Form vs Matter

[Anonymous No.22412012]

>"the Greeks were unable to free themselves from form; modern Westerners seem above all powerless to extricate themselves from matter"

What are the implications of such a distinction between form and matter according to you?

[Anonymous No.22412024]

>>22412012
Guenon's East & West btw.

[Anonymous No.22412055]

>>22412012
>westoids are materialists who only care about quanti-ACK

[Anonymous No.22412059]

>>22412012
also ancient greek "matter" is not even close to being the same as Hobbesian corporeal substance. guenon always does this.

[Anonymous No.22412065]

>>22412012
It depends on what period of the Greeks we're talking about... I'd say that before 500 BC their spirits were strong and bright and not too tied down with the materialism of weaklings. After this, a slow rot begins and in a few centuries Greece is effectively spiritually dead, and thus also intellectually dead. Its only natural that the Romans steamrolled them- they (the Greeks) had already lost themselves. If the Greeks had maintained their original spirit, they would have been easily able to resist and throw off Roman conquest. Without it, they didn't even put a real fight. They were too materialist to fight back.

[Anonymous No.22412141]

>>22412059
>also ancient greek "matter" is not even close to being the same as Hobbesian corporeal substance
Actually, it is. Never heard of "hyle"? If you mean "corporeal substance" to mean "the raw stuff things are made of", then yes it absolutely is.

[Anonymous No.22412567]

>>22412141
no, it isn't. i understand nuance is difficult for guenonfags, but you should try harder.

[Anonymous No.22413150]

>>22412567
Not a Guenonfag, just popped in and noticed that you were talking absolute horseshit. Aristotle even coined the term hyle from the colloquial Greek word for “wood”, especially in the processed raw material sense, to describe the “stuff” that things are made of. If you’re going to make a claim that Aristotle and others did not mean matter in a similar sense we have today, then you’re going to have to explain yourself. They absolutely did, even if matter was only part of their metaphysical equation.

[Anonymous No.22413198]

hecking oriental mysticism they know the hidden truth that is hidden from the wect

[Anonymous No.22413226]

>>22413198
it's in plain sight but the west just can't see it

[Anonymous No.22413766]

>>22412012
matter doesn't exist, just a concept. Mud exists, wood exists, electrons exist, but "matter" is a false conception of the ancients.

[Anonymous No.22413803]

>>22412012
I dont know why it took me so long to see this but this separation of form from matter and vice versa is just another fallacy.

[Anonymous No.22413824]

>>22412065
What a bunch of nonsensical drivel. Did Indians lose to old world because they lacked the spirit too?