/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22405615]

Let us discuss Catholic literature. I just began reading the Summa of the Summa. Really good stuff so far.

[Anonymous No.22405618]

>Really good stuff so far.

[Anonymous No.22405622]

>>22405615
Child porn is illegal, discount Jew

[Anonymous No.22405632]

>>22405615
I like the story of him chasing the prostitute with a burning stick. Truly a holy man.

[Anonymous No.22405710]

>>22405615
Based Chesterton.

>The Everlasting Man
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/65688

[Anonymous No.22405713]

>>22405710
>>22405615
based chesterton
the man who was thursday did kafka before kafka

[Anonymous No.22405743]

>>22405615
>Lord of the Rings, etc. from Tolkien
>BOTNS, etc. from Gene Wolfe
>Canticle for Liebowitz by Arthur Miller
>Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson
>Fourth Mansions, etc. by RA Lafferty
>Father Brown, etc. by GK Chesterson
And I'm looking for more myself. Recs?
>>22405710
Based.

[Anonymous No.22405787]

>>22405743
>I despise allegory in all its forms...
LOTR is as catholic a book as a sandwich made by Tolkien would be a catholic sandwich.

[Anonymous No.22405977]

>>22405787
His view of allegory was having direct stand-in placements, which he disliked. LOTR doesn't really do that aside from Eru Illuvatar obviously being God.

[Anonymous No.22405982]

>>22405977
cope and rope (same for the pope) you dope

[Anonymous No.22405985]

>>22405977
cope

[Anonymous No.22406074]

>>22405787
LOTR is a story only a Catholic, only a Christian, could tell. It's not overtly Christian but it clearly exists in a universe that operates on Christian principles.

You can tell because the entire salvation of the world turns on an act of mercy. Bilbo's decision to spare Gollum's life in The Hobbit, when he was well within his rights to kill him, winds up being the reason good triumphs over evil. You'd never get that in a pagan story, probably wouldn't get it in a Muslim story either.

[Anonymous No.22406089]

>>22406074
>is a story only a Catholic, only a Christian
Pick one

[Anonymous No.22406094]

>>22406074
this

[Anonymous No.22406098]

Roman Catholic or Reformed Catholic?

[Anonymous No.22406102]

>>22406074
>>22406094
>only Christians can value mercy and have themes about good deeds coming back to be helpful later

[Anonymous No.22406122]

Thoughts on Leviticus?

[Anonymous No.22406126]

>>22406122
Leviticus dick nigga

[Anonymous No.22406733]

>>22406126

[Anonymous No.22406748]

>>22406089
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
>818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

[Anonymous No.22406944]

>>22405618
demonic
>>22405622
coping
>>22405787
by
>>22406098
heretics
>>22406102
and
>>22406126
seculars

It's gotta be God's Church at this point.

>>22405615
Evelyn Waugh is fantastic and inspired John Kennedy Toole. I would add in here that
>Thomas Joseph White OP, The Incarnate Lord
Is apparently more difficult than what most STLs read.

[Anonymous No.22406951]

>>22406748
This is somewhat an overgenerous reading:
>"Unitatis Redintegratio" excerpt from Section 3:
>"...the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church."

[Anonymous No.22406953]

>>22406098
Honestly Lutheranism is probably the most disgusting of the heresies. Luther is not only a figure of disgrace due to bigamy but most properly his whole idea that Jesus Christ came to create a great book club is so offensive to Christ as to be nearly pure evil.

[Anonymous No.22407002]

>>22406944
>tradlarping this hard on the internet hate machine

[Anonymous No.22407009]

>>22405615
paradise lost good. Divina comedia good, me likey.
Summa theologica is scholastics, wouldn't really view that as literature, rather as philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22407030]

>>22406951
The catechism is used by the bishops to teach Catholics throughout the entire world and is thus part of the ordinary magisterium, and you are obligated to assent to it.

[Anonymous No.22407142]

>>22406944
sky rabbi said so!
>catholic theology

Read picrel ice temperature iq

[Anonymous No.22407156]

Essential (Reformed) Catholic reading list
>The Holy Bible
>The Westminster Standards
>The Three Forms of Unity
>Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin (PBUH)
>Institutes of Elenctic Theology by Francis Turretin
>The Christian's Reasonable Service by Wilhelmus à Brakel
>Reformed Dogmatics by Herman Bavinck
>Reformed Dogmatics by Geerhardus Vos
>Calvin's Commentaries
>Matthew Henry's Commentary
>Every Puritan Paperback title

[Anonymous No.22407374]

>>22406102
Yeah actually.

Atheists can't even forgive someone for saying slurs in decades-old online posts.

[Anonymous No.22407401]

>>22407374
not a good post for team christ desu

[Anonymous No.22407432]

reading this right now the concept of the trinity of so confusing to put into words and the author does a great job. I really enjoy St Augustine "Confessions" and "City of God" are books I would recommend as well.

[Anonymous No.22407450]

I went to this Catholic church by me and they had a full band and were singing songs in english is that normal? I actually enjoyed the sermon a lot and the building was beautiful but did I go to some heretical church?

[Anonymous No.22407455]

>>22407450
That's the norm since Vatican II. Conservative Protestant churches are more solemn and respectful.

[Anonymous No.22407557]

>>22405622
Jude.

[Anonymous No.22407632]

>>22405615
I'm trying to make my way through the catechism. Hope you guys are well and God bless.

[Anonymous No.22407891]

what are the requirements of entering a seminary? what do you typically learn in your six years at a seminary?

[Anonymous No.22407914]

>>22407891
Molestation techniques, and cover up methods.

[Anonymous No.22407926]

>>22405743
>Canticle for Liebowitz by Arthur Miller
Walter Miller*

[Anonymous No.22407934]

>>22405713
>How to save western civilization
The answer is easy pic related

[Anonymous No.22407940]

>>22407934
And this pic as well. Reject Vatican II and reject the novus ordo. Return to Traditional Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22407949]

>>22407934
>>22407940
lul

[Anonymous No.22407950]

>>22407934
>>22407940
If you have to reject an ecumenical council and the pope then you aren't Catholic anymore and should just admit Catholicism is wrong and become Protestant or Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.22407968]

>>22407950
>ecumenical council run by jesuits and freemasons
No thanks
>protestants
Heretics that are not Christian
>Orthodox
I find them to be more schismatic than Traditional Catholics, mainly the Filioque. And the fact that they are run by the international feds.

[Anonymous No.22407971]

>>22406953
Catholics are so hateful whenever someone tries to correct the false doctrine of the Roman catholic church (even if it's a Catholic that tries to do it).

[Anonymous No.22407976]

>>22407968
>trust the religion experts, chud!
>and trust and their private interpretation of God's Word which they put below man's traditions and man's word!

[Anonymous No.22407987]

>>22407968
You're just a Protestant larping as what you think Catholics were probably like 100 years ago

[Anonymous No.22408000]

My fellow Catholic chads, I have an important question. Is media piracy a sin? The whole copyright thing sounds like bogus to me, and it does more harm than good. But I can't find a straight answer online to this since the Church doesn't seem to have an official stance on this.

[Anonymous No.22408056]

>>22407971
>>22407976
Here is a few explanations as to why protestants are not Christian
>from Catholics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTnX_63XOo
And this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMIdVntKr8c
>from orthodox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgk_kck_zE4
And this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7OYnVJ8RUc
>>22407987
I am a Traditional Catholic and that is what all Catholics were like (or tried to be like) before vatican II and the novus ordo which happened in 1969. Which is why I advocate for a return to Traditional Catholicism and the abrogation of Vatican II, the novus ordo, the 1962 missal reform, and the 1955 changes to The Holy Week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxZoc_JhQtw
Pic related maybe you will understand with anime memes

[Anonymous No.22408065]

>>22408056
>and that is what all Catholics were like (or tried to be like) before vatican II
Catholics before Vatican II obeyed the Pope and didn't decide what Catholicism was based on their private opinion

[Anonymous No.22408069]

>>22408000
On one hand you are technically stealing which would make it a sin, on the other (((paid subscription services))) like what adobe is doing is unethical and they kind of force your hand. What software do you need and perhaps I can give you a free and better alternative.

[Anonymous No.22408074]

>>22408056
Here's an explanation from an ex-catholic as to why Roman catholicism is an antichrist system with a false gospel that doesn't save.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdlczbO5Csc

Catholics and "Orthodox" make images and bow to and serve them, violating God's Law to keep their pagan idolatry traditions of men. I don't care what impenitent sinners have to say, nor do I care for their endless mental gymnastics to justify keeping their traditions which violate God's law. You should just stop trying to debate me, you won't win because God's Word condemns your cult.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

[Anonymous No.22408082]

>>22408065
>and didn't decide what Catholicism was based on their private opinion
The same could be said of the freemasons that infiltrated the vatican and decided to create vatican II
>obeyed the pope
We would love to obey and be lead by a pious devout Traditional Catholic Pope, not a jesuit who is openly heretical like what he did with the pachamama

[Anonymous No.22408085]

>>22408082
>Well in my opinion it happened like this and I would obey but only if the pope agreed with me of course

[Anonymous No.22408106]

>>22408085
They have to obey the deposit of faith which is two thousand years of the faith through tradition. I am not separated from that, vatican II, the novus ordo, and liberal priests are.

[Anonymous No.22408117]

>>22407450
Look for an SSPX or tidentine mass near you

[Anonymous No.22408118]

>>22408106
Tradition is not up to your private interpretation of it, it's up to the teaching of the hierarchy, as it exists at any point in time. If you are honestly convinced there is a contradiction (and there is, obviously) then it means that Catholicism is false and has been false for a long time.

[Anonymous No.22408166]

>>22407968
As a traditional Catholic, your memes and posts trigger all my larping alarm bells. NO Catholic children who used make fun of me had a better understanding of our memes.
>veiling at mass is obedience to God
>praying all fifteen mysteries
Is this bitch having a stroke?

[Anonymous No.22408195]

>>22408069
I don't even pirate software, basically anything FOSS is better. I'm just wondering how bad is it to say, download recordings of classical music and retro game ROMs, which is what I do.

[Anonymous No.22408301]

>>22408166
>veiling at mass is obedience to God
Women veil for many reasons but it is all downstream of obediance to God's will.
>praying all fifteen mysteries
Our Lady gave us fifteen mysteries of the rosary that we should pray every single day: The five joyful, the five sorrowful, and the five glorious. The luminous mysteries are not a part of it and should not be prayed.

[Anonymous No.22408315]

>>22408195
>recordings of classical music and retro game ROMs
This is a matter of preservation which is then not stealing especially if they are no longer available on the market. But I leave it to your discretion.

[Anonymous No.22408384]

>>22407432
God as subject/object/verb

Lover, loved, loving

Thinker, thought, thinking (quoting Aristotle)

I thank the Lord for Augustine

[Anonymous No.22409298]

bump

[Anonymous No.22409377]

I like Bishop Barron

[Anonymous No.22409496]

>>22405615
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.22409823]

>>22405618

[Anonymous No.22409831]

Read Ronald Firbank
>His novels have been championed by many English novelists including E. M. Forster, Evelyn Waugh, Alan Hollinghurst and Simon Raven.

[Anonymous No.22409832]

Read these guys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_literary_revival

[Anonymous No.22409862]

>>22408301
>>praying all fifteen mysteries
>Our Lady gave us fifteen mysteries of the rosary that we should pray every single day
You are having a stroke because the only time anyone has asked for that is to bring about V2.

[Anonymous No.22409930]

>>22408056
You're not a Catholic you're a larping chud not different from Ortholarper zoomers whose deepest motivation for their "faith" is "OMG look at that beard IT'S BASED".

[Anonymous No.22409935]

>>22408301
>let's pray the joyful mysteries on a friday
wtf is wrong with you you sick fucking cunt?

[Anonymous No.22409940]

Here's a fun question: has anyone ITT actually read any of the documents of the Second Vatican Council?

We all hate the "Spirit of Vatican 2," but I confess I am intrigued by what the Council has to say for itself, distinct from the "spirit." I have read an encyclical by Pope Saint Paul VI and didn't find it particularly offensive.

I'm intrigued about what's actually said by Vatican 2 itself. Supposedly Bishop Barron has put out a collection of the major documents, has anyone gotten it? Has anyone read the major documents of Vatican 2 in general?

[Anonymous No.22409950]

>>22406944
Qrd on Waugh's influence on JK Toole? I'm not super familiar with Waugh and only know him as that stuffy Catholic Englishman with gay undertones (and Brideshead as the stuffy English Catholic book with gay undertones). Sounds very different from Toole's absurdist New Orleans so I want to know the connection.

[Anonymous No.22409958]

>>22409940
A lot of the upset of V2 Vs trad is because of later letters (humanae vitae is basically the post V2 pro life position of the church and kicks off a lot of shit with regards to communism and birth control) not because of V2. Trad larpers on here like to play up the differences, but V2 specifically says there's nothing wrong with sticking to the old calendar, old rites, or saying the old prayers. Some of the reasons ironically that people didn't want V2 is because V2 held the potential for a more active role in politics than the church ever wanted even in the Spanish Inquisition era. Trad larpers probably dislike humanae vitae for allowing birth control to be prescribed for medical conditions, but like it for it's battle against communist states allowing abortion. Modernising the church means the church has to hold more positions on modern events, which makes the church more concerned with temporal and political views (which is ironically what larpers are interested in)

[Anonymous No.22409959]

>>22408000
I think it is solely because my conscience tells me so. For more specifics of what I think

>not a sin
Watching an old movie/content that someone uploaded to Youtube and no one enforcing copyright took down
Using Adblock
Torrenting old content that has not been made legally purchaseable for the sake of preservation
>a sin
Torrenting content that you are able to buy but choose not to

[Anonymous No.22409964]

>>22407891
Theology, of course, but also many practical aspects of parish life.
Can't say anything more precise

[Anonymous No.22410160]

>>22407002
I go to daily Mass, God willing.
>>22407030
>ordinary magisterium, and you are obligated to assent to it.
Heterdoxy is when you don't assent to the ordinary magisterium and only the extraordonary. I am very heterodox. The Catechism is a great document but the rendering "brothers of Christ" does not remove heretics in reality.
>>22407142
I have. It's interesting but even Kant is a Protestant and views God as necessary.
>>22407455
>That's the norm since Vatican II. Conservative Protestant churches are more solemn and respectful.
Untrue. Many parishes are not like that.
>>22407450
You went to a "liberal" Catholic parish. Look for a Latin mass or look for churches with multiple confessional times, which typically means their Orthodox.
>>22407971
>Catholics are so hateful whenever someone tries to correct the false doctrine of the Roman catholic
I am not hateful of Protestants but Protestantism, which I view differently as non-denominationalism. Non-denominational Christians are fine and mostly innocent but credal Protestants are satanic and give scandal to God's good name.
>>22409950
According to Toole's biographer in Butterfly in the Typewriter, he was immensley influenced by Waugh and viewed him as a fictional examplar. I have only read Brideshead Revisited and unironically I didn't think it had gay overtones because I just viewed it as very close and loving male friends, other than one character.

[Anonymous No.22410385]

>>22409496

This dude is a clown

>aktshually this 2000 year old document that wasn't written as a historiography and had multiple authors is not 100% consistent so therefore everything is false

This is your brain on atheism

[Anonymous No.22410387]

>>22409940

Trad is just trendy right now as a kneejerk reactionary movement to modern society. V2 is fine.

[Anonymous No.22410391]

Do Roman Catholics exist in the Traditionalist School?

[Anonymous No.22410410]

>>22405615
>The Blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven Will See the Punishments of the Damned So That Their Bliss May Be More Delightful to Them
discuss this

[Anonymous No.22410415]

>>22409958
does the church make a distinction between birth control and contraception? With contraception you are preventing fertilization but with birth control you are allowing fertilization to happen then tricking your body into performing an abortion. I feel like there should be a big difference theologically.

[Anonymous No.22410491]

>>22410415
Rhythm's allowed for everyone who's doing family planning. That's because it's existed since the early 1900s as a kind of life preservation thing for mothers and the other children especially in poverty. There's very limited circumstances it applies to and you basically have to be poor, old or sick enough that having an extra child could easily lead to some worse sin.
Hormonal birth control is allowed so long as the person has another medical reason to do it. That it stops pregnancy has to be incidental. That's the Humanae Vitae view: you can't force someone to be unhealthy, and in the choice between healthy and infertile or unhealthy and fertile, you choose to make the person healthy not hope their kid will replace them.
Intention matters a lot in Catholicism, so if you have a medical condition which requires you take birth control pills, but you would have taken the pills even if you didn't have the condition, still a sin.

[Anonymous No.22410546]

>>22410160
hmm interesting I figured it was a modernist church and not the norm, it was my first time ever going to mass so I wasn't sure what to expect. I was pretty surprised that they had electric guitars and drums and at the end of the service everyone clapped I had never seen that before and I used to go to a Unitarian church when I was little and a reformed synagogue later (mom is Jewish dad is Christian). I looked it up and there is a Latin Mass Church that is pope approved ran by the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter close to me that has mass and confession every day so I will go check them out tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.22410561]

>>22409496
He's still just an Evangelical retard in different dressing. His whole schtick is there is "orthodox corruption" of texts, but that's what Evangelicals have always said. He's grew up in a family of dumb rednecks and went to Moody Bible College and can never erase it, no matter how much an academic and secular facade he puts on now.
His "agnosticism" means nothing because he was never was in the Church to begin with.

[Anonymous No.22410570]

>>22407934
>false religions
Religiously illiterate

[Anonymous No.22410576]

>>22410570
A religion is worthless if it can't cast out evil. Even moreso when it invites it.

[Anonymous No.22410613]

>>22409950
>stuffy Catholic Englishman with gay undertones (
Brideshead hits different if you're Catholic (not the larping kind) because it makes jokes about stuff you learn as a Catholic and has a kind of logic that makes absolute sense in the same kind of way an auto-da-fe makes sense.
Waugh lampshades it with the Rex character and the spiritual rain joke about infallibility, because that is a technically correct answer. A lot of it ribs Catholicism too much to be well accepted by some who think the Church can't take a ribbing.
However, a lot of people not familiar with the Church find the ending... weird. Waugh was already the kind of pound of flesh cunning that would innately understand the Church's position on faith and suffering. The inquisition asked for an act of faith in God's forgiveness, aka sometimes burning people at the stake, because you couldn't simply just confess the faith. You had to confess you knew you should burn and show the conviction. They couldn't threaten you with burning to make you confess, because then they couldn't tell if it was faith or fear. They had to make you confess you knew the just punishment and let you show would take it as your chance at redemption. They couldn't burn you to condemn you to Hell, because that would make everyone watching complicit, but they can burn you to show your faith in the Lord.

[Anonymous No.22410709]

>>22405713
Is pic a good place for a know-nothing to get an understanding of tradcaths?

[Anonymous No.22410719]

>>22410576
Both Christianity and Islam, when practiced properly, cast out evil. Likewise, they do not, when they are not practiced properly.

[Anonymous No.22410751]

>>22410719

Islam IS evil

[Anonymous No.22410753]

>>22410709

Why are you focused on tradcaths?

[Anonymous No.22410760]

>>22410753
Isn't that what the pic is about?

[Anonymous No.22410869]

>>22410760
If anything that pic is closer to Anglican. High Anglican is close to Catholicism, but if you want high Anglican you're better off with Auden.

[Anonymous No.22410879]

>>22410869
I will admit I am not really looking for anything specific but to understand this catholic/anglican perspective. I will go through the readling list because it is a selection of works that I have no experience in.

[Anonymous No.22410901]

>>22410879
High Anglicanism is close to Catholicism because early Anglicanism changed so much that people weren't happy with it, because it seemed like a religion made up so Henry could shag more people. Bringing it back closer to Catholicism made Elizabeth unpopular (and Edward before her) with people who hated Catholicism, so by the time there's an English language bible with James, everyone's equally unhappy with the Anglicans as either too Protestant or too Catholic. You have weird pieces developing in between (Cromwell the Puritan, along with Calvinists and Presbyterians and other products of the reformation) but basically it means that High Anglicans are a bit like 17th Century Catholics, and most other Anglicans are about as consistent as people who believe in crystals. The other English and British protestant groups are more like protestants you would find in other countries, but they don't have official backing of the state/monarch.

[Anonymous No.22410972]

What else is there that is similar to Flannery O'Connor? I loved her short stories and want more in stuff in the same vein.

[Anonymous No.22411065]

>>22410760

No. It's just Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22411223]

>>22406953
>Jesus Christ is offended by the laity reading scripture, specially in the common tongue!
Oh no, pachamama save us!

[Anonymous No.22411229]

>>22407156
Based
Also subscribe to "The Other Paul", on YouTube while we're giving reformed recommendations

[Anonymous No.22411244]

Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy have the best liturgies/mass/church service. They also have some semblance of historical continuity with the apostles, and a way to explain canonization and all the externals on point.
But they get the gospels and salvation wrong and also gathered accretions and man made traditions over the years including idolatry and necromancy.

The reformers get the gospels and salvation right and Christs pure teachings clear and concise without fabrications and accretions. But reformed lack a historical visible church, uniformity and some sort of church heirarchy to make sure the dogmas are preserved well

[Anonymous No.22411265]

>>22411244
Sounds like you need Anglicanism

[Anonymous No.22411274]

>>22410160
>>Catholics are so hateful whenever someone tries to correct the false doctrine of the Roman catholic
>I am not hateful of Protestants
Lying is a sin.

[Anonymous No.22411305]

>>22411244
>getting called necromancers by Protestants
Been a while

[Anonymous No.22411316]

>>22411305
Talking to the dead is necromancy. There's nothing in scripture showing the assumption of Mary or any of the "patron saints". The Scripture plainly shows the dead are resting in peace, where there is no thought nor any praise for God, until the resurrection. I could quote the verses, but you rarely care for God's Word, rather only your traditions of men and the words of mere mortal men. Your religion has outgrown the Bible.

[Anonymous No.22411345]

>>22411316
>There's nothing in scripture showing the assumption of Mary
Revelations
>Scripture plainly shows the dead are resting in peace, where there is no thought nor any praise for God, until the resurrection. I
The Resurrection already happened, and we celebrate it every Easter and live in His Real Presence.
>Saints
Have existed since the old testament, and through Jesus dying and giving us all Eternal Life, are in Eternal communion with God, and like angels, do not exist in our temporal reality.

[Anonymous No.22411459]

>>22411345
>Revelations
What revelations? You mean the book of Revelation? The resurrection mentioned there has not happened yet.

>The Resurrection already happened
That's the resurrection of Christ, not the resurrection I'm talking about.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

>Have existed since the old testament,
That doesn't mean you pray to them. Christ said to pray to "our Father" (and he didn't mean a priest or a pope or a patriarch when he said that).

[Anonymous No.22411676]

>>22409862
Our lady gave us the "Psalter of Our Lady" which is commonly refered to as the rosary. Psalter refers to 150 prayers just like the psalms, praying all 15 mysteries is 150 Ave Marias which is what we should pray every single day, NOT 1/3 of the rosary which is 5 mysteries which is 50 prayers. No one prays all fifteen for V2 but rather to abrogate V2.
>>22409935
Refer to above. All 15 every single day.

[Anonymous No.22411691]

>>22410160
>which I view differently as non-denominationalism. Non-denominational Christians are fine and mostly innocent
Non denominational "Christians" are protestants all the same there is no difference between them. They are just as equal heretics and not Christian as a result.

[Anonymous No.22411765]

>>22411459
>On the assumption of the Virgin Mary
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
>On the saints
>Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to God, and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.
- Colossians 1:3
>Render therefore to all men their dues. Tribute, to whom tribute is due: custom, to whom custom: fear, to whom fear: honour, to whom honour.
- Romans 13:7
>But thou hast a few names in Sardis, which have not defiled their garments: and they shall walk with me in white, because they are worthy.
- Revelation 3:4
>And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints:
- Revelation 5:8
>And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God.
- Revelation 8:3
>For as in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office:
- Romans 12:4
>Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much.
- James 5:16

[Anonymous No.22411966]

>>22411244
>necromancy
Can confirm, I reanimated my grandma's corpse and when I told the priest in confession all I had to do was say 3 Hail Marys.

[Anonymous No.22412017]

>>22410160
>give scandal to God's good name.
Whilst I agree the protestant groups have their own issues, the Catholic Church has been its own worst enemy when it comes to scandal, be that through its abhorrent handing of the sexual abuse crises, extreme corruption, or cooperation with dictatorships. The fact that in many countries the Church is seen as the representative of God on earth means that these scandals have probably turned more people from God than any atheist.

[Anonymous No.22412027]

>>22405615
>Catholic literature
Cringe

[Anonymous No.22412185]

>>22412017
>sexual abuse crises
lower abuse rates than gen pop even at the height of the abuse half a century ago, modern abuse rates are almost nonexistent
>extreme corruption, or cooperation with dictatorships
same shit exists in the Orthodox Churches but they never get shit for it.

You're going along with half-truth propaganda designed solely to pretend universal issues are specific problems with Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22412198]

>>22412017
>>22412185
lol the mainstream media has you by the balls

[Anonymous No.22412200]

>>22412198
Didnt mean to >>22412185 you I meant to agree with you

[Anonymous No.22412269]

>>There's nothing in scripture showing the assumption of Mary
>Revelations
Late medieval eisegesis is not tradition

[Anonymous No.22412292]

>>22407401
How is it not? I'm not that anon but I'm a Turkish Christian if someone were to call me a racial slur I would forgive them. Why do atheists find it so hard to forgive then?

[Anonymous No.22412349]

>>22405615
i also have summa of the summa on my to read list but might go for the full summa theologica,right now tho im starting on the trinity by st-augustine.

[Anonymous No.22412524]

>>22412349

Check this out. Super helpful footnotes.

[Anonymous No.22412752]

Any writers ITT who are also Catholic?

I'm hard at work on a very big story that I hope will glorify God. It's a sci-fi story, but it's full of mystical and metaphysical elements drawn directly from theology and Church teaching and tradition.

I've also gotten a few short stories and a few poems published; I even got a poem into First Things once.

[Anonymous No.22413639]

not too many Catholic writers nowadays talk about the struggle to remain Catholic

it feels very lonely

[Anonymous No.22413668]

>>22411676
>No one prays all fifteen for V2 but rather to abrogate V2.
>anon trying to fake church history
Praying all fifteen for V2 is because the Venerable Pius XII was the first pope in hundreds of years to address the place of Marian devotion in the faith, with his elevation of the assumption of Mary to dogma in 1950. V2 comes off the back of his modernization and review of dogma.
>is 150 Ave Marias which is what we should pray every single day,
I notice you exclude all the other parts of the rosary in this, and make no reference to the other daily Marian devotions. It's like watching someone try to fake being Jewish and hoping nobody else speaks Hebrew.
And as the other anon pointed out, you're claiming to do Joyful mysteries on days dedicated to fasting and reflecting on the suffering of our Lord, which is like showing up to a funeral in a clown suit, or dressing your wife in white to meet the pope. The level of audacious lack of knowledge on this front is like not knowing what to eat on fast days, so I'm glad you're not Catholic and therefore not culpable for flagrant ignorance.

[Anonymous No.22413696]

How the fuck do you keep your faith

[Anonymous No.22413747]

>>22413696

What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.22413748]

>>22413696
for me the problem isnt as much keeping the faith but resisting the urge to kill myself,but you have to remember that we must all bear our cross to follow him.

[Anonymous No.22413752]

>>22412269
>Mary appeared to John of Patmos just for kicks
She seems to do that a lot

[Anonymous No.22413797]

>>22410546
>I looked it up and there is a Latin Mass Church that is pope approved ran by the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter close to me that has mass and confession every day so I will go check them out tomorrow.
You are in for an absolute treat. I also recommend going to a solemn mass with full song, incense, and acolytes.

[Anonymous No.22413842]

I'm a tranny and go to SSPX masses with a veil and everything lol. I was raised Catholic so it feels nice to eat the eucharist and stuff, besides latin masses are very silent and give you time to meditate.

I would be lynched by the priest and the parishers if they found out though, feels bad :(

[Anonymous No.22413859]

>>22413842
You take nothing serious.

[Anonymous No.22413866]

>>22413859
I still love Jesus though.

[Anonymous No.22413977]

>>22413842
St John of the Cross says in the spiritual canticle that praying the same way and praying in the same language every time is an attachment to eventually abandon you should go to a liberal church that will accept you and stop lying to the whole parish every time you go to mass

[Anonymous No.22414008]

>>22413977
I'm attached because I was raised Catholic though, protestants are a but weird and alien to me so I wouldn't feel comfortable there.

[Anonymous No.22414044]

>>22413866
not enough to respect the body he gave you apparently,body that is a temple of the holy spirit.

[Anonymous No.22414087]

>>22414044
With all due respect anon, you don't know what it's like to be mentally ill and cry looking at your make reflection at the mirror. I just think God prefer me the way I'm now than killing myself.

[Anonymous No.22414088]

>>22410751
>My religion says this other religion which I know from 4chan posts is evil therefore it's bad!

[Anonymous No.22414118]

>>22414088
correct

[Anonymous No.22414202]

>>22414118
>Being proud of being stupid
I don't believe Catholicism preaches blatant ignorance

[Anonymous No.22414210]

>>22414087
i am that poster >>22413748
as i said we all have our cross to bear.

[Anonymous No.22414265]

>>22414202
Catholicism brought civilization upon the world though, Islam is just destructive.
>>22414210
It breaks my heart not being able to be Catholic because I love the Church, but I can't change who I am.

[Anonymous No.22414278]

>>22414265
>but I can't change who I am.
If you're baptized seriously just go to Confession and specifically admit this feeling of despair. I genuinely have seen small to major miracles in my own life by just going to the confessional with my despair (from total disposition change to just being able to deal with pain).

[Anonymous No.22414284]

>>22414008
You should confess this behavior. I'm telling you guys - confession is other worldly and in my view is more powerful than the Eucharist. I've seen a good friend of my exit a ten year depression from a single valid confession.

[Anonymous No.22414433]

>>22414278
>>22414284
Confession is not valid if it's not sincere, and I don't want to detroon right now. Maybe I could try explaining my feelings to the priest, just to talk and see what he has to say, but I honestly feel like I can't go back.

[Anonymous No.22414470]

>>22413668
>I notice you exclude all the other parts of the rosary in this
Did you want me to write out the entire anatomy of the rosary? I know the other parts including the Fatima prayer at the end of each mystery.
>and make no reference to the other daily Marian devotions.
Do please enlighten me and tell me these other daily Marian devotions that I didnt explicitly write out in my post

[Anonymous No.22414487]

>>22405632
pretty based

[Anonymous No.22414626]

So this is the power of Catholic philosophy, huh?

[Anonymous No.22414652]

>>22414433
Confess not wanting to detroon then as that's the sin not the fact you're trooning itself.

[Anonymous No.22414662]

I am about to read the Divine Comedy for the first time. What should I expect?

Also, I'm an atheist, what sort of impact will that have on how I interpret this book?

whats the deal with this guy anyway?

[Anonymous No.22414689]

>>22414652
If I confessed that I would be saying that from that point on I'll want to detrans, which would be a lie. Invalid.

[Anonymous No.22414709]

>>22414689
>If I confessed that I would be saying that from that point on I'll want to detrans,
No not true. You need to confess that you lack openness to a future of detransition and you would like to become open to that possibility. You're expressing certainty and uncertainty in contradiction.

[Jon Kolner No.22414728]

>>22414662
It's pretty much the greatest poem of all time. Just go and read it.

[Anonymous No.22414748]

>>22414709
You don't understand confession anon.

[Anonymous No.22414766]

>>22414470
>tell me these other daily Marian devotions that I didnt explicitly write out in my post
Tell me you don't even live in a Catholic country without telling me.

[Anonymous No.22414774]

>>22414748
I respectfully disagree. The trooning is a mortal sin but your attitude that you cannot have this opinion changed by grace is for more dangerous. It might be worthwhile asking a priest what would be a valid confession for you too.

[Anonymous No.22414793]

>>22414709
>>22414774
Not that anon but that really isn't how confession works. Everyone who confesses believes they are changed by grace of God, but promising to stop when you have no intention to stop is not a good confession guided by grace.

[Anonymous No.22414818]

>>22414793
>but promising to stop when you have no intention to stop is not a good confession guided by grace
You misunderstand again. Confessing doubting grace and the teaching of the Church is OP's primary sin and the transgenderism is a symptom of this. His confession would be valid to confess the doubt and express hope that grace would change his mind or open his mind and heal him. Confession isn't this robltic, "I sinned and now never again," It's trying to do better and trusting God's grace to get you there. You commit yourself to that change but to believe that you just need to have the intent to totally conform your life to the Church for a valid confession is not true as you can confess not having a strong conviction in that intent and then it's valid.

[Anonymous No.22414822]

>>22414774
>The trooning is a mortal sin
Exactly and we are supposed to confess all mortal sins during the sacrament, so it would be wrong to begin with. I would only make the priest annoyed lol.

I think I'll just continue to be a clandestine tranny catholic who goes to mass crossdressing and commits sacrilege by taking part in the eucharist, and just hope God can somehow forgive me supernaturally for being such a broken human being.

[Anonymous No.22414830]

>>22414818
This isn't Jesuitical it's curcial that you can also confess doubting yourself or lacking the intent itself. Lacking the intent is a sin that confession can heal if you bring it there. What's being described is basically confessing something you've repented for as something like >>22414793 this which implies that you can't just bear your soul and doubts about yourself to God.

[Anonymous No.22414838]

>>22414822
>I think I'll just continue to be a clandestine tranny catholic who goes to mass crossdressing and commits sacrilege by taking part in the eucharist, and just hope God can somehow forgive me supernaturally for being such a broken human being.
He assuredly will but you're missing the point - your primary mortal sin is doubting the efficacious grace of the Sacrament of penance in changing your opinion. Transgenderism is a symptom. Once you commit a mortal sin the rest of them still need to be confessed but you're basically cut off from a lot of grace and don't need to get angry at yourself. I also highly recommend you merely attend the liturgy.

[Anonymous No.22414853]

>>22414818
It's literally considered a sin and abuse of confession to confess things for which you have no intention to rectify. It's part of the process you have to directly say you will not do it again before you even get to naming sins.

[Anonymous No.22414859]

>>22414853
>It's literally considered a sin and abuse of confession to confess things for which you have no intention to rectify
Is there a sin that confession cannot heal? No. So, confess not having the intent.

[Anonymous No.22414869]

>>22414859
>Can a priest refuse to absolve you
Yes, and they should refuse you communion too if you're not choosing to rectify your actions.

[Anonymous No.22414882]

>>22414869
>Can a priest refuse to absolve you
There is an ENORMOUS difference between saying you intend not to change and confessing that you lack the conversion of heart and will. It isn't about your intent to change alone if you intend to confess that you lack to openness to be open to grace. I think the fundamental difference here is clear - you are saying delay getting a Sacrament and I am saying get it as soon as possible with what you can validly bring to the confessional to obtain it. One of these is efficacious and necessary the other is bot.

[Anonymous No.22414886]

>>22414882
>It isn't about your intent to change alone
>Catholicism will give me leeway on intent
Ahahahahahahahshahshshshshshsh no

[Anonymous No.22414898]

>>22414886
The fact is that intent is secondary in a confessional. I know not what I do and I cannot give proper witness of myself and the grace of even knowing I committed a mortal sin is through grace. Confessing that you know not what you do and know not what you will do because of despair is not invalid. This is ridiculously overly legalistic and not about grace or God's healing but about a narrow catechesis which relies on the assumption that simple definitions and words are perfectly understood by one's self.

[Anonymous No.22414901]

>>22414766
Not everyone had the blessing to grow up in such a nation, now go ahead Im still waiting for an answer.

[Anonymous No.22414910]

>>22414838
Okay, I might ask some other priest to see what he has to say about this, I still don't think he would accept a confession though.
>I also highly recommend you merely attend the liturgy.
It would be the right choice, but I'm probably wrong to be there to begin with.

[Anonymous No.22414923]

>>22414898
You're trying to shift the goal posts when the opening of every confession places the intent to change right next to God's grace. Even the hippy modern translations where you don't have to talk about how you'll burn in hell still have that part. Confession is a promise to change, and an expression of regret, in order to reconcile yourself with God's grace more fully. Without the intent to change and a genuine remorse, your confession doesn't count. It can count without a priest if you have those two elements, but without them, even if you get some laissez faire priest who doesn't want to turn anyone down from communion even if they're an actively practicing Hindu, it's an act of deception and blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.22414927]

>>22414910
>Okay, I might ask some other priest to see what he has to say about this, I still don't think he would accept a confession though.
These men have forgiven men for raping their own children - not having perfectly thought out intent and forethought is not going to stop God's mercy and love. Avoid this nagging womanly voice that refrains for all bad men, "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID," when Christ tells God on our behalf on His throne the exact opposite - we don't know what we do. Set up a meeting and let them know you might want it to be a confession as well if the discussion goes well.
>It would be the right choice, but I'm probably wrong to be there to begin with.
Nobody is the wrong choice and everybody is the right choice.

[Anonymous No.22414934]

>>22414923
>opening of every confession places the intent to change right next to God's grace.
The opening does not matter for the validity of the confession, only the words of Absolution do.

[Anonymous No.22414941]

>>22414934
>The opening does not matter for the validity of the confession
Yes it does, otherwise you only need the priest there, not the penitent. The penitent is making a contract with God in the presence of a priest, not with the priest. Wtaf?

[Anonymous No.22414948]

>>22414923
>Confession is a promise to change
>The Sacrament of Penance is God's gift to us so that any sin committed after Baptism can be forgiven.
-USCB
>1424 It is called the sacrament of confession, since the disclosure or confession of sins to a priest is an essential element of this sacrament. In a profound sense it is also a "confession" - acknowledgment and praise - of the holiness of God and of his mercy toward sinful man.
>It is called the sacrament of forgiveness, since by the priest's sacramental absolution God grants the penitent "pardon and peace."6
>It is called the sacrament of Reconciliation, because it imparts to the sinner the love of God who reconciles:
>"Be reconciled to God."7 He who lives by God's merciful love is ready to respond to the Lord's call: "Go; first be reconciled to your brother."8
Nope. Confession isn't ransoming your soul to be a good boy from now on it's a desperate cry for love from broken men in a fallen world.

[Anonymous No.22414955]

>>22414941
>Yes it does, otherwise you only need the priest there, not the penitent. The penitent is making a contract with God in the presence of a priest, not with the priest. Wtaf?
I have never said the opening and never been corrected. It does not matter. Also, the fact you view grace and forgiveness as a "contract" is very dangerous.

[Anonymous No.22414956]

>>22414948
>Among the penitent's acts, contrition occupies first place. Contrition is 'sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed together with the resolution not to sin again
The catechism says the place of the penitent quite clearly.

[Anonymous No.22414960]

>>22414955
>No act of contrition for penance
>Not even first confession
Lol that's not even hippy Catholic, that's some other religion.

[Anonymous No.22414963]

>>22414956
>1453 The contrition called "imperfect" (or "attrition") is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin's ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution.
>will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution.
There we go

[Anonymous No.22414972]

>>22414960
It seems you rejoice more in the separation of others from God's grace than in their union with them and respect your own reading than my priests' responses. I am not responding anymore because you're not advocating for souls but for a hyper legalistic and implied totally clear and knowable process around the mystery of grace and also pretending the Church prescribes phrases as necessary that it does not.

[Anonymous No.22414973]

>>22414963
That's just saying it's fine to confess shit because you believe it will send you to hell. It's not saying you can intend to keep doing it and make a full confession, just you can make a full confession if fear of hell is why you regret something you're going to try to stop.

[Anonymous No.22414985]

>>22414972
>why do we confess sins known and unknown
Because not knowing and giving false personal interpretations are both sins for member of the Catholic church. That's why if you forget it's Ash Wednesday and eat pork you have committed two sins, both the sin of not observing, and the sin of being ignorant of obligations.
>legalistic
Yes, ofc, what religion did you think we were talking about? We're the ones who invented devil's advocates and triple layered contracts with numerous sponsors.

[Anonymous No.22414988]

>>22414973
>can intend to keep doing it
Where can I measure this intent? Is it in the body of the sinner or the soul? Is it finite or infinite? Is it a true or false or is it a degree of number or of heat? Is it relative or absolute and is it temporal or not? Is it simple and explicit that anon wants to stop being a transgender or that he wants to be open to changing his perspective and thus the same thing? Is it rather that they should be a walking and talking redundancy to the Catechism pretending certainty in that state or admitting falleness? Is man simple and knowable to himself by himself or only because of grace? If it's grace then how can you demand grace for the vehicle of grace itself? Is that not tempting God to be legalistic and correct?

[Anonymous No.22414994]

>>22414988
>>can intend to keep doing it
>Where can I measure this intent
The penitent measures it within themselves. They're the only person who can know if they are sincere. You're acting like you should be allowed judge that in others and you really shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.22415005]

>>22414994
>The penitent measures it within themselves. They're the only person who can know if they are sincere.
To measure accurately is grace and to admit you cannot measure accurately is contrition of a different sort. You seem to want the humility of confession with the pride of perfect graceless self knowledge.

[Anonymous No.22415010]

>>22414927
Thanks. I don't think I can change though, my mental health is super fragile, I could only find some relief by pretending I'm a woman, I don't think I can go back. I wish Mary could intercede for me and then God could make a miracle and I'd be normal, but I feel like that's unlikely at this point.

I'll talk to a priest though, you convinced me.

[Anonymous No.22415013]

>>22415010
>I'll talk to a priest though, you convinced me.
I'll offer my mass for you today and pray for God to correct both of us for how we are both assuredly not perfectly correct >>22414994.

[Anonymous No.22415014]

>>22415005
>pride of perfect graceless self knowledge.
You know most penitential acts ask for forgiveness for sins unknowingly committed in Catholicism? Of course not, you're hoping you can fanfiction a religion more robustly than centuries of lawyers can

[Anonymous No.22415019]

>>22415010
>could only find some relief by pretending I'm a woman
This isn't actually a sin in Catholicism. Several
Pope's have given special dispensation for cross dressing.

[Anonymous No.22415023]

>>22415019
Anon really wants that anon to go to confession to tell lies so that Catholicism can be anti Joan of Arc in his retcon of medieval history.

[Anonymous No.22415044]

>>22415013
Ty, I'll pray for you as well
>>22415019
Sounds unlikely lol.

[Anonymous No.22415050]

>>22415044
>Sounds unlikely lol
>>22415023
>tell lies so that Catholicism can be anti Joan of Arc in his retcon of medieval history.
Yup

[Anonymous No.22415106]

>>22406733

Are we at that stage of Revelations already ?

I kinda got from the few coming years that we're coming at the red dragon and the woman clothed in the sun

[Anonymous No.22415120]

>>22415106
We're at this stage of the thread
https://youtu.be/AK4d9FNohTU

[Anonymous No.22415209]

>>22413842
>>22414008
>>22414265
>>22415044
>>22415010
You LITERALLY cannot make this up. A tranny freak going to the papist church and they don't even kick him out lol. Thanks for proving the papist church is full of sodomites such as yourself

How about some Biblical KJV advice for you? Kill yourself. You clearly have a reprobate mind and God gave you over. There's no salvation for you, you waste of oxygen. You're an ABOMINATION in the eyes of God. Stop molesting kindergartners FREAK.
>>22415005
>>22414994
Instead of discussing made up bullshit you could at least spend 5 seconds telling the tranny abomination to fuck off, but papists are so weak they can't even do that. Sad!

[Anonymous No.22415213]

>>22414210
>we all have our cross to bear
You just don't understand what it's like.
t.ranny

[Anonymous No.22415335]

>>22414774
>>22414822
I honestly don't see how just being a tranny is a mortal sin tbqh, unless you get operated on to an extent that you sterilize yourself.

He could try experimenting with other things that help relieve his dysphoria and that wouldn't even be sinning at all.

[Anonymous No.22415407]

>>22414901
>>22414766
Well Im still waiting, what are these daily marian devotions?

[Anonymous No.22415409]

>>22415209
No one who is still living, even papists and crossdressing sodomites, are beyond God's power to save.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY5G_NBZW6U

>>22415335
All sins are mortal, see pic related for the verses. The Roman Catholic church denies that to push the lie of purgatory and indulgences.

[Anonymous No.22415435]

>>22415209
>steven anderson
I know this is a false flagging jew but protestants never fail to amuse me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwwfCpvXnc

[Anonymous No.22415670]

>>22415435
>VaticanCatholic
Those guys are schizo sedes who tell people to not go to mass anywhere and larp that their double-wide trailer is a "monastery"

[Anonymous No.22415752]

I went to church with my parents for Wednesday night supper yesterday. I talked to the pastor about the Illuminati and the Freemasons. He didn't know that much about it but I explained how they are Luciferian gnostics and he agreed that gnosticism is against the Bible.
Also we're not Catholics if you're wondering. We are Baptists.

[Anonymous No.22415876]

>>22413696
I find praying a daily Rosary helps.

I was actually raised Catholic but I was a pretty normie, non-hardcore Catholic for most of my childhood.

Two things happened to intensify my faith:

1. I went to undergrad at a school that had Great Books classes, and took a class on Medieval Great Books. As you might imagine, much of what we read was Catholic: Bonaventure, Aquinas, Dante, Catherine of Siena. It was a side of my religion I'd never experienced before since I went to public school and the Church is generally painted in a negative light there. Learning that my religion was such a powerful source of philosophy and art made me much more interested and engaged with it than I had been growing up.

2. Things really intensified a few years later when I started to pray the Rosary every day. I did it on the advice of my mother, who is very Catholic; she said that Our Lady of Fatima requested that the Rosary be prayed every day. So I started to pray the Rosary every day, and that's when my devotion kicked into overdrive. That's when I became particularly intense in my faith, to the point that I think I would be willing to be killed rather than forsake Christ or the Church.

There's just something about the Rosary, at least for me. It really is supernatural, in the effect it has had on me. Maybe it will have the effect on the rest of you, too.

[Anonymous No.22416397]

A few thoughts

I was nominally raised Catholic but not seriously. After my confirmation we pretty much stopped going to Church and it fell away from my life. I always "believed" that God existed but I didn't truly believe because I didn't act on it. I led a pretty atheistic life from age 13-34. This hedonistic lifestyle was fun for a while, but eventually the cracks started to show and by my 30s I was having marriage trouble, anxiety, depression, alcohol abuse, etc. Going down a dark path.

I started to dig myself out of the hole by believing that, deep inside, I was a good person and that my actions needed to match my being. I stopped drinking and cleaned my life up. I then started to discover my faith, but I still wasn't on the Catholic track. But then my wife and I had to make a decision about whether to do IVF or not. We were going to do it (infertility issues), but I started getting anxious and my conscious was telling me "no." It was really hard to do but I had to dig deep and search my soul and my conscious to find the right thing to do. My wife basically hated me for it, but I said "no" to IVF based on my moral convictions. It actually threatened to blow our marriage up because having kids is that important to her. But I submitted to God and said "even if she leaves me, I have to do what is right and God will work it out." I prayed a lot and felt God enter my heart, and I actually had a divine experience while praying that I can barely describe. I felt like I was lifted up and there was a spiritual brightness so bright that I couldn't look directly at it - like the sun. It filled me with awe and fear and I felt like I was being lifted up. That sealed it.

I went to Confession for the first time in 20+ years and it was amazing. I felt like a new person. Since then I have gone to Mass every week and am devout. I am devouring Catholic literature and videos. I love it. And guess what? My marriage is stronger than ever and my wife is doing RCIA

I have to say bros, Christ is real. And I see the value of baptism and confirmation - it plants the seed of salvation in your heart so that one day, when you are open to it, God will be there.

>>22415876

I have reached the point where I have, in large part, detached from my own desires. Not completely but a lot. I recognize that pride is the worst sin. Always thinking about "me me me" and what I want is sinful and leads to pain and suffering. I try to see things from God's POV. Whatever happens is part of His plan.

>no alcohol in 2.5+ years
>stopped masturbating
>stopped consciously swearing, being vulgar, etc.

Of course I am not perfect and still slip up and sin, but I think what God wants from us is an honest effort to live up to an ideal of holiness. He does not expect perfection, but the inability to perfect doesn't give us license to stop making a serious effort (cough, Protestants).

Anyways, that's my blogpost, thanks for reading.

[Anonymous No.22416469]

>>22416397
>I recognize that pride is the worst sin. Always thinking about "me me me" and what I want is sinful and leads to pain and suffering.

[Anonymous No.22416475]

>>22407009
Paradise lost was written by a protestant

[Anonymous No.22416482]

Thoroughly enjoyed this. It's sad that he never finished the whole thing before he died though.

[Anonymous No.22416731]

>>22416482
I heard Aquinas wrote a critique of Islam but it has never been found

[Anonymous No.22417186]

>>22415407
m8 he could be talking about anything from a blue scapular for your whore mother to the angelus. angelus is probably the main one that anon is thinking about because they keep bringing up joyful mysteries and angelus is how you slip those past days where purple is a big thing and most catholic countries broadcast it everyday. thinking the rosary is peak marianism is fucking crazy tho and that's just from my historically catholic country where nobody goes to mass much. mfs have statues in their front yard and churches sound off bells for the virgin. and in may good luck not running into a parade if you have to drive anywhere. rosary is so far down the list of marian devotion idk why you all are acting like it's a marian thing.
i mean i guess if you don't do angelus and don't do stations and do nothing else involved in the church besides mass and daily rosaries, you are more marian than if you only went to mass, but the bar on what makes someone devoted to our lady is so far above daily rosary i think you might have to buy the blue scapular and visit lourdes to be in the same weight category as a seven year old girl for marianism.

[Anonymous No.22417201]

>>22417186
>angelus
He could have been talking about the Magnificat too, but if he doesn't say either Angelus, I don't know if he would do vespers.

[Anonymous No.22417215]

>>22413696
Spending time in quiet, contemplative prayer and reading Scripture and good books such as Imitation of Christ.
>IT IS good for us to have trials and troubles at times, for they often remind us that we are on probation and ought not to hope in any worldly thing. It is good for us sometimes to suffer contradiction, to be misjudged by men even though we do well and mean well. These things help us to be humble and shield us from vainglory. When to all outward appearances men give us no credit, when they do not think well of us, then we are more inclined to seek God Who sees our hearts. Therefore, a man ought to root himself so firmly in God that he will not need the consolations of men.
>When a man of good will is afflicted, tempted, and tormented by evil thoughts, he realizes clearly that his greatest need is God, without Whom he can do no good. Saddened by his miseries and sufferings, he laments and prays. He wearies of living longer and wishes for death that he might be dissolved and be with Christ. Then he understands fully that perfect security and complete peace cannot be found on earth.

[Anonymous No.22417226]

>>22417201
idk a lot of people say or sing the magnificat without bothering to attend vespers so yeah it could be lots of shit including being in a lay society or who tf knows

[Anonymous No.22417232]

>>22417215

Beautiful. That's from Imitation of Christ?

[Anonymous No.22417266]

>>22406953
I don't agree with you at all, but I do think it's a shame that Lutherans are called Lutherans. They should not style themselves under the name of a man. You will not find any "Such-and-Such Calvinist Church" for example, because they call themselves Reformed, Presbyterian, etc. "Lutheran" should just be a colloquial term like "Calvinist" is rather than an official title for themselves. Their theology doesn't begin and end with Luther anyways, they have their own theological tradition that continued after him, just as on the Reformed side. That being said, I don't know what they should call themselves.

[Anonymous No.22417277]

>>22417266
>Presbyterian
You mean Knoxians? This is a weird take, because they all styled themselves after the lead men in the Reformation.

[Anonymous No.22417283]

>>22417277
They certainly do not do such a thing today. The term Calvinist is used but not in any official manner. I have never heard a single person call themselves a "Knoxian." The two primary branches are Presbyterians (who trace to Scotland and England) and Reformed (who trace to the Continent). The differences are minimal, they utilize each others confessions of faith and catechisms, and you will find churches styled with both titles at the same time.

[Anonymous No.22417375]

>>22417283
Do you mean Zwingli for reformed?

[Anonymous No.22417431]

>>22416397
does your wife also participate in all of the religious things you took up? Is there any issues because of being potentially of a different faith? I was raised catholic myself like most in western society, my parents are not together and those in family do not always share the same values it seems.

[Anonymous No.22417438]

>>22412292
It was a bad post because it was bad logic. He probably saw some dog pile on Twitter and decided all athiests do X.
I

[Anonymous No.22417471]

>>22417431

She goes to Mass with me but doesn't take Communion. At first she was offended but now I think she's starting to understand. She thought the Catholic Church was oppressive but now she is enjoying the big community aspect of it.

I am deep into theology and philosophy and she isn't, so she is not a super devout person like me, but that's fine, everyone is on their own path.

She was Methodist and is doing RCIA to become Catholic. I am hoping she will have a revelatory experience to really evangelize her faith.

[Anonymous No.22417479]

>>22417471
Interesting, thank you for sharing. If you don't feel comfortable answering then don't, but I'm just curious how this works out on earth. Is it possible that your faith will put you into salvation, but her not having it could condemn her? Would it truly be heaven if you're without your spouse in the afterlife? I've been thinking about these things a lot recently and I'm not sure why, but it's truly taking a toll on me mentally.

[Anonymous No.22417514]

>>22417479
>Is it possible that your faith will put you into salvation, but her not having it could condemn her?
Not him, but the way it works in Catholicism is every human has a basic sense of right and wrong which happens about six years old. If you never hear of Catholicism but try to do what you think is good most of the time you're really likely to get into heaven. But if you're Catholic, you're given all the ins and outs of possible perfection, and not striving for perfection and doing all the extra rituals makes you a bad person because you had the informed choice and didn't take it. It's why Catholics often joke about there being no good Catholics. By joining up you risk more because you have more chances to knowingly fail not just fail. So after RCIA his gf would be making the informed choice to turn from God if she did. Before it, she could just be a good person who didn't know better.

[Anonymous No.22417519]

>>22417479

It's not up to me. Salvation is not in our control. It doesn't matter what I want. I fully trust that whatever happens will be what God wants, and what God wants is good. Our anxieties and stresses come from our attachments. The key is letting go.

It's difficult for big things, but necessary. God comes first. So what if I want my wife to be saved? It's not up to me. I trust in God.

[Anonymous No.22417538]

>>22417514

Yes true. It's almost like a trap, but there is no escaping it. You can't avoid what's in your heart. You can't feign ignorance or fake piety.

For instance, one could do RCIA but still not really understand or believe. One could then leave the faith under a complete misunderstanding. That's very different from knowing and understanding, truly, and still turning your back on God. Ultimately what matters is not whether you have your RCIA certificate, but whether you truly know and believe in your heart. If you truly know but turn your back anyways, then you're set up for eternal separation (hell). If you did the classes but never "got it" then you're still stumble around in the dark and God will probably show you more mercy (but maybe not, no one can know).

I think blasphemy is the worst because that means deliberately turning your back on a God that you know.

[Anonymous No.22417539]

>>22417514
>>22417519
well put, thanks for the information anons. Have a nice weekend. (:

[Anonymous No.22417563]

>>22417539

God bless. Any time you are worrying about your own worries, just realize that worrying is an inherently prideful and selfish act. But don't beat yourself up over it. Put it in God's hands. Basically, try to drop your egocentric view of life and try to look at things from God's perspective. But we can never fully know God's perspective, or even a tiny part of it, so that's where we need humility to realize that we simply don't know what is good and what is bad. All we can do is submit.

[Anonymous No.22417570]

>>22417538
Yeah, only God can really tell and He could always pull a
>All you losers get in we're going shopping
and forgive even those who still turn from Him. But to be honest, I think God's doing people who fervently don't want to believe a solid by allowing them the choice of nothing forever, so I can see why He might let some people turn too because they would be happier with that than communion with the saints and angels.
As you can probably see, I don't really have a blanket problem with blasphemy because I think it's only really things which turn you from God's grace that get you the worst category. Some blasphemy is bad, but things like lack of charity could easily be worse in some cases. Most humans at least want the strength to show grace, so if they occasionally take His Name in vain, He's not really going to hold it against them. But if you never wanted something good for someone else, that might be a problem.

[Anonymous No.22417578]

>>22417519
>Our anxieties and stresses come from our attachments. The key is letting go.
This sounds more like apathy
And also Buddhism

>>22417563
>just realize that worrying is an inherently prideful and selfish act.
Yes worrying, even about others is the definition of pride and selfishness

[Anonymous No.22417586]

>>22417570

Yeah agreed, but I mean blasphemy in the sense of complete anti-truth, not just using His name in vain.

Like saying "**** you G*d" not just as an expression, but fully understanding God and meaning it as applied to God as Truth.

[Anonymous No.22417588]

>>22417578

Not apathy. We have a duty to do our best. It's the paradox of doing our best while letting go. A very tricky line to walk.

[Anonymous No.22417611]

>>22417588
It kinda is, because by this logic asceticism is the best good thing anyone can do, which ultimately means the extinction of Humanity

[Anonymous No.22417625]

>>22417611

No because we should still enjoy things but only insofar as we enjoy them in the name of God, because it is what God wants, not what we want. I struggled with this too until I realized that God wants us to be happy and to use our bodies for pleasure, but in the correct way.

[Anonymous No.22417663]

>>22417625
but anon, when you love something you create an attachment to it
even the love of God is itself an attachment

and when you worry about someone else, then by definition you are are not being prideful or selfish

[Anonymous No.22417673]

>>22417663

When you worry about someone else, you should worry about them for their sake, but trust that whatever happens will be for the best. God has it all worked out.

Don't love anything more than God. Not even yourself. Even if God decides to throw you into hell, you should say "thank you sir."

You can enjoy things, but don't become attached to them.

Maybe give me some fact patterns because this is all very abstract.

[Anonymous No.22417712]

>>22415752
bump desu

[Anonymous No.22417736]

>>22417673
Anon that's not "letting go" of attachments and it's certaintly nothing abstract or paradoxical
That's just he old adage of "don't let your passions govern you"
Or more simply don't hold yourself and your attachments above what's reasonable and morally right/good (i.e. God) - basically the 1st Commandement

>You can enjoy things, but don't become attached to them.
This is literally Buddhism (i.e. "The Middle Way")
When you love something, then by definition you have an attachment to it

[Anonymous No.22417818]

>>22417736

Yeah. I don't think we disagree. What are we even talking about?

[Anonymous No.22417822]

r8 my bookshelf. Anyone read any of these more obscure titles? Picked them up for free?

[Anonymous No.22417824]

>>22417822
>Catholicism for dummies
redundant

[Anonymous No.22417834]

>>22417824

Why?

[Anonymous No.22417838]

>>22417834
case in point

[Anonymous No.22417968]

>>22417818
We're just making friendly chat :)

CAPTCH: PGR0WA
what does it mean?

[Anonymous No.22417979]

>>22417824

[Anonymous No.22418044]

>>22417838

I want to hear you explain the premise of the joke.

[Anonymous No.22418183]

>>22417232
Sorry for responding so many hours later, was toiling away at work.
Yes, that's from Imitation. It's a lovely book, granted you have the humility to not be offended by its humbling words. Its language has oft been offensive to the spirits of those who lack in humility and are not willing to develop in it.

[Anonymous No.22418186]

>>22418183

Thanks. What's the best version/translation?

[Anonymous No.22418231]

>>22417822
Cringe

[Anonymous No.22418256]

>>22418186
What I copied was the translation available on CCEL.org which seems alright, the physical copy I have (which I quite like the translation of and art included with) is titled "My Imitation of Christ" published by the Confraternity of Precious Blood.

[Anonymous No.22418699]

>>22418256

Cool thank you

[Anonymous No.22418722]

>>22418231

r/atheist level critique. If you're genuinely curious, then you should know that free will is necessary for love, but also carries the possibility of turning away from God.

[Anonymous No.22418731]

>>22405615
Ah, the Summa of the Summa, a veritable pinnacle of scholastic inquiry within the annals of Catholic literature. Its provenance within the broader opus of Thomas Aquinas attests to the luminary's intellectual prowess and his unwavering dedication to synthesizing theological tenets with the dialectical rigor of Aristotelian philosophy. The Summa Theologiae, from which this compendium derives, stands as a magnum opus of systematic theology, a Herculean endeavor that seeks to fathom the intricacies of the divine and human existence.

Aquinas's perspicacious elucidation of matters both terrestrial and celestial embarks upon a profound voyage, one that embraces the vast terrain of metaphysics, ethics, and soteriology. His scholastic method, replete with meticulous disputation and intricate argumentation, endows the Summa with an enduring allure for seekers of theological wisdom.

As one delves into the labyrinthine corridors of Aquinas's thought, one cannot help but be ensnared by his astute reasoning and the sublime elegance with which he navigates the often turbulent seas of faith and reason. It stands as a testament to the harmonious marriage of faith and intellect, an exemplar of the rich tradition of Catholic literature that seeks to bridge the chasm between the ineffable mysteries of divinity and the inquisitive yearnings of the human intellect.

[Anonymous No.22418742]

>>22418722
That doesn't answer why God gets mad at his own program though. He designed the game then gets mad when elements of the game happen.

[Anonymous No.22418788]

>>22418742

You don't have a proper conception of God and you don't understand free will, apparently.

[Anonymous No.22418792]

>>22418788
>2deep4u
do better

[Anonymous No.22418801]

>>22418788
>"God is, like.. uhh, too mysterious and you just don't understand... maaaaan"
What's lower than reddit tier? Because whatever it is, you've found it

[Anonymous No.22419511]

>>22418792
>>22418801

I already told you the answer. Sorry you can't or won't comprehend it.

[Anonymous No.22419518]

im kinda sick of Aquinas being the poster boy for Catholic Intellectualism

[Anonymous No.22420031]

bump for the One True Faith

[Anonymous No.22420279]

>>22419518
I'm the same way tbqh, Aquinas is just dry Aristotelianism when most of the actual intellectual substance of Christianity emerged against the weirdness of late-Classical Neoplatonism.

[Anonymous No.22420334]

>>22419511
Imagine saying "you don't have a proper conception of God" and then strutting around like you proved your point. You are an embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.22421308]

>>22420334

Well he doesn't. You can't conceive of God as a being that exists like us. God IS being. God is not on the same plane of existence as our universe.

[Anonymous No.22422107]

>>22420279

What else is there? In particular, do any others address metaphysics and how souls/angels/etc work?

[Anonymous No.22422156]

lads, I just found out Umberto Eco is an atheist :(

[Anonymous No.22422292]

>>22421308
If that is true, you literally can't say anything about God. Are you claiming you have information about other planes of existence? Even the word "God", it carries the baggage of personhood, a being. How could you possibly claim to know there is such a being, or anything about him, or whether he actually "IS" or not? It's all just made up and thus it varies greatly between each person whose particular consciousness has manipulated this mysterious gap in knowledge to whatever purpose soothes the psychological agitation therein. This is nothing more than a cope against anxiety, not a serious claim meant to advance knowledge. In other words, there is no basis on which to claim any fact about "God". Furthermore, if you choose to strip "God" of too many characteristics, you could simply substitute a phrase like "the universe simply "IS"", or "all of existence and non-existence simply "IS"". It's meaningless gibberish where the goal is to be as obscure as possible in order to serve the previously mentioned role of mental sleight of hand, to purposely be a mystery and thus a convenient place to project mental needs onto. This is why, as Freud rightly pointed out, God is often called "The Heavenly Father", literally sky daddy. People have a deep need, often left over from childhood, for a protective, powerful father figure that is both loving and strict in exacting his authority. It seems to me you have not yet been able to rise above these projections and are, instead, stuck firmly within them.

[Anonymous No.22422703]

>>22422292
yea,its not like God the father and Son and Holy Spirit ever interacted with mankind.

[Anonymous No.22422878]

>>22405615
based

[Anonymous No.22423195]

>>22412185
>lower abuse rates than gen pop even at the height of the abuse half a century ago
Debatable, but the problem is not entirely to do with the fact of paedophilia as the Church’s efforts to cover it up, often by moving offenders on to other parishes - which the Church itself has apologised for, so it cannot be denied
>same shit exists in the Orthodox Churches but they never get shit for it.
Yes they do, you mongoloid, the Russian Orthodox and Serbian Orthodox churches are well known for corruption, and the collaboration of Greek and Russian churches with dictatorships is widely recognised. The reason why you think that they don’t get shit is almost certainly because you live in a western country where the Catholic Church and its critics are more socially and culturally import

[Anonymous No.22423206]

>>22417822
None of these are obscure.

[Anonymous No.22423220]

>>22423195
If the people who care about corruption actually cared about corruption they'd be discussing it happening in the Orthodox Churches now rather than bringing up shit the Catholic Church did in Spain or wherever the fuck a century ago

It isn't actually about an honest discussion of corruption but an attempt to attack Catholicism in particular any way possible.

[Anonymous No.22423270]

>>22423220
tell us whats going on in the Orthodox church then

[Anonymous No.22424382]

>>22422292

Seems to me you have not read and understoond Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.22424838]

>>22405615
>The Blessed in the Kingdom of Heaven Will See the Punishments of the Damned So That Their Bliss May Be More Delightful to Them
best quote in the book

[Anonymous No.22425118]

>>22422703
Have they interacted with you or have you just heard about them interacting with people?
>>22424382
In what way?

[Anonymous No.22425141]

>>22419518
>>22420279
Now that he's a saint we really need to promote John Henry Newman more. Newman is /lit/ as fuck, the man even wrote poetry. Pretty good poetry too. And he's a formidable thinker. I think he's going to be the next Doctor of the Church. Newman I think can help us navigate Modernity while still allowing the Church to remain timeless.

[Anonymous No.22425163]

>>22425118
>Have they interacted with you
you wouldnt believe me if i told you the truth.

[Anonymous No.22425457]

>>22425141

Essential readings and versions? I haven't read any of him.

[Anonymous No.22425460]

>>22425118

The fact that you think we can say nothing about God. That's false. We can not know things univocally or equivocally about God but can we know things analogically.

[Anonymous No.22425740]

>>22405743
Benson has more, especially pic related
>Callista by St. John Henry Newman
>Fabiola by Cardinal Nicholas Wiseman
>En Route, The Cathedral, The Oblate by Joris-Karl Huysmans

[Anonymous No.22425775]

>>22425457
Start with Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1865), Development of Christian Doctrine is also essential

https://www.newmanreader.org/works/index.html

[Anonymous No.22425911]

>>22425775

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.22425933]

>>22407156
>first mention of Bible is by a Protestant
>>22410561
>second mention of Bible is by a sinner with hate and murder in their heart

[Anonymous No.22425943]

>>22411765
All you can do is quote a verse, but not explain how it supports any of your doctrines and dogmas, especially when the verse doesn't even say what you claim it does. Plus you're using garbage Roman Catholic translations that distort, add to, and remove from God's Word to keep your traditions of men like necromancy.

>>22411966
Necromancy is talking to the dead. The dead are resting in the graves until the resurrection of the righteous and of the wicked, which is in the future.
>John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
>John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

[Anonymous No.22426043]

>>22405615
http://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/

Imitatio is the best book besides the Bible in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.22426311]

>>22410570
>René Guénon
peak schizo.

[Anonymous No.22426409]

>>22413696
I read leftist/atheist media, and immediatly think It's better to not be like them.

[Anonymous No.22427321]

whats yall take on the Diamond Brothers

[Anonymous No.22427880]

>>22423270
Patriarch Kirill is basically using his position to soapbox for Russia's war that almost no other Christians in the world see as just. The ROC is fine with basically being entirely in lockstep with Putin and the vestiges of the antitheist Soviets.

[Anonymous No.22427945]

>>22405710
Ah, I have a book by him. Good stuff.
>>22405615
A great one I found was "My Life With Thomas Aquinas"
I guess it's supposed to be a collection of artilces written for different volumes of a magazine that was around in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and onward.
Very relevant well written and very insightful on modern topics.

[Anonymous No.22427957]

>>22406748
As a Catholic, I can affirm this is the correct view. They actually talked about this at mass today.

[Anonymous No.22428019]

>>22426043

Favorite version?

[Anonymous No.22428482]

Tomorrow is Augustine's feast day, it's pretty exciting. I almost always forget it but I remembered it this year. Augustine is my favorite major Catholic thinker. I like him even more than Aquinas. He speaks to me on some greater level that Aquinas does not.

[Anonymous No.22428510]

Catholics run rapefugee criminal smuggling operations like Caritas, including at all the passthrough points, and have been actively anti-European since the 1940s so I will never consider them anything more than Evil.

[Anonymous No.22428570]

>>22428510
>Caritas
Now you're just lying

[Anonymous No.22428575]

>>22417822
Is that translation better than the NASB version?

[Anonymous No.22428590]

>>22428570
https://www.caritas.org/caritas-programmes-for-migrants/
>Caritas migrant house in Gao welcomes many migrants who are leaving Africa for Europe
>Caritas is also helping the 42,000 asylum seekers trapped on the five hotspots on the Greek islands.
>Caritas works at the institutional level raising its voice and calling on governments and the international community to protect the rights of people on the move.
>The confederation called for mechanisms to be put in place to protect the rights and dignity of migrants along their journey, to ensure safe and legal migration routes
They've been doing this evil shit for nearly 80 years now. Always only targeted against Europe.

[Anonymous No.22428648]

>>22428575
The Reviled Substandard Perversion? It's about the same as the NASB.

[Anonymous No.22429022]

>>22428482
I love Augustine more than any other theological figure, but I still don't know how to honestly cope with that one page in the Confessions where he talks about how he was about to marry the 12 year old.

I know in-context it was an arranged marriage Monica was trying to put him into, and it didn't actually happen, but the way he briefly talks about it makes it sound like he would have actually fucked the 12 year old had it happened. If I'm being honest about it it gives off creepy vibes and is kind of a stain on the rest of Augustine's work, which is near-flawless.

[Anonymous No.22429195]

how do u even celebrate a feast day

[Anonymous No.22429210]

>>22429195
You could go to Mass.

[Anonymous No.22429258]

>>22428648
The RSV2CE is a much better than the regular RSV.

[Anonymous No.22429273]

>>22428510
The only anti-Europeans are the Europeans themselves who habitually spit in God's face and don't even have kids, when the Pope himself constantly tells them to have more kids and writes volumes on the importance of family.

[Anonymous No.22429454]

>>22429273
>the pope himself
The guy who tells us to take in rapefugees and allow ourselves to be replaced?
Go fuck yourself.
>j-just have kids
>ignore that the immigration rate still means we would be replaced even if we had 10+ kids each

[Anonymous No.22429476]

>>22407971
muhhhh cathokcis are so meanie to my heretical religion reeeee

[Anonymous No.22429492]

>>22405615
Adversus Judaeos by Saint John Chrysostom

[Anonymous No.22429511]

>>22410570
Gnostic faggots opening the gates of degeneracy with the mask of philosophy, occultist faggots serving the jews in fine.

[Anonymous No.22429523]

>>22429454
They're not all "rapefugees". You have /pol/ brainrot. If you show no hospitality to people in need as a rule, dismiss the wisdom of building your own families and communities, and even deprive your own spiritual well being by denying the true Church, there's not much to be done for you. You've built yourself up to be the most useless ally possible, in this matter.

[Anonymous No.22429531]

>>22407632
I get strong vibes of pantheism from Christianity sometimes. The kingdom of heaven is within you, your body is a temple of the holy Spirit, and now the quote in the picture you posted. Is true Christianity the recognition of the collective soul? Is that the esoteric meaning that was lost through the ages?

[Anonymous No.22429534]

>>22411244
Reformed have an historical continuity in freemasonery.

[Anonymous No.22429539]

>>22429523
Obviously they're not all rapists, but most of the rape in certain European countries is done by non-natives. You're dishonest and you're in denial of the situation.

[Anonymous No.22429586]

>>22429523
>They're not all "rapefugees".
They are all rapefugees who have no business in Europe whatsoever.
>f you show no hospitality to people in need as a rule
They are not in need and you seek to parasite off us through them.
Kill yourself.
>there's not much to be done for you.
He says as he's actively stabbing us in the back with the dagger he forged out of migrants.

You are satan's workers on this earth and you will burn in hell.

[Anonymous No.22429763]

>>22429531

God sustains all existence. So in that sense you are a part of God, but only as a creation.

I do believe that "people, don't have ideas, ideas have people," though. Jesus introduced a set of ideas that spread like a contagion. Just like Satan introduced sinful ideas to Eve that also spread and were passed down like a contagion.

This is my rudimentary idea though and I haven't fleshed it out.

[Anonymous No.22430915]

bump

[Anonymous No.22431016]

>>22429531
more accurately, i think the term you're looking for would be panentheism.
you may be correct in a sense, but i think your interpretation (as well as others' that come to a similar conclusion) seems a bit skewed. however, certain viewpoints within kabbalah and even christian mysticism would likely agree with it to some degree, as i remember hearing a kabbalist talk about "finding god" within each person through their actions (namely, their love/compassion/kindness, etc.).
another quote worth looking at is colossians 3:11

[Anonymous No.22431110]

>>22405615
SUMMA LUMMA DUMMA LUMMA YOU ASSUMIN IM A HUMAN

[Anonymous No.22431241]

>>22410391
Probably not, largely because Christian metaphysics are incompatible with Traditionalism and because Guenon got filtered so hard by Christianity that he declared it no longer had a valid initiatic esoteric rite, leading his followers to assume the same.

[Anonymous No.22431248]

What would catholic theology have to say about me, within the holy and sanctified union of matrimony, eating my wife's ass?

[Anonymous No.22431255]

>>22407950
I take it that Ephasus 2 should also be followed

[Anonymous No.22431825]

>>22431248
A conservative moral theologian would say it's not allowed because it would be a non-procreative sexual act. However, I honestly think you can make an argument that if you treat your entire sexual activity with your wife as a single ordeal that ends in coom-in-vagina sex, you could argue that other events leading up to it like ass-eating would still be part of the approved overall deal. I could be wrong on that, but I also don't see how it would be any more of a distortion to moral theology than the Church essentially being okay with usury now, which it basically is.

[Anonymous No.22431863]

>>22429022
Also having looked it up more I think there's a better argument, but not a fully convincing one, that Augustine would have continued fucking his concubine instead of the 12 year old had he actually gone through with the marriage.

Chadwick's translation of the Confessions phrases the sentence about him having the concubine he's fucking before the marriage worded in a way that it would happen "until" he comes into marriage, but the words for until aren't literally in the Latin text. The most literal translation of the phrase "meae satellitio perdurantis consuetudinis" would describe Augustine's coomerism as a "lasting habit INTO marriage and not UNTIL" marriage. Which is implying he'd be fucking the hoe and not the kid. It's still not conclusive, but it's textually not as damning as I was scared it might have been.

Chadwick's translation seems to obscure this because I imagine he was just thinking about clarity from Latin into English and not the implications of it. The footnotes to the Oxford edition of Chadwick's translation point out that the girl would have been 12, but I don't know if Chadwick himself was well-versed enough in Latin to know this based on Roman custom.

Am I getting too autistically hung up on this?

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>>22431248

It's fine if it's part of sex that ends in vaginal creampie.

How'd your wife get into that?