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22378066 No.22378066 [Reply] [Original]

No, No I won't. I'll jump right into whatever the fuck interests be it Spinoza, kierkegaard, Camus or whatever and if need be look up secondary sources or simply google for explanations about whatever philosopher they're responding to.

Looking at you fags argue has shown me that starting with the Greeks doesn't give you better understanding.

>> No.22378069

>>22378066
For me, it’s start with William James

>> No.22378071

>>22378066
Start with Descartes so you can see why the Greeks are retarded. They are only given precedence because they are the first to do it.

>> No.22378076

>>22378066
You should start with aristotle lol. Fuck all other Greeks tho

>> No.22378079

>>22378071
Explain why you think this lol that's so dumb

>> No.22378080

>>22378066
Hell, read YA for all anyone cares. Just if you started with the Greeks you might learn not to be a frogposting faggot.

>> No.22378089

>>22378066
You can grasp Philosophers ideas without reading there works lol

>> No.22378093

>>22378079
I am not reposting the entire thing but it was in Rules for the Mind maybe 4 where he says that the Greeks only seemed important because they were the first to do stuff and that the mathematicians for example (he lists Peppus and Diophantus by name) wouldn’t even be able to do the simple algebra of his time. Most of what seems impressive is simply the greeeks we’re first to do it. Descartes being father of the enlightenment hated the Greeks intensely.

>> No.22378100

>>22378093
Understanding algebra doesn't make you a better Philosopher ffs

>> No.22378102

>>22378100
It isn’t just algebra. Most of what was difficult for them should be considered simple or even backwards to us.

>> No.22378104

>>22378102
Like what? Aristotle was smarter then you

>> No.22378108

>>22378102
In terms of philosophy?

>> No.22378109

>>22378080
And btw. I fuck teenage twinks on a regular basis aside from frogposting and there's nothing you could do about it either.

>> No.22378119

>>22378102
But we could say the same of descartes

>> No.22378120

>>22378104
Aristotle and the scholastics held back the world for a long time and your definition of “smarter than” is debatable. 99% of people today are by definition smarter than someone who thought fish spawned out of mud.

>> No.22378125

>>22378119
Descartes predicted that and he didn’t believe himself to be infallible or the last word. I was citing his philosophical ideas for why the Greeks are not necessary.

>> No.22378126

>>22378119
He used to torture animals because he didn't think they had inner beings

>> No.22378136

>>22378120
There's so many descartes would have thought that we know would think were stupid. There will be things in the future that we know think of as obvious that will be seen as entirely wrong by future generations and so will future generations on from them. How can philosophy ever be taken seriously if the humans who write it don't have a perfect understanding of science?

>> No.22378141

>>22378125
No philosophy is necessary, you don't have to think about things

>> No.22378146

>>22378136
>How can philosophy ever be taken seriously if the humans who write it don't have a perfect understanding of science?

The discussion was whether the Greeks had it all figured out not if enlightenment thinkers did.

>> No.22378158

>>22378146
When did I say they had it all figured out? How was that the discussion we were having?

>> No.22378165

>>22378158
See >>22378079
The underlying faults in both Plato and Aristotle should preclude them from being anymore than the forerunners of current thought. I hope for instance, you don’t think semen is kept in the brain, that there is an “ideal form of a chair” or that all elderly people who procreate should be executed.

>> No.22378176

>>22378125
That's just a really stupid way of looking at philosophy. Descartes thought dumb shit too. Philosophical ideas are just ideas it doesn't matter what other things the people who wrote them thought.

>> No.22378186

>>22378165
But like what does them thinking have to do with their ideas around philosophical concepts?

>> No.22378188

>>22378165
I hope you don't think it's OK to torture cats

>> No.22378191

>>22378186
Two of those are philosophical concepts and also their thoughts on nature are relevant because someone with incorrect ideas of nature isn’t the best basis for your opinions on any other topic or it shouldn’t be at least.

>> No.22378195

>>22378191
But descartes was wrong about stuff to do with nature?

>> No.22378196

>>22378188
I don’t. Descartes isn’t infallible but he is important for being the foundation of the modern world through the enlightenment. Also his criticisms of the Greeks are entirely justified and relevant to this thread. Anything else you mention amounts of whataboutism.

>> No.22378198

>>22378195
See >>22378196

Also the only reason I brought him up was his opinion of the Greeks. Anything else is just whataboutism.

>> No.22378201

>>22378196
I only care about ideas, I don't care if they were Foundation for whatever

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22378206

>>22378201
Okay then that is even better to not care about the Greeks. Better yet, go back to your “ideal chair” which totally exists in a parallel dimension.

>> No.22378208

>>22378198
Why do you hold one man's opinion so highly?

>> No.22378210

>>22378208
His opinion of the Greeks is justified but I see there is no getting to you about that.

>> No.22378212

>>22378206
I like aristotle bitch

>> No.22378216

>>22378210
I agree he gave justification for his opinion, but I don't agree with it

>> No.22378223

>>22378206
This is such a dumb discussion like descartes was influenced by Greek philosophy

>> No.22378232

>>22378066
I'm reading the rubipblec rn and it's a funny haha and girls look at u n go "dam he's smart he's reading the greeks "

>> No.22378242

>>22378223
Inflicted? Yes but he also despised them quite a bit. He has a whole rant against them early in Rules for the Mind and also his break away from Queen Christina was because of her praise for Aristotle iirc. Either way, I was just quoting the one section of Rules as making a good point and then Mr GOTCHA made it “b but Descartes said dumb things toooo”

>> No.22378255

>>22378242
Who fucking cares lol

>> No.22378263

>>22378255
Yes, exactly. Who cares if Descartes cut apart a dog. The Greeks are still morons. Glad you agree on that point.

>> No.22378265

>>22378242
And no other philsopher after him was influenced by the Greeks?

>> No.22378272

>>22378263
That's like the most evil shit ever though, I'm not reading someone who do that to a dog, ill take the semen brain guys

>> No.22378273

>>22378265
See >>22378201
The other poster doesn’t care about influence so he shouldn’t care to read the Greeks either. This discussion is going around in circles.

>> No.22378279

>>22378273
You're the one who cares about influence, the greeks influenced after descartes what are you not getting

>> No.22378282

>>22378272
But Alshyually it wasn’t a “real dog” anyways. It was a copy of the ideal form of a dog which exists outside space and time. ;)

>> No.22378286

>>22378279
Plato and aristotle were more influential over the last 500 years then descartes, descartes was irrelevant by the 1800s

>> No.22378290

>>22378282
I don't like plato, I like aristotle, he debunked the world of forms, you'd notice this if you read him.

>> No.22378293

>>22378286
That’s just factually incorrect. He destroyed Aristotle and the scholastics which is why you christkikes have to shill your garbage on irrelevant shitholes like this place.
>>22378290
I don’t care about either but both are equally irrelevant to the modern world.

>> No.22378296

>>22378293
Youve ever read aristotle how would you know he destroyed him.

>> No.22378299

>>22378296
I read excerpts quoted in the Summa and did not feel him important enough to pursue.

>> No.22378302

>>22378293
They're more relevant then descartes, I mean the body mind shit who even cares about that now

>> No.22378307

>>22378299
Well he is lol

>> No.22378312

>>22378307
Okay.