/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22378295]

>greatest writers of all time are all Catholic
explain this without coping

[Anonymous No.22378305]

Name them.

[Anonymous No.22378315]

>>22378305
Your Mom

[Anonymous No.22378322]

>>22378305
Shakespeare, Tolkien, and Chesterton

[Anonymous No.22378342]

>>22378322
>Shakespeare
Anglican.
>Tolkien
Children's author.
>Chesterton
A sophist.

[Anonymous No.22378353]

>>22378342
I said without coping

[Anonymous No.22378453]

Homer wasn't Catholic

[Anonymous No.22378570]

Creative minds are more sensitive to spiritual experiences, and those on the other end of a high-level spiritual experience rarely emerge as atheists. That, and many of the greatest writers were writing before the rise of secularism, in countries where Catholicism dominated.

[Anonymous No.22378575]

>>22378295
Hegel.

[Anonymous No.22378641]

>>22378295
Dostoevsky was Orthodox, he hated Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22378645]

>>22378570
/thread

[Anonymous No.22378646]

>>22378570
>>22378645
>Creative minds are more sensitive to spiritual experiences, and those on the other end of a high-level spiritual experience rarely emerge as atheists.
Define "spiritual experience".

[Anonymous No.22378648]

>>22378295
Best Christian denomination with the:
- Most powerful aesthetic
- Most iconic imagery
- Most followers worldwide

Dante is the GOAT
Seethe & cope

[OP No.22378650]

>>22378295
In allmost all history the best authors have been white men because of the status quo (Women were uneducated, other races weren't as focused on literature as Europe). The most common religion for white men is catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22378653]

>>22378646
>Define
Bugman moment. You either get it or you don't.

[Anonymous No.22378657]

>>22378295
>two thousand years of history
It’s a numbers game. You’re automatically going to have more achievements simply by existing longer. The Chinese mog the Japanese for the same reason when it comes to the classical corpus, Japan wasn’t even at china’s level until the 1500’s, so they had about 2000 years of catching up to do
>>22378322
You know what else those three men share? Being British. Maybe the eternal Anglo’s real calling is being a nation of writers and not much else

[Anonymous No.22378658]

>>22378295
crypto-occultism

[Anonymous No.22378659]

>>22378653
Concession accepted.

[Anonymous No.22378661]

>>22378659
schizo

[Anonymous No.22378662]

>>22378659
Glad you've accepted you're a bugman. Hope that helped

[Anonymous No.22378664]

>>22378295
They were the only people allowed to read and write for a long time. Hope you find your god somewhere between the self congratulatory bullshit of those theological pages. Took years for me to untangle myself from that circular reasoning.

[Anonymous No.22378665]

>>22378664
Really... all it comes down to... is.. Just "Bee" Yourself...

[Anonymous No.22378666]

>>22378661
>>22378662
lmao, christcucks can't answer a direct question to save their lives

[Anonymous No.22378670]

>>22378666
Trips confirms your a bugman lol

[Anonymous No.22378674]

>>22378665
What

[Anonymous No.22378677]

>>22378674

[Anonymous No.22378682]

>>22378670
>asking questions equals satan
christcuck logic
sheep logic

[Anonymous No.22378683]

>>22378666
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
begone satanic bugman

[Anonymous No.22378685]

>>22378682
Numbers dont lie lil bud
you sound worked up :^)

[Anonymous No.22378688]

>>22378683
see
>>22378682

Anything to avoid explaining any part of the mystery cult eh boys?

[Anonymous No.22378689]

>>22378666

[Anonymous No.22378692]

>>22378688
>mystery cult

[Anonymous No.22378694]

>>22378646
Doestoyevsky before his seizures. Intensive prayer. Drugs, psychedelics, meditation, dreams. They are intensely individual and indescribable.

[Anonymous No.22378699]

Yet another instance of Satan trying to make Christians doubt their faith. Nothing to see here, pals.

[Anonymous No.22378713]

>>22378685
Mildly. But I don't see you answering my question at this point, so i'll take my leave and hope that any lurkers get the point- that christfriends never ever stand and defend when the going gets tough.

>>22378692
poo poo pee pee

>>22378694
At least this isn't an outright deflection, even if "indescribable" basically renders the post meaningless.

peace

[Anonymous No.22378720]

>>22378713
Same vibe fr fr no cap

[Anonymous No.22378723]

>>22378713
Wish I could describe it. It's just hard to be an atheist after you've felt the presence of God. It's a total paradigm shift.

[Anonymous No.22378726]

>>22378295
Correct.
Retards will think Nietzsche hated Christianity, when he only hated its peasant G*rmoid offshoot, Protestantism:
>All spirit finally becomes visible. - By the spirit which it has thus given to European humanity—in conjunction with the power of abnegation, and very often in conjunction with the profound conviction and loyalty of that abnegation—it has perhaps chiselled and shaped the most subtle individualities which have ever existed in human society: the individualities of the higher ranks of the Catholic clergy, especially when these priests have sprung from a noble family, and have brought to their work, from the very beginning, the innate grace of gesture, the dominating glance of the eye, and beautiful hands and feet. Here the human face acquires that spiritualisation brought about by the continual ebb and flow of two kinds of happiness (the feeling of power and the feeling of submission) after a carefully-planned manner of living has conquered the beast in man. Here an activity, which consists in blessing, forgiving sins, and representing the Almighty, ever keeps alive in the soul, and even in the body, the consciousness of a supreme mission; here we find that noble contempt concerning the perishable nature of the body, of well-being, and of happiness, peculiar to born soldiers: their pride lies in obedience, a distinctly aristocratic trait; their excuse and their idealism arise from the enormous impossibility of their task. The surpassing beauty and subtleties of these princes of the Church have always proved to the people the truth of the Church; a momentary brutalisation of the clergy (such as came about in Luther's time) always tended to encourage the contrary belief. And would it be maintained that this result of beauty and human subtlety, shown in harmony of figure, intellect, and task, would come to an end with religions? and that nothing higher could be obtained, or even conceived?

[Anonymous No.22378730]

>>22378322
>Names the three most overrated authors of all time
kek

[Anonymous No.22378731]

>>22378730
>Chesterton
>overrated
barely rated

[Anonymous No.22378738]

>>22378731
Chesterton was a buffoon

[Anonymous No.22378743]

>>22378738
Easy now.

[Anonymous No.22378749]

>>22378738
for you

[Anonymous No.22378764]

>>22378305
Augustine
Chaucer
Dante
Torquato Tasso
Shakespeare
Cervantes
de Tocqueville
John Henry Newman
Tolkien
Fitzgerald
Ernest Hemingway
Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.22378768]

>>22378764
UM ACKSHUALLY TOLKIEN IS BAD BLA AND AUGUSTINE IS STOOPID

[Anonymous No.22378770]

>>22378646
If you could define it, it wouldn't be a spiritual experience. Dante's ~1000 pages of cantos are one possible definition. It can't be abbreviated.

[Anonymous No.22378797]

>>22378646
A grasp of the universal conditions of human experience and our deepest longing as a race. To reach the spiritual you have to stop thinking analytically and sorting mental entities into pockets of reality. Existential crises becomes more real than the most concrete object in front of you. Unironically read Nausea by Sartre to see how an artist/writer errs in their attempt to capture the essence of a subject matter.

[Anonymous No.22378940]

I wouldn't know because I only understand English and all the best writers are Protestants.

[Anonymous No.22378947]

>>22378940
Shakespeare was crypto-Catholic.

[Anonymous No.22378948]

>Faulkner
>Melville
>Dickens
>Steinbeck
>Every notable Russian, Ukrainian, and Greek writer
>All not Catholic
Explain this without coping

[Anonymous No.22378955]

>>22378947
I don't buy that. I agree with Carlyle that he represents an afterglow of mediæval Catholicism but the theories about his personally being one don't convince me.

[Anonymous No.22378957]

>>22378948
>steinbeck
>a GREATEST AUTHOR LIST
school starts soon bud. time to go to sleep

[Anonymous No.22378962]

>>22378948
>Greek
If you mean the ancients, the Catholic argument is that they were proto-Catholic.

[Anonymous No.22378971]

>>22378957
>>22378962
Guys.... You were supposed to explain it without coping

[Anonymous No.22378975]

>greatest writers of all time are all europeans
explain this without coping

[Anonymous No.22378978]

>>22378948
>Steinbeck
Lmao has to be bait

[Anonymous No.22378982]

>>22378975
It's a false premise to begin with.

[Anonymous No.22378988]

>>22378948
This fag sneaked in Ukrainian writers in an absolute GOATs list.

[Anonymous No.22378989]

>>22378971
I just did.

[Anonymous No.22379001]

>>22378989
Yes, I know you coped, the point was not to.

[Anonymous No.22379011]

>>22379001
>Explain a mediocre writer like Steinbeck without coping
It's a trap

[Anonymous No.22379038]

>>22378948
>notable Russian
Doesn't exist outside of Dosto and Tolstoy
>notable Greek
Doesn't exist post-antiquity
>notable Ukrainian
Doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.22379044]

Catholicism is for faggots and cucks.

[Anonymous No.22379046]

>>22378570
>autistic logocentrism is a display of "sensitivity to spiritual experiences"

[Anonymous No.22379049]

>>22379046
>autistic
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.22379052]

>>22379049
Catholicism was and is the ultimate gateway to sterile bugman rationalism and secularism.

[Anonymous No.22379066]

>>22378295
Protestant writers?

[Anonymous No.22379076]

>>22379052
That's Protestantism. Best exemplified in the US and the UK. Once soulful nations, now the home of secular bugmen. That's what Protestantism evolves into.

[Anonymous No.22379078]

>>22379076
The Anglo Menace

[Anonymous No.22379101]

>>22378650
>other races weren't as focused on literature as Europe
>focused on literature
Just say vastly illiterate tripfag. And the literate elites were reading European literature. Must be the status quo, that magically manifested itself.

[Anonymous No.22379405]

>>22379078
why'd we have to end up like this, anglobros?
in my heart I yearn for green fields, mountains, seafaring, and to live and die by the sword
why did anglos lose their souls and become corporate bugmen? why did they industrialize so excessively and lose all sense of spirit in the world?

[Anonymous No.22379428]

>>22379405
Britons will never be slaves

[Anonymous No.22379449]

>>22378295
List for the curious
>John Kennedy Toole
>St. John Henry Newman
>St. Thomas More
>Gerald Manley Hopkins
>A. Theroux
>Hyusmans
>Graham Greene
>Evelyn Waugh
>D'Aurevilly
>Fr. Rolfe
>Flannery O'Connor
>Cervantes
>Borges
>Eco (albeit not believing was baptized)
>Chesterton
>Heinrich Böll
>Iris Murdoch

[Anonymous No.22379477]

I'm the greatest writer ever and I'm Orthodox. Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.22379479]

>>22379428
The Britons were replaced by us, and we did nothing with their fertile soil but drive it to ruin.
The Welsh and Irish are the last surviving Celts.

[Anonymous No.22379482]

>>22379477
>Orthodox
You literally call yourself Catholic in the creed.

[Anonymous No.22379483]

>>22379449
what a shit list, the only good catholic is (was) McLuhan, but its not like i can assume someone who doesnt even read to know him

>Eco (albeit not believing was baptized)

SO HE IS NOT A CATHOLIC THEN

[Anonymous No.22379491]

>>22379483
It's funny because as I'm reading this post, which provides no list, Gutenberg Galaxy is literally on my night stand.

[Anonymous No.22379553]

>>22378768
Why did you respond to yourself?

[Anonymous No.22379557]

>>22379449
>A. Theroux
>pedo
>is catholic
Unsurprising

[Anonymous No.22379688]

>>22378295
Nabokov was agnostic, and John “Stoner” Williams’ religion isn’t known.

[Anonymous No.22379693]

>>22378295
>worlds largest religion
>a good amount of people in any given field believe in it
can’t explain that
must be divine intervention or something

[Anonymous No.22380421]

>>22378295
Why would I cope, I'm Catholic

[Anonymous No.22380894]

>>22378453
>dude just fight and lie and shiet

even Plato knew Homer was a hack

[Anonymous No.22381077]

>>22378295
Everyone knows deep down that the spiritual is real. And now we have proof since NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife, and the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics. And religion has historically filled that spot of spirituality. But religions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs.

And NDEs are more real than this world, in every way. For instance, NDErs report expanded intelligence. One NDEr said that the greatest supergenius who ever lived, with the help of the greatest supercomputer of all time, would be immeasurably dwarfed by the intelligence she had access to while in the light, so much so that it would be closer and fairer to compare the intelligence of Einstein to that of an ant. Literally and seriously. And as another NDEr described their cognition during their life review:

>"I looked up, and saw four translucent screens begin to appear - and form a kind of gigantic, cubed box all around me. It was through this method that I was shown my life review. Without ever having to turn my head, I panoramically saw my past, present, future - and there was even a screen behind me that displayed a tremendous amount of scientific data, numbers, symbols and universal codes. I was in complete amazement because (as all of this was occurring) I realized I understood absolutely everything I was seeing - even in the most microscopic detail! There seemed to be no limit to the thoughts I was able to think or the ideas I was able to absorb. In this space, what we tend to think of as a limited comprehension or single-mindedness here on Earth, becomes truly infinite and limitless here! I kept thinking over and over how true it is what they say: that when we go back home - we all really are of one mind!"

From here: https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o

Another way NDEs are more real is how one NDEr said that he saw more than 80 new primary colors in the NDE world, compared to the 3 primary colors we have here.

From here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

So heaven is undeniably real.

[Anonymous No.22381091]

>>22378295
it's the work of god. Simple as

[Anonymous No.22381120]

>>22378685
Different anon but Jesus would frown on your arrogant and non-loving tone. Christcucks really are the most retarded AND obnoxious AND self refuting

[Anonymous No.22381122]

le guin isn't catholic

[Anonymous No.22381126]

>>22379557
Didnt he fuck college chicks?

[Anonymous No.22381127]

That's true. I'm a catholic.

[Anonymous No.22381129]

>>22378764
All of these are ass
>n-no they aren’t! how dare you! other catholics and /lit/sheep put them on their charts!

Kek! Unable to form your own opinion, signature trait among Catholics

[Anonymous No.22381138]

>>22378989
>I just did.
>.
>period to sound resolute and assertive

REDDITOR DETECTED REDDITOR DETECTED REDDITOR DETECTED

[I V R I V S ࿇ N E M O !!GgBWHLRiayD No.22381188]

The best scientists are Catholcal; the best Catholics are scientifical.

[Anonymous No.22381348]

Hmmm.... You might be onto something.

[Anonymous No.22381371]

>>22379078
You're welcome, Giancarlo

[Anonymous No.22381570]

>>22378648

Don't forget
>the one true Church created by Jesus Himself

[Anonymous No.22381887]

>>22378650
>(Women were uneducated, other races weren't as focused on literature as Europe)
They’re preferred at the moment: Are they writing anything great?

[Anonymous No.22381908]

>>22378764
Half of those don’t count because they were born before Protestant reformation and weren’t exposed to orthodoxy so Catholicism was their only choice anyways.

[Anonymous No.22381964]

>>22378570
None of my mystical experiences have left to Abrahamism. In fact they have led me into concluding you are icchantika undeserving of moral consideration. You're completely mechanized soulless faggots better off gone.
My mystical experiences led more to Mahayana with sympathies towards animism and paganism.

[Anonymous No.22381967]

>>22378570
None of my mystical experiences have led to Abrahamism. In fact, they have led me into concluding you are icchantikas undeserving of moral consideration. You're completely mechanized soulless faggots better off gone.
My mystical experiences led more to Mahayana with sympathies towards animism and paganism.

[Anonymous No.22382911]

>>22381967
I don't think you understand the concept of icchantikas if you think that a being would be undeserving of moral consideration for being one. What's ironic is that if Mahayana texts are true, you're really just projecting and so am I. You are the completely mechanized soulless faggot and that means I am the completely mechanized soulless faggot. C'est la vie

[Anonymous No.22382921]

you know none of these kinds of threads are gonna make me read any of them now. then again i'm not a white yank so good for you i guess
i'm too lazy to read shakespeare, there's no motivation consider that this board only use him to shitpost. chesterton is humorous until he's not

[Anonymous No.22383055]

>>22381077
NDE are all wrong or at best the light they saw was that of the angel of death azrael who is a true light bringer,but my problem with NDE is that no one goes to heaven or even hell when they die,all those that are dead are awaiting judgment and only after being judge will they go to heaven or hell.

[Anonymous No.22383059]

>>22381967
>None of my mystical experiences have led to Abrahamism.
thats because your mystical experience came from satan,enjoy hell or repent.

[Anonymous No.22383899]

>>22383059
good convo thanks, very solid argument you got there

[Anonymous No.22383983]

>>22378295
>greatest writers
Catholics didn't write the Bible though, because those 40 authors who wrote 66 books are the greatest authors and the Bible is the best-selling book every year and the King James Bible is the best-selling version every year (even if they'll parade "studies" that only poll catholic and modernist publishers and disregard others as well as publishing churches). The Catholic church didn't give us the Bible either. That's just a bunch of Roman cult lies.

>>22378648
>>22381570
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Making graven images or likenesses and bowing to them violates the second commandment. Being loved by the world is a sign that you're wrong, Christ said woe unto you when all shall speak well of you for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Being a friend of the world is enmity with God, being an enemy of God. Jesus Christ is the Rock, not Peter.

There's no salvation outside of Jesus Christ, not Rome and neither is Mary a co-redemtrix. Further, all sins are mortal and the sacrifice Jesus Christ gave is fully sufficient. Good works are a fruit of true faith and your salvation can be known right now rather than being confused and wondering what is your fate.

You should study to see whether the things you are told are true or not, the Scripture even tells you to do so and comments those in Berea who did so.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (II. Timothy 2:15)
And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:10)
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (II. Timothy 3:16)

>>22378682
The Roman catholic church isn't Christian, they hate questions especially regarding why their church doesn't teach sound biblical doctrine and they used to torture and murder people for questioning them and their false claim to authority over God's Word and their false claim to sole authority to interpreting Scripture by their own private interpretation.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.(II. Peter 1:20)

>>22378689
A cross won't save you, only repentance and beliefe in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

>>22379428
Already are for turning away from God.

>>22380421
Don't worry, it's not terminal; you can be truly saved. The sacrifice Jesus Christ gave is sufficient for all sins. You don't need to keep doing mass, and that's not Christ, it's just a wafer.

Christ isn't dead on the cross or a helpless baby in Mary's arms nor is Christ a wafer and wine; Christ is at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Anonymous No.22383985]

>>22381908
>so Catholicism was their only choice
Uh... anon? People didn't just all of a sudden start disagreeing with the Catholic church because Martin Luther made the Ninety-Five Theses. There's Gnosticism, Manichaeism, Montanism, Catharism, Waldesianism, and the list goes on and on. These guys wouldn't be remembered as Catholics if they were of these sects, but heretics or proto-protestants. Hell, even Dante is remembered as a proto-protestant rather than a Catholic by anyone who actually reads and isn't interested in some Deus Vult larp where they never actually read Dante, but push their ridiculous misconceptions onto cool paintings of the guy. Though, I suppose Augustine avoided that treatment, despite how much the Catholic Church hates some of his views which line up quite perfectly with Calvin's on topics like TULIP, though the acronym wasn't utilized in Calvin's time (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Perseverance of the Saints (arguable)).

[Anonymous No.22384045]

>>22378948
>anons frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of Steinbeck
Schools really do poison classic authors, huh? This must be, if not Edgar Allan Poe, the American equivalent of hating Shakespeare because you had to read him in school. Let me guess, they thought Grapes of Wrath was boring or too long (or worse, they were in an anti-socialist pro-capitalist phase at the time of reading it, and all of the nuance went over their head, because lives and realities cannot be defined by economics alone, and a teenager's understanding of a world they have not lived in is insufficient), or they didn't understand Of Mice & Men and just wrote it off as a children's book. I'll admit I didn't get Grapes of Wrath when I was younger, but it really is a book that completely transforms as you get older. Re-reads are very rewarding. Unless these anons really do not live their lives and just stay inside all day shitposting, it's hard to imagine someone, especially an American, not getting at least something out of Steinbeck. I'll just say this: More than practically any other author, Steinbeck empathizes with the American life though Faulkner is a close second. I love Faulkner..

>There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”

[Anonymous No.22384052]

>>22383983

Clueless Protestant

[Anonymous No.22384419]

>>22378295
Most white people were catholic

[Anonymous No.22384728]

>>22384052
He means well, but honestly those are the most dangerous kind of people.

[Anonymous No.22384918]

>>22383985
>0
Hey anon, you look like you having interesting knowledge about Christianity. What is your opinion on that? Theism/ateism? Give me some book recommendation about that topic, because i want to know the truth about that please

[Anonymous No.22385163]

>>22380894
Plato wasn't Catholic

>>22383059
twitter and reddit are the other way

>>22378648
>Most powerful aesthetic
neoclassicalism that they imported from pagan Greeks
>Most iconic imagery
Renaissance artwork inspired by the pagan Greeks
>Most followers worldwide
appeal to popularity fallacy, most of those aren't white either

>>22378685
>>22378683
>>22378670
>>22378661
>>22378662
>>22378659
>>22378653
midwit tradcath larpers who can't answer a simple question

[Anonymous No.22385190]

>>22384918
>Theism/atheism?
Still figuring that one out myself. I want to believe, but I'm in a constant loop of falling in and out of faith. All I can do is ask others to pray for my unbelief to be taken from me, because my prayers are empty, and either way, I don't pray anymore. I'm afraid to. The most I can say for sure is that the concept of divinity in the general Christian sense is inspiring to me, and that I'm deeply interested in reading theology and church history. If I had to lean to one side, I'd say theism makes the most "sense", what with the perfect beauty of the universe and all (really, if anything is going to convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that any sort of god exists, it's going to be mathematics). Then again, there are plenty of people who'd just say I'm falling into "God of the gaps" type thinking, but I've never really seen a problem with that, and there isn't much I agree with Nietzsche on anyway.
>Give me some book recommendation about that topic, because i want to know the truth about that please
Can't say they'll lead you to the truth, because I'm still unsure about it all myself, but I can just point you towards the books I've read myself.

Bible Translations: RSVCE, KJV, DRA, RVR1960, LUTH1545
St. Augustine's Confessions, City of God, The Retractions
St. John Chrysostom's Homilies, Discourses, and Sermons
Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
Bavinck's Doctrine of God
Velimirović's Prayers by the Lake
Swedenborg's True Christian Religion
Chesterton's The Everlasting Man
Pope John Paul II's Love and Responsibility
Wesley's A Plain Account of Christian Perfection
Tolstoy's A Confession
Watson's The Doctrine of Repentance
Scotus' A Treatise on God as First Principle
Kempis' The Imitation of Christ
Mather's The Christian Philosopher
Luther's The Bondage of the Will, 95 Theses, Small Catechism
Palamas' Homilies
Justin Martyr's Apologies
John of Damascus' An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith
Clement of Alexandra's Stromateis
Balthasar's Cosmic Liturgy
Bonaventure's The Journey of the Mind to God
Teresa of Ávila's Interior Castle
Kierkegaard's Fear and Trembling
Irenaeus' Against Heresis
Athanasius' On the Incarnation
Basil's Address to Young Men on the Right Use of Greek Literature, On Fasting & Feasts
Aquinas' Summa contra Gentile (only Books 1 and 2 so far, I really need to read more Aquinas)
Ware Kallistos' The Orthodox Church
Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People
Dowley's Introduction to the History of Christianity
Justo Gonzalez' The Story of Christianity
Tacitus' Annals
Josephus' The Antiquities of the Jews
and a handful of papal encyclicals, the latest one I've read being Pope Gregory XVI's Mirari Vos, On Liberalism and Religious Indifferentism

Augustine's Confessions is what got me started down this rabbit hole, so try starting there if you haven't read it already. But really, just try to have fun pondering and journaling on what you read.

[Anonymous No.22385197]

>>22378764
>Augustine
neurotic shitskin who got raped by Celsus so tried to destroy his works so nobody from the future could read them
>Chaucer
English, white
>Shakespeare
English, white, Anglican
>Fitzgerald
>Hemingway
lol

anyways, your entire list is just of white Europeans. that seems to be the common factor, how odd

>>22383985
>People didn't just all of a sudden start disagreeing with the Catholic church because Martin Luther made the Ninety-Five Theses. There's Gnosticism, Manichaeism, Montanism, Catharism, Waldesianism, and the list goes on and on.
and most of those heresies just had their followers mass murdered and their works destroyed with no actual competition allowed, so what's your point?
by your logic, Sunni Islam is objectively superior to Catholicism because there is absolutely no dissent
>These guys wouldn't be remembered as Catholics if they were of these sects
because they'd have been murdered

>>22378962
mentally ill

>>22379038
>Doesn't exist post-antiquity
stopped existing once they stopped being pagan? interesting

[Anonymous No.22385214]

>>22378342
Ah yes, the Children's author church.

[Anonymous No.22385364]

>>22385190
I have problem like you anon, my arguments for God are:
Simulation theory
Saint Thomas first mover argumentation and etc
Godel's incompliment theory
Metaphysics and pre Big Bang times, where there was no time. Definition of no time, is infinity and that infinity "pick" to be and also being than not being. Also Big Bang theory was created by priest and in XX century it has much criticism from other astrophysics because it was too similar with Biblie creation story.
Excorcism
Sacrifice of early christians - they die for they faith
Shroud of Turin
Miracles in peoples life
Near Death Experiences relations
Occultism in the world and elites
Many lawyers are up for Christ Resurrection, one lawyer with the Guiness World Record in winning murder case
Bible mathgematic code - that's kinda interesting
Archeology of the Bible

So i have basic arguments for God like deism, but later i got much points for christianity. But my main problem now are book Zenon Kosidowski 1963 - Bible stories. Author shows how old testament was created and etc - that was huge shot against my faith. It's not stupid shit like Zeitgeist or some things what Inspiring Philosophy (very interesting theological channel) btw debunk. I can't find good arguments against thesis from that book.

But well i think i will life as a Christian for values, but in that century that is very hard. I don't talking about degeneracy and etc, but things like transhumanism, neurotech etc - that is the tough one. I think i need to read more books against the faith, but not things like "God delusion", more something deep about that topic. I hear Bart D. Ehrman have ineresting things about that topic, maybe you anons know something about that.

Also being a Christian can literally give you power because you don't affraid that much of death and believe in something more, purpose, hapiness.

[Anonymous No.22386319]

>>22383899
>type retarded post
>get angry at retarded reply

[Anonymous No.22386340]

>>22385364
bart ehrman is a mega blackpilled resentful ex christian. definitely avoid.

Read CS Lewis Mere Christianity if you haven't yet. classic book