Imagine reading something from this man.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:56:36 2023 No.22558346 [Reply] [Original]

Imagine reading something from this man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:58:37 2023 No.22558355 >talking or even thinking about John Green. You must be 18 years of age to post on this site.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:58:53 2023 No.22558356 >>22558346 I still think this whole scale exists because of some misunderstanding about what it means to be able to visualize an apple in your mind's eye.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:58:57 2023 No.22558357 Does he not have dreams?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:59:33 2023 No.22558361 >y'all Nothing intelligent has ever come after this word.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:59:48 2023 No.22558363 Have these people literally never experienced a dream? A nightmare? That's literally a core human experience, is it not? If you can experience a dream then surely you can visualize shapes, images, colours etc in your mind. Right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:00:13 2023 No.22558365 >>22558356 What's the misunderstanding?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:00:56 2023 No.22558367 >>22558355 john green and npcs like him unfortunately take up a lot of resources in the world. so they must be considered

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:01:42 2023 No.22558370 >>22558365 not him, but clearly the faggots pretending that they are manifesting an apple in front of them and not vividly imagining it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:02:03 2023 No.22558372 >>22558356 >no one actually sees things in their mind, its all a misunderstanding...right guys? npc detected

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Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:03:48 2023 No.22558387

>>22558370
>in front of them
No, this can't be the confusion, it's pretty obvious by the apple inside the person's head that the visualization is inside your mind, not augmented reality in front of you. It's pretty obvious. The apples are inside the heads in the picture.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:03:56 2023 No.22558389

If you want to experience the most vivid form of imagination, you should try entering the hypnagogic state, a brief period between wakefulness and sleep. You can train your brain to linger in that state by constantly waking yourself up through Inception-style kick, like holding a spoon in your hands that drops if you fall asleep. Einstein and Salvador Dali swore by this method as their prime source of inspiration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:04:13 2023 No.22558390 File: 261 KB, 1928x1080, Screenshot_20220121-053708_YouTube.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558346 This guy got bullied off of tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:04:22 2023 No.22558392 File: 56 KB, 977x721, FfIhx7MXoAAxXk1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558346 He's a creep but he's still a good writer

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:05:07 2023 No.22558396 File: 504 KB, 719x1057, literal cuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] John Green can't imagine people putting their dicks in his cereal confirmed

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:05:32 2023 No.22558400 >>22558346 does these people have dreams i wonder? they must not have dreams because if they did how could they not understand visualizing in their minds?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:05:45 2023 No.22558402 >>22558387 the way people talk about it, due to the meme, can be misleading. i don't really understand the complete inability to visualize on command, but because it has captured the public there are a lot of exaggerations.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:06:43 2023 No.22558405

>>22558389
Yes, I've experienced it a few times.
Things feel extraordinarily clear, you see objects in the room with total clarity. I made myself see a sculpture, a picture of the sea etc. When I tried to see a nude women it stopped. Oh, well! Happened a few times, don't know if I can induce it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:06:50 2023 No.22558408

>>22558370
>>22558387
Actually I can manifest an image of an apple in front of me, in my hand, etc. It's not as clear as in my head and requires more focus. I can also induce the weight, texture, smell, taste, phantom touch, etc. Like I'm a schizophrenic but aware.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:06:51 2023 No.22558409

>>22558356
Perhaps. Albeit, some people really do claim that they cant project a 3D object into space they observe.
It would be interestinf to se reaearch done how it comes to this. I have a hunch it has to do with way we memoryse things from early childhood.
When you think off it, memorysing things by words only and packing them up seems more resourcefull then remembering the whole fucking picture of a certain detail or object in general.

What i know is, one of my friends when asked "How does John look like" says she just remembers all words that she ascribes to him. On other hand i allways present my self picture of a John and describe him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:06:58 2023 No.22558410 >>22558356 No, he's saying he can't imagine an apple inside his mind but only the feelings/ideas associated with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:08:23 2023 No.22558416 >>22558408 is that how you regular recall things?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:08:41 2023 No.22558417

>>22558402
>>22558402
>but because it has captured the public there are a lot of exaggerations.
i.e.
>there must some rational explanation for why there are so many people who can't visualize an apple
Yes. There is. The majority of people on this planet are NPCs who have literally no free will, no imagination, and no internal monologue. There is no point in sugar coating it. There is no point seeking for answers beyond this. Most people are not sentient beings, but automata.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:09:51 2023 No.22558424 >>22558416 No it's usually in my head and not projected into my field of vision because doing that requires concentration. Visualizing in my head doesn't require any work.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:10:11 2023 No.22558427
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>>22558389
>dreams for inspiration
literally the lowest tier of inspiration. the people i've talked to that do this were pathetically uncreative. on the same level as those who do drugs to try and be creative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:11:04 2023 No.22558430 >>22558400 A lot of people don't dream at all. All boomers dream in black/white.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:12:18 2023 No.22558434 >>22558427 No, dreams are a kino source. Most are not good, though.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:12:45 2023 No.22558438

Phantasia Pleb
>can only understand an object as an physical object
>rooted in material world, slave of the demiurge
>"sees" things, aka their phenomenal appearances
>his mind is just a glorified mirror
>cannot understand books, thinks reading means playing a movie in his head

Abstract Thinker Chadson
>cognizes past superficialities
>on direct line to the world of Forms, was born outside the Cave
>thinks about thoughts about thoughts about thoughts...all the way to the Prime Mover
>has never sees an image in his life, even with eyes open, only sees the effervescent anima mundi
>knows that numbers are real, has a few in his pocket

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:12:45 2023 No.22558437 >>22558390 How?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:13:46 2023 No.22558441 File: 398 KB, 2520x2000, 1696132138542322.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558389 This anon knows what's up. I try to have as much fun with mine as I can, but I can scarcely get more than a few minutes out of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:13:47 2023 No.22558442 >>22558346 This is so fucking fake. Im a 5 but I can still "imagine" scenes but I dont acutally fucking see them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:14:23 2023 No.22558445 >>22558438 >NPCs have created a cope for their mental defficiency lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:14:39 2023 No.22558448 >>22558417 there are lots of less intelligent people but i reject the idea that there are any humans that don't have the divine spark within them

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:15:24 2023 No.22558452 >>22558442 >I dont acutally fucking see them. elaborate

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:16:19 2023 No.22558456 >>22558372 It's the other way around. I can't imagine someone NOT being able to see things in their mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:16:24 2023 No.22558459 >>22558427 Read Jung. Also sorry to hear that you have such uninteresting dreams.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:16:47 2023 No.22558461 >>22558438 >implying none of the "ideal forms" are geometric Your meme falls flat here

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:21:01 2023 No.22558476 >>22558390 qrd?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:22:28 2023 No.22558481 >>22558388 Holy shit. What a train wreck.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:23:40 2023 No.22558486
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>>22558437
>>22558476
There was a time on tumblr where you could edit someone else's posts for some fucking reason. This led to people constantly altering John Greene's posts into something sexual, mostly related to him being a cocksucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:24:53 2023 No.22558491 >>22558486 wow women are mean!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:25:00 2023 No.22558493 File: 360 KB, 1011x1920, tumblr_1be57bd8cc93f1775b58cf4843608fc7_24628f9b_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558486 He tried to limit the damage done to his account, fishingboatproceeds, but it was too late and he left the site.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:28:22 2023 No.22558511 >>22558493 Thinking about it, the damage control he tried there is super odd. He tries to pretend as if that editor did it to make gay blowjobs seem shameful lol, instead of just making him look foolish. What a loathsome guy.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:29:38 2023 No.22558517
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>>22558459
sorry to hear you've never experienced real creativity, and thus have to resort to taking inspiration from a semi coherent mishmashed jumble of random thoughts and feels

its easy to prove that dreams are shit, because many artists have the cliche idea of "trying to create a piece that feels like a dream". and they are always shit

real creativity happens in the waking world

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:30:36 2023 No.22558522
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>>22558346
Question /lit/
So I can “visualize” an orange in all 3 demensions in my mind; but I feel distinctally it is some orange I have seen before
Just like removed from context outside
Does this make me a 1 a 5 or somewhere in between?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:30:54 2023 No.22558524 >>22558346 The shit this fucker pulled in the Anne Frank House was insane. Feel bad for his brother tho. Hope he beats the cancer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:31:45 2023 No.22558525 >>22558509 Lol, I can imagine it having happened but John not reporting it to the police because he liked it so much and because being a "person engaging in same sex relations" is already oh so hard so why make the rapist's life harder :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:32:27 2023 No.22558527 >>22558517 >It's one or the other! this faggot lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:32:32 2023 No.22558529 >>22558370 You can't create a mental image so strong that you become blind to the visual stimuli around you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:32:59 2023 No.22558531 >>22558522 You can't think of that image but bloated and rotting? Or do you need to see a bloated and rotting orange?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:35:02 2023 No.22558540 >>22558529 daydreaming? yeah, but it remains within my mind. it is more that i have retreated into my mind than manifested the image into the world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:36:17 2023 No.22558546 >>22558493 >people with penises >people with penises >learn how to insult someone Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:39:54 2023 No.22558555 >>22558540 >day dreaming No. It's more like trying to remember if you turned the kettle on so you replay the event in your head and watch what happened. It's not the same as getting lost in thought, it's visual thinking.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:40:21 2023 No.22558556

>>22558356
I agree, this is always a recurrent theme in these threads. I tend to feel that many of the people in these threads who claim to be highly imaginative "seers" and accuse others of being NPCs may actually be much less creative and imaginative than they think, like a Dunning-Kruger effect of the imagination -- they share the same kind of complete literalism, one-sided intolerance and refusal of metaphor that characterises the opposite side of the completely autistic or unimaginative: they don't seem to understand that "seeing" is a metaphor for what actually occurs in the process of imagination, nor do they seem to ever concede any faults or have a realistic appraisal of their own imagination -- they claim to be able to see anything, anytime, in complete detail, etc.. On the other hand, you do apparently have people like this >>22558408 who do literally "see" objects through the production of their imagination, visionary/Blake types. There I would have to concede that I am utterly incapable as I believe most people are.
I also think that the imagination is not a process that can be "willed" and those who claim to wield at as a power over others are also betraying a kind of literalism and selfishness in their understanding of the imagination. Imagination is surely not a power we can wield but a gift we are given. I believe the imagination is a passive experience: if I attempt to "will" an image of an apple before me, for example, it's usually faint and seems to disappear the more I focus upon it. But experiencing it within the context of a story, or a daydream, when I am not really concentrating upon it, then it appears more vividly. This is partly why I believe most of us experience dreams just as vividly or near-vividly as real life in a way that the waking imagination cannot supply, in that they occur in an unconscious state.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:42:45 2023 No.22558563

>>22558556
>On the other hand, you do apparently have people like this >>22558408 who do literally "see" objects through the production of their imagination, visionary/Blake types.
You can't "see" yourself holding an apple, biting in to it, feeling the texture and the juices and the sweetness in your mouth? It helps if you play it out with your hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:43:28 2023 No.22558566 >>22558346 I mean, in all seriousness, is anyone surprised he's an NPC?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:44:57 2023 No.22558570 >>22558563 I can imagine and recall the sensations, but can't block out my hand by mentally imposing an image over it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:45:28 2023 No.22558571 I see things in the same way I see a memory

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:47:31 2023 No.22558577

>>22558563
Of course I can, but it is not the same as experiencing the sensation. There is clearly a difference that that above anon claims to be able to breach -- manifesting an actual object or hallucinating it before you. All I am claiming is that I have the power of imagination without being able to hallucinate at will, which is the experience for most people.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:47:56 2023 No.22558579
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Nobody is making the deeper connections here. This teaches us that the Jews lack the imaginative capacity of the Aryans and therefore act entirely on instinct, hence their failure to recognise their collapsing influence and eventual expulsion.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:48:58 2023 No.22558585 >>22558566 I wish his liberal worldview would get shattered. Something impactful so all his smugness leaves his body right before he dies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:49:05 2023 No.22558586 >>22558570 I can see the apple in my hand but I can't block out reality either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:49:20 2023 No.22558588 >>22558346 When I try to picture an apple I see an apple bottomed ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:49:53 2023 No.22558590 >>22558555 yeah I do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:51:29 2023 No.22558600 >>22558452 It is pitch black in my mind but I still "see" the thought. But not with any visuals and certainly no color.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:52:56 2023 No.22558603 If you can masturbate with just your imagination you're good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:54:52 2023 No.22558610 >>22558590 A lot of people don't and even fewer do it in high res (i.e. to the point the thought blocks out other stimuli). That's what the scale is meant to represent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:54:59 2023 No.22558613 >>22558603 I precum almost every day from imagination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:55:04 2023 No.22558614 >>22558603 Sadly, noone under 40 can do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:55:50 2023 No.22558619 >>22558517 Sorry to hear that. Trying reading Kafka!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:56:55 2023 No.22558622 File: 28 KB, 620x413, 105812053246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558582 i mean, good lord

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:57:00 2023 No.22558623 >>22558600 How do you see without visuals though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:57:28 2023 No.22558626 >>22558614 I can because nothing I could find could ever fulfil the fantasy of being magically transformed into a girl and having sex with men Been doing it since I was a kid I wonder if this is why I visualise when I read now

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:58:01 2023 No.22558631 >>22558531 I can make the bloated and rotten orange look different but my first instinct is to aroyten orange I’ve seen before,,

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:58:02 2023 No.22558632 >>22558614 I'm 27 and I can

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:58:12 2023 No.22558633
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>>22558603
>If you can masturbate with just your imagination you're good.
I've fucked every hot girl and twink I've ever met with the power of advanced eidetic imagination ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:59:12 2023 No.22558638 >>22558556 based >t vivid imaginer who doesn't delude himself into thinking he's a mind wizard for having a mind's eye.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:59:21 2023 No.22558639 >>22558579 John Green is white. Also I'm non-white and I'm able to visualize things in my mind. There goes your /pol/ argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:59:57 2023 No.22558642 I accidentally posted this on /tv/ too, so feel free to check out the parallel discussion while it lasts. >>>190532878

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:00:27 2023 No.22558645 >>22558639 >There goes your /pol/ argument. So why are all the Twitter kikes complaining of a lack of inner visualisation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:01:22 2023 No.22558650 I accidentally posted this on /tv/ too, so feel free to check out the parallel discussion while it lasts. >>>/tv/190532878

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:01:31 2023 No.22558651 >>22558639 Impressive! Now, visualize your hallway not beeping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:01:44 2023 No.22558653 File: 144 KB, 1440x900, 9480807A-A337-4E16-99EF-E3A2AC50BF4D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558639 >Also I'm non-white

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:02:33 2023 No.22558655 >>22558639 >John Green is white

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:02:41 2023 No.22558656 >>22558355 Wasn't his first book published like 15 years ago

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:04:01 2023 No.22558664 >>22558639 do you feel like your non-white family and compatriots are as imaginative and intelligent as you are?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:04:25 2023 No.22558666 >>22558556 Nah it's likely autistic people are very internally creative sure it's a form of intelligence but it doesn't mean they use it well or apply it either

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:07:35 2023 No.22558693 >>22558639 Post ancestry

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:08:16 2023 No.22558698 >>22558622 >>22558582 grim

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:10:24 2023 No.22558710 >>22558650 i love /tv/ but that thread is a shitshow

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:12:45 2023 No.22558723

>>22558664
Very people few are, whatever their origin. I realized /pol/'s arguments were BS after meeting many Europeans. I was not only more knowledgeable than them (in matters of art, literature, history) but also more creative and imaginative. The average Euro is a pleb, nothing to write home about. I've nothing against them but everything against /pol/'s lies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:14:57 2023 No.22558732 >>22558639 >one mulatto claims he can visualize things in his head Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:15:26 2023 No.22558735 >>22558346 How do people even enjoy books without visualizing what they are reading?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:16:04 2023 No.22558738
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>>22558723
>I've nothing against them but everything against /pol/'s lies.
Modern European culture is Weimar Germany to the tenth power. Whites at least have the highest capacity for advanced intellect and creativity. Most nonwhites are literally just animals living in the present, supremely ignorant of all imagination or foresight.
Even if you're as smart as you think you are, your offspring will likely just fall back into the cesspool of general bastardisation and mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:17:52 2023 No.22558747 >>22558723 you kind of sidestepped my question. it was meant to ascertain whether your kin are high IQ. do you not acknowledge mean IQ differences for different races?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:18:32 2023 No.22558749 >>22558662 >John Green is white

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:19:08 2023 No.22558753 >>22558738 if he has a high IQ partner they will likely have high IQ offspring. regression to the mean applies to the larger populations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:20:49 2023 No.22558755 >>22558753 >if he has a high IQ partner they will likely have high IQ offspring. But they will just be another mud that we have to remove from our genepool

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:25:30 2023 No.22558774 >>22558400 >>22558566 It's a humblebrag because you're supposedly a concrete visualizer while John Green is a multisensorial synesthetic Chad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:25:44 2023 No.22558775 >>22558755 where you do you live?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:26:23 2023 No.22558777

>>22558389
I notice this when I'm driving while incredibly tired. The kicks happen constantly from suddenly realizing I need to be awake to not die, but I can semi-consciously watch things in my field of view vividly transform into completely different objects like an out-of-control dream world. It probably would be really neat to do in a controlled, safe environment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:27:21 2023 No.22558781 File: 967 KB, 500x281, tumblr_nrlmivoIIE1rm6l18o3_r1_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558753 He's a midwit though and so is his trannie looking wife.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:27:36 2023 No.22558783 when i went on ADHD meds i literally lost the ability to vividly visualize in my head. i think people really do have different levels of being able to do this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:28:22 2023 No.22558786 >>22558781 >her (((nose)))

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:28:58 2023 No.22558788 File: 146 KB, 1024x1024, 3910D460-E16A-4378-8623-C70D0E9EF827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558775 >where you do you live? Here

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:36:06 2023 No.22558809 >>22558732 I'm not a mulatto but I'm not joking. I can imagine entire movies if I want. >>22558747 My dad is high IQ but leans more towards math/science. >>22558738 Finding an intelligent woman to reproduce is hard, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:38:55 2023 No.22558818 File: 67 KB, 500x500, 11EAD2AB-358F-4EAA-9724-D64ACA4460F5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558363 >literally >literally shut the fuck up you dumb bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:40:27 2023 No.22558824 >>22558809 >Finding an intelligent woman to reproduce is hard Eh. I value the right spirit and love for truth more than intellect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:41:44 2023 No.22558830 File: 547 KB, 743x2488, Socrates and John Green.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558396 Lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:43:53 2023 No.22558835 File: 30 KB, 304x712, B78EEB1F-5B59-4067-BC44-FAE927796229_4_5005_c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558639 >John Green is white.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:44:38 2023 No.22558837 >>22558835 Is he not? >>22558662

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:54:47 2023 No.22558878 I think this all a misunderstanding. These number 5 people have dreams right? What is a dream except a mental visualization?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:58:05 2023 No.22558897 >>22558781 oy vey, that nose is like annuda shoah

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:58:29 2023 No.22558898 >>22558837 >Is he not? He's a very well hidden Jew. Most Jews lie on national censuses. Does anyone honestly believe there are only like 20 million of them? It's 50 million at the very least..

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:59:25 2023 No.22558902 >>22558878 Some people don't dream in images but in sensations/feelings

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:09:54 2023 No.22558951 >>22558788 >88 chegged but also, that explains the low IQ reductionism

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:12:31 2023 No.22558963 >>22558951 >that explains the low IQ reductionism What am I reducing anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:12:42 2023 No.22558964 >>22558818 Cope and seethe, aphantasoid. You will not be admitted to the kingdom of heaven because you have no sentience. Begone.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:19:10 2023 No.22559001

>>22558582
Wtf does he mean that “it’s just text.” Surely if I mentioned that a character had blonde hair and wore a suit and asked him to draw that character, he wouldn’t just draw an empty suit suspended below a floating toupee. So clearly his mind must make approximations and visual schemas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:19:45 2023 No.22559004 >>22558346 >guy who writes vapid shit for 14 year old girls and hates Greek philosophy has no internal monologue how unsurprising

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:20:29 2023 No.22559006 >>22558346 I think I shift on the scale, depends how mindful I am.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:33:45 2023 No.22559061 >>22558963 Race to worth Ignoring exemplary specimens

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:41:52 2023 No.22559086 >>22558997 Based Gurdjieff poster

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:46:41 2023 No.22559105 >>22558623 Because I know from memory what a certain thing looks like? I dont need to see an apple infront of me to know in my mind how an apple looks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:58:26 2023 No.22559136 File: 195 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558781 >trannie looking wife Lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:02:11 2023 No.22559144 >>22558781 I would feminize her with little regard for her safety.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:16:01 2023 No.22559180 >>22558409 >How does John look like Man, I don't know, ese. I haven't seen him since 6 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:28:39 2023 No.22559210 >>22558898 >very well hidden Not to anyone who knows Green is a Jew name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:30:45 2023 No.22559219 >>22559210 Not necessarily.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:36:07 2023 No.22559238 >>22558524 >The shit this fucker pulled in the Anne Frank House was insane What did he do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:42:40 2023 No.22559261 >>22558614 im 20 and i can. I'd be surprised to learn most people my age can't masturbate with their imagination, but most of them probably don't do it in practice though

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:45:56 2023 No.22559269 >>22558603 I find it’s better this way. The imagination is stronger than reality. Once in a while I’ll use pics, preferably non-nudity ones

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:48:15 2023 No.22559274

>>22558830
As a cuckold myself I actually found myself siding with Green there in the last few lines. Socrates' final argument is predicated on the notion that sleeping with other men would be a betrayal of trust to begin with. That is the flaw in your argument so I am gonna have to give this one to Green.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:20:52 2023 No.22559517 >>22558356 I think it's people just lying to be different

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:33:54 2023 No.22559546 >>22558356 It's been years and people still fall for this bait.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:37:33 2023 No.22559555

>>22558346
I had an ex gf who had an insane visual imagination. Easily a 1 in the scale. But she had trouble with narrating her thoughts. I wonder if one thing takes from the other, but considering that John Green sucks at both, then it's likely just random.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:39:56 2023 No.22559565 >>22558563 Why put "see" in quotes? Because you know you aren't seeing anything. You're just talking about imagination.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:42:55 2023 No.22559579 File: 78 KB, 598x684, e2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558346 This explains why his prose is so good. For him reading has always been about the language.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:43:11 2023 No.22559580

I don't believe people who claim not to see things in their mind's eye. Imagination is basically an extension of memory, and if they're claiming they don't possess imagination, they shouldn't possess memory either. If someone asks them to describe a place they've visited or the face of someone they know, how are they doing it? It's utter nonsense. Attention seeking LARPers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:43:47 2023 No.22559585 >>22559579 what a gay retard lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:44:20 2023 No.22559588 >>22559579 Based Booboo gets it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:47:58 2023 No.22559596 >>22558346 I went to film school and like half my class couldn't visualize beyond 4 either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:48:49 2023 No.22559600 >>22558365 How anyone could unintentionally visualize the outline of an apple while trying to visualize an apple.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:50:59 2023 No.22559607 >>22559596 >I went to film school Sure you did sweaty

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:57:19 2023 No.22559624 >>22559600 Are you retarded? Clearly it's demonstrating a poor mental visual of an apple, not an "unintentional outline" of one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:59:21 2023 No.22559631 >>22559624 I'm just so good at visualizing that I take everything literally, but that's something a visualet like you could never understand. Keep narrating your thoughts that you can't see, monologuecuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:02:59 2023 No.22559640 >>22559631 visualize my dick against your anus primed for entry your hole quivering with delight and trepidation

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:08:17 2023 No.22559653

>>22558346
Whenever someone post that image in twitter you will see a lot of people claiming they are a 1, but that is statistically impossible. The test to know if you're truly a 1 is to imagine a tiger or a zebra so vividly that you can, without any trouble, just as if you were looking at a photograph, count its black strips. If you can't, then you're barely better than a legit retard like John Green.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:10:45 2023 No.22559656 >>22559653 >imagine a tiger or a zebra so vividly that you can, without any trouble, just as if you were looking at a photograph, count its black strips I'm a 1, but that's impossible. Not even I can do that and I seriously doubt anyone can.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:13:04 2023 No.22559659 >>22559631 Nice cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:15:31 2023 No.22559665 >>22559656 Cope.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:19:04 2023 No.22559672

>>22559653
How could anyone even do that? I'm definitely a 1, but I can't keep an image completely still in my mind. It's kind of like looking at a reflection in the water while someone throws small rocks at it, so even if I tried to count the strips, they will keep moving and changing in number.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:20:47 2023 No.22559677 >>22558346 Who is he?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:29:27 2023 No.22559695
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>>22558346
Because of my activity I'm a phenomanally good visual person. Despite this, actually, you couldn't pick a worse board for this kind of posting.
It's probable that people with germanic languages and the such, coupled with a really low cultural environment makes it so that you won't understant where I'm coming from. But reading and using your imagination is really counteresthetic. 95% of the "sacred" "transcendental" "esthetic" value of literature is in its style, flowing, evocative and poetic structure. Imagination is always bland, and in the most authoritative media, where the writer among all artists is the one whose vision is hardest to evade, this 5% of agency that imagination gives ruins a lot of the deep human contact in literature. Well anyways just check Hegel's list on what goes from the most terrestrial to the most ethereal form of art.
nowadays you have cinema and such, it's also the same, where styles matters more than scenario or structure or anything.
It's all about the sacred, transcendental. And You can't see those with your eyes. Even painters came to this conclusion.
Look at Rothko: still probably the most sacred painter

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:48:00 2023 No.22559745 >>22559274 Moral relativists don't get to make objective moral claims.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:49:31 2023 No.22559746 >>22559653 can you can't the veins on my cock that you're imagining near your anus?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:49:51 2023 No.22559747 >>22559745 This. And yet they do all the time. It really pisses me off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:51:09 2023 No.22559751 >>22559672 You're not a 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:59:22 2023 No.22559774 >>22558522 >So I can “visualize” an orange in all 3 demensions in my mind; but I feel distinctally it is some orange I have seen before That's a symptom of autism. Not even joking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:16:48 2023 No.22559806 >>22559624 >can't comprehend what I wrote >vaguely understands he's wrong >calls me a retard Lesser minds projecting at me is always funny

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:19:17 2023 No.22559811 >>22559751 I'm definitely a 1, but only a turbo autist like Tesla could pass that anon's test. A regular person could never do something like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:05:50 2023 No.22559938 >>22558346 There are niggas out there who actually see shit in grayscale in their mind's eye? That's more embarrassing than not being able to see anything at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:11:07 2023 No.22559952 >>22559938 I unironically see in black and white and until I was a teen whenever people talked about colors I thought they meant different shades of gray.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:14:25 2023 No.22559963 >>22559811 It’s alright, anon, I’m a 2 as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:16:47 2023 No.22559968 >>22559952 But that's how you see everything, right? That's acceptable. But seeing colors with your eyes but imagining shit in monochrome is mad embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:25:26 2023 No.22559993 >>22559806 I misread what you wrote, sorry about that. No need to be smug about it though, that's unnecessary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:41:58 2023 No.22560054 >>22559576 That confirms it, fpfagpost

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:31:33 2023 No.22560281 >>22558361 :-( but anon, us southerners used to say it before it got ‘yassified’ and taken over by uppity urbans

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:02:16 2023 No.22560331

>>22559607
Film school sucks. It's literally John Green types who were tryhards in highschool and had the grades to get in, but most of these people have no visual imagination. They have access to the most expensive equipment and use it in the most uninspiring way possible. It's weird, a lot of people light/shoot more like a logic system of what's supposed to work or what has worked than doing interesting things. It makes sense if all they see is a rigid language. to be honest filmmaking isn't that creative of an art, most stuff is shot this way in the industry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:22:07 2023 No.22560361 >>22558448 I guess we should see it this way. Some have a spark like when you try to light up a lighter,others a small flame and theres the people who have a full bonfire.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:23:06 2023 No.22560362 >>22558582 this is genuinely sad to me. That somebody who ostensibly loves books cannot do this. It does explain why I his writing is lacking.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:27:26 2023 No.22560369

>>22558517
You do realize people who take inspiration from dreams can also use their imagination awake right ?
If as you claim true imagination only happens awake and the dreamers are less imaginative you would have to defend the argument that dreaming substract from awakened imagination instead of adding to it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:38:25 2023 No.22560382

>>22559653
Lmao no.
Counting the lines on a zebra or tiger accurately is not even that easy with a picture.
Also im a 1 and can imagine a zebra like it was like 10 meters away but if i try to count the line or focus on details of a bigger picture i imagine the image will shift to those details from closer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:56:38 2023 No.22560413 >>22560382 Then you're not a 1, which is fine. Very few people are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:06:22 2023 No.22560442 >>22560413 Except youre wrong. Im a 1 and Ive always been proud of myself for not being an NPC who cant visualize. Counting the lines of a zebra or tiger in your mind is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:16:18 2023 No.22560456 >>22559653 Massive cope. I have richer imagination than you.the zebra has 57 stripes

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:28:17 2023 No.22560616

>>22558416
NTA but I do that too. When I was a child I used to entertain myself during long car rides by imagining ninjas, jaguars or monsters running alongside me, jumping from roof to roof and avoiding obstacles to keep up. Nowadays I don't superimpose my imagination onto my vision much, and it's a bit more tiring than I remember. The process is pretty similar to regular imagination, but with focus split evenly on the internal and external, if that makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:35:01 2023 No.22560626 >>22558346 It's called Jewish Personality Disorder. I have it too, it's not that bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:35:03 2023 No.22560627 >>22559653 Anon, you just also have a very good working memory. Being a 1 means your spatial intelligence is high, but many of those people won't perform as well in different tasks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:46:14 2023 No.22560648 >>22560382 >Counting the lines on a zebra or tiger accurately is not even that easy with a picture. It is if you've finished third grade. You don't need numbers higher than a few dozen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:46:34 2023 No.22560649 >>22558396 IMAGINE BEING AT COCKS

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:01:41 2023 No.22560679 >>22560382 When I try to count the stripes they always flicker out of existence. Nobody has mentioned this in the thread yet but I get really vivid night terrors sometimes does anyone else get those? Would someone with aphantasia not get those?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:14:59 2023 No.22560706

>>22558556
There absolutely is a gap in interpretation when people speak of "seeing" with their mind's eye. They are however not wrong about there being a visual experience to imagination. It's, however, never quite as vivid as actual sight. One might speak of 'phantom visuals' or 'quasi-sight'; an often dulled or restricted form of visual experience that is in many ways comparable to dreaming.
Another factor that isn't being accounted for is time and effort invested in said imagination. It should be obvious to anyone that the more effort one invests, the more detailed the visualization can become, e.g. imagining the intricate and complex world of Middle Earth can not be done in an instant.
So the question ought to be whether one is capable of performing "quasi-sight" to a certain level of detail (colors, textures, translation, rotation, mutation, ...) within a given time frame.
With all of this in mind, I'd guess that the average person ought to lie somewhere in the middle: visually experiencing memories, imagination and dreams with a decent level of detail. And of course, there would be outliers on both extremes; some would be essentially barred from any visual experience, which is essentially aphantasia, and some who would excel at creating extremely vivid quasi-perceptions at a superb speed.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:28:06 2023 No.22560738

>>22558356
Of course its a misunderstanding. People cannot differentiate between "seeing" and "imagining". I believe that most people who claim to be 4 or 5 have decent visual imagination but they think that the twitter post is asking them to literally hallucinate objects.

I have very good visual imagination. And can easily imagine an apple in 3D, move it around in my head, place it in a completely imaginary kitchen and wach as my imaginary hot gf with blonde locks cuts it in half. But if I were to say that I literally "see" the apple as a visual image, I would be lying. I'm just conjuring up an image straight from memory.

But then there are people like John Greene who apparently don't have imaginative abilities. So I guess 4s and 5s do exist but in smaller numbers than reported.

On the other hand people who can literally hallucinate an object as if it was infront of their eyes like a real object phenomenal experience probably suffer from schizophrenia or some other assortment of mental disorders

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:32:00 2023 No.22560748

>>22560738
I agree with this, because every time I see that scale posted I try it on command and have different results. All biased towards
being able to visualize it, but with varying success. But then at night when I'm going to bed I daydream about girls I fucked or wanted to fuck blowing me.
Maybe a better question to survey would be: do you daydream, if so is it in color?
Also quite sure my first wife had BPD and she was obsessed with this faggot, her favorite book was looking for Alaska and she made me read it. I'll never forget the scene where he's showering or some shit and describing how scrawny and weak he is

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:36:42 2023 No.22560756

>>22560738
>On the other hand people who can literally hallucinate an object as if it was infront of their eyes like a real object phenomenal experience probably suffer from schizophrenia or some other assortment of mental disorders
You can't imagine with your eyes open and then superimpose the object into your sight? It's obviously not as "solid" as a real object would be, it's not a real hallucination

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:51:34 2023 No.22560800 >>22560756 It's always easier to imagine stuff while offing what's actually around. Like, it's easier to imagine touching something wet and cold with imaginary hand rather than the real one because actual senses mess up with the feeling in your mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:00:14 2023 No.22560818 >>22559579 I imagine all the characters as anime girls

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:01:15 2023 No.22560824 >>22558408 No you can't. It's still in your mind's eye. You are imagining the same thing you are seeing with your real eyes in that moment, so the two "screens" are identical and you think they're the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:02:14 2023 No.22560825 >>22560800 I agree that you can't actually feel senses like wet and cold you can only imagine it or recall what it feels like from the last time you felt it

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:05:32 2023 No.22560834

>>22560824
What is the mind's eye? All I know is I close my eyes I imagine an apple, I see it projected on the back of my eyelid, I open my eyes the apple remains. I can imagine the apple in my hands and I can recall what such an apple would feel like if I had it in my hands

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:15:56 2023 No.22560865

>>22560756
Alright I'll bite the bait.

The test asks of you to VISUALISE an apple IN YOUR HEAD. I can easily do that to the same degree of detail as in the pic numbered 1. But that's nothing special since I'm only conjuring up an image based on my visual memory of thousands of apple I've already seen.

But anyway, now that I try it, Its much harder and much less clear to superimpose an apple on actual things that I see. Probably because of all the actual visual input being recieved. If I can abstract out an image of the scenery in my mind I can probably place an apple in it. But when I actually try to focus and "see" that particular spot in real world the apple easily disappears and is replaced by the actual object.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:22:29 2023 No.22560881 >>22560865 Yeah you can't focus too much on the apple with your eyes open or else it changes or flickers It's a little weird that some people can't see anything even in their head though, do these people dream?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:24:49 2023 No.22560884 >>22560881 >or else it changes or flickers If you're a visuallet maybe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:29:00 2023 No.22560896 Why do threads like this attract redditors? Really low IQ low effort discussion in here and it’s disappointing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:31:55 2023 No.22560901 >>22560896 Name names, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:34:06 2023 No.22560908 >>22560881 My theory is that imagination and memory are conducted in different part of the brain than image formation based on optical input. They are fundamentally different things and no one actually "sees" the apple.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:51:17 2023 No.22560946 >>22558346 He always seemed kind of weird; it is hard to be a creative person whether a storyteller or a visual artist without some level of imaginative skills

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:57:18 2023 No.22560960 >>22558396 This argument is actually kind of disrespectful to women; imagine comparing human beings to processed cornflake

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:00:44 2023 No.22560973 >>22560960 Women are just processed sluts. At least the cornflake can feed a man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:01:39 2023 No.22560974 >>22560946 Allegedly Shakespeare couldn't visualize either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:26:04 2023 No.22561009 >>22558346 This is total bullshit. He’s lying

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:08:33 2023 No.22561080 >>22559653 Even better: if you're a 1, can you imagine a face or even just a realistic apple over a piece of paper and draw over it? That would make you a human printer.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:16:05 2023 No.22561086

>>22558493
>>22558511
Yeah, my first thought is that this damage control is way more pathetic than that actual post would be were he to have actually posted it himself earnestly, which would make him a based faggot had he done it. It's so snivelly in the disgusting way that he is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:17:22 2023 No.22561089 >>22561080 My brother can do that and he was obsessed with drawing as a kid and he was amazing at it. He lost his interest in it many, many years ago though, but even now if you ask him to draw something he's still really good at it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:21:04 2023 No.22561097

>>22559105
>>22558600
>It is pitch black in my mind but I still "see" the thought.
That makes you a 1. You would definitely be able to freely imagine arbitrary colored objects as if they were in front of your face, as opposed to just "remembering what they are like", were you capable of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:24:14 2023 No.22561110 >>22560973 Kek, but even if you hate women you must see the irony of a feminist man thinking of them as equal to fucking cornflakes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:26:24 2023 No.22561116 >>22558486 Curious how even leftist women think he is creepy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:27:54 2023 No.22561119 >>22558517 is this image a yugioh referece to godspeed you black emperor

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:29:47 2023 No.22561129 >>22558964 make me a sandwich

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:33:08 2023 No.22561136 >>22560901 he's probably talking about all the liars pretending the scale is referring to IRL hallucinations. hope you're not one of them.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:40:43 2023 No.22561149

>>22559579
I've been studying Pound, Williams, and Olsen. People ask me about it and reverence leaves me unable to speak. And now I'm here reading about a famous writer of our age and he wouldn't even be able to engage in the process of absorbing that material let alone reach any level of understanding. John Green is a savage.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:42:41 2023 No.22561157
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I have some very vivid nightmares when I'm sleeping like some of the most horrifying shit, but when I'm awake I can only imagine things in a very blurry way and it kinda dissipates very shortly after it's imagined up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:45:17 2023 No.22561164 >>22561157 i suspect this is a working memory problem i am capable of vivid imagination but i find it is sometimes difficult to summon the mental energy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:17:25 2023 No.22561271 >>22558389 Don't do this. This is how you create a Tulpa. Mine has been fucking me nonstop for years. It has killed my corporeal sex life.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:20:50 2023 No.22561282

>>22560834
Mind's eye is your imagination, stuff you see inside your head without eyes. In your case (assuming you don't have hallucinations) you are imagining the same scenario that you are actually seeing in reality but with an apple added, so you can't really tell which one is real because they're identical (minus the apple).

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:40:58 2023 No.22561342

>>22558346
Alright retards step aside, I will explain what this means so hopefully some of you would understand and this meme would die over time.
Firstly, I see some people mixing it up with inner monologue, that is another topic but probably related at least in concept if not in physiology as well.
Since we are talking about subjective experience, it is natural that there is some confusion on this subject. But the greater culprit is this meme image itself. I doubt that that scale was created based on interviewing multiple people but rather than was based on the assumptions and misunderstandings of one man.
There is no 1 to 5 scale as it is pictured in that image.
Some people cannot see things in their mind's eye. Eyes closed or open. They cannot imagine hot girls to masturbate or have the sheep jump on the fence as they count to them to fall asleep.
That does not necessarily make them dull, as having no inner monologue does not make people NPCs. There are different ways to conceptualize, visualize, and understand the world around us and within us. There are many creative people who cannot see in their mind's eye. Some people see the word itself when they hear or read a word, rather than the thing it signifies which makes them have more control over different aspects of writing, as with someone who has greater understanding of the sound of a word.
Let's also differentiate between seeing things as part of the real world and in one'es mind eye. The former is simply hallucination and is not relevant to the topic at hand as far as I am concerned.
When one sees things in their mind's eye, whether their eyes open or closed, they know the thing they see is conjured, whether intentionally or not.
You can also see things in your mind's eye awake without your will, perhaps disturbing images or such, that comes from your subconsciousness. In that regard, I think it is similar to dreams.
There are degrees of this vision. Similar to having degrees of other conjured senses. I mean, one can also conjure a smell, touch, taste, or sound in their mind, as well as thoughts. Not everyone is capable of all of them, and not to the same degree.
For vision, some people may see things in motion, in 3D, rotate them easily, have the specific details while others may see only 2D images, or blurry vague and floating impressions.
Perhaps this can be trained like a muscle with visualisation exercises. Perhaps other things are necessary.
It can be that people who cannot conjure up images, cannot do so because of a traumatic event of some sort that happened in very early age, and that their brain is trying to protect them from seeing some distrubing images by not showing them any images at all. Or perhaps they are just more capable in other areas of the brain.
I myself can see floating vague impressions, but they do not come to me naturally, I have to focus. And if I have seen a photo of a person's face, the memory of the photo overwhelms the memory of that person's face.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:42:38 2023 No.22561352 >>22558346 my mind's eye was very vivid until one day me and my cousin played a game in which we saw who could slam their head into the wall the hardest. I got a running start, put my head down, and jumped into the wall. I no longer visualize things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:03:25 2023 No.22561418 >>22561342 Nigga I ain't reading that. I visualised a comment that I actually read instead.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:07:45 2023 No.22561434
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I'm so much a 1 on that scale I can't even imagine being a 5 as a real thing. Like you don't see anything at all? When you read you just acknowledge characters and emotions? How can prose even effect you. You just understand it to be good but have nothing beyond that. I refuse to believe it's even possible

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:14:52 2023 No.22561462 >>22558656 Yeah, I don't remember any zoomers reading him in school. I was never his target demo (13 yo girls), though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:23:00 2023 No.22561502 >>22560865 It honestly helps going cross-eyed. Probably the more murky the visual input, the better.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:47:01 2023 No.22561622

>>22559653
This is the dumbest, most pointless post I’ve seen on this board. Simply LOOK at the damned original image: If you can see an apple in your mine, and it looks as it does in reality, you’re a 1—that’s what the original image is about. My best guess as to why this tard chose a tiger and a zebra is that he’s relatively familiar with them. When I try to count the stripes on an imaginary zebra or tiger, it all gets corrupted because I’m not entirely sure of the scale of the animal (“is its body too long?” etc) or its stripes (how wide or thin they should be. If most 1’s tried to do something similar with an animal they’re more familiar with it would be easier, because you wouldn’t be quantifying something which your brain has naturally made ambiguous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:48:02 2023 No.22561630 >>22561622 >mine mine*

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:56:24 2023 No.22561660 >>22561622 cope >>22561630 lol maybe you should've vividly imagined how dumb you'd look before you made those posts LMAO

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:05:53 2023 No.22561702 >>22558346 I remember speaking to two women who claimed they cannot picture anything in their mind, I don't believe that is a thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:06:53 2023 No.22561707 >>22558430 >source: my hairy arse

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:08:41 2023 No.22561712 >>22558389 I get that anyway, I know I'm falling asleep when I start dreaming whilst half awake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:09:43 2023 No.22561715 >>22561418 kek

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:12:25 2023 No.22561727

>>22561622
>with an animal they’re more familiar with it would be easier
Then do that, you fucking retard. A tiger or a zebra are usually used because most people know what they look like, but you can obviously do the same thing with another animal. Or if you're too dumb even for that, then try to visualize a small sheet of graph paper and count how many squares are in there without them flickering or disappearing as you count them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:14:11 2023 No.22561734 >>22559653 This is bullshit. I'm as much of a 1 as it gets and not even I can do this shit. The strips starts disappearing and changing as I try to count them. Good trolling, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:17:13 2023 No.22561741 >>22558346 >y'all

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:19:17 2023 No.22561754 >>22558650 Did you post this on /sci/? >>>/sci/15784717

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:20:01 2023 No.22561757

>>22561660
>typos mean you’re dumb because… uh…
E is just above D on the keyboard, tard.
>>22561727
Most people know what tigers and zebras look like, but do not see them in person, and thus do not truly understand the scale of the animal or its stripes. When I imagine it, I can see the stripes, but they are completely unquantifiable, ambiguous, because I am not actually familiar with zebras or tigers. If you imagine a bug and try to count its legs, it’s way easier, for example. This is literally just larping as a genius for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:29:01 2023 No.22561798 >>22559579 >a book is bad if I remember the text Grim. I guess that's what a lifetime of Harry Potter and YA does to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:30:49 2023 No.22561805 >>22559579 For me its both, I see an image that was striking and then I memorize the line that conjures it up for me

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:33:16 2023 No.22561815 I still don't understand the concept, what am I supposed to think about and see?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:35:03 2023 No.22561827 >>22561727 You have demonstrated that you’re a midwit Imagine yourself sucking my dick

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:35:11 2023 No.22561831 >>22558346 Non-visualizers are simply animals, but they are not as despisable as those cockroaches without inner monologues. Those are really an insult to the human condition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:35:23 2023 No.22561833 >>22559653 >all the retards replying to this post >not just imaging a zebra with three stripes — white black white NGMI.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:37:47 2023 No.22561852

>>22561462
He was pushed on me by teachers because he made bad analysis videos of famous writers and the teachers thought that he would appeal to a teenage boy because "his characters are teens"
That's their idea of what teenagers like. Not even the teenage girls I know read him. The smarter tomboyish ones read fantasy novels aimed at men and and the dumber ones read Twilight and HP

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:37:51 2023 No.22561853 Unironically, why do people always get so offended when they are told they are a 2 instead of a 1? Being a 2 is good enough. It's extremely rare to be a 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:38:49 2023 No.22561860 >>22561853 I think most people are 2 and artists and other creative people are 1

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:45:39 2023 No.22561896

>>22561853
listen up, homo.
you're the one who is misunderstanding the exercise.
it isn't about superimposing a mental image onto the world, or hallucinating a fucking animal you've never seen irl.
you're not some human pinnacle because you daydream a lot and imagine counting stripes on an animal that you dreamed up, and simply saying that you're doing so is unverifiable.
i can say that i'm projecting a dragon onto my wife's left breast right now and he's winking and making lewd gestures, does that make me a 1?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:51:20 2023 No.22561921 >>22559238 The big romantic climax in one of his books/movies is set in the AF house. His couple make out whilst speakers play excerpts from AF's diary, and then all the museum goers start applauding them.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:53:31 2023 No.22561928
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>>22558356
i somewhat agree with this. at the bare minimum he'd be able to draw an apple that would be recognisable as such (round and red with a stem and perhaps the classic leaf). that being said he does make it sound like he's entirely incapable of it which is odd

i find the image I get from visualizing something in my mind's eye is less a fixed picture like a photo and more something that is half there and half not, oscillates as i try to pull it from memory and changes especially when i try to 'look around' or make out details. a little like these gifs of stable diffusion generation steps where things move and morph about. i think it's like that for most people, even people who can draw well from imagination alone will make significant errors in proportion, perspective etc. the only way to circumvent that really is a toolkit of rules and mnemonics and endless studies to drill the way people, shapes and bodies are supposed to look like into your memory, but at that point it's not really intuitive visualization anymore.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:00:58 2023 No.22561964

>>22561860
i'm not a professional artist but i can draw and paint at a level where casual bystanders will basedface if they catch a chance glance of my scribbles, and i disagree. the way you become kim jung gi is by learning how to draw from nature (and later imagination) the classical way and practicing till your joints ache.

good visual art usually boils down to craft and originality, one of them is just a grind, the other is more of a gift you have or you dont. i think the only way your aptitude for visualization would affect you in that regard is if you're genuinely "visually retarded", but i don't think it'd give you much of an edge. yes there's that guy who can draw a cityscape from memory after seeing it for 20 seconds and that is impressive indeed, but it doesnt really make his art interesting or beautiful per se

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:04:22 2023 No.22561979 >>22558356 I can’t always visualise something like that by itself. In the worst case, I add in things I associate with apples. like someone biting into one, or an apple tree, or a grocery store with a basket full of apples.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:04:24 2023 No.22561980 >>22561754 I did not

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:06:21 2023 No.22561991

>>22561928
I see your point.
when I try to imagine my dog it's like I'm seeing snnapshots or brief snippets of it in various states of motion, running or sleeping.
But I don't understand if these are just my memories and whether for this apple test I'm supposed to construct the representation of an apple from scratch or just remember the apple I ate for lunch?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:06:32 2023 No.22561992

>>22561964
I get it, I like to draw to and I don't think visualization skills are always an edge, but they may get better if you practice drawing from the imagination a lot
They also are encouraging if you can imagine what the art will look like before it is completed

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:07:55 2023 No.22561996 >>22561757 Holy brainlet

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:10:02 2023 No.22562003

>>22560738
>On the other hand people who can literally hallucinate an object as if it was infront of their eyes like a real object phenomenal experience probably suffer from schizophrenia or some other assortment of mental disorders
i always wonder how clearly they see those things. ie if they "see" a guy can they focus in on the details of his face, see his iris, count the eyebrows? or is it more like something you visualize, and the brunt of the experience just comes from their minds telling them it's actually, really, real and the "seeing" part is more something blurry, affective, based in immediate and holistically convincing experience rather than an actual 'high res' sensory experience

i need to find a schizo to ask these questions

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:12:16 2023 No.22562015 What happens to the guys with synesthesia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:13:02 2023 No.22562018 >>22561996 kek, he is exactly right

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:46:17 2023 No.22562167 >>22562015 Hunted to extinction

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:04:44 2023 No.22562740 If you want to elevate yourself from this tired discussion, read Schwitzgebel, The Unreliability of Naive Introspection. You'll look at threads like this one and see all these cocksure ignoramuses for what they are: clueless.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:05:45 2023 No.22562746

>>22562003
I'm an actual schizophrenic. It's pattern hallucinations and the ones claiming otherwise can't cope as well as me. My brain will see patterns coagulate into something that's not there but it's not literally conjuring up an image, it's just misinterpreting reality and my brain mishandling the information.

Or my delusions are real and I will kill all of you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:12:53 2023 No.22562771 >>22562740 Yeah that’s usually the vibe I get from these types who talk about this and use the term wordcel unironically. It’s like some gay split from Chan culture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:13:14 2023 No.22562772 >>22558363 No. I have dreams with visual elements. Right as I'm falling asleep I get some flashes of images. But I can't voluntarily visualize anything while awake. Apparently dreaming and visualizing are two separate things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:14:36 2023 No.22562778 >>22562772 They are but doing one implies you could do the other. After all your dreams are literally influenced by your thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:16:48 2023 No.22562783 >>22562778 If you can have visual dreams but have trouble deliberately visualizing something, it's probably something to do with your attention spam and you might have ADHD.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:22:24 2023 No.22562804 What’s more interesting is how many of you can FEEL things in your head.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:23:19 2023 No.22562809

>>22560738
I think there should also be a distinction between mental visualization from pure imagination and mental visualization from memory.

When I first heard of these things, I couldn't picture things that I looked at a few seconds ago. I legtitmately had a very discolored and murky "image" mentally.

This all changed after ages of being a coomer and using the same materials over and over. Now, I can recall images and things I've seen in my minds eye pretty well. When I'm trying to make a piece with a specific character, I can picture those materials I've used well enough to use as a baseline.

But I can't really deviate from them. Shit like trying to picture a scene from just text with no visual reference doesn't work for me at all. I see the words, I understand what thry might be like in a clip art sense but I can't form a scene from words alone. So would I be a 4 or 5 since I can have a mental picture of say, "an apple", or would I be a 1 or a 0 because I can't picture what a character would look like based on the written description?

As for the hallucinations, it's more to do with ignoring what you see than overlaying your mental image over what you see. I used to use a similar trick back in math competitions when I was a kid where I'd blank out or unfocus what I see so that I could focus on a floating mental sheet of paper that I could write equations on. What I see hasn't really changed and if I focus on what I'm really looking at, it will overtake my mental image.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:23:43 2023 No.22562811 >>22562804 It's not that strange. Your brain remembers feel, temperature, and scent so it's not far fetched to recall those sensations. You probably just haven't focused on it much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:33:33 2023 No.22562840 >>22562804 I can remember tastes very accurately too. I always thought that was the weirdest one. If I think about how a strawberry tastes I can all but actually taste it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:34:26 2023 No.22562841 >>22562783 bingo

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:44:38 2023 No.22562876 >>22562804 i can see, feel, hear and taste in my head but finding a smell is pretty hard. i guess i can get a grasp on certain fragrances and spices but aside from that i usually end up just thinking about a visual linked to that scent.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:33:48 2023 No.22563034
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>>22561434
>5s refuse to believe that 1s exist and become actively angry
>1s are baffled to discover that 5s exist and slowly become horrified

this is a delightful illustration of phenomenology

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:35:32 2023 No.22563039 >>22558376 Who the fuck cares about some weeb thinks? They don't read books, just chinese comics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:40:59 2023 No.22563050 >>22563034 How the fuck does this work?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:53:43 2023 No.22563107

>>22561434
I don't know how to describe it. I don't SEE anything, but I can parse textual descriptors into an imagined simulacrum that exists entirely as...I don't know. A feeling? A half-remembered dream? I'm definitely capable of being moved by prose.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:54:36 2023 No.22563110 >>22563050 Colors lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:55:25 2023 No.22563116 >>22558367 I mean they dont have to, theres a word that begins with g and ends with "cide" that should be taken into consideration

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:58:51 2023 No.22563123 >>22563050 ai

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:01:06 2023 No.22563128

>>22563107
You're absorbing the meaning as purely abstract concepts, so abstract that they don't have even a visual form. This does not really mean you are an "NPC" or whatever the meme word is, as you're still capable of abstract reasoning even if it doesn't take a verbal/visual form.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:13:33 2023 No.22563164 >>22563034 will ai ever produce sexy feet?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:23:00 2023 No.22563193
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>>22558346
It's baffling to me that some of y'all smell stuff in your mind. You SMELL it? The way your nose smells? I always thought "olfactorialize" meant thinking of the words/ideas/feelings associated with a thing, not actual smells. I am such a total 5 on this scale I didn't know 1-4 existed.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:29:04 2023 No.22563218

The way I see it, there are two things that need to be clarified. First of all, when we say "imagination" that's something different from "visualization" they don't mean the same thing in this context. Second, we all have different ways of "imagining" things. A lot of us use visualization to imagine things, while others might use taste, smell, or abstractions/concepts or whatever you call it. On one end, (sees a clear apple, 1) they use visualization to imagine it. While on the other end (doesn't see anything, 5) might use other ways to imagine it, like touch, taste and/or smell. The people that can't exactly visualize an apple can still imagine it, it's just that they don't actually "see" it in the same way as someone who can visualize it does. If we take the people that uses abstractions/concepts, they can still imagine an apple because they know what it is already (somewhat simplified), although most of these people use some sort of combination of taste, touch, smell and knowing what it looks like. So, the way this "illustration" in OP' pic is potrayed it makes it seem like some people don't have an imagination at all which I don't think is true. Now, this thing usually gets paired with inner voice/monologue dilemma but that's another thing.
In short, we all can imagine but in different ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:31:34 2023 No.22563223 >>22558582 i can choose between the two i like reading fantasy/scifi/history while visualizing everything i can also just read the text as pure text and its much quicker but less immersive/impactful

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:22:31 2023 No.22563331 >>22558346 Why are leftists such unspiritual people?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:22:35 2023 No.22563759 File: 664 KB, 680x680, canvas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22563223 you're just describing effort

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:42:54 2023 No.22563829 >>22558486 >mostly related to him being a cocksucker. Suddenly based

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:16:46 2023 No.22563940 >>22560281 I understand when you guys do it but the man in picrelated is literally a British prig. I'm a bong and I would cringe so hard if I heard someone say that here irl.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:13:39 2023 No.22564076 >>22559653 This post is obviously a troll. I'm a 1 but doing this is simply not possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:14:51 2023 No.22564082 >>22560281 As if a southern has ever said something intelligent

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:30:16 2023 No.22564130

>>22558582
How do you guys compromise between having a steady, natural flow of visualization while having a decent reading speed?
I read slow, unfathomably slow like 15 pages an hour, not even on hard prose, just your standard Dosto or Henry James, but in my defense I try to visualize literally everything and spend too much time thinking about different camera angles and characters' outfits and facial expressions. Do you guys do this unconsciously? I want to be able to read like 60-80 pages an hour as some of you claim

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:34:45 2023 No.22564148 >>22559653 7 stripes

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:52:23 2023 No.22564435 >>22558389 Bro just do YOGA NIDRA, it's much safer and easy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:03:00 2023 No.22564456 >>22558346 >now visualize how you would feel if you hadn't had breakfast yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3qct2Kx2jE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:04:52 2023 No.22564461 >>22558356 Oh I thought that people were really "seeing" something. But that doesn't make sense since people dont draw the things they image correctly at all, nowhere near as if they have the object in front of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:05:56 2023 No.22564465 >>22558582 >it's all subvocalizing homunculus chatter Hyles gonna hyle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:11:09 2023 No.22564475 >>22558456 >I can't imagine someone NOT being able to see things in their mind. Sounds to me like you're a 5 desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:14:33 2023 No.22564485 >>22564082 Faulkner refutes you, but that poster is a faggot.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:15:12 2023 No.22564487

>>22561502
Going cross eyed is only good for precognition. When it works you’ll experience imagery on par with what you normally see—not to mention sounds and smells. It feels like you go into a trance and experience an intense day dream. From my fathers maternal line everyone can do this. Interpreting dreams are for fags who can’t peer ahead. Reading Jung isn’t going to help you do this. Fuck the apple, fuck the inner monologue. If your ability to perceive the future is limited to mere gut feeling you’re no better than the fags who can’t simply visualize an apple or hear their own voice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:17:06 2023 No.22564492 >>22558346 I have the clarity of 1 and can also deconstruct/rebuild the object in my head. I can visualize a worm tunneling a spiral inside the apple.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:25:46 2023 No.22564510 >>22562804 Mentation is more of a higher order bowel movement for these types.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:27:16 2023 No.22564512 >>22564130 >compromise between having a steady, natural flow of visualization while having a decent reading speed? It's not separate: you're there, in it. If you forget about it, then it's no issue.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:27:48 2023 No.22564513

Isn't the best way to measure this by drawing an apple or a face from memory? I think people with aphantasia only make up 4 to 2% od the population, it's exceedingly rare, same with hyperphantasia.
The written test is a sham, if you can visualize, you can draw perfectly from memory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:30:24 2023 No.22564518 >>22564513 That makes no sense. Drawing is a separate skill

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:40:54 2023 No.22564538

>>22564518
But if you can visualize it perfectly, it like having a specimen right there. So even if the lines are wonky, all the crevices and crags of a face or whatever will be present,m regardless of quality. Meanwhile, someone who couldn't produce a mental image of something would not be able to draw from memory, which is much rarer than the amount of people who say they cannot visualize. Hence people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:12:36 2023 No.22564717 >>22564456 based quentin poster

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:15:08 2023 No.22564722 File: 23 KB, 169x179, 1723.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22558346 >Guy who wrote Fault in Our Stars has literally nothing going on in his head

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:34:20 2023 No.22564754 >>22558361 HOWDY Y'ALL

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:38:41 2023 No.22564762 >>22558388 KEKW

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:45:13 2023 No.22564779 >>22558438 this relies on the "phantasia pleb" not being able to think in abstract concepts hilarius cope

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:20:41 2023 No.22565197

>>22562840
How would you cook properly if you couldn't recall and feel the tastes, aromas and textures of food, blend them together in your mind, see what would go well together and what wouldn't? Just guessing and trial and error? Is having a powerful imagination the real reason why I'm a fatass?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:13:04 2023 No.22565358 >>22564487 keep dreaming faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:14:53 2023 No.22565363 Does anyone else visualize much better with their eyes open?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:15:28 2023 No.22565366 >>22565363 yeah but only when your mom's anus is right there in front of me

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:21:41 2023 No.22565380

>>22559653
Not only I can count them, I can feel the body of the zebra, its heat from the skin, its smell.
I can feel myself riding the zebra in the savannah with some random classical music in the background.
This and more is possible to the human mind, you accept limitation and thus find this impossible. Training of the mind is no different than that of the body.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:29:28 2023 No.22565401 >>22565380 Based.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:23:31 2023 No.22565985
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>>22558582
when i read, not only do i imagine visuals, i also imagine sound effects and a score.
sometimes i get so immersed i start quietly voice-acting the lines and emoting as the characters with my face.
>>22558356
that's what i've always thought. it's arguing about the semantics. Yes I can imagine things, rotate them, modify them, combine multiple things into one, that's how I'm able to come up with things from imagination that i would then draw. But I don't literally LITERALLY see them, with my eyeballs. it's a mind's eye, it's a different thing.

Also, I've never heard of anyone imagining things in greyscale, or as an outline. If the thing I'm imagining is very complex, I may lose track of fine details, and it will be a morphing, ever-changing, just like what >>22561928 says (and the stable diffusion gif anon provided is also very apt). So I think that part is just some made up bs by the author of the original scale image.

However, this John Green guy makes me doubt this theory right now... is he literally just thinking about text? is he the autism?

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