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I was trying to find information about censored books, but all that comes up when you try to do so is stories about Republicans "banning books" (meaning they want to ban erotica from children's school libraries specifically; not anything from public book stores for adults).

The reason I started searching for this is because I was curious about the 4th best selling book of all time — "Ten Little Niggers". The title is of course censored to "And Then There Were None" but I am struggling to find information about whether or not the actual contents of the book are censored as well, but it's extremely difficult to find; both because of articles about just the original title of the book, but also because finding information about censorship in books is seemingly entirely littered with videos and articles about Republicans "banning books".

Any advice on just finding any information about books with its contents censored in America would be appreciated — specifically works written in English, like Agatha Christie's, since translations make this even more complicated.

>> No.22448989

>>22448981
Nowadays, book are censored covertly by artificially inflating their prices. You can see this on Amazon

>> No.22449016

Try learning some google dorking.
For example, to help weed out a lot of the modern internet shit, you can use the 'daterange' keyword followed by the number of days since Jan 1, 4713 BC for the dates that you want to search between.
Here's one that will search between 2000-2015: daterange:2451954-2457433

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>>22448981

>> No.22449112

>>22449016
How will that help me when I can only buy books that are being sold currently? I could buy an original copy of “Ten Little Niggers” for $10,000 but I would rather buy a copy of “And Then There Were None” for $10 on Amazon, but I can’t figure out if the content of the book is censored as well.

>> No.22449145

>>22449112
It could possibly help you find older PDF versions of the book.
Also, your post makes it seem that you're looking for information about whether the book is censored, not an actual copy of the book. Adjusting the dates helps remove a lot of the sensationalized articles of the late 2010s.

>> No.22449259

>>22449145
>Also, your post makes it seem that you're looking for information about whether the book is censored, not an actual copy of the book.
Why would I be looking for information about whether the book is censored if not to read an uncensored copy of the book? I want uncensored, physical copies of books so that they cannot be taken away from me. I don't want a PDF.

>> No.22449289

>>22448981
Library Genesis.

>>22449259
>I want to CONSOOOOOM esoteric monarchist treatises on why COPTIC CHRISTIANITY could have saved 18TH CENTURY ROMANIA but zog is getting in the way
People used to kill each other for the right to look at a book. Get the .pdf and copy it down by hand if it's so important.

>> No.22449296

>>22448981
The book was called Ten Little Niggers because a children's rhyme called Ten Little Niggers was featured prominently in the story. The title was not censored. Agatha Christie made the choice to change the title. I am pretty sure it was changed within like two to three years of publication. The only """"censorship""" of the text I am aware of is the in the rhyme the line "ten little niggers" is changed to "ten little indians".

In summary, you're a stupid fucking chud who can't research the book you claim you wanted to research.

>> No.22449298

>>22448981
>I was trying to find information about censored books,
On YouTube? You're pretty retarded OP.

>> No.22449323

>>22449296
If Agatha Christie didn't want it to be called "Ten Little Niggers" then she wouldn't have titled it that. It was not her choice, and it was changed quickly so that US publishers would sell it — changed by them. And that is not the only censorship, as I have read since posting this that there have been references to Asians and Jews censored as well, which obviously have nothing to do with the title. You clearly just believe the world is exactly the way the leftist cult is telling you it is.

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>>22449296
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>>22449298
What do you suggest?

>> No.22449412

>>22449330
When I say every time I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME brother. HH

>> No.22449454

>>22449330
>Article isn't about Ten Little Niggers
Quite a point you're making there chud. Tell me more about how Ten Little Niggers was completely rewritten and ghost censored.

>> No.22449471

>>22449454
It’s about the author of Ten Little Niggers, and if I could tell you more about censorship of that particular book, I wouldn’t have to had posted this thread and respond to imbeciles like yourself. Do you really think a book with a censored title has a 0% chance of having censored contents, when we’ve also established that the contents of other books by the same author have been censored?

>> No.22449487

>>22449112
Well fucking shit. I could have bought ten little niggers last month for $13 on amazon but now it does not even exist even on abebooks

>> No.22449632

>>22449471
>he doesn't know that from 1939 up until 1985 the book was published in Britain as Ten Little Niggers
Doesn't sound like censorship to me chuddie

>> No.22449689

>>22449632
>It's only been censored for 40 years, therefore it's not censorship

>> No.22449761

>>22448981
I'm pretty sure the contents of the book are censored because if I remember correctly, the nursery rhyme is mentioned and there's a statue of niggers. Those things would have had to be replaced with non nigger related things to make sense.

>> No.22449769

>>22449296
>I am pretty sure it was changed within like two to three years of publication

I have a copy from the 70's with the nigger word still intact. It's not in English, but still.

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>>22449296
The title was only changed in America until recently. You are the one who did no research, sir.

>> No.22449835

>>22449794
>In the United States it was published under the title And Then There Were None...
You couldn't even be bothered to read your own screenshot

>> No.22449840

>>22449794
>>22449835
Sorry, I read your post wrong. I thought you said it wasn't changed in America until recently. My b.

>> No.22449843

>>22449769
Does nigger even have a real translation in other languages?

>> No.22449849

>>22449835
That's exactly what the post is saying, illiterate troglodyte. The title was changed to and then there were none for American audiences. The author is British.

>> No.22449860

>>22449849
You're right, I apologize >>22449840

>> No.22449867

>>22449843
In most languages the translation is closer to negro than nigger. It's still enough to make black immigrants who moved in after the 2000s cry about racism, though. I blame American culture spreading everywhere.

>> No.22449930

>>22449794
>screenshot upholds everything he said except for the timeline of the title change
Damn, dude. You really fact checked him there. You write for Snopes?

>> No.22449955

>>22449930
>>22449296
>The title was not censored. Agatha Christie made the choice to change the title. I am pretty sure it was changed within like two to three years of publication.

>>22449794
>UK editions continued to use the original title until the current definitive title appeared with a reprint of the 1963 Fontana Paperback in 1985,
This screenshot proves Christie did not censor herself, and American publishers censored the title.

>> No.22449973

>>22449955
>screenshot upholds everything he said except for the timeline on the title change
Damn, dude. You reallt fact checked him there! You write for Snopes?

>> No.22449987

>>22449973
Not only the timeline, but the reason behind the title change — it was certainly not the author's intent. This proves Christie's work is being censored, which is obvious to everyone who isn't a stooge for the leftist cult.

>> No.22450226

>>22449987
Christie would've had to approve those changes in some form herself. Your other screenshot supports this. Her books weren't """censored""" until Christie and her literary agent granted the American publisher that power.

Man, you really are a Snopes writer...I give you Five Pinnochios. Guess who gets Five Pinnochios all the time? That's right: JOE BIDEN.

>> No.22450382

>>22450226
That is not how publishing a book works at all. You sell the book rights for a lump sum and then they do whatever they want with it. Again, if Christie didn't want it to be called "Ten Little Niggers" she wouldn't have named it that. If you want to argue that she kowtowed to pussies like yourself, then fair enough, argue that. Stop acting like the leftist cult's agenda just happens naturally without any contrivances though.

>> No.22450451

>>22449259
>Why would I be looking for information about whether the book is censored if not to read an uncensored copy of the book?
No clue. Why would you word it in a way that's only asking for information, when your real quest is to find a physical copy.

>I want uncensored, physical copies of books so that they cannot be taken away from me. I don't want a PDF.
What about a digital copy can be took away from you? Download it onto a hard drive that is in your possession. Make several copies if you're a mega schizo.
Most PDF viewers will have some button that you can click to print it off.

>> No.22450479

>>22448981
I believe there are some parts of the cantos of Pound that praised Mussolini and interwar Italy that are still expunged from English releases and are only available in versions printed by italian publishers because they are less anal about such things.

>> No.22450494

>>22450451
I want information about physical copies because I can’t decipher which physical copies contain censorship.

Why does me wanting a physical copy make you and others seethe?

>> No.22450539

>>22450382
>sell the book rights for a lump sum and then they do whatever they want with it
From your earlier screenshot
>[After writing a letter to Christie's literary agent] the American publishers were granted the ability to...
So are you Karrine Jean Pierro or whatever that stupid fucking nigress' name is? Because you sure suck at spinning your Sleepy Joe fails as successes.

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None of the books were banned for any real reason, the real banned books are quietly removed from circulation. They do not want you learning of other systems.

>> No.22450545

>>22450542
chuds gonna chud

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>chuds gonna ch-ACK!

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>>22450545
>Thread about banned books
>Anon posts a list of hard to find books that are not available on any bookshelf and most no longer printed
>Chuds gonna chud

This is why you are losing.

>> No.22450760

>>22450559
chuds aren't winning either lmao
u trannies are losing too
yes chuds are trannies
seethe cope and dilate channie

/qa/ lost btw

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>>22449632
jesus your brain has to be equivalent to 1/10th of a little nigger

>> No.22451178

>>22450866
>posts establishment propaganda comedian
>accuses me of having a small brain
Nice life you must be living. Looking forward to The Marvels are you?

>> No.22451249

>>22450866
(YOU) >>22450866 got roasted by this anon >>22451178. Your 4chan posting credentials have been revoked. You're banished to >>>/qa/.

>> No.22451510

>>22448981
you can find a pdf of the first edition of "And Then There Were None" on archive.org and compare it with the first edition of "Ten Little Niggers". then go to libgen and find the very latest edition and see what else the Jews have done to it

>> No.22452247

>>22451510
He won't do this because he'll find out the only changes are in the rhyme, where nigger is replaced by indian or soldier. It won't serve his narrative. He is too afraid to actually know the truth. Yet if he can claim ignorance, and he knows 99% of people he would argue with would also claime ignorance, then he can always be right.

>> No.22452871

>>22452247
What’s my narrative? And what am I trying to be right about? I literally just want to read the 4th best selling book of all time, as it was written

>> No.22452904

>>22449341
Aside from publishing companies just not publishing certain books, modern censorship is the refusal of shelf space by bookstores and being ignored by mainstream press. Off of the top of my head, recent examples for each of those are a book written about the Trucker Protest in Canada (it was selling well online but Indigo refused to give it physical space in their store and had a public row with the publisher over it) and the NYT refusing to put Jordan Peterson's first book on its bestsellers list.

>> No.22453034

>>22452904
I would call that suppression, not censorship. It’s too important to be unclear about the definition of censorship. I don’t think a word of the Jordan Peterson book could be changed without there being a huge uproar about it publicly.

>> No.22453054

>>22453034
>I would call that suppression, not censorship.
That's because you're an idiot. Not that anon.

>> No.22453074

>>22448981
they changed the nigger figures in the book to indians
that's it iirc

>> No.22453098

>>22453054
Yeah, Jordan Peterson’s book is so censored having been completely unaltered and selling millions of copies and being available to buy unedited on amazon.

>> No.22453105

>>22453054
How much of a midwit do you need to be to be reading a book telling you to clean your room thinking you’re reading the turner diaries?

>> No.22453139

>>22449296
>you're a stupid fucking chud
his assumption wasn't unreasonable. learn to correct people without acting like a cunt.

>> No.22453609

>>22450542
in what world is Decline of the West or Nietzche's Will to Power a banned book?

>> No.22454202

>>22453139
Read the thread. OP confirms he's a chud looking to chud out.

>> No.22454259

>>22454202
Do you actually read literature?

>> No.22454292

>>22453609
The fantasy of a chud who wants to be a victim

>> No.22454974

>>22453034
It's censorship, anon. You're knit picking. Suppression is part of censorship and even more key now that controlled amplification and deamplification exists on social media. Not a book but look at the journalism surrounding the Biden influence peddling scandal. On the one hand you had everything to do with it initially censored and now you have minimal mainstream coverage of information related to it. It's arguable that the initial censorship gave them the ability to continue to ignore the biggest political scandal of modern times.

It's difficult to say if this level of censorship has always existed and is only evident now due to the internet, it's likely we wouldn't know about Hunter Biden or Jordan Peterson if social media didn't exist, or if it's reactionary because of pushback against traditional elites.

Jordan Peterson only sold his book despite the NYT censoring his title from the list because of a high social media profile. Anyway, who knows if he'd even be able to come to prominence now because things have gotten even worse in some ways.
>>22453098
He's right. It could conceivably happen to someone without the preexisting social media presence to withstand it and it represents an attempt to shun by a powerful entity with influence over the distribution flow of publications. It's modern censorship.
>>22453105
NTA. You aren't media savvy. "Banned book" is a marketing angle now. Search it in google and you'll get dozens of "HECKIN' BANNED BOOK" lists; fucking bookstores have banned book sections as well. Censorship isn't a meaningful concept without the idea of suppression.

>> No.22454990

>>22453054
I knew using Peterson as an example would trigger people. My guess is they see censorship as a badge of honor and someone like him pisses them off to such a degree and lives so rent-free that they can't reconcile the reality of attempts to shun with their opinion of him.

>> No.22454994

https://youtu.be/TeeYZhFvRLQ?si=iWoKJZxlQ6Z83RmG

Dankula has a video about some.

>> No.22455371

>>22449112
go on ebay and search 'agatha christie ten little' and there are hundreds of copies, the cheapest I saw was for 3.50

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>>22448981
If you want to know about censored books there are four things you should look up:
1. "sensitivity readers." This is censorship by a thousand cuts. They think by making the book "still available" it isn't censorship, but what they're actually doing is replacing the true work with their new censored version of it. Sensitivity readers are censoring the works of Mark Twain, Roald Dahl, and Ian Flemming, to name a few.
1a. Similarly, there are versions of the Quran that are purposefully mistranslated by sensitivity readers. These passages are commonly about how to buy or sell slaves, how to circumcise women, and other barbaric practices Allah approves of.
2. Books banned on Amazon, such as Culture of Critique.
3. Antelope Hill Publishing. They're trying to bring back censored books like The Turner Diaries to the public, so now there's an effort to censor the publisher.
4. Manifestos. For a while the only version of Mein Kampf in the US was a heavily censored translation missing more than half of the original contents. Police tried to hide Brenton Tarrant's manifesto after his shooting spree. Police still haven't released the manifesto of Audrey Hale, the tranny who shot up a school of kids in Nashville earlier this year.

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>>22455418

>> No.22455750

>>22455411
Ewww, those witches changes are so gay

>> No.22455754

>>22454974
The Jordan Peterson book is absolutely a “HECKIN’ BANNED BOOK” faggot

>> No.22455799

>>22455371
Cheapest uncensored copy I see is over $100