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Why is contemporary Sci fi so dull and trepid compared to the past

>> No.22464519

>>22464513
Ironically less drug use. Also less pretentious faggots like Ellison, Delaney and Disch trying to prove how literary they could be.

>> No.22464793

The average person is dumber so the average book is made dumber so they can understand it. I have a cousin in his 30s who unironically reads Christopher Paolini.

>> No.22465055

>>22464513
because we live in a time of technological stagnation. when there is no new exciting technology, there is no new sci-fi

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It's easily cliched to deathed. The grand imperializing visions of the nuclear atomic-punk age dialectically produced the quickly exhausted cyperpunk subaltern that in turn birthed ultra-nihilistic black mirror information-age post-cyberpunk which it turns out is just 1990s gnosticism and actual reality from about 2006 on. There's nothing left to explore for real really. Baudriliard was right

>> No.22465702

>>22464513
Because women and fags söybois dominate the genre

>> No.22465722

>>22464513
We went to space and saw there was nothing there and even worse that we wouldn't be coming back no matter how hard we try. There's not enough ambiguity in reality for the kind of optimism fantasy requires, there is only lived tedium now.

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>>22464513
This era has produced nothing interesting to talk about that hasn't already been said besides 'dey always on dey phonez'. Science has not advanced beyond transistors getting smaller.

>> No.22465750

Dick used sci fi as a vehicle for his themes. Most sci fi is written for the sake of the futuristic plot.

>> No.22465757

>>22464513
It's a shame he died. I couldn't stand the majority of his camp sci fi, but his post70s stuff like Scanner Darkly, Valis, Timothy Archer, etc were great. I would have loved more.
>>22464519
Delaney has really good settings, like a dying post-industrial bleak americana. But my god is he a shit eating faggot. Literally and nothing fucking happens in his books. Frustrating.

>> No.22465778

>>22465757
That's why Delaney's best fiction is his short fiction.

>> No.22465825

>>22464513
Sci-fi is where all the anti-human, self hating writers go to write their disgusting genocide fantasies instead of putting the pen down and going outside.

There’s (probably) good sci-fi, but just look at stuff like James Cameron’s Avatar. The “future” is a medium for anti-human, anti-west, anti-white ideas

>> No.22465834

>>22465825
>disgusting genocide fantasies
I wouldn't say that about classic sci-fi. It was wary of science and the future and speculative about the downfalls. It loved humanity and wanted to warn people of possible pitfalls.

>> No.22465840

>>22465834
I agree, I should state I’m referring to today’s sci-fi. I watch a fair amount of Quinn’s Ideas book summaries and one recent summary stood out hate filled anti-human masturbatory aide content.

In which case it’s not sci-fi, it’s science wish fulfillment because it’s happening all around us lol

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Do androids dream of electric sheep is a really good one, but I read Valis and PKD just writes his drug induced psychosis down, absolute garbage and just sad to watch his soul collapse like that. Still have Ubik sitting on the shelf, but not that intrigued after Valis, his earlier works could be better tho. The future is doomed, especially if you learn from the past. I have read a few contemporary Sci Fi (more cyberpunk) and they were pretty decent, funny works. I think the 80s action movies and music left a too great of an influence on millennials who produce the current fiction.

>> No.22466048

>>22464513
It's hard to write about people willingly mutilating themselves due to big industrial corporations promoting transhumanism nowadays without trannies getting angry.

>> No.22466066

>>22465863
>but I read Valis and PKD just writes his drug induced psychosis down, absolute garbage and just sad to watch his soul collapse like that.
It was actually a confession. A lot of Valis was a reflection on the sins he committed to his wife and son, as well as many young women he exploited. It was a very open book. The original draft is a lot more staid: Radio free albemuth, which was released posthumously.

>> No.22466071

>>22465863
His prose is stilted but the ideas are interesting. Valis is a train wreck and in the decline phase of his career/sanit, but Ubik is great if you enjoyed androids.

>> No.22466170

>>22465863
Filtered!

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>>22464513
Sci-fi only works when the author believes in it. These days it's become so hard to believe anything that modern sci-fi authors forget: people originally wrote about space captains meeting alien races because *they thought it could actually happen*. They thought we'd pass through boring, gay, democratic modernity to a new age of exploration. That's why the only good sci-fi authors left are crazies who don't know they're writing sci-fi: https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

>> No.22467025

Here's some first-rate science fiction from 2003: https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.pdf

>> No.22467030

More good recent sci-fi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk

>> No.22467038

>>22467021
>*autistic screeching*
Who?

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>>22467038
>who
Not trying to derail another thread, so I promise this is my last post. But here's a bit of background from the founder of OpenAI

>> No.22467061

>>22467021
The AI bad/skynet thing has been around forever, and still as likely as everyone having flying cars. Sounds like more of a publicity stunt Spudkowsky's up to.

>> No.22467071

>>22464513
Read Mieville

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Everything is dull compared to the work of our Lord and Savior PKD. It's not really fair to compare anyone else's work to his.

>> No.22468611

>>22464513
Maybe because the entire genre doesn't even make sense anymore. What is scifi? Everything that used to define it is already slowly becoming reality.

>> No.22468617

>>22464513
Hauntology and the slow canceling of the future

>> No.22468748

>>22465055
it's more often the other way around.

Actually, sci-fi could easily be used to create demand for some new product, thinking of it.

>>22464513
BE COS
Maybe the people writing sci-fi don't know what motivated the earlier writers; whatever it was it was not to become sci-fi writers as the genre did not exist.

sort like how no feminist after lady damaris masham knows a thing about feminism.

>> No.22468758

>>22467050
Another reason to hate that fat autistic faggot.