their reasoning for even putting themselves into danger is incredibly forced from a narrative standpoint
Well, I liked her. I don't know what to tell you, I thought she was a very compelling character, with interesting flaws, and some of the side-characters were cool, too: Lisa was great, and Alec was interesting, and Bonesaw was a qt3.135, and Jack Slash was pretty cool, and Aisha was funny, and some of the other panoply of supporting characters were also interesting and had some chew to them. I think characters were ultimately what made me read through the book to the end, because plot and setting were kind of meh.
>The villains (especially the bullies) are so cartoonishly evil, that it's hard to even take them seriously.
Kids are cruel, Jack. Seriously, read about some IRL cases of bullying, especially when it comes to female students bullying other female students.
>And the fights are all fucking awful, because they drag on for too long, and they have no stakes, because the author seems to think that 20,000 word long fights with dozens of fodder makes for good writing.
But there are almost no fights vs fodder in Worm? Like, it's either an uphill battle against groups of super-powered dudes, with the group having to win by the skin of their teeth, and with some losses along the way, and properly dramatic stakes, and sometimes interesting twists, and creative power-usage; or it's Taylor going "yeah, so I bugged their eyes with spicy beetles and won instantly."
>The prose is also pretty bad, because the author is obsessed with over describing every area and every individual in a scene. There are MULTIPLE chapters where the author will go down a list of people describing them in minute detail, from the color of their hair to the color of their belt. The author leaves nothing to imagination. And so the story is frequently held hostage for several pages, as literal whos, who play ZERO ROLE in the fucking story get pages dedictated to their appearance.
That's a fucking lie. Wildbows prose in notoriously lacking in descriptions, and he doesn't mention a character's look beyond once or maybe twice: for the cape persona and the civilian identity, or when there's been a dramatic change. Also, it's a 1.7 million word story, never edited (because it was published in a serial format), so some stylistic errors are understandable. Still, I found his prose better than some mainstream authors', like Sanderson and G. R. R. Martin.

[Anonymous No.22569642]

>>22567604
What the fuck have you been reading?

[Anonymous No.22569668]

>>22569402
>I'm bored.
I can relate, but you're better off doing almost anything else. I've had a bunch of litrpg recommended to me by respectable-seeming people, but they always end up being utter trash.
Try VNs maybe, there are a few genuinely good ones out there. Also, Jim Butcher writes some decent literary popcorn.

[Anonymous No.22569696]

I remember a long-ass time ago I read that writing classical by-the-numbers fantasy is more profitable in general than when authors experiment. Does anybody remember who said that/know of a source? Pic sorta related.

[Anonymous No.22569706]

>>22569696
That pic is great. I've not seen it before.

[Anonymous No.22569746]

>>22569696
>Underdressed Warrior Women
I'll now read your book.

[Anonymous No.22569774]

>>22569706
>>22569746

okay but have you heard about what I posted?

[Anonymous No.22569790]

>>22569482
Different individual tastes, I guess.
I liked Black Company, but absolutely loved the First Law trilogy.
The current Age of Madness trilogy is also shaping up nicely for my tastes.

[Anonymous No.22569802]

>>22569696
comfy map

[Anonymous No.22569809]

>>22569696
Idk who said that, but I do know I would read a book that took place in that map.

[Anonymous No.22569819]

>>22569642
Feminist kino

[Anonymous No.22569823]

>>22568187
I mean, we have Erikson too

[Anonymous No.22569826]

>>22569696
It's an obvious half-truth, so I bet plenty of people said it. It's how all fads work, not just classical fantasy

[Anonymous No.22569836]

>>22569823
Erikson is bad because he said he didn't want women to be oppressed in his books

[Anonymous No.22569865]

>>22569836
he's a fag for that, but i was surprised that malazan isn't really that pozzed (and the shit it does go into is handled in a way that doesn't feel public service announcement funded by some fag flag wavers.) i read another grimdark book that had a young girl who was a lesbian and used phrases like "motherfucker" in the first couple of pages. erikson doesn't do that, thank god. canada's ok by me, leaves can survive another day

[Anonymous No.22569867]

>>22569836
He's a femdomchad

[Anonymous No.22570025]

Tell me why I should read your favorite book

[Anonymous No.22570043]

>>22570025
Eh, you probably shouldn't. It's just about an old man losing his wife to dementia and then taking care of their special needs child.

[Anonymous No.22570046]

>>22569819
Women can actually write some surprisingly good military sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.22570048]

>>22566873
Abercrombie is what redditors recommend when they wanna appear adult.

[Anonymous No.22570091]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22570103]

>>22570091
I'm not gay, sorry

[Anonymous No.22570117]

>>22570025
It has a milfy adoptive mom

[Anonymous No.22570149]

>>22570091
Already did, bro.

[Anonymous No.22570254]

>>22570117
Tell me more

[Anonymous No.22570272]

>>22570091
you should find a personality beyond shilling

[Anonymous No.22570327]

>>22570117
Yeah but she never puts out.

[Anonymous No.22570382]

Anti-westerns are a thing. Is there anything that can be considered anti-scifi or anti-fantasy?

[Anonymous No.22570396]

>>22570382

Atheism and anarchy seem to be negations of god and negations of "power structures," where power in the sci-fi sense will imply robots, lasers, dystopia, evil corporations, and other things.

So maybe we are looking at "-punk" genres, like cyberpunk, where the main character is specifically NOT a wizard or an engineer or a soldier or a "hero."

However, an "anti-western" does not sound the same as a "russian classic" or a "chinese staple," and instead sounds rude and oppositional, especially in the context of [current year].

[Anonymous No.22570398]

>>22570382
>Is there anything that can be considered anti-scifi or anti-fantasy?
The whole scifi New Wave from the 60s and 70s was that
Just like Ballard said
>"it is inner space, not outer, that needs to be explored. The only truly alien planet is Earth"

[Anonymous No.22570413]

>>22569867
holy..
I don't like Malazan all that much but I will say the femdom scenes in the books are hot
I did tire of the LE UBLALA PUNG PENOR innuendo though

[Anonymous No.22570456]

>>22570091
Is this an original art for Bakker? Who is the artist?

[Anonymous No.22570480]

Hello friends, I come to you in rags and shame. I am but a tawdry degenerate who burnt away his mind on video games. I used to read a bit as a teenager. I enjoyed Iain M Banks' books, but prefer fantasy. What books would you recommend?

Here are some vidya I like(I no longer play vidya) to maybe guide some suggestions.

>Dark Souls 1 & 3
>Dragon Age Origins
>BG3, got filtered by BG1, though I really liked the 1st 2 acts of that, and the feel of being a small time adventurer
>Mount and Blade Warband: Gangs of Glasgow Mod
>Conan Exiles(I love the 1st movie too)
>Morrowind
>Oblivion
>Kenshi
>KotOR 1 & 2

Spoilered image is my BG3 character. They're a warlock, not that anyone cares, let's be honest. I'll also add I got filtered when I tried to read that Bakker guy, because he wrote a line that said something along the lines of, "Tonight, he thought, was a good night to kill." I just couldn't go on.

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Anonymous No.22570484]

>>22570396
>>22570398
I see. I was thinking of settings were utopian tropes and megastructure or other wondertech that people may have been looking forward to still remain unfeasible in the far future and possibly impossible. I guess if you just invert the tropes you get your "anti-X"

[Anonymous No.22570497]

>>22570480
Progression fantasy may help.

[Anonymous No.22570501]

>>22570497
that looks like an image full of slop
just read lord of the fucking rings lmao

[Anonymous No.22570508]

>>22570456
>Who is the artist?
Me

[Anonymous No.22570518]

>>22570497
I understand Isekai to essentially mean self insert. I generally don't "RP" as myself in RPGs. I try to come up with an interesting character and interact with the world that way.

>>22570501
You're gonna hate me for saying this, but I've looked into so much of Middle Earth -- without reading the trilogy(read the hobbit and some of the Silmarillion before I lost it)-- that I kind of want to experience something new and less heavy.

By heavy, I mean LotR and Tolkien in general, amount to something more than fiction if that makes sense. Kinda feels like reading Beowulf, or apocryphal bible books.

[Anonymous No.22570529]

>>22570480
The Witcher, first two books.
Dark Elf trilogy by R. A. Salvatore
Waylander trilogy by David Gemmel.

[Anonymous No.22570531]

>>22570518
read some YA fantasy that is decent then, like the first mistborn trilogy
also stop being a bitch and read lotr

[Anonymous No.22570543]

>>22570531
Okay, I literally have the books in the house. I guess it's about time I actually read them past the Fellowship of the Ring.

Also, I literally don't know what YA fantasy would be considered decent. I just want an interesting world with good characters, and smaller scope.

>>22570529
Is Drizzt as bad as he's made out to be by DnD types?

[Anonymous No.22570544]

>>22570091
Nomen investigated the Golgotterath for 20 years. Why is there no info about it, except the small bit about Golden Room and Inversed Fire? I want more.

[Anonymous No.22570549]

Have you ever met a sffg writer in real life?

[Anonymous No.22570556]

>>22570543
Dark Elf trilogy is good. I like the Legacy of Drow series (4 books) also. Other books are OK or readable.

[Anonymous No.22570563]

>>22570518
If you're looking for light, easy to get into SFF, check out Mistborn, Red Rising, or The First Law

[Anonymous No.22570564]

>>2257025
>Later that night, however, when they lay in their bess in the quiet darkness, he approached the problem obliquely.
>"Aunt Pol?"
>"Yes?"
>"Since you don't want to marry Durnik, whom do you want to marry?"
>"Garion," she said.
>"Yes?"
>"Close your mouth and go to sleep."
>"I think I've got a right to know," he said in an injured tone.
>"Garion!"
>"All right. I'm going to sleep, but I don't think you're being very fair about all this."
>She drew in a deep breath. "Very well," she said. "I'm not thinking of getting married. I have never thought of getting married and I seriously doubt that I'll ever think of getting married. I have far too many important things to attend to for any of that."
>"Don't worry, Aunt Pol," he said, wanting to put her mind at ease. "When I grow up, I'll marry you."
>She laughed then, a deep, rich laugh, and reached out to touch his face in the darkness.
>"Oh no, my Garion," she said. "There's another wife in store for you."
>"Who?" he demanded.
>"You'll find out," she said mysteriously. "Now go to sleep."

[Anonymous No.22570567]

>>22570518
>Isekai to essentially mean self insert.
Isekai means "another world". It's not self insert. I can't self insert when I read a book about a teenage girl.
It's usually people transported to another world through reincarnation, or just teleported there. It follows (the good ones) how someone from earth would impact a fantasy world with their earth knowledge.

>>22570501
>snore of the fucking rings is so good bro
neck yourself

[Anonymous No.22570577]

>>22570544
The Ark is huge and the Nonmen had no fucking idea what the hell they were looking at. Inchoroi constructs like Aurang and Aurax didn't really know anything beyond their directives and the AI than ran the Ark is either dead or asleep and no one knows how to wake it up or use it. The first dragon (I forgot his name) might have known something but he wasn't likely to share info. Also, the Nonmen preferred to just shut the thing up and seal it away. Only Cet'ingira (due to having seen the Inverse Fire and being convinced) wanted to learn more about the Ark.

[Anonymous No.22570582]

>>22570567
lotr is good, sorry about your brain damage

[Anonymous No.22570584]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22570588]

>>22570567
>how someone from earth would impact a fantasy world with their earth knowledge
Ah cool! Not really my thing though, I hate to say. Are there any in there you think would convert me?

[Anonymous No.22570592]

>>22565986
>>22570091
>>22570584
BASED
>Then the madness fell away. Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac … Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes. The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled.
KINO

[Anonymous No.22570610]

>>22570543
>Is Drizzt as bad as he's made out to be by DnD types?
It's Kino, quality drops around the transitions and neverwinter saga for obvious reasons (salvatore was in a legal fight for the rights of drizzt and company) but it goes back to being Kino with Companion Codex.
>>22570592
6/10 not enough BLACK seed

[Anonymous No.22570617]

>>22570543
Read Robert E. Howard if you haven't already. It's easy reading and each story is fully self-contained, the adventures are small scale, and the worldbuilding is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.22570639]

>>22570584
Bakker doesn't know how to tell stories (compared to GRRM, for example). He has the cool setting, but his stories and POWs are watered down mediocre stuff about psychic traumas, memoirs, etc. To be honest, the most interesting part of his books are the Encyclopedic Glossary (cool stories about history of his world, dense content).

[Anonymous No.22570656]

>>22570582
>>22570584
Great posts anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Any books like LOTR?? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

[Anonymous No.22570678]

>>22570564
Is that all we get?

[Anonymous No.22570679]

>>22570639
I don't really agree, his characters are often defined by their psychic traumas like Esmenet or Cnaiur but they are fleshed out beyond that.

Esmenet is the best character in the series btw, followed by Kellhus.

[Anonymous No.22570719]

>>22570678
He impregnates her at the end Book 5

[Anonymous No.22570721]

>>22570679
Man, their stories are just shit. I don't care about some fictional whore and her psychic traumas, I want adventure, I want conceptually interesting things, I want atmospheric vibes. But Bakker gives me only moaning and whining 90 % of time.
Bakker doesn't have good stories or doesn't know how to tell them.

[Anonymous No.22570726]

>>22570719
If only...

[Anonymous No.22570737]

>>22570721
It's a dark series, understandable if all that stuff turned you off. I feel like the books have plenty of adventure and atmosphere though. I can concede that Bakker really likes to beat you over the head with his philosophical stuff at the expense of the greater plot sometimes.

[Anonymous No.22570758]

>>22570737
Nihilistic gay sex it's not a philosophy

[Anonymous No.22570770]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22570783]

>>22570737
It's just boring. Chapter summaries from the Second Apocalypse wiki are almost all what you need from his story.

>the books have plenty of adventure and atmosphere though
Nah, it's very watered down. Even Skin Eaters' adventure is watered down by Akka and Mimara's recollections, etc. And it's not particularly interesting recollections, just another moaning and whining.

>with his philosophical stuff
Moaning and whining are not philosophical stuff.

[Anonymous No.22570815]

>>22570480
>They're
that looks like a female (she) unless it's a tranny

[Anonymous No.22570824]

>>22570610
>>22570617
>>22570556
>>22570563
Gonna try Conan, Drizzt, Mistborn, and then Lord of the Rings in that order of filterings.

>>22570815
I said they cause it's a video game character, but yes she's a female video game character.

[Anonymous No.22570837]

>>22570824
Try Gemmell's Waylander. It's like Sam Fisher in a dark-fantasy setting.

[Anonymous No.22570838]

>>22570824
Also forgot to mention that you should read Azure Bounds and Elfshadow if you liked bg3, The banter in old forgotten realms was on point.

[Anonymous No.22570842]

Has our resident shitposter been advertising the thread during his crossboarding adventures, so we get even move newfaggotry than previously thought?

[Anonymous No.22570870]

Best post-Herbert Dune novel?

[Anonymous No.22570875]

>>22570758
That's good, because the actual philosophy in the books have nothing to do with nihilistic gay sex.
>>22570783
The only character that does a lot of actual moaning and whining is Akka, because he got cucked and because he's a neurotic with Kellhus living rent free in his head. I never found any of the recollections and internal monologues boring, but I did find some of the philosophical underpinnings heavy handed.

[Anonymous No.22570892]

>>22570842
You assume that people who mostly post on other boards actually read.

[Anonymous No.22570931]

>>22570719
Bullshit

[Anonymous No.22570947]

>>22570875
>I never found any of the recollections and internal monologues boring
Good for you. But I like only Bakker's setting, action scenes and adventures.

[Anonymous No.22570960]

>>22570870
Doesn't exist, they are all trash.

[Anonymous No.22570972]

>>22570892
I don't and that's why we get the same entry-level casual normalfag posts every single thread.

[Anonymous No.22571003]

>>22570947
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.22571020]

>>22570931
It's my headcanon

[Anonymous No.22571053]

>>22570480
That is the worst most normalfaggot looking character I've ever seen. 3 really is total dogshit. May Bhaal cut your throat while you sleep, sir.

[Anonymous No.22571066]

>>22570564
Gimme some slop with incest
Mother aunt or sister; I want them pregnant too

[Anonymous No.22571086]

>>22570480
Check out Guy Gavriel Kay. I'll also suggest Wolfe's Latro series. They both can have some pretty dense prose though, so keep that in mind.
Sorry, but I find people getting filtered by Bakker absolutely hilarious.

[Anonymous No.22571104]

>>22571086
>Guy Gavriel Gay

[Anonymous No.22571134]

>>22571086
>Guy Gavriel Kay
I love kay and wolfe but they are not booklet friendly, specially something like Fionavar or New Sun

[Anonymous No.22571154]

>>22571134
Agreed. The booklet needs a dose of Elric to get him started. If he can look pass some of the silly pulp stuff it should be a fun intro into the genre.

[Anonymous No.22571177]

>>22571154
woah...he's literally me..

[Anonymous No.22571190]

>>22571177
>Incel with an incest fetish who dies because of his own pessimism and stupidity
Average 4chan user

[Anonymous No.22571192]

>>22571134
>>22571154
I was just thinking that if he liked stuff like kenshi and morrowind, it might be a good fit.
Elric's a good choice yeah.

[Anonymous No.22571193]

>>22571066
Pic related literally ends with Lazarus having an incest wedding with his mom (just like in my japanese Doujins!)

[Anonymous No.22571197]

>>22571190
got a bitchin' evil sword tho

[Anonymous No.22571297]

>>22571193
Wtf is heinleins problem

[Anonymous No.22571302]

>>22571297
I asked for incest but I'm not with a whore fml

[Anonymous No.22571318]

Going to the stream by the house, they quickly disrobed. Eragon surreptitiously watched the elf, curious as to what he looked like without his clothes. Oromis was very thin, yet his muscles were perfectly defined, etched under his skin with the hard lines of a woodcut. No hair grew upon his chest or legs, not even around his groin. His body seemed almost freakish to Eragon, compared to the men he was used to seeing in Carvahall—although it had a certain refined elegance to it, like that of a wildcat.

[Anonymous No.22571332]

>>22571302
It's basically My Mom is a AV Actress by Cuzukago but written 40 years ago, slut mom whores around her entire life her son forgives her and they get married.

[Anonymous No.22571333]

>>22571318
Wow.

[Anonymous No.22571366]

>>22570382
Read The Iron Dream by Spinrad

Also grimdark is anti-fantasy in a similar way to how anti-western and anti-samurai are anti their own genre.
Maybe was rather than is because most grimdark now is just normal fantasy with a bit of edginess and some character deaths.

[Anonymous No.22571396]

>>22570567
isekai are for slant eyed freaks who seek validation rather than entertainment from fantasy many of those stories end up as shallow power fantasies for deranged asians

[Anonymous No.22571399]

Finishing Signalis has left me craving more confusing schizo shit, any good recs?

[Anonymous No.22571423]

>>22569823
Erikson and Esslemont are fairly old. They probably preceded Bakker in terms of earlier publication history, although Steven Erikson used another name (his real name) for literary fiction.

[Anonymous No.22571438]

Finally reading the 20 page essay on "The Grand Northern Conspiracy" for ASOIAF
I really hope that TWOW comes out

[Anonymous No.22571459]

>>22571297
People actually read this rubbish?

[Anonymous No.22571470]

>>22571438
>I really hope that TWOW comes out
Just give up

[Anonymous No.22571471]

>>22571438
Never happening after Georgie messed up his timeskip.

[Anonymous No.22571472]

>>22571471
>Georgie messed up his timeskip
??

[Anonymous No.22571476]

>>22571438
I really hope that you don't wake up

[Anonymous No.22571479]

>>22571471
The timeskip was supposed to be between ASOS and ADWD, he's over that hurdle.
The problem is that he literally didn't write anything from 2012-2019, he just passed off cut content from ADWD as sample chapters
>>22571472
The original plan for ASOIAF was for it to be a trilogy with a 5 year time skip in the middle.
GRRM moved way past that now and has cut some story lines (Dany going to Asshai, etc.) but we in turn get a lot of characters being way too young (Arya, master assassin, age 11, Sansa, political prodigy, age 13, rugged Jon Snow, age 18, etc.)

[Anonymous No.22571485]

>>22571472
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.22571491]

Now to turn the discussion toward a GOOD book with a fuckton of setup plotlines leading toward a gripping conclusion... I sure hope Dungeon Crawler Carl's finale burns everything to the ground.

[Anonymous No.22571508]

>>22571470
Never, not until he finally croaks passed out on a bed of HBO money

[Anonymous No.22571540]

It's sad the cast such an old woman to play her in the show.

[Anonymous No.22571543]

>>22571540
I'm reading it now, but I watched the show first and can't Imagine her that young even if I tried. It fucking blows.

[Anonymous No.22571554]

>>22571543
>>22571540
Yeah the actors were good but half of them were too attractive/not nearly attractive enough for the roles they were given

Tyrion is grotesquely ugly [and gets his actual nose chopped off in book 2]
Catelyn is supposed to be incredibly beautiful
Lysa is supposed to look like a fatter, older Catelyn, so a post-wall woman who used to be attractive
Sansa is supposed to be mini-Cat and be very attractive
Bran, Rickon, and Robb don't look like Starks, they look like Tullys, and have brown/ginger hair
Ned/Arya/Jon all are kinda ugly with long faces
Cersei is supposed to be drop-dead gorgeous
Littlefinger is supposed to be a mini-manlet
etc.

[Anonymous No.22571561]

>>22566873
Slowest moving shit ever. Gum sucking and Hulking out. That was the extent of everything that ever happened.

[Anonymous No.22571598]

>>22571554
This mostly correct but Ned, Arya, and Jon aren't ugly (like Tyrion or perhaps Brienne are described as), they just have the Stark look with long faces. Arya is described as pretty but multiple people when that lady forces her to bathe and dress in feminine clothes and Ned and Jon seem to attract attention from women pretty easily.

[Anonymous No.22571611]

>>22571598
Jon is supposed to have scars all over his face from the bird

[Anonymous No.22571612]

>>22571598
>Ned and Jon seem to attract attention from women pretty easily.
I don't remember this with either of them outside of Ygritte

[Anonymous No.22571652]

>>22571611
His scars aren't that disfiguring, unlike Tyrion's nose.
>>22571612
He's consistently described as womanish by the wildlings (though to be fair some of this comes from a giant due to the lack of beard and the rest is teasing/insults). He doesn't look feminine or anything but nothing seems to indicate being ugly. He just isn't as conventionally attractive as say, Robb. Ned attracted the attention of Ashara Dayne during the False Spring tournament, no? Again he probably wouldn't be considered as attractive as Brandon Stark but most likely isn't ugly. Catelyn's descriptions of him as being less attractive than Brandon focus more on his morose demeanor with a bit of the long face stuff.

[Anonymous No.22571663]

>>22571485
>>22571471
Extremely breedable women, I can imagine their bellies getting bigger with my babies

[Anonymous No.22571681]

>>22571652
>Catelyn's descriptions of him as being less attractive than Brandon focus more on his morose demeanor with a bit of the long face stuff.
I assumed he was significantly less attractive since Cat talks about how it took her a long time to learn to love him but alternatively Catelyn is a psycho bitch and him being solemn probably gave her the ick

[Anonymous No.22571692]

>>22571540
Catelyn looks like THAT in the books?!? Picked up

[Anonymous No.22571693]

>>22571479
Wasn't Dany pregnant at like 13 too

[Anonymous No.22571702]

>>22571693
Yes. Dany x Drogo is VERY rapey in the books

[Anonymous No.22571704]

There isn't a single reasonable person in ASoIF

[Anonymous No.22571714]

>>22571704
Just like irl

[Anonymous No.22571716]

>>22571540
Mommy!

[Anonymous No.22571722]

>just finished with the 2nd book of age of madness
>scared to start reading the 3rd one because ive been already spoiled on a lot of things
The worst part is, that outside of orso, every pov is a cunt

[Anonymous No.22571733]

>>22571702
I wish some retard sold me his sister for me to groom...

[Anonymous No.22571736]

>>22571722
>Spoilertard
Do redditors really?...................

[Anonymous No.22571740]

>>22571733
Her brother is also revealed to have to tried to rape her before she gets married

[Anonymous No.22571744]

>>22571740
The the first Dany pov literally shows Viserys molesting her kek

[Anonymous No.22571745]

Every time I'm interested in a book I look up all the 1 star goodreads reviews, if all the reviews just complain about racism/sexism/homophobia I know it's a good book with almost no real flaws

[Anonymous No.22571746]

>>22571702
I mean, what's worse, Drogo not caring and just getting down to business or the..problematic way Martin wrote it (with his dick in his hand)? There is no universe where Drogo doesn't fuck her the first night.
>>22571681
Ned came back from the war depressed AND with a bastard, which galled Catelyn. I don't blame her for disliking Ned at first and any arranged marriage is going to be dutiful, they were lucky it turned into real love later.

[Anonymous No.22571764]

>>22571704
Name one unreasonable thing Jamie has done.
>fucking Cersei
one of hottest women in westeros, any man would kill to have her. even saggy tits milf cersei is hotter than 99% of women, mature are also the best kind
>tossing bran out of the tower
he was a little sneak thief spying on them
>charging through the whispering wood
LITERAL gallant knight shit, his troops were ambushed and surrounded, if he cut his way to robb and killed him the war would have ended right then and there
>attacking Ned in KL
catelyn started it by being retarded
>getting into a fight with brienne instead of prioritizing his escape, leading to his getting his hand chopped off
she was mouthy and rude and even started and in chains he almost beat her

[Anonymous No.22571770]

>>22570564
But I want the aunty...

[Anonymous No.22571772]

>>22571744
Illyrio in ADWD talks about how Viserys tried to break into her room muttering about taking her maidenhood too

[Anonymous No.22571777]

All this pedo incest shit pales in comparison to the absolute degenerate garbage the japs and chinks write up

[Anonymous No.22571780]

>>22571704

ASOIAF Book 1 spoilers ahead

Half way through, and I'm starting to get that feeling. Catelyn taking Tyrion captive is the most egregiously retarded thing that's happened so far. Who the hell would give a one of a kind blade that could be traced back to them to an assassin to kill the son of the king's hand? For someone not wanting to get caught there is zero reason to do such a thing other than them being utterly retarded, and the Lannisters have shown to be anything but that so far.

And yes, I know that's not the case, and Littlefinger lied, but nonetheless it's what Catelyn believes in the story. And even IF that's what actually happened the decision to take Tyrion is still stupid. You're risking war and putting your husband and daughters in danger for what? A rumor and a knife? What an absolute moron. Worst of all every consequence following this action of hers will be based on a foundation that is not sound. No matter what happens the feeling that none of this should even be happening will not go away. I'm seething, I'm malding, and I'm tired of reading about fucking food and heraldry.

[Anonymous No.22571785]

>>22571780
>Half way through, and I'm starting to get that feeling. Catelyn taking Tyrion captive is the most egregiously retarded thing that's happened so far.
It is one of the most retarded woman moments in the series

[Anonymous No.22571795]

New!!!

>>22571793
>>22571793
>>22571793

[Anonymous No.22571841]

shit fucking normalfag thread already
whoa harry potter!