/clg/ - Classical Languages General

[Anonymous No.22349615]

EDITIO BALNEARIS

>PRIVS FILVM:
>>22307808

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

Feel free to write your thoughts/stories/etc... in your target language.

[Anonymous No.22349621]

>>22349615
Salve!

[Anonymous No.22349625]

>>22349615
>>22349616
>two editions separated by a single post AGAIN
some spooky synchronicity shit going on here

[Anonymous No.22349636]

>>22349615
Where can I buy Greek grammars for cheap?

[Anonymous No.22349686]

>>22349621
Salve, Luci!

[Anonymous No.22349782]

would it be an entirely stupid idea to study Old Norse and Old English at the same time?

[Anonymous No.22349842]

>>22349782
>Old Norse and Old English at the same time?
What's even the difference?

[Anonymous No.22350116]

>>22349636
Idk. Have you tried Amazon?

[Anonymous No.22350156]

>>22349636
Anna's archive

[Anonymous No.22350472]

Anyone know of a physical copy of anything by Ambrose in latin? Try as I might, I can't find anything

[Anonymous No.22350537]

Redpill me on word order.
>corpore sano in mens sana
Is this still a legitimate way to write healthy mind in a healthy body? "In" comes after instead of before but the declension endings are still there.

[Anonymous No.22350599]

>>22350537
eh, poetically maybe you'd see it, but in prose it's basically a no-no
e.g Aeneid with 'ad'
>fata uocant metasque dati peruenit ad aeui

[Anonymous No.22351463]

>>22349615
>The ANE Mega doesn't even have a fucking Ugaritic folder
How the FUCK am I supposed to read the Ba'al Cycle???

[Anonymous No.22351524]

>>22349615
Could I teach myself Latin in one year?

[Anonymous No.22351745]

>>22351524
Are you in a race with someone or just ADHD and impatient?

[Anonymous No.22351760]

>>22351745
No, just curious + need it for courses.

[Anonymous No.22352008]

>>22349621
>>22349686
Idem homo sunt, nonne?

[Anonymous No.22352086]

>>22351524
Only if you aren't a midwit.

[Anonymous No.22352298]

>>22350472
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=SearchFwi-_-SRP-_-Results&ds=20&kn=ambrosius%20latin&n=100121503&pt=book&rollup=on&sortby=17&xpod=on
If link doesn't work search for Ambrosius latin, not Ambrose, click books, not printed on demand, used

[Anonymous No.22352576]

>>22349782
The correspondences between the two languages are easy to spot, but they're different enough that studying both shouldn't cause any confusion.

And honestly, if you wanted to study them sequentially, you could gain great fluency in Old English in just a few months, being an English speaker.

[Anonymous No.22353038]

>>22350537
No, but you could write
>corpore in sano mens sana
I don't think a preposition can come after an entire noun phrase even in poetry, you need to have at least one determiner after it
Maybe someone can find a counterexample

[Anonymous No.22353126]

>>22352008
>Idem homo sunt, nonne?
Minime.

[Anonymous No.22353195]

>>22349615
Somebody help.
I'm trying to read Ovid for the first time, and translations disagree on the first line. One translation is "I want to speak about bodies changed into new forms." Another is "my spirit prompts to tell of forms changed into new bodies." The original Latin is "In nova fert animus mutatas dicere formas corpora." I think it must be forms changing into new bodies since mutatas agrees with formas while nova appears to agree with corpora, but I don't see how the translations can be so different. Can anyone more experienced explain?

[Anonymous No.22353317]

>>22353195
Haven't finished Wheelock but the first is obviously a more free and idiomatic translation, the second a more literal one.

Even when doing translating exercises, if you check the "answer" and it has slightly different words that what you've put that's not necessarily "wrong"; this is language, not mathematics. Free yourself by understanding that understanding is the crucial criteria for success, not whether you matched every word against its Wiktionary definition.

No one here is a 20 year Latin professor who can wield it like a native language. If you deem your reading or translation to have achieved an equivalent meaning, consider that a success. Those two translations of yours are obviously equivalent in meaning and you shouldn't fret about encountering any similar discrepancies as you progress through Ovid.

[Anonymous No.22353367]

>>22352576
I suspected as much, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.22353709]

>>22353317
Seconding this, well put

[Anonymous No.22353845]

LLPSI is so unbelievably dull

please recommend engaging material

[Anonymous No.22353885]

>>22353845
Duolingo is certainly engaging.

[Anonymous No.22353889]

>>22353845
Fabulas Faciles

[Anonymous No.22353890]

>>22353885
So mad they only have modern Greek

[Anonymous No.22353904]

>>22353890
Tbf, what even is the difference? lol

[Anonymous No.22353950]

>>22353904
despite what greek nationalists will tell you, a lot.

[Anonymous No.22353961]

>>22353885
I have finished the entire course. It literally does not progress past the present tense. You learn more in the first 5 chapters of Wheelock. This is not an exaggeration.

[Anonymous No.22354001]

>>22353904
>>22353950
Nationalists know there's a big difference and have arguments for why the course it took is the best. One of the arguments being that British parvenus who try to run stealth operations during the war get caught for thinking Attic Greece won the sea naming rights.

[Anonymous No.22354006]

If I wanted to go through a medieval scholastic education. What books would I need to read to cover the entire Trivium and Quadrivium? I'd prefer historically accurate sources, not modern day books, for everything except Latin and Greek.

So far I have
>Latin and Greek
>Aristotle's Organnon
>Euclid's Elements
>Ptolemy's Almagest

I feel like I'm missing a lot here. Is there anything I need to add?

[Anonymous No.22354009]

>>22353885
The only use for duolingo is to practice reading non-Latin scripts.

[Anonymous No.22354024]

>>22353195
I think it just hinges on whether you interpret that sentence as a hypallage or not.

[Anonymous No.22354313]

>>22354006
Liberal arts:
>Donatus' Ars grammatica is the period source for grammar, but I think it makes sense to use modern textbooks if you don't have a tutor
>Very few people knew Greek, everyone just read Latin translations, it's up to you how authentic you want to be
>Distichs of Cato to practice your Latin, then balls deep into Vergilius
>Porphyrius' Isagoge before Organon
>Organon and every other book by Aristotle
>Cicero: De inventione, Rhetorica ad Herennium, De amicitia, De senectute, De officiis, Somnium Scipionis
>Boethius' Institutiones
>Elements and Almagest as you say
>Optionally, an encyclopedia like Martianus Capella or Isidore of Seville and other works by Cicero, Ovidius, Vergilius, Boethius or Ilias Latina for fun, or popular medieval kinos like Carmina Burana and Legenda aurea
Now you're a magister artium. Realistically just knowing Aristotle and having good Latin composition skills was enough in many places. If you want to be a doctor, choose your path:
Theology:
>Vulgate
>Latin Fathers
>Lombardus' Sententiae
>Sic et non
>Aquinas
>Realize the way to complete the larp is to join a monastic order and get ordained
Medicine:
>Galen
>Avicenna
>Never pick up a surgical instrument in your life, what are you, a tradie?
Law:
>Corpus Iuris Civilis (with commentary by Accursius)
>Corpus Iuris Canonici
>A common law compilation like the Sachsenspiegel if you're German or English
Under no circumstance should you read Plato (except Timaeus) or read anything in Greek other than the Bible or you'll end up accidentally renaissancing yourself

[Anonymous No.22354319]

>>22353126
Non nuntios sed homunculos qui imaginibus apparent eosdem esse dicebam.

[Anonymous No.22354333]

>>22353845

[Anonymous No.22354385]

>>22353317
>Haven't finished Wheelock
lol
>>22353885
>Duolingo
kek
>>22353961
>I have finished the entire course.
LMAO

[Anonymous No.22354386]

>>22354319
>sed homunculos qui imaginibus apparent eosdem esse dicebam.
Ah. I thought you were asking if the posts were made by the same person.

[Anonymous No.22354616]

>>22354313
Don't forget to rote memorize all these books as well. You never know when a bandit will make off with your manuscripts, if you can even afford them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.22355034]

>>22354616
ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.22355066]

>>22353195
The answer is that the first translation is less accurate and it is indeed forms (formas) that have been changed (mutatas) into new bodies (in nova corpora). I don't agree with >>22353317 that both versions would be equally faithful, it's obviously hypallage which is the reason why the change in the first translation is uncalled for.

[Anonymous No.22355166]

>>22355034
ywnbarm, incel

[Anonymous No.22355186]

>>22355066
I didn't even notice that forms and bodies were the other way around (probably because they can be close synonyms in English). I agree that in another situation that is an error that changes the meaning. Eg. men changed into women is a very different thing from women changed into men. You only have to observe the difference between ftms and mtfs to know that lel

[Anonymous No.22356102]

I don't understand why "la" in line 2 and "be" in line 6 are long

[Anonymous No.22356105]

Is Ancient Tamil a Classical language?

[Anonymous No.22356109]

>>22356102
In dactylic hexameter the final syllable is always considered long regardless of its actual quantity. Think of it as a lengthening at the end of a line for dramatic effect.

[Anonymous No.22356120]

>>22356109
I see, thanks

[Anonymous No.22356222]

>>22356105
Some Indians consider it one, it's not typically the case everywhere else. The narrowest and most commonly accepted definition includes Latin, Ancient Greek, Classical Chinese, Classical Arabic and Sanskrit. Perhaps you could get Hebrew and Tamil in there too if you broaden it just a little.

[Anonymous No.22356493]

>>22356105
>>22356222
I would classify classical languages like this:

>The Universally Accepted 5
Classical Latin, Ancient Greek, Classical Sanskrit, Classical Arabic, Classical Chinese

>Old Testament & Levant
Ugaritic, Phoenician, Biblical Hebrew, Imperial Aramaic

>Late Antique Patristics & Medieval Christian Literature
Coptic Egyptian, Classical Syriac, Old Church Slavonic, Classical Ethiopic, Classical Armenian

>Ancient Near East
Middle Egyptian, Hittite, Akkadian, Sumerian, Old Persian

>Islamic Studies
Classical Arabic, Classical Persian, Ottoman Turkish

>Oriental Studies
Sanskrit, Pali, Classical Tibetan, Old Tamil, Classical Chinese

>Celtic
Old Irish, Middle Irish, & Classical Gaelic / Old Welsh, Middle Welsh, & Literary Welsh

>Germanic
Old English, Old Norse, Gothic - possibly some other languages like Old High German, Old Frankish, Old Saxon, etc...

[Anonymous No.22356497]

>>22356493
Seems way too broad. You even included some poorly attested languages like Gothic—what's "classical" about them?

[Anonymous No.22356538]

>>22356497
>Seems way too broad.
I literally just listed the universally accepted ones separately as a more narrow list of only 5. How is that broad?
>what's "classical" about them?
What does that word even mean in this context? If Sanskrit is 'classical' but Pali isn't, then I would want to know what the logic is there. Why isn't Egyptian classical? Why is 'Classical Persian' not 'classical' enough?

I made more than one list for people interested in particular fields. If you are not interested in them, then don't learn them. So simple and will never negatively impact your life at all if someone halfway around the world decides to learn Gothic. I don't particularly care if Gothic is "classical" under a definition that doesn't even include Persian and Egyptian.

[Anonymous No.22356545]

>>22356538
Classical implies a long-established tradition and usage. One translation of the Bible is simply not enough.
Gothic was important to Germanic linguistics at some point in the 20th century. But it's not a classical language, just an extinct one.
As for languages like Egyptian or Sumerian, they were classical languages at one point. They just fell into disuse, unlike the commonly agreed five.

[Anonymous No.22356557]

>>22356545
>They just fell into disuse, unlike the commonly agreed five.
So Egyptian being used for 4500 years and then falling into disuse disqualifies it despite Latin barely being used for 1,500 years? Or do you want to move the goal post again and pick a move convenient criteria to only include the languages that you prefer?

[Anonymous No.22356559]

>>22356557
more* convenient

[Anonymous No.22356616]

>>22356557
Egyptian is fake

[Anonymous No.22356618]

>>22356557
I mean, you could argue that it's the classical language of a bygone civilisation. It doesn't occupy an important place in any extant canon however.

[Anonymous No.22356756]

>>22356493
no Classical Japanese?

[Anonymous No.22357583]

>>22354006
LARP. They would have read much more if they had the chance to access the whole classical corpus.They also didn't know Greek, so if you wanted to LARP as them by reading the Latin translations, why not read English translations instead? Just LARP as an Alexandrian scholar instead

[Anonymous No.22358446]

Is there any way at all to learn declensions without just having to memorize them all? I feel like my reading comprehension is coming along nicely and with more vocabulary that I learn, the Vulgate is becoming more and more understandable, but my own Latin composition is terrible because I forget how words are meant to end.

[Anonymous No.22358577]

>>22356557
I get the feeling these lame shit-stirring arguments are just some loser discord troon who's decided to stakeout /clg/ because "Romans were evil fascists" or some such nonsense.

[Anonymous No.22358672]

>>22358446
lmao what's so difficult about memorising 5 sets of 10?

[Anonymous No.22358693]

>>22358446
seems like you are nowhere near fluent enough to seriously think about composition, especially if you want to write non pig-latin
no offence mind you, I just think you may really want to read more for now, especially get to serious literature comprehension, before composing stuff yourself if you don't even know declensions by heart from just having read enough

[Anonymous No.22358890]

lets learn latin
https://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1691624181740845.webm

[Anonymous No.22358999]

>>22358693
>pig-latin
Ouyay eanmay 'ogday-atinlay'

[Anonymous No.22359005]

>>22358446
Latin accusative forms are usually ended in -m for singulars (rosam, templum, dominum, consulem etc) and -s (like in romance languages that being the mark of the plural) for plurals : rosas, domines, consules
Nominative + accusative is really 99% of the "meat" of the language, other forms can be picked up from usage alone

[Anonymous No.22359194]

>>22358890
yes lets

[Anonymous No.22359770]

>>22350537
Definitely happens in poetry. From the Metamorphoses:
>principio terram [...] magni speciem glomeravit in orbis
>principio terram in speciem magni orbis glomeravit

[Anonymous No.22359800]

>>22353038
See >>22359770
Roman authors just didn't care about rules of any sort when it came to meter lol

[Anonymous No.22360004]

>>22358890
compelling

[Anonymous No.22360013]

>>22358446
>Is there any way at all to learn declensions without just having to memorize them all?
They fit on one fucking piece of paper. One Side. This is your brain on LLPSI

[Anonymous No.22360148]

>>22359800
None of those prepositions seem to be at the end of the period, though.
>>22360013
>This is your brain on LLPSI
That is his brain on contemporary pedagogy, it has nothing to do with a Latin graded reader.

[Anonymous No.22360150]

>>22358890
too bad i only know greek

[Anonymous No.22360611]

learning classical IE languages is just vocabulary and morphology, right?
in terms of memorization the morphology (at least the inflections) seems like a lot less work than the vocabulary
so if I want to learn Latin, ancient Greek and Sanskrit, should I somehow try to integrate the study of their lexicons?
learn PIE roots with reflexes in at least two of them, as well as sound laws, or something?

[Anonymous No.22360629]

>>22359800
>>22360148
ending dactylic hexameter with a monosyllable was highly frowned upon. It gave the meter to much of a staccato rhythm.
They absolutely did care about rules in meter and it shows in their writings.

[Anonymous No.22360635]

>>22360611
>if I want to learn Latin, ancient Greek and Sanskrit
You should study those languages.
PIE roots will help you with comparative linguistics but not so much in acquiring other languages.
Learn Latin and Greek which are similar enough, then Sanskrit

[Anonymous No.22360639]

>>22349615
I genuinely can’t figure out whether to learn Greek or Latin. Both seem just as useful as the other when it comes to literature, after weighing their pros and cons. Someone point me in the right direction please

[Anonymous No.22360646]

>>22360635
I was curious to what if the comparative linguistics (on an intuitive level) itself helps with the learning
I can see how for example, knowing English and German, learning Dutch seems like an absolute joke so I don't even bother
I was wondering to what extent this generalizes to a situation where you know different branches from a rather large, divergent family like IE

[Anonymous No.22360669]

>>22360646
those three are way too divergent for that kind of angle to be any useful in learning the others, english, german and dutch diverged from west germanic relatively recently, Greek, Latin and Sanskrit all around probably diverged around 2500-3000BC
it's a cool exercise for sure to see the consistent phonetic changes but hardly useful to learn them

[Anonymous No.22360681]

>>22360639
Learn Latin, then Greek. Start Greek after you have finished your Latin textbook and study while reading an authentic Latin text.

[Anonymous No.22360695]

>>22360646
It might help with the third language a tiny bit, if at all.
What you are asking is akin to telling someone who wishes to learn Spanish, Italian and French to learn Latin first. Not the best use of one's time. This analogy isn't even that good because as >>22360669 points out Greek, Latin and Sanskrit diverged so long ago that they are radically different from each other.
'integrating lexicons' is an exercise in itself, it will not help you learn other languages very much.
Palmer wrote two excellent books called The Greek Language and The Latin Language which cover both from the perspective of a comparative linguist. Give them a glance and you will quickly see how PIE roots are hardly useful in learning such differing languages.

[Anonymous No.22360730]

b-but... my "hyper, super, upari"...

[Anonymous No.22360804]

I've already done a year of Latin and I'm struggling to find material to do extensive reading with.

I can read stuff like Ovid Metamorphoses really slowly for intensive reading. Would it be worth jumping straight to LLPSI Roma Aeterna for easier reading practice?

[Anonymous No.22360808]

>>22360804
Why the fuck would you do more learning materials when you can read the real thing? What are you interested in? Literally pick any work of philosophy or literature written in Latin bro

[Anonymous No.22360813]

>>22360808
I literally just said, to do extensive reading.

It takes me a really long time to read real Latin, with constantly having to look up vocab I don't know.

I want something I can read faster and for longer right now

[Anonymous No.22360817]

>>22360813
Yes, and if you've been doing it for a year then your extensive reading should still be real texts, is my point.

[Anonymous No.22360821]

>>22360813
try one of these two
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/lhomond.viris.html
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/eutropius/eutropius1.shtml
see how it goes

[Anonymous No.22361173]

>Hic tyrannus ipse demonstravit quam beatus esset

I understand what this is supposed to mean, but why does Cicero use “esset” instead of “fuit” or “erat”?

[Anonymous No.22361233]

>>22361173
indirect questions after interrogative pronouns use the subjunctive

[Anonymous No.22361333]

Are there any greek texbooks specifically for Homer?

[Anonymous No.22361340]

>>22361333
I used JACT's A World of Heroes, you are introduced to Homeric Greek by reading through book 22 of the Iliad + part of 6, guiding you step by step. Assumes you know Attic already to a decent level.

[Anonymous No.22361345]

>>22358446
>but my own Latin composition is terrible because I forget how words are meant to end

Ignore the maladjusted NEETS and demoralization bots shitting on you for no reason. The declensions are hard simply because they seem so arbitrary to us, we don't have the mental scaffolding for an inflected language that comes from daily use. The only answer is time: literally memorize a declension, expose yourself to comprehensible input, put it on a post-it note on your dashboard for when you drive to work.

Learn it, then learn the next one, get it mixed up with what you already know, lose your marbles a little bit...and just keep working on it. After a while "puella/puellae/puellae/puellam/puellā" will seem like second nature, after a long while it goes beyond memorization and becomes instinctive.

[Anonymous No.22362104]

>>22361333
A Reading Course in Homeric Greek
Pharr's Homeric Greek
Monro's Homeric Grammar
all in the Mega

[Anonymous No.22363208]

>>22358446
>>22361345
Composition is hard because of word order. It seems despite the rules to be very freeform, but I also feel like an imposter whenever I write anything.

[Anonymous No.22363257]

>>22361333
Definitely look into Pharr's Homeric Greek

[Anonymous No.22363305]

>>22349615
Any anons here think Peter Avery's translation of The Conference of the Birds is a good one? Is there a better translation?

[Anonymous No.22363501]

>>22358890
gratias tibi ago magistra certe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4hP4nSxtSA

[Anonymous No.22363876]

>>22363501
finna read llpsi so i can make youtube videos in broken latin and call my self "magister"

[Anonymous No.22363919]

>>22356493
Old Irish and middle Irish really aren't that different to most modern non-caighdean Irish. So long as you know classical Latin pronunciation, you can read it. Most of the forms that modern Irish supposedly doesn't use have artifacts in modern Irish, so if you couldn't understand their use in old Irish, then you probably won't understand a lot of phrases or grammar in modern Irish. There's some shifts in meanings, but incredibly few to the point middle French to modern French is probably a better comparison for Old Irish to Modern. Even with primitive Irish, what would hold you back is your knowledge of ogham script and Latin grammar more than anything

[Anonymous No.22363923]

Te feci. Te confringam.

[Anonymous No.22364199]

utinam liber fuisset romae aeternae similis qui mores historiamque romanam simplici oratione explicet. primum capitulum romae aeternae tale fuit, sequentia vero minime.

[Anonymous No.22364201]

>>22364199
>fuisset
*esset

[Anonymous No.22364301]

why not just study Italian instead of Latin? It's pretty much the same, but one has usage rn

[Anonymous No.22364359]

>>22364199
>>22360821

[Anonymous No.22364470]

>>22364301
Italian is to Latin what African Pidgin is to English

[Anonymous No.22364496]

>>22364470
Dante refined Italian into a superior language.

[Anonymous No.22364504]

>>22364496
also dante mogs every classical roman poet

[Anonymous No.22364509]

>>22364504
/clg/ will hate the truth. Italian flows beautifully, Latin is too rigid.

[Anonymous No.22364542]

>>22364301
based rolling release language user

[Anonymous No.22364728]

>>22364199
Estne hic liber quem quaeris? https://geoffreysteadman.com/fabulae-ab-urbe-condita/
> why not just study Italian instead of Latin? It's pretty much the same,
Italian students who have to take Latin classes to read Caesar beg to differ.

[Anonymous No.22364736]

>>22364728
English part for >>22364301

[Anonymous No.22365831]

Διογένης Λαέρτιος is nice and smooth to read

[Anonymous No.22366862]

>>22364199
Liber de viris illustribus a Lhomond
https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/lhomond.html

[Anonymous No.22366907]

After almost a year and a half of learning Latin I still know shit about it.

[Anonymous No.22366913]

>>22364542
ArchLatinx win again.

[Anonymous No.22366941]

>>22366907
I'm only a few months in and I'm already reading Ovid.

[Anonymous No.22367000]

>>22366941
How do people manage to learn 20k words in less than one year

[Anonymous No.22367003]

>>22367000
I meant reading (understanding the grammar but needing a dictionary for every other line)

[Anonymous No.22367302]

>>22363501
Most tone deaf group of people I've ever seen in my life.

[Anonymous No.22367364]

>>22349615
Which language is easier to learn? Latin or ancient greek?

[Anonymous No.22367369]

>>22367000
>How do people manage to learn 20k words in less than one year
Constant studying, like, obsessive.

[Anonymous No.22367418]

>>22367302
>group of people
remedium tuum accipite

[Anonymous No.22367489]

>>22367364
Latin, unless you already know modern Greek.

[Anonymous No.22367496]

>>22367364
I only did the former so I don't know. I wouldn't call Latin hard though, you memorise the grammar and then it's a constant uphill battle with your lack of vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.22367499]

>>22367000
The Anon you replied to clarified, but 20k Latin words might be doable if you already speak a Romance language and English.

[Anonymous No.22367501]

>>22367364
whichever you learn second

[Anonymous No.22367503]

>Suprā oculōs frōns est. īnfrā oculōs genae sunt.
>Caput est super collum. Sub collō est pectus.
what did hoeberg mean by the usage of super/sub vs supra/infra here?

[Anonymous No.22367519]

>>22349615
I plan to start learning Latin soon. Starting with a 6 months project with the following materials:
> Ranieri - Dowling method
Basically rote memorize the tables and then going for the LLPSI comprehensible input
> Gramática Latina - Napoleão Mendes de Almeida
Basically what is shilled in my country as the best Latin grammar available. His Portuguese Grammar is top tier, and they say that his Latin one is even better, so that's the reason I chose it.
What do you guys think? Would you add anything?

[Anonymous No.22367534]

>>22367519
just get a textbook and stick to it
what does 'plan to start learning soon' even mean? either learn or don't

[Anonymous No.22367539]

>>22367534
>just get a textbook and stick to it
That's what the Gramática is for, dummy.
>what does 'plan to start learning soon' even mean? either learn or don't
It means that in a week or two, I'll have more time to take on the project. Quite easy to understand actually,

[Anonymous No.22367543]

>>22367503
I think he tries to show that supra/infra doesn't imply direct contact, whereas the meaning of super/sub is broader. But it's not a big difference and should come naturally with extensive reading, like over/on in English.

>>22367519
> Ranieri - Dowling method
Ranieri gets clowned on to no end here, and for "his" "method" in the wider internet as well.
I would recommend not going down that road, especially as you already know a Romance language and won't get confused about concept like verb conjugation and grammatical gender.
I straight up read LLPSI and looked up grammar points that were unclear, and it was fine.
You can take a peek at a grammar before each chapter, but rote memorization of the tables seems like a giant waste of time.

[Anonymous No.22367605]

>>22367003

[Anonymous No.22367792]

>Nec modo pede, sed etiam capite aeger est.
Not only with respect to the foot, but also the head he is injured.

[Anonymous No.22367854]

>>22349615
Foreigners speaking Greek is atrocious, your accents are retarded. Stop doing it

[Anonymous No.22367869]

>>22354001
>there's a big difference
In what sense? It's the same language and mostly intelligible
See Heggarty et al 2023 for a scientific linguistic approach. Even Mycenaean can be often understood, 3500+ years ago

[Anonymous No.22367893]

>>22367792
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22367898]

>>22367792
capite is the ablative of caput, if that is what you're asking

[Anonymous No.22367903]

>>22367854
Do I get a pass as a Spaniard?

[Anonymous No.22367911]

>>22367854
>Firiignirs spiiking Griik is itrociiis,yiir iccints ir ritirdid. Stip diing it.

[Anonymous No.22367933]

>>22367903
Yes, and vice versa
Very similar phonology

>>22367911
Are you referring to the hypothetical simplification of ai/ei etc to i from ancient Greek? Nobody speaks ancient Greek nowadays so idk what you're on about anon. Even some non-Greeks who do in youtube vids have terrible accents simply out of habit of being angloid speakers, often of the american category (yikes!)

[Anonymous No.22367989]

>>22355066
>in nova corpora
Not any of these guys but when I read it I have trouble connecting these words together

[Anonymous No.22367997]

>>22367989
Why?

[Anonymous No.22368001]

>>22367519
>> Ranieri - Dowling method
This is a diligence trap. Unironically, just get any textbook, graded reader or you can even just do what people did in the Middle Ages to learn Latin and you would be better off. You will learn your declensions much easier by just reading Latin, by studying some in particular and doing simple readings you will get it in your head how to do them. No need to sit yourself down and grind them out for hours when you will learn them anyway by doing just any Latin textbook or reader.

[Anonymous No.22368008]

>>22367997
I don't know, I just can't do it.

[Anonymous No.22368010]

>>22349615
هل يمكنه لاي احد ان تتكلم بلعربي هنا؟

[Anonymous No.22368018]

>>22367997
not him but maybe because periods and their words look like they were intermixed and scattered all over the place? It takes a long while to get used to those hyperbatons

[Anonymous No.22368028]

>>22368001
is that how you learned them? because you did it, right?

[Anonymous No.22368031]

>>22368028
not him, but yes, I got a textbook and studied and read. Simple sentences to more complex structures to paragraphs to entire works.
'muh Youtuber Magic Methods' are a joke. Get a textbook and read, it is that simple.

[Anonymous No.22368032]

I didn't like the Bucolica much
are the Georgica better?

[Anonymous No.22368059]

>>22368032
No one here reads except for that one anon who likes Plautus and republican spelling.

[Anonymous No.22368061]

>>22368031
That sounds like the youtuber inpoot no-grammar natural meme method.

[Anonymous No.22368137]

>>22354009
No. The true use of Duolingo is to jack off to the purple-haired goth and the genki muslim bitch.

[Anonymous No.22368289]

Are there any other Greek courses like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLe1GhR5l0E&list=PLO3VwXPRtV3yHbCsWoGCxEkBsDoXNkpMq

I like this one but she publishes a video every two months at most.

[Anonymous No.22368331]

>>22367854
>vi vi

[Anonymous No.22368342]

>>22368289
my friend you will never read plato by watching youtube videos. pick up a textbook.

[Anonymous No.22368358]

milesne Crassi coniuge barbara
turpis maritus vixit et hostium —
pro curia inversique mores! —
consenuit socerorum in armis
sub rege Medo Marsus et Apulus
anciliorum et nominis et togae
oblitus aeternaeque Vestae,
Incolumi Iove et urbe Roma?

[Anonymous No.22368398]

>>22368342
I have never touched a textbook. I just watched all these videos + read https://seumasjeltzz.github.io/LinguaeGraecaePerSeIllustrata/

After some months I can read the Septuagint just fine; I lack vocabulary so sometimes I have to use a dictionary, but that's it. So I call bullshit.

An immersive method makes things x10 faster than the cringey textbook method. I still suck but I know more Greek than people that have been studying it in university for two years.

[Anonymous No.22368495]

>>22368331
Refer to >>22367933

[Anonymous No.22368505]

>>22368398
that's fine but septuagint is pretty far away from classical authors so my point stands

[Anonymous No.22368509]

>>22368495
Also, isnt this a dipthong change? Its not an accent change, since I can just add an umlaut in ει, οι etc and pronounce them in the same accent.
Non-Greeks (spaniards excluded) can't do that even if they mimic the pronounciation. Their accent remains

[Anonymous No.22368554]

>>22368509
nvm found this
>According to others, the best rule is, to observe how the ancient Greeks expressed the sounds made by particular animals. This rule is, to say the least, very ridiculous, because dogs and sheep are hardly teachers of articulate sounds, and because there are as many ways of expressing the sound made by any animal, as there are nations upon the face of the earth. The frog, for example, in ancient Greek sings βρεκεκεκὲξ κοάξ, κοάξ, in modern Greek, μπάκα κάκα, in English, croak croak.
from 1840
Does anyone have a source on securely reconstructing phonological change?

>>22353950
phonologically it's basically zero. you can argue about some simplifications in diphthongs (natural in languages, occurred in english too) but the vast majority has been the exact same. You can hear it in every reconstructed pronounciation of ancient greek, even homeric greek, 90% of pronounciation is the same as in modern greek.
α, β, χ, σ, ου, δ, μ, λ and so on. Accent also apparently the same
Never understood the fuss about it, are linguists just niggers?

[Anonymous No.22368567]

>>22368554
>phonologically it's basically zero.
craft your shitposts more carefully if you have to LARP as a braindead greek nationalist, this is too obvious

[Anonymous No.22368581]

>>22368567
I dont observe any differences in how individual letters are pronounced in the reconstructions I've found online, care to point me at the ones you have in mind?

[Anonymous No.22368585]

>>22368581
(also how is this related to nationalism? I know several ultranationalist Greeks and I am one myself, but most will accept that ancient Greek is not unchanged from modern, just like I do and is obvious)
what does "nationalism" mean in english and how is it related to language? I find it weird

[Anonymous No.22368613]

>>22368581
you don't "observe" because you have no clue about ancient Attic pronunciation, you could've just looked at the wikipedia table in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet to know how wrong you are
ει and ου aren't even diphthongs but /e:/ and /o:/(or /u:/ if you follow the slightly less conservative pronunciation)
multiple actual diphthongs as well as η and υ all collapse to simple /i/ in modern Greek, phonemic vowel length is lost, pitch accent is lost, multiple consonants are wholly different i.e aspirated are lost and generally become fricative, etc...

[Anonymous No.22368624]

>>22368585
or others are not at all interested in ancient greeks and simply want to expand the borders, often on grounds of irredentism from post-1500s
not sure what this has to do with accent of ancient greek compared to modern. An ancient diphthong for example I heard on a homeric reconstruction video is prononounced like a modern αϊ if it existed. Same pronounciation of both letters
That's what I'm saying, foreigners have preexisting accents and fuck it up. You will never be greeks, ancient or modern and all that, is true in this case
not sure why butthurt over it. My icelandic or german would be atrocious too, I can correctly pronounce only Spanish and maybe Italian/Latin

[Anonymous No.22368635]

>>22368613
Yes anon, can you point me to a video that explains this in sound? In every video I've seen (homeric reconstruction mainly) the accent of letters is the same. That's what I'm saying. Maybe their accent was so bad that they couldn't express the accent correctly idk
Or is the difference so small that it's basically unintelligible to an untrained ear?

[Anonymous No.22368661]

>>22368635
you must have fucked up ears to think this
https://ia800104.us.archive.org/27/items/odyssey01_1711_librivox/odyssey01_01_homer_64kb.mp3 (go around 0:53) is in the same accent/phonology as this https://youtube.com/watch?v=UdyXlUmD3v4

[Anonymous No.22368673]

>>22368661
My original post wasn't about comparing modern greek and ancient greek at all btw, you can see it here (fact) >>22367854
So I'm not actually disagreeing with you, but simply asking for examples on what you're saying, which is a different argument tham the one I made initially. You sound like an incel throwing a tantrum for no reason
Lemme listen and report back

[Anonymous No.22368700]

>>22368673
>>22368661
You're right, there are more differences than I remember, for example φ (not including digamma ofc)
So it's less than 90% for sure. The dude has nice accent too, far superior to most I've heard.
The AI voice had weird pronounciation as well btw

[Anonymous No.22368706]

>>22366907
I've been at it on and off for at least five years. I know nothing and it feels like I will never be able to comfortably read real Latin.

[Anonymous No.22368726]

>>22368706
How comfortable are we talking? Can you get through, say, Caesar slowly? It's much easier on the second go.

[Anonymous No.22368761]

[Anonymous No.22368904]

>>22368726
>Can you get through, say, Caesar slowly? It's much easier on the second go.

Yes, I've gone through Caesar slowly. Gone through DBG twice, even. But every real text is painfully slow.

[Anonymous No.22368917]

>>22368904
And poetry is utterly inscrutable, even if though I can mark long and short syllables and understand the scansion.

[Anonymous No.22368933]

>>22368904
c-commentaries isn't a real text?

[Anonymous No.22368965]

>>22368917
I'm wondering whether there's a single person that can fluently read and understand unseen authentic classical Latin poetry.
And if someone makes it that far, there's probably little authentic Latin left that he hasn't already seen.

[Anonymous No.22369297]

>>22368965
>fluently read and understand unseen authentic classical Latin poetry
I don't think there's a point where you can understand ALL the unseen Latin poetry on the fly, since you may always find some very obscure words of which only survive few instances. As you said, to learn to read Latin poetry you need to read Latin poetry, so probably the only way to read a literary text in a "completely fluent" fashion is to have studied (i. e. read) it before. (Or maybe you can mine its unknown vocabulary before reading it?)

The funny thing is that this is true with modern languages, too. No native English speaker, or no native Italian speaker, to mention two examples, can flawlessly read Shakespeare or Dante for the first time without never having to make use of a dictionary, since many words or even grammatical constructions may have changed their meaning or not being used anymore. This happen even with contemporary authors, if they chose to employ some piece of antiquated or unorthodox vocabulary.

I actually wonder, if it even possible to completely and fluently read and understand any piece of literature in a modern language? This may be possible with colloquial speech, but regarding a corpus literary texts that span over a few centuries, I'm not that sure.

[Anonymous No.22369310]

>>22368358
I feel like I'm having a stroke.

[Anonymous No.22370463]

bump

[Anonymous No.22370691]

>>22368613
>Since the 1970s and 1980s, several scholars have attempted a systematic re-evaluation of the inscriptional and papyrological evidence (Smith 1972, Teodorsson 1974, 1977, 1978; Gignac 1976; Threatte 1980, summary in Horrocks 1999). According to their results, many of the relevant phonological changes can be dated fairly early, reaching well into the classical period, and the period of the Koiné can be characterised as one of very rapid phonological change. Many of the changes in vowel quality are now dated to some time between the 5th and the 1st centuries BC, while those in the consonants are assumed to have been completed by the 4th century AD. However, there is still considerable debate over precise dating, and it is still not clear to what degree, and for how long, different pronunciation systems would have persisted side by side within the Greek speech community. The resulting majority view today is that a phonological system roughly along Erasmian lines can still be assumed to have been valid for the period of classical Attic literature, but biblical and other post-classical Koine Greek is likely to have been spoken with a pronunciation that already approached that of Modern Greek in many crucial respects.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology

Doesn't this play right in the hand of Nationalists, though? They don't care about the changes as long as they aren't recent.

[Anonymous No.22371756]

There's now a competition on to read the remains of the scrolls from the library of Herculaneum: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/15/contest-decipher-herculaneum-scrolls-3d-x-ray-software

[Anonymous No.22371765]

>>22371756
nice to see classics get some love in the stem fields

[Anonymous No.22371780]

>>22371756
>>22371765
I should have posted the offical site: https://scrollprize.org/

[Anonymous No.22372108]

Quisquis invenerit interpretationem illorum verba mortem non experientur.
Is 'illorum' the right word to use here? It should be "these words" but online translations (which are all bad) give me "those words"

[Anonymous No.22372123]

>>22372108
what looks wrong here is verba, should be verborum
"those words" is fine, hic and iste are more proximate than ille
these(right here) words = horum verborum

[Anonymous No.22372153]

>>22372123
okay, I understand now why that's being used. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.22372314]

Huh you really do get used to hyperbaton
I'm reading Ovid quite a bit faster than at the beginning

[Anonymous No.22372440]

Italian sisters.....

[Anonymous No.22372605]

>>22372440
kek. where is that from?

[Anonymous No.22372609]

>>22372440
>>22372605
never mind.png

[Anonymous No.22373243]

>>22356493
Arguably, Chaghtai Turkish was more important that Ottoman. Also, Islamic Studies was a subdivision of Oriental Studies, and Persian was probably spoken more in India than anywhere else. Old school orientalists, for all their faults, would have known some Latin and Greek, and many knew Arabic and Sanskrit regardless of their specialty. It's mindboggling how many languages some of them knew. I came across one guy who knew Classical Arabic and Persian, modern Persian, Classical Syriac, Urdu, and two dialects of Kurdish, and wrote textbooks for most of them.

[Anonymous No.22373248]

Does anyone have advice for learning two classical languages at once? I'm trying to split my time between Babylonian and Latin and I keep getting burntout or feel overworked.

[Anonymous No.22373274]

>>22373248
This isn't advice for multiple languages specifically but burnout in general: if you're getting tired, re-read texts you already know. You'll be encouraged by your sight reading progress and might even make new grammar gains you missed the first time through.

[Anonymous No.22373465]

>>22368010
It's not like there are great resources for Classical Arabic these days. Arabic teaching is a total mess.

[Anonymous No.22373807]

whats the best method for learning a dead classical language?

[Anonymous No.22374029]

>>22373807
being born 2000 years ago

[Anonymous No.22374576]

>>22373807
Using every resource available and studying every day

[Anonymous No.22375289]

>Syra Iuliam aspicit: puella tam crassa est quam canis sua
Is crassa Julia canon? She's never drawn very fat

[Anonymous No.22375292]

>>22375289
No idea, but doesn't one of the chapters explicitly state that she's not pretty?

[Anonymous No.22375301]

>>22375292
her brothers make fun of her ugly nose, a nod to her being the secret love child of Syra and Julius

[Anonymous No.22375304]

>>22375301
How do you keep someone's maternity a secret

[Anonymous No.22375306]

>>22375304
from the neighbors

[Anonymous No.22375329]

>>22375289
>She's never drawn very fat
Not by American standards, maybe.

[Anonymous No.22375334]

> Aleph with Beth's last lesson was uploaded two weeks ago, and that was just a recap of a short story
> Last proper lesson was uploaded one (1) month ago
It's over, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.22375441]

>>22375289
CVNNICVLA

[Anonymous No.22375720]

>>22351463
I just organized my computer's folders. I'll make a big upload soon.

[Anonymous No.22375914]

>>22375289
Did you edit that? I don't remember Julia being so ugly in the face

[Anonymous No.22376100]

>>22375914
in chapter 7 she's fat and has a iudaeus nose, like Syra

[Anonymous No.22377182]

>>22376100
Syra is a Greek slave.

[Anonymous No.22377443]

>>22368010
بتحكى لهج شامية؟
Don't learn Classical Arabic if you want to communicate with Arabs. I've wasted 4 years on it, I'm happy that I can read the Quran or the Bible in Arabic, but in daily life while speaking with Arabs I use Hebrew/English, no one wants to speak MSA

[Anonymous No.22377638]

>>22356756
Nah. Chinese was the prestige language in Japan for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.22377659]

>>22367911
based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.22377674]

>>22371765
One of my profs is involved in this. He might be working on this particular project. He was the first guy to read an ancient text with this method, and that was in 2020.

[Anonymous No.22377709]

>>22368010
why the fuck is arabic text so god damn tiny. if you're a native reader of arabic is that legible? i have to squint just see the shit

[Anonymous No.22377930]

>>22377182
you mean she's (((Graeca)))

[Anonymous No.22378316]

>>22375289
>fat shaming
I'm glad Orberg is being cancelled. Dammatio memoriae, as they would call it.

[Anonymous No.22379324]

If the technology from >>22371756 works out, what are you most hoping for that they find in the library, Anons? Both Greek and Latin.

It has to have been published before 79, obviously, so no Tacitus, for example.
And, even though I would love to have access to another ancient novel, we will probably at most get a few sentence fragments. Or maybe >>22377674 can tell us more.
In light of that, we can at best hope for a few short poems.
Finding parts of the complete Satyricon would be amazing as well, short fragments might be enough to reconstruct a plot and establishing the order of the remaining fragments.

[Anonymous No.22379463]

>>22379324
>what are you most hoping for that they find in the library, Anons? Both Greek and Latin.
The fucking rules of the ludus latrunculorum and the petteia (if those weren't the same game).

[Anonymous No.22379475]

>>22379463
Would be cool, but there's little reason to suspect that a written down set of rules ever made it to a library, no?
New players surely just learned the rules from other players.

[Anonymous No.22379544]

>>22379324
I'd love to get more complete poems from Sappho.
A lost dialogue from Aristotle would be the holy grail.

[Anonymous No.22379581]

>>22379544
>>22379463
Pipe dreams unfortunately
Most Herculaneum scrolls are philosophical, especially Epicurean in nature so most likely obscure texts from various Epicureans. Some Stoic writings as well. Possibly more near-contemporary works such as Seneca, Petronius, or Rufus.

[Anonymous No.22379631]

>>22379581
> Most Herculaneum scrolls are philosophical, especially Epicurean in nature so most likely obscure texts from various Epicureans.
The way I understand it, this is the case for scrolls recovered from a staging area, because the library was being evacuated during the eruption. The library itself remains untouched, but hopefully won't stay that way for long, if we have methods to read charred scrolls. Whether there's anything usable left to excavate is another question.
The narrow focus of the texts seen so far might be due to the crates standing around only containing a single shelf of the library.

t. amateur who doesn't know shit about archeology

[Anonymous No.22379664]

>>22379631
>read the t. amateur part of this post first while scrolling
>scroll back up to read post
>expecting to see archaeologist laying into some guy who doesn't know shit about archaeology and calling him a fucking retard
>realize it's a friendly exchange between two people, one of whom is just being self-effacing and modest
>somehow disappointed
What has 4chan done to me?

[Anonymous No.22379676]

Post a line or short excerpt you read and liked recently.
>uer erat aeternum, placidique tepentibus auris
>mulcebant Zephyri natos sine semine flores.

[Anonymous No.22379681]

>>22379664
the 20's are the live love laugh century and /clg/ is it's brightest beacon

[Anonymous No.22379713]

>>22379681
> the 20's
> century

[Anonymous No.22380073]

>>22379713
my bad

[Anonymous No.22380307]

>opperior
>operor
>operio
dicite quo differant verba dictionario inconsulto

[Anonymous No.22380458]

>>22380307
Constat primum ex praepositione "ob" factum esse, nec reliqua, propter istas duas consonantes; posterum, verbo "opus" finitimum; postremum, verbo "tego" synonymum.

[Anonymous No.22380999]

>>22379475
I'm hoping for a recorded game with some commentary, or some piece of literature more explicit about the rules than the Laus Pisonis.

[Anonymous No.22381686]

Hello everyone, it's Ethiopianon, the maintainer of the ANE MEGA. I have made an update to the MEGA. This is only a partial update.
I still am in /clg/, as indicated by an earlier reply, but I do not participate much anymore.
>t. Ethiopianon

[Anonymous No.22382188]

>>22381686
Umm Sabaic & Ugaritic??? I'm thinking based

[Anonymous No.22382426]

>>22381686
Gratias tibi ago, o bone Aethiops.

[Anonymous No.22383538]

Has anyone checked out Logos (the new book that calls itself lgpsi)?

[Anonymous No.22383548]

estne facile linguas semiticas discere?

[Anonymous No.22383708]

am i the only one who struggles with writing latin but can easily read it?

[Anonymous No.22383775]

>>22383708
same but with greek

[Anonymous No.22383794]

>>22383708
mmh maybe not, despite starting with Latin and having read more, I find my mind has an easier time composing Greek

[Anonymous No.22383809]

>>22383708
Languages have 4 skills
Reading
Writing
Speaking
Listening

and you have to practice all of them

[Anonymous No.22383829]

>>22383809
to be honest i only care about reading for latin

[Anonymous No.22383982]

>>22383708
No. Composition is an entirely different skill.

[Anonymous No.22384117]

>>22383548
Grammatica Hebraica facilis mihi videtur, at omnia vocabula ab initio (id est non per similitatem sermonis patrii) discenda sunt. Linguam Arabicam et vocabulis et grammatica difficillimam esse puto.

[Anonymous No.22385184]

rūsum

[Anonymous No.22386317]

>>22384117
avunculus meus linguam hebraicam casus non habere, sed tria numera dixit, Linguam babylonicam tres casus et numera scio, et quaero cur hebraica casus perdidit ut aliae linguae in Europa.

[Anonymous No.22386464]

>>22349615
What are some good resources for Literary Tibetan?

[Anonymous No.22386616]

>>22349615
Are there any sub-Saharan African classical languages with traditions independent from Christianity/Islam? So not Ge'ez or stuff like that. I'll accept even oral traditions, if there are recordings and/or a lot of speakers.

[Anonymous No.22386749]

>>22386317
Iudaeis secare extremam partem rerum semper placuit, maxime si superfluae videtur.

[Anonymous No.22386752]

>>22386616
Yoruba, Hausa, Swahili, Zulu.

[Anonymous No.22386759]

>>22386464
I've said this to people before, but the easiest way to go about this if you can't find resources or people with resources is to skip to the bottom of the Wikipedia page for that language to where it says "references", "further reading", or "extra links". There are usually citations for textbooks, grammars, etc. You can also do the same with Wiktionary entries of certain words as specific dictionaries may be cited as sources for the definitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Tibetan#References

[Anonymous No.22386839]

>>22386616
Manding, Malagasy

[Anonymous No.22386924]

>>22386752
>>22386839
What are the great literary works of those languages?

[Anonymous No.22387139]

>>22386924
Mup Da Doo

[Anonymous No.22387151]

>Mēnsī prīmō et mēnsī tertiō ā deīs nōmina sunt
what's the best literal understanding of the ablative "a deis"? ablative of time as in "after the gods" or association with the gods or something else?

[Anonymous No.22387187]

>>22387151
ablative of source

[Anonymous No.22387245]

>>22373243
>Persian was probably spoken more in India than anywhere else
Hindustani seems to have risen to prominence alongside it so it seem it could still be a more of a secondary language there compared to its prevalence throughout the Khorasani core.

[Anonymous No.22387305]

>>22373248
Maybe languages with overlapping traditions if not doing related registers of them from different time periods or regions.

So there's overlap between South Asian languages with the variety of Prakrits and New Indo-Aryan languages with their own historical literary traditions, and which have much related vocabulary established within eastern and Southeast Asian languages. There' also the overlap to consider between the likes of Arabic, Syriac, and Persian, Hebrew and Aramaic, Greek and Latin, Persian with Turkish and Hindustani, ancient Levantine and Mesapotamian languages, different stages of the Egyptian language and so forth.

So the point would be that finding things with some substantial connection to each other can provide for a more cohesive and efficient experience.

[Anonymous No.22387450]

>>22379324
What can be found from Herculaneum and other sites remains to be seen. Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in jars, so anything is possible. You can definitely expect more than a few short poems. These are big jars, not message-containing liquor bottles.

[Anonymous No.22387470]

>>22349615
Could someone give me a synopsis regarding the Coptic language/writing, please?

[Anonymous No.22387765]

>>22379324
Most likely they're all simply more copies of The Illiiad

[Anonymous No.22387788]

Athenaze bros... do you study only the main vocab list, or do you also study the text-specific words underneath the text that are needed for your translation?

[Anonymous No.22388092]

>>22387788
back then when I made my Athenaze Anki deck I'd start with the vocabulary list at the end of the chapter but also sometimes add those words from the text I deemed important; typically the two should overlap but I recall some verbs presented during the chapter not appearing in the list

[Anonymous No.22388116]

>few months ago
>sign up Latin I and II Summer courses
>only option I have for Latin is online courses
>zoom bullshit feels like we're fish inside different fishbowls
>Latin I is 3 tests and a final
>across three whole weeks
>"wow everyone, I want to congratulate you all on keeping up with the fastest latin semester ever. you know they cut it down from four weeks to blah blah blah..."
>HHREHRHRREFGTFGH
>all the other kids are literally highschool kids that live at home with their parents wiping their ass
>I have a whole house to take care of
>feel fucking dead after it's over
>it's okay I'll take latin 2 in spring
>"six months is a long time to forget..." says professor prune
Well now I need to review 17 chapter of Wheellock but at least I have a reasonable time. At least I made an A.

[Anonymous No.22388357]

>>22388092
but fren the Athenaze website already has an anki-deck to download. Why make your own?

[Anonymous No.22388512]

>>22388357
has it? didn't know that, in any case I used the Italian one and made an Italian deck, it was a good exercise in of itself

[Anonymous No.22388859]

>>22386924
I dot understand why you are too lazy to just look up "Swahili iterature" or " Yoruba mythology" on Google. If you just want to bait people so you can make nignog jokes, maybe go to /his/ and post in IQ map or a grass hut. I hear they are taking /pol/ refugees these days.

[Anonymous No.22389552]

>Finish Wheelock's feeling pretty accomplished
>Start the Loci Antiqui
>Can barely read any of it
>Can't even look up official translations because the passages have been modified

mihi confectus est?

[Anonymous No.22390158]

>>22388859
>Yoruba mythology
not literature
>Swahili iterature
not classical
I know you love niggers and defend them at every opportunity but they are not suitable for this thread. Before replying think hard about what a classical language is.

[Anonymous No.22390615]

>>22389552
did you do the all of the exercises in the main book, and the corresponding chapters with exercises in the actual Workbook and Scribes and Scribblers? (+ Wheellock Anki Deck, and custom anki for facts?)
It takes me atleast a week to complete 1 chapter in all 3 books and to make and study my anki

[Anonymous No.22390838]

>>22390158
>nigger
>nigger
>nigger
Why do all the people I know who are successful in life never waste even a second of their lives spamming this word and yet all the people I know who have never had sex love this word? I'm noticing a pattern...

[Anonymous No.22390951]

>>22390838
He said it once, which hardly counts as spamming. You're overreacting.

[Anonymous No.22391289]

>>22390838
Do successful people go on angry rants about /pol/ when someone asks about African literature?

[Anonymous No.22391307]

>>22349615
Does anyone know a good book that can teach me how to read?

[Anonymous No.22391600]

>Read Loeb with Greek + English as a crib
>Keep rereading until you 100% understand the Greek without the English
Will this actually help reading Greek? I've seen it recommended.

[Anonymous No.22392011]

I've recently started studying Latin An Intensive Course - Moreland & Fleischer, and so far it's good, but the exercises don't have any solutions, so how do I know I'm doing them fine?
The mega doesn't seem to have any pdfs with exercises. What do I do, bros? I want to practise.
In case it's necessary for context, my only intro to Latin has been Duolingo (which is very limited) and I speak Spanish, English and German.

[Anonymous No.22392036]

>>22392011
https://www.u.arizona.edu/~jbausch1/MF/

[Anonymous No.22392087]

>>22392011
>>22392036
>https://www.u.arizona.edu/~jbausch1/MF/
The links inside didn't work but I found a PDF that does. Thanks anyway.
For anyone interested: https://usuaris.tinet.cat/jfuste/01/M&F_Key.pdf

[Anonymous No.22392486]

>>22391600
depends on the text i suppose but with a straight forward prose writer such as plutarch i've found it really effective, that is, if you have a strong core vocabulary

[Anonymous No.22392507]

>>22389552
I finished all of Wheelock in a month. You're just stupid.

[Anonymous No.22392521]

>>22390838
what is Swahili for "ad hominem"?

[Anonymous No.22393096]

doesnt that piss you off how much knowledge we have lost from the ancient world ?

[Anonymous No.22393226]

>>22393096
Or have we?
>>22371780

[Anonymous No.22393805]

>>22393096
A little but I'm more thankful we have anything at all. There are so many works that survived by the proverbial skin of their teeth, in a single dusty moldy manuscript or by a twist of fate.
I recommend a book called Scribes and Scholars. It is a fairly thorough though not exhaustive account of how classical works made their way from antiquity to the Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.22394015]

>>22393805
>Scribes and Scholars
will definitely take a look

[Anonymous No.22394840]

What do you guys think about the utility (or lack of) of using Anki?

[Anonymous No.22395110]

>>22391289
Shouldn't you be posting pictures of decapitated children and complaining about interracial porn somewhere else where people give a shit?

[Anonymous No.22395864]

>>22394840
eh idk, I've been using it without missing a day for years, both with new decks as well as constantly reviewing the same ones, it's almost like a daily little workout, I think it won't hurt but shouldn't be necessary if you are studying actively or reading otherwise, but if you are perhaps going through periods of pause for whatever reason, it won't hurt to do a little tiny review everyday

[Anonymous No.22395891]

What's the point of learning a dead language besides autism? I can understand a Greek or Italian or Anglo learning a previous dialect form of their languages and heritage and all that but someone else doing it, or doing it for a different language is meaningless devotion of time into literal nothingness.
You are gay.

[Anonymous No.22395960]

>>22394840
bros, how do I type a macron (a "-") on my letters with ease? Its so annoying it take me like 5-10 secs for each occurence

[Anonymous No.22396013]

>>22395960
on linux there's the so called compose key which you can set to enter special characters, not sure if there's something similar on windows
makes it super easy even with a single hand, compose key + "-" key + vowel you want the macron on

[Anonymous No.22396136]

>>22396013
I am on Mac. I can only hold the respective letter down to open a menu which I can choose the macron on. Problem is that in anki, this holding down action will still type the letter for its duration. Thus I will have to hold down the key, select the right letter, and delete about 10-15 spammed letters. Really annoying that anki does not support this feature.

[Anonymous No.22396145]

>>22394840
It can help keep vocabulary fresh in your mind but ultimately the only way to memorize the words are through lots of reading

[Anonymous No.22396151]

>>22395891
Man's end is partaking in God's Perfect Goodness and understanding his Truth. As Greek and Latin are the most beautiful, perfect, divine languages ever, comprehending them helps one to comprehend the Truth and attunes his soul to the Good.

[Anonymous No.22396158]

>>22395891
What was the point of making this post? Or being on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.22396210]

>>22395891
>what's the point

It's fun.

[Anonymous No.22396496]

>>22395891
>watching random youtube video
>narrator says docility as "doe-sill-ity""
>I know it's "dah-sill", "dah-sill-ity"
>also know it comes from Latin doceo/docere meaning "to teach", docility=>teachable=>its present day meaning now
>many many such cases, presenters and newscasters can't even speak their own language anymore
>nobody knows how to speak anymore, nobody reads

Tldr; I'm learning a classical language because I'm not some roody poo shit skin that needs an app just to help me properly speak and write my native tongue.

[Anonymous No.22396820]

>>22395864
>>22396145
The reason I ask is because I feel like I use it, but it's hard to quantify the results. I still become confused when reading and can't even recall the words in the context of a sentence, if they're declined differently. I do have a hesitancy of just abandoning it for pure reading, but that's what I'm leaning towards.

[Anonymous No.22397392]

>>22396496
How does knowing the Latin origin of a word help you to know how it's pronounced in modern English?

[Anonymous No.22397664]

>>22396820
If you're not already, you should reread the sections you understand well to ingrain the vocabulary. Also, if you identify any words you really want to memorize and write them down on a sheet of paper then review that every day (maybe write English or a contextual sentence on the back and Greek/Latin on the front), that will help.

[Anonymous No.22398929]

someone sent me dirty talk in latin. it felt very euphoric, i dont know why

[Anonymous No.22399384]

>>22398929
post it

[Anonymous No.22400758]

> ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶u̶m̶m̶a̶t̶u̶'̶s̶t̶

[Anonymous No.22401375]

>>22351524
i was reading caesar after like 6 months, so yes

[Jon Kolner No.22401385]

>>22399384
Flecte quod est rigidum

This is sexy because he has Peyronie’s disease and he got a boner.

[Jon Kolner No.22401440]

>>22400758
He got a boner and he was walking round butt ass naked in front of his sister in law. He was singing

He was singing

Fleeecte quod est rigidum. AhhhhhhhAhhh

Da perenne Gaudium

You have to envision his bent Peyronie’s penis in order for it to make sense to you.

[Anonymous No.22402026]

>>22399384
volo te ducere ad meram voluptatem et euphoriam. volo te discedere madentem et excutientem ab ecstasi experieris mecum. ita quid dicis?

i unironically want be a boywife of a guy that knows latin

[Anonymous No.22403109]

>>22392087
Someone should get this into the mega

[Anonymous No.22403170]

i can't find the original greek text of the Batrachomyomachia anywhere, it's weird. does anyone happen to have it?

[Anonymous No.22403218]

>>22403170
https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B1%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%BF%CE%BC%CF%85%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%AF%CE%B1

is this it?

[Anonymous No.22403229]

>>22403218
yes thanks. seems i was bad at searching

[Anonymous No.22403244]

>>22403109
will do

[Anonymous No.22403298]

>>22395960
I recommend, and others do too, the Maori keyboard. To insert a macron, simply type tilde and letter.

[Anonymous No.22403409]

>>22356538
Classical truly only refers to prestige languages that dominate other cultures in the region.
Latin is classical because it's used for international scientific vocabulary, similar to Sino-Japanese.
For that reason, I'd consider Pali over Sanskrit.

[Anonymous No.22403474]

NOVUM
>>22403473
>>22403473
>>22403473