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[Anonymous No.22511675]

>destroys philosophy and religion in your path

[Anonymous No.22511684]

>>22511675
>French beaten back
>Empire destroyed
>Died in a windswept bin covered in rat shit
I'll keep my faith and community thanks.

[Anonymous No.22511698]

>>22511684
>greatest conqueror to ever live
>you, a christcuck
I think I’ll go with nappy on this one, although I don’t think he really said that, seems like a fabrication

[Anonymous No.22511703]

Children should not be taught about Napoleon at too early an age nor should he be spoken of fondly by adults in the presence of children. Lest the consequences, as observable, may be catastrophic for the child (or childlike mind) afflicted.

[Anonymous No.22511717]

>>22511698
His own life doesn‘t really follow it for a number of reasons: revolutionary ideals, proletarian sympathies, ingroup chauvinism, some religious inclination, romantic devotions. If he did say it, I suspect this is more along the lines of what Andrew Roberts described as his wry sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.22511719]

Money and power are important when you're an invader, sure. But I'm just a guy. I find meaning beyond money and power. I'm not sure why people read all these leaders and think the exact same applies to them.
>>22510584
>>22510663

[Anonymous No.22511766]

>>22511703
Why?

[Anonymous No.22511768]

I doubt he said this. It just doesn’t read like even a translation of something Napoleon would actually say.

[Anonymous No.22511794]

>>22511698
>greatest conqueror
Pretty sure that would be Alexander. If you lost while still alive, you're not a great conqueror. Otherwise one should name Hitler, if any temporarily held territory counts.

[Anonymous No.22511795]

>>22511675
yet he had power over Austria, Russia and Prussia and still lost, defeates at Leipzig by troops from all three countries.

Caesar had no such problems with Gauls because he butchered them. Napoleon even said he regretted not burning Berlin to the ground.

so it was his philosophical view that hindered his progress. He should've been as ruthless as Ghenghis Khan if he had wanted ultimate power.

[Anonymous No.22511798]

>>22511698
>>22511684
Napoleon received the last rites and died a good Catholic

[Anonymous No.22511803]

source?

[Anonymous No.22511819]

>>22511794
>If you lost while still alive, you're not a great conqueror.
If you won using your daddy's army you're not impressive. Napoleon was an migrant boy who raised to power, not a rich prince who inherited a kingdom. That's what makes what he achieved impressive.

[Anonymous No.22511829]

>>22511794
Julius and Augustus Caesar established a transcontinental empire and were arguably the most successful men who ever lived. Alexander was remarkable but he doesn’t have the resume of versatility and success of the Caesars.

[Anonymous No.22511831]

>>22511819
> a migrant boy
He was a provincial aristocrat born into a martial-aristocracy and spent his entire early life studying how to conquer at an elite military academy in what was at the time effectively the most impressive nation on the planet. He was hardly a poor little migrant boy. It’s like the son of a Senator from California going to Deerfield and then West Point…

[Anonymous No.22511846]

>>22511829
The Hellenistic World not continuing to be one united empire is not the same as his legacy being short lived. His opponent (the Persian Empire) was also much more fearesome than Caesars opponents. Augustus wasn't much of a conqueror of anything but merely a politician who happened to oversee great conquests.

[Anonymous No.22511876]

>>22511831
He was the poorest student at the academy and couldn't even afford to visit his home during holidays. Constantly mocked and bullied. French was his third language. So in money and culture he was disadvantaged compared to his peers. Why didn't others of his time achieved what he did? He had something beyond what most people have, immeasurable ambition. And achieved it all without being absolute top of the hierarchy, without inheriting a kingdom and an army. Napoleon was a taker.

[Anonymous No.22511892]

>>22511846
Augustus conquered what was pretty much the entire known world and became the wealthiest man who ever lived in real terms. That the Persian Empire was fearsome is basically irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.22511899]

>>22511876
Okay, so the poor Hispanic son of a Hispanic Senator from California going to Deerfield and West Point then… I’m failing to see your point…

Yeah, he wasn’t the upper echelon of French society. He was far from a poor immigrant. Moreover, he was an aristocrat at a time where it wasn’t even that rare for aristocrats from different countries to commingle without speaking each others’ languages. That was relatively common.

[Anonymous No.22511910]

>>22511846
Also, this is a giant marginalization of Augustus’ victory over the Senate and the Triumvirate. He was not merely a politician in the sense we might consider someone today who oversees a military victory “merely a politician”. Augustus was present on the battlefield leading his armies for decades, even if he did delegate much of the strategy and actual fighting, as all military leaders do.

[Anonymous No.22511993]

>>22511846
> His opponent (the Persian Empire) was also much more fearesome than Caesars opponents.
Xenophon called Persians an army of slaves, while Caesars Gauls and Germans were tall muscly and accustomed to war. Why would you consider the Persians more fearsome? Besides their cavalry of course

[Anonymous No.22512010]

Alexander > Caesar > Napoleon > Augustus >>>>> Hitler

[Anonymous No.22512020]

>>22511698
>>22511819
>>22511876
Nappy lost. Its Napoleover.

[Anonymous No.22512027]

>>22511675
It's basically true. But what you do with that power, that money, etc. is what really matters.

[Anonymous No.22512052]

>>22511899
I never said he was a poor immigrant. I said he was the poorest at the academy. But coincidentally, Roberts does mention how he arrived to France as a 'penniless political refugee' and gained power only 6 years later. He was mocked for his foreign accent so however cosmopolitan the times were, if you didn't speak perfect French you were seen as lesser. You're trying to make it seem like it's business usual to do what he did. If you compare Napoleon to Alexander, Napoleon was way more disadvantaged.

[Anonymous No.22512102]

>>22512010
subutai, genghis and timur mog the shit out of them, except Napoleon.

[Anonymous No.22512111]

>>22512102
Conquering central Asia is not that much of a feat, it was mostly a wasteland without organized states and armies.

[Anonymous No.22512127]

>>22512111
>Conquering central Asia is not that much of a feat
it is retard. No cedentary civilization managed to do that before gunpowder.
Also the people I mentioned conquered more then central asia.
Genghis and Subutai conquered china and middle east and timur conquered cnetral asia, entire iran, golden horde, sucked dehli and put ottoman sultan in a cuck cage.
Alexander and ceasar don't even reach their accomplishments you delusional fag.
All this people conquered what alexander did and much more.

[Anonymous No.22512267]

>>22511675
What chances does a normal guy have if even Napoleon got cucked? Is the only winning move not to play?

[Anonymous No.22512333]

>>22512267
>spend all your time trying to conquer Poland or some shit
>marry a Fr*nch whore
>surprised when you get cucked

[Anonymous No.22512374]

>>22512267
After getting cucked he made his wife cuckqueen. That is only solution

[Anonymous No.22512387]

>>22512127
Conquered shit and lost it 50 years later.
Yellowskins are worthless subhumans with no morality who rape, abuse, burn down, destroy everything that falls into their hands when they are in power, no wonder they are so despised and considered as racially inferior by other groups.

[Anonymous No.22512389]

>>22511698
The greatest conqueror to ever live is Christ. He conquered the hearts of billions across the globe without himself ever firing a single bullet, or ordering another person to.

[Anonymous No.22512396]

>>22512389
True

[Anonymous No.22512400]

>>22512387
unlike alexander whose empire lasted 0 years right faggot.
Those yellowskins had empires that lasted longer then century and timur had his own brnaches that went on to conquer entire subcontinent and ruled it for cneturies.

[Anonymous No.22512403]

>>22512389
t. Napoleon

[Anonymous No.22512408]

>>22512400
Ahh yes, the kingdom of the Saka, a literal Germanic tribe.

[Anonymous No.22512459]

>>22512408
wtf are you talking about retard. Mughal empire was not germanic.

[Anonymous No.22512999]

>>22512389
Based

[Anonymous No.22513125]

>>22512389
My man.

[Anonymous No.22513196]

>>22512389
Peak slave morality.

[Anonymous No.22513213]

>>22511675
That's two things.

[Anonymous No.22513219]

>>22511675
Napoleon I, Emperor of Europe, is my hero, so I will bump your thread.

[Anonymous No.22513255]

>>22512389
>ordering another person to.
But he did tell his guys to tell others about him though.

[Anonymous No.22513268]

>>22511794
Alexander is overrated https://coffeeordie.com/greatest-generals-statistics

[Anonymous No.22513281]

>>22513268
>read this because I can't explain it
don't care nigger kys

[Anonymous No.22513437]

>>22513219
>>22511675
he pioneered the sigma grindset. Andy T eat your heart out.

[Anonymous No.22513443]

>>22513219
>>22511675
>No source
Fake facebook quote

[Anonymous No.22513464]

>>22512389
He died like a bitch. Its his followers that killed and tortured weaker people to become worthless golems that would STFU and pay taxes. The only hearts he conquers are the pedophiles he leave unpunished and brown third worlders.

[Anonymous No.22513474]

>He died like a bitch. Its his followers that killed and tortured weaker people to become worthless golems that would STFU and pay taxes. The only hearts he conquers are the pedophiles he leave unpunished and brown third worlders.

[Anonymous No.22513598]

>>22512389
True

[Anonymous No.22513609]

>>22511675
>>22511684
>>22511703
Napoleon made one of the greatest monologues about the power and worth of Christians and Christianity in the end of his life.

[Anonymous No.22513677]

>>22512010
>>22512102
Bismarck and Motlke will give them a run for their money
>Asia
Nobunaga takes the cake

[Anonymous No.22513684]

>>22511675
That's a philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22513685]

>>22513268
Number of victories can only say so much. Do a quick Google search on the "greatest scientist ever" and you'll probably get results or popularity polls that get you names like "Isaac Newton" or "Albert Einstein" . But are these statistics an accurate indication of what you are looking for?

[Anonymous No.22513704]

>>22513609
Post it

[Anonymous No.22513717]

>>22511698
>greatest conqueror to ever live
a lot of good that got him

[Anonymous No.22513735]

>>22511698

what in the fuck is with this website and weird low status males living vicariously through militairy leaders who waged wars and engaged in power grabs that blew up in their face and destroyed their people?

[Anonymous No.22513741]

>>22511698
He is the cause of the decline of the western world. He might be the most evil man in history

[Anonymous No.22513746]

>>22511675
I like power but find money disgusting. The mercantile element instinctively produces a revulsion in my Aryan spirit.

[Anonymous No.22513747]

>>22511675
>>22511698

He was a Catholic except for a few years and those years he was still a theist

[Anonymous No.22513765]

>>22512389
Fedoras BTFO. Eternally.

[Anonymous No.22513844]

>>22513746
lol

[Anonymous No.22514007]

>>22512389
>He conquered the hearts of billions

meh. so did jenna, and at least she doesn't spread abrahamic hogwash

[Anonymous No.22514589]

>>22513196
peak tranny mentality

[Anonymous No.22514592]

>>22513464
ow so much edge of little atheistcuck. Did your nigger father molest you kek

[Anonymous No.22514603]

>>22513677
>Bismarck and Motlke will give them a run for their money
they are great state builders, we are talking about conquerors here.
>Nobunaga takes the cake
if you are delusional low IQ weeb.
Only thing he did was semi conquer one shitty island on the edge of the world which he failed to consolidate and got killed by his own men.

[Anonymous No.22514917]

>>22514603
Well other anon already compared Napoleon to Augustus so may as well take the bait

[Anonymous No.22514930]

>>22514603
>>22514917
Also,
>not great conquerors
You need to be a privilege position to be even be able to be a "Great conqueror" in other words live somewhere that makes the possibility even feasible that even the most midwit general could pull it off. Moltke and Bismarck are conquerors in the sense that they were able to put their talent to use in acquiring territory. Which they did. Also they weren't 'mere state builders', they created an empire.
>Nobunaga
>got killed by his own men.
So did Little Caesar?

[Anonymous No.22515050]

>>22511675
>>22511698
Ah, so you don't know what you're talking about.

>>22512389
Based and true.

[Anonymous No.22515063]

>>22514930
>>22514917
ceasar controled entire mediterian retard unlike literal who nobunaga. Nice disingenuous comparision.
other thinks you vomited are irrelevant to my argument.

[Anonymous No.22515118]

>>22512374
then he got cucked again by a general he mogged in battle

[Anonymous No.22515142]

>>22511684
portugal
protestant england unites with catholic inquisition, the facade of history drops

[Anonymous No.22515149]

>>22514589
The christoids are projecting that they would be trannies if not for their dead rabbi again

[Anonymous No.22515164]

>>22512389
True. Christ literally conquered death itself.

[Anonymous No.22515176]

>>22512052
No, I’m not making it sound like business as usual. I’m merely pointing out that Napoleon was part of the military-political class for pretty much his entire life. That’s not remotely the same as being like a poor economic refugee working for a shoe maker or something.

[Anonymous No.22515180]

Is a Hitler or a Napoleon or a Caesar even possible today? The most insidious thing about neoliberalism seems to be the way it makes even the military a fucking a joke.

[Anonymous No.22515291]

>>22511675
what a dumb fucking gaul lol imagine idolizing this guy

[Anonymous No.22515340]

>>22515063
You made two arguments so I responded with two. Go back to playing total war you fucking sperg, or kill yourself. Whichever way works

[Anonymous No.22515401]

>>22511675
>Spends life pursuing money and power
>Achieves more than almost anyone else in history
>Dies alone and in exile
His life really answers itself, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.22515689]

>>22515401
I think a tragic death is the best we could hope for. Nothing bothers me more than the thought that my death (and life) could be boring.

[Anonymous No.22516208]

>>22515689
We're on /lit/, so I'm going to post this with total impunity, but as long as you have access to a library or the internet, how could you ever be bored? Infinite ideas and concepts are at your finger tips. Sure if you were like a 15th century illiterate fisherman, life was probably pretty boring, but in the modern day boredom is only ever self inflicted.

[Anonymous No.22516239]

>>22516208
Turns out boredom/laziness is intro to depression and simply blaming someone for being lazy won't make them pick up a book.

[Anonymous No.22516285]

>>22511675
>universal suffrage
>the jews go on to rape your country

[Anonymous No.22516299]

>>22512010
What Hitler did was actually far more impressive
>literal nobody
>makes Germany into a great power from being a third rate, commie raped nation
>smokes the poles in a month
>smokes the French in a week
>wrecks the British, but too benevolent

[Anonymous No.22516492]

>>22516239
Depression isn't a death sentence. If you identify depression-like symptoms, make changes. Unironically touch grass, get out in the sun, exercise. If you won't or can't do that, at least try medication, anything other than meekly accepting lethargy. In this particular time of history, there are resources of every kind available, sitting at home moping about how bored and unmotivated you are is a choice and thus is self inflicted.

[Anonymous No.22516523]

>>22515180
It is more possible than ever. This silly idea that the age of great men is over will be proven false very, very soon

[Anonymous No.22516531]

>>22515180
No, power in democracy is spread out among lobbyists so there can never be an upfront dictator. It’s various no names hiding in the shadows.

[Anonymous No.22516547]

>>22515340
your arguments are worthless subhuman cuck.
Your low IQ retarded posts failed to make a point.
Slit your throat before I do it myself cuck-spawn.

[Anonymous No.22516562]

>>22515149
>no u
atheistroons have nothing to project because they embrace their tranny nature.

[Anonymous No.22516628]

>>22516547
my replies take no effort but i love controlling others

because you are condemned to be a submissive bitch who bumps my thread for eternity

You will continuously make empty posts with no arguments needlessly will keep bumping this thread. You may be suffering from severely low iq + attention span. If i may may recommend an idea, i suggest you livestream yourself slitting your wrists because of how much I have brutally insulted you on 4chan, faggot

[Anonymous No.22516644]

I can never get a good read on if Napoleon is a friend or enemy of the Church. He was simultaneously the one to "end" the anti-Catholic reign of terror in France but also kind of the outgrowth/succession of the revolution. He imprisoned the pope but reconciled at the end of his life and got Britain of all places to allow him visits for Catholic sacraments. Nowadays his non-temporally-powerful descendants larp as the great banner-bearers of French Catholic tradition.

Such an odd figure, but I think that's part of what makes him so enduring.

[Anonymous No.22516650]

>>22512389
Fedoras absolutely obliterated by this post

[Anonymous No.22516895]

>>22512389
Based and christ pilled.

[Anonymous No.22516917]

>>22512389
This is a total lie. The spread of Christianity was largely due to Roman imperialism,and the expansion of colonization post Europe.

[Anonymous No.22516948]

>>22515176
So you created a strawman and then attacked it. Very clever (not!).

[Anonymous No.22517568]

>guy who has the world figured out was very successful
Sasuga.

[Anonymous No.22517869]

>>22516628
is that why you are crying right now?
I suggest you dilate before you post cucky.

[Anonymous No.22518087]

>>22512389

[Anonymous No.22518465]

>>22515689
>>22515401
The biggest universal flaw with Great Men is they don't know when to cash out and actually enjoy what is around them

[Anonymous No.22518503]

>>22511675
>money, money, money
sounds pretty jewish not gonna lie

[Anonymous No.22518639]

>>22512389
Pretty sure Constantine and the might of the Roman Empire had something to do with the spread of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.22518642]

>>22512389
By this logic, Heather Harmon is superior, because she won the hearts of billions of men, not through her death or through violence, but through acts of love.

[Anonymous No.22518683]

>>22511675
He forgot to mention pussy. Acquire money and more money, power and more power, pussy and more pussy.

[Anonymous No.22519099]

>>22518642
>Heather Harmon
Who? I'm guessing it's a porn star, given the 'acts of love'.
I can only find one porn-star named Heather Harmon, who has 250M views on Pornhub. Given the fact that many of the people watching will likely have re-watched her videos several times, it's safe to say that the number of people who've watched her videos is <100,000,000, most of which will have clicked away in a porn induced frenzy to find a better video.
Also, she didn't "[win] the hearts of billions of men". She was momentarily the object of their sexual desires. Nobody, bar a few really lonely men, would say they love her, or that she won their hearts.

[Anonymous No.22519115]

>>22511675
>There is only one thing in this world
>money and power
>money
>and
>power
Seems like there's more than one thing.

[Anonymous No.22519594]

>>22519099
>Pornhub views is the only metric that exists
kek, you were born after the year 2000, weren't you? Also, hundreds of millions in a just a few years, it took old Jezzy thousands of years to reach that level of notoriety.

[Anonymous No.22519599]

>>22519594
As I said, nobody beside a few really lonely men would say they love her.
She is merely an object of their sexual desires.

[Anonymous No.22519619]

>>22519599
She definitely conquered the hearts of hundreds of millions, probably billions. You should have picked better wording in your first post. Also, how old are you? Does your mom know you post on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.22519638]

>>22511684
lmao this, faggot had all his money and power taken from him and died like a bitch, hope he's burning in hell.