/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22387033]

What are some other instances of schizoposts mistakenly getting published as literature?

[Anonymous No.22387034]

>>22387033

[Anonymous No.22387036]

>>22387034
Never read it but why does everyone say this?

[Anonymous No.22387044]

>>22387033
P. K. Dick and Burroughs were unironic lunatics talking to ghosts
>>22387036
There's nothing schizophrenic about McCarthy, the zoomer crowd who discovered his books via gayming grifters is just dumbfounded by the ornate prose and and liberal use of "nigger".

[Anonymous No.22387065]

>>22387044
Valis was fucking dumb ngl

[Anonymous No.22387070]

>>22387065
Scanner Darkly is a genuine work of art, if only the prose was a bit more sophisticated

[Anonymous No.22387219]

>>22387044
Blood meridian becomes rather boring after the 20th description of a scalping. All the pretty horses was much superior.

[Anonymous No.22387599]

>>22387033
The wake is lit maybe it is even the endgame of all lit. Check out finwake

[Anonymous No.22387628]

>>22387033
>thinks joyce just sat at a desk and wrote what was on his mind
you are unironically and ironically ngmi buddy =(

[Anonymous No.22388132]

Can i hijack thread to ask something: is there a readers guide for Ulysses? As in annotations to understand references. It's filtering me hard desu

[Anonymous No.22388148]

>>22388132
people say new bloomsday book is the best

[Anonymous No.22388150]

>>22388132
There are several.

BUT I didn't use any on my first read, I just used a combination of wikipedia and wiktionary

[Anonymous No.22388160]

>>22388132
- Ulysses Annotated (Gifford)
- https://www.ulyssesguide.com/1-telemachus
~ ReJoyce (Frank Delaney podcast)

[Anonymous No.22388186]

>>22387033

[Anonymous No.22388203]

>>22388148
who

>>22388150
there are only a few, elite, good ones

>>22388160
>ReJoyce
p good (when used with other sources) but stops halfway (delaney died)

[Anonymous No.22388209]

>>22388203
https://www.joyceproject.com/#
:)

[Anonymous No.22388218]

>>22388203
the new Bloomsday Book by Harry Blamire
https://www.bloomsandbarnacles.com/blog/2018/11/05/5-reading-guides-for-james-joyces-ulysses

[Anonymous No.22388247]

>>22388148
>>22388150
>>22388160
Thank yall for the answers. I was thinking more of something along the lines of page-by-page annotations, like the pynchon-wiki has on pynchons books, idk if you are familiar with that.

[Anonymous No.22388256]

>>22388247
Like this>>22388209 ?
Also Gifford is paginated I think

[Anonymous No.22388305]

>>22387034
I love McCarthy but he’s what I imagine a self described “edgy” teenager would say is their favorite author. Good book but it’s fanbase ruins it

[Anonymous No.22388640]

>>22387033
Why the fuck is this book still copyrighted until 2040?

[Anonymous No.22388647]

>>22388640
100 years after author's death.

[Anonymous No.22388673]

>>22387033
the fact that this took 17 years to write is fucking insane. and its such a massive fucking tome.

[Anonymous No.22388687]

>>22388673
He wrote it over the course of 17 years. It did not take 17 years to write lol

[Anonymous No.22388703]

>>22388647
Since when? Last time I checked, it was 75. Also, the rest of his corpus is already in public domain.

[Anonymous No.22388752]

>>22388703
All works published before 1928 are in the public domain. Different rules apply to those published after that.

[Anonymous No.22388799]

Finnegans Wake is public domain, hence the shitty wordsworth edition

[Anonymous No.22388819]

>>22388799
In the UK, maybe. In Burgerland however...

[Anonymous No.22390059]

>>22387033

"Meatphysics" by Jake Chapman is a book-length shitpost which is intended as a kind of companion piece for the edgy and nihilistic art of the British brother-artists Jake and Dinos Chapman. It runs about 250 (un-numbered) pages. I select one brief, representative fragment at random:

"

ALL WRITINGthe Thanotropic motor of catastrophic ejaculation CORRUPTED :ALL CORRUPTED MEATPHYSICS:Meatphysics (word docs):Meatphysics ALL WRITING CORRUPTED :ALL CORRUPTED MEATPHYSICS:Meatphysics and algorithmic solution to the problem of 'rigid utility' (word docs):Meatp(word docs):Meatphysics 1 Hannibal Lector<Macintos algorithmic solution to the problem of 'rigid utility'h HD:Temporary Items:AutoRecovery save of corrupted Meatphysic Hannibal Lector...

"

[Anonymous No.22390064]

>>22388305
You don't love McCarthy then. There is absolutely nothing edgy about McCarthy. Have you even read him?

[Anonymous No.22390068]

>>22390064
BM is edgy, come on now. CoD is nihilistic.

[Anonymous No.22390079]

>>22390068
You are an idiot and a dumb teenager yourself. There is no cod and if you mean Child of God, I implore you to actually read it.

[Anonymous No.22390085]

>>22390079
Child of God is actually my most read Cormac book (and maybe my fav). I've read it three times. If you don't think the ending is nihilistic I don't know what to tell you. It's his bleakest book.

[Anonymous No.22390087]

>>22388305
Maybe you should actually try reading the book for once finally, instead of being constantly buttmad over anonymous persons who like it.

[Anonymous No.22390093]

>>22387034
Can someone elaborate? I really got the impression that Cormac was trying to make something that would be appreciated as literature.

[Anonymous No.22390094]

>>22390085
Hell no it isn't. It's partially an apologia for a necrophiliac, if that's nihilistic to you then you are an idiot. The only unmistakable nihilistic work in McCarthy's oeuvre is Outer Dark.

[Anonymous No.22390103]

>>22388132
https://www.joyceproject.com/index.php?chapter=telem&notes=1

[Anonymous No.22390114]

>>22390094
There's no apologia for necrophilia. This has to be the craziest take I've ever seen about this book. Ballard's fate is clearly nihilistic. The Road is bleak at times but there's some hope and love in it. Child of God is pure bleakness with a hint of dark comedy.

[Anonymous No.22390125]

>>22390068
Are you a woman?

[Anonymous No.22390126]

>>22387628
Even if it was a meticulously crafted work, its still insane nonsense, like Milton Babbitt piece.

[Anonymous No.22390130]

>>22390125
>BM is not edgy bro, that's just what I call Monday
Do you want be to post passages?

[Anonymous No.22390132]

>>22388673
>massive tome

How do you figure? It sits comfortably in one hand.

[Anonymous No.22390134]

>>22390126
>insane nonsense
Aka a genius masterpiece that filters plebs.

[Anonymous No.22390135]

Literally everything by Gardner

[Anonymous No.22390136]

>>22388799
How can an English langauge edition of a work that's (ostensibly) in English be shitty?

[Anonymous No.22390140]

>>22390114
Are you serious? Ballad's fate is not nihilistic. Do you know what nihilism means? The narrator even accuses the reader of not recognizing Ballard's predicament. If anything, this book clearly shows McCarthy's more sympathetic side towards societal outcasts even if he doesn't condone what they do. Ballard killed 7 women, none of which he was forced to do. One can easily argue a Christian judgement regarding his final fate.
>He came up flailing and sputtering and began to thrash his way toward the line of willows that marked the submerged creek bank. He could not swim, but how would you drown him? His wrath seemed to buoy him up. Some halt in the way of things seems to work here. See him. You could say that he’s sustained by his fellow men, like you. Has peopled the shore with them calling to him. A race that gives suck to the maimed and the crazed, that wants their wrong blood in its history and will have it. But they want this man’s life. He has heard them in the night seeking him with lanterns and cries of execration. How then is he borne up? Or rather, why will not these waters take him?

[Anonymous No.22390149]

>>22390130
>he thinks violence = edgy
Yeah, that's the teenager take if anything. I have seen actual teenagers on goodreads disliking it for the same reason. Yet I have never seen a single person who liked the book because it was violent.

[Anonymous No.22390159]

>>22390140
He ends up as a dissected cadaver for scientific study. Can't imagine anything more materialistic, more clinical than that. Reduced to a mere scientific specimen like some dead cow.

[Anonymous No.22390170]

>>22390149
Violence is not edgy. Over the top violence is edgy. You're the one who's like a teenager by acting like it's nothing, business as usual. Pretending to be le cool badass.
>I have never seen a single person who liked the book because it was violent.
You're being dishonest here. It's what attracts many readers. A most prominent aspect.

[Anonymous No.22390177]

>>22390159
You do know how common this is in the real world, right? If that's nihilistic, then the real world as well might be. Look it is all about perspective. It's not about him being dissected, but rather what they found in there. He was absolutely no different from the average person which was stated at the end. From that perspective it is a sympathetic scene rather than a nihilistic one.

[Anonymous No.22390185]

>>22390170
>Over the top violence is edgy. You're the one who's like a teenager by acting like it's nothing, business as usual.
All the violence is historical, kiddo. Your perception of the real world is very basic. Read more history.
>You're being dishonest here. It's what attracts many readers. A most prominent aspect.
Bullshit. You are living in some fantasy about the book. Nobody picked up the book because it was violent. The violence is repetitive. Even here the only people who bring up the violence are bellyachers complaining about it. I have never seen a single McCarthyfag say that his favorite thing was the violence. You're lying to suit your agenda.

[Anonymous No.22390187]

>>22390130
Watch a war movie, pussy

>>22390170
You're such a pseud it's fucking unreal

[Anonymous No.22390205]

>>22390177
>You do know how common this is in the real world, right?
How many in your family? Is your grandma dissected in some medical department? It's not common at all.
>If that's nihilistic, then the real world as well might be.
It's the writer who chooses what to portray in his book. Cormac chose a nihilistic end for Ballard. It could've been a romantic ending or something else but he chose this ending.

[Anonymous No.22390221]

>>22390205
>How many in your family? Is your grandma dissected in some medical department? It's not common at all.
How young are you idiot? Morgue has a constant supply of cadavers for medical colleges. Who do you think are these people?
>It's the writer who chooses what to portray in his book. Cormac chose a nihilistic end for Ballard. It could've been a romantic ending or something else but he chose this ending
A romantic end after the whole book being that way? What stupidity. And it's not nihilistic. You don't know what that word means.

[Anonymous No.22390222]

>>22390185
>All the violence is historical, kiddo.
lol some of it, sure. All of it? No.
>Your perception of the real world is very basic.
Your perception of the real world is twisted by a dark western.
>Nobody picked up the book because it was violent.
Yes, they did. The fame and allure of this book comes from how violent and edgy it is. Then these edgy boys realize how fucked up the violence is and deal with it more seriously but many do pick it up because of its fame. You're lying by claiming otherwise.

[Anonymous No.22390230]

>>22390222
>Yes, they did. The fame and allure of this book comes from how violent and edgy it is. Then these edgy boys realize how fucked up the violence is and deal with it more seriously but many do pick it up because of its fame. You're lying by claiming otherwise.
You are delusional as all hell. Go to goodreads and read the reviews if you want any proof. You have invented a fantasy to defend your retarded claims.
>all of it? No
A good 90% of the violence is historically accurate. You are talking about a book you haven't even read. Stfu.

[Anonymous No.22390242]

>>22390221
Yes, the morgue gives away unclaimed bodies for study but that's not that common. Do you understand the weight of the word common? Common is watching a dog on the street.
>A romantic end after the whole book being that way? What stupidity. And it's not nihilistic. You don't know what that word means.
I'm not saying he should've, I'm saying he technically could've. But the whole book was dark and the ending was bleak. He ended it clinically. His scientific materialism started there, maybe.

[Anonymous No.22390262]

>>22390242
It's common for criminals with no recognized families.
>scientific materialism
Lol. Because he wrote something that actually happens?

[Anonymous No.22390265]

>>22390230
All famous books have certain allure that attracts readers. For BM it's definitely the violence. You cannot claim otherwise. It's the main aura. Many readers come for that, be it out of curiosity or morbidness. I'm not saying all of them, mind you. Some stay for something else, be it the prose, narrative, characters, etc. which is why reviews might reflect something different than what attracted many readers at first.

[Anonymous No.22390294]

>>22390262
So it's not common in general. It's common for "criminals with no recognized families". Totally not a niche demographic lol

Because he reduced his protagonist to a medical meat toy. All the passions and events in his life became nothing. He ended up as meat for study. There were different kind of fates and Cormac chose this for a reason.

[Anonymous No.22390323]

>>22387033
I’ve been reading a lot about this lately and it intrigues me but I know I would hate it. From my understanding it’s the quintessential dream novel, and never has a writer gave the impression of a dream so accurately

[Anonymous No.22390329]

>>22390323
Eh, it's not attempting to portray a dream accurately. It's dreamlike in the sense Alice in Wonderland is dreamlike. Not an actual oneiric description.

[Anonymous No.22390350]

>>22390329
Maybe the essays I was reading are outdated but it was described as the story of a night as Ulysses was the story of a day. Earwicker falling asleep and the different cadences in the prose simulate different parts of the sleep process like snoring, and the unconscious and subconscious emerging

[Anonymous No.22390375]

>>22387033
>Fin Wake
>schizopost
Nice way to inform everyone you abandoned it after a cursory look at the first page.

[Anonymous No.22390566]

>>22390265
>For BM it's definitely the violence. You cannot claim otherwise. It's the main aura. Many readers come for that, be it out of curiosity or morbidness. I'm not saying all of them, mind you. Some stay for something else, be it the prose, narrative, characters, etc. which is why reviews might reflect something different than what attracted many readers at first.
No, you idiot. Nobody comes to it for the violence in the same way nobody comes to Moby Dick for Cetology. That's not the draw. The draw is people calling them classics. Nobody read Don Quixote because they wanted to read about a crazy person, they read it because it is an important book. Your perceptions are stupid and unfounded. Go on goodreads, check for yourself. You have a fantasy which you are deluding yourself with that it's a real thing.

[Anonymous No.22390567]

>>22390294
Learn to read context you idiot.
>Because he reduced his protagonist to a medical meat toy. All the passions and events in his life became nothing
Lmao. Arguing with you is like arguing with those teenager Christians.

[Anonymous No.22390569]

>>22390329
It's not even close to accurate to a dream. The only similarity between them is that they seem non-sensical.

[Anonymous No.22390571]

>>22390566
BM came out in 1985. It's not a classic. And yes, the main draw is the fame as a violent book. That simply cannot be ignored. Of course they find other things as well because the book is not just that.

[Anonymous No.22390577]

>>22390567
It is a nihilistic ending. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.22390583]

>>22388799
This actually exists?

[Anonymous No.22390695]

>>22390136
Can somebody answer me? Is it just teh cover art or what?

[Anonymous No.22390702]

>>22390695
Yea, it’s the cover art

[Anonymous No.22390987]

>>22390695
Covert art, paper quality, formatting, print quality (typeface, ink, glue etc) that afdects the physical longevity and the readknf experience. Why do you think some editions are $25 and others are $1 for the same text?

[Anonymous No.22391005]

>>22390571
You're retarded. The violence is not a draw for anyone. You are delusional as all hell. Stay mad over your deluded fantasies.

[Anonymous No.22391007]

>>22390577
Back to high school with you.

[Anonymous No.22391028]

schizopost, the book.