Plato's Generation of Number(s)

[Anonymous No.22415002]

What is the generation of numbers, again? Is it an attempt to explain why there are different quantities of number? What exactly is the metaphysical process behind it? Does it imply that numbers are real?

[Anonymous No.22415496]

Like, a random number generator?

[Anonymous No.22415511]

>>22415002
As the One is the highest, every instantiation will be also a unity in the least form of manifestation. Then the process of One becoming Two and Three, is the process of multiplication of Forms and instances. The One is One. But by being and One it means it is a Dyad, etc. But it is and it isn't, so the One is above the dyadic relation that constrains into the dialectical form of identity and difference.

[Anonymous No.22415525]

>>22415511
How many levels is necessary for a full understanding of the generation of numbers? One? Two? Three? Also, how did you develop your understanding of the generation of numbers?

[Anonymous No.22416955]

filtered

[Anonymous No.22417095]

I said this already, don't do it. Here's your real rec:

Level 1:Magee, The Story of Philosophy

Level 2: Plato: Euthyphro > Apology > Crito > Phaedo > Meno > Republic
Book I-II Descartes: Meditations

Level 3: Fill in the gaps by learning everyone Magee covered in whatever order you'd like after that.

Level 4 (overlaps with 3): Fill in the gaps Magee did not cover, to whatever extent you want, in whatever order you want.

Level 5: (overlaps with 4): At some point, try to structure the history in your mind semi-chronologically. You should be able, on call, to write competent essays summarizing the ideas of individual philosophers and their connections of influence or reaction to each other. It's at this stage that it matters to read Copleston's history and other secondary and tertiary literature.

Level 6: IF you've made it this far, you should have a complete knowledge of most historical philosophy. But the time it takes to get here if you're dedicated is probably 10 years. I mean I feel I'm in level 5 bordering in 6 but I first took a philosophy class in 2013, majored in 2014, then did a MA, and so far four years of PhD, in philosophy. So that's ten years. But you have a lifetime ahead of you. It's not "over" if you don't do this by age 30, though I'm not 30 yet myself. It's "over" when you die. So if you die at 80, you've got some 50-60 yeears ahead of you.

Go, have fun, stay dedicated, and don't follow memes. BE YOURSELF

[Anonymous No.22417116]

>>22417095
wrong thread

[Anonymous No.22417576]

bump

[Anonymous No.22417919]

>>22415002
This is an extremely esoteric topic that very few Plato scholars have even heard of, let alone have a solid understanding of. You're going to have a hard time finding anybody who gets it on this board.
>t. retarded Plato hobbyist

[Anonymous No.22417943]

>>22415525
Read the Parmenides (second half especially) and about the agrapha dogmata (Tübingen School). I’m sure you’ll know where to go next.

[Anonymous No.22417957]

>>22417943
>read Plato's most gibberish dialogue and then read some speculative bs after that
op don't do this, he's wasting your time when he could have answered your question

[Anonymous No.22418421]

>>22415511
>One becoming two and three, is the process of multiplication of forms and instances.

Did he have a copy of the daodejing, lol
道生一,一生二,二生三,三生万物

Anyway, is there a particular dialogue people draw this from? I remember it being in the pythagorean diss section of Aristotle's metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.22418824]

>>22418421
Plato’s Parmenides

[Anonymous No.22418970]

>>22418421
People get it primarily from Aristotle, since he seems to speak openly about something you'd have to infer otherwise from the dialogues, and then people piece it together from passages in the Parmenides, Timaeus, Sophist, Statesman, and Philebus.

[Anonymous No.22418974]

>>22415002
Ah, Plato's musings on the generation of numbers, a topic that both tantalizes and perplexes. His discourse, situated within the realms of metaphysical abstraction, endeavors to elucidate the ontological status of numbers and their various manifestations. Plato's contention, rooted in the realm of Forms, posits that numbers, as immutable and eternal entities, transcend the ephemeral world of the senses.

The generation of numbers, in Plato's schema, constitutes a process of emanation from the World of Forms, the realm of perfect and eternal concepts. Numbers are not merely accidental phenomena that arise from empirical observation; rather, they are intrinsic to the very fabric of reality, existing as timeless archetypes. The metaphysical process he envisions seeks to explain not so much the varied quantities of numbers, as you suggest, but rather their ideal existence and the manner in which they participate in the grand symphony of reality.

Plato's postulation of the reality of numbers does indeed imply a certain ontological veracity to their existence, though not in the same concrete sense as material entities. For Plato, numbers are not bound by the vagaries of time and space, but rather occupy a realm of abstract perfection. Thus, the generation of numbers is a metaphysical endeavor to uncover the transcendental essence of these mathematical entities, underscoring their distinct reality within his philosophical edifice.

[Anonymous No.22418990]

>>22418970
Yeah, that's what I thought, thanks. I couldn't remember it being stated in numerological terms outside of Aristotle, but I can't pretend to be super into all the dialogues.

[Anonymous No.22419029]

>>22418974
chatgpt

[Anonymous No.22419416]

bump

[Anonymous No.22419441]

>>22415002
To give you a serious answer, he actually gives a process of generation of numbers in Parmenides. If I remember correctly it's in the second deduction.

[Anonymous No.22420710]

bumperion

[Anonymous No.22421344]

bumpy

[Anonymous No.22421897]

final bump

[Anonymous No.22423101]

jk, waiting out for one effortpost before letting it slide

[Anonymous No.22423341]

>>22415511
>>22415525
but why three? why not four?

[Anonymous No.22424827]

>>22417095
LOL why's my Magee post a copypasta now, whatever, I mean I wrote the original version of this post
>>22415002
It's supposed to be ratios of the Large and Small.

[Anonymous No.22425306]

>>22424827
the what now? and then there's a mean in there too?

[Anonymous No.22425870]

>>22424827
but isn't that a ratio that can be applied everywhere and is thus nowhere? nothing is truly large or small, it's always relative.

[Anonymous No.22427228]

generation of numgers

and then it was all downhill from there