/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22344735]

>nooooo Nietzsche isn’t a racist
>nooooo he actually likes Jews
>actually start reading his works
>the genealogy of morality
>only a few paragraphs In and he’s already alluding to Jewish trickery and calls miscegenation a poisoning of the races

Why can’t you faggots be honest about him? Do none of you guys actually read the philosophers you talk about. He literally calls Jesus a super weapon of the Jews against the other races. I’m literally at the part where he’s talking about the “blond beasts” dominating. Wtf bros

[Anonymous No.22344755]

>>22344735
now you're realizing how unhinged this board is, it's no better than the worst schizo bpd discord

[Anonymous No.22344763]

in case you haven't noticed, the underlying idea of the blond beast is a powerful testament of the struggle of disabled black women against white heterosexual patriarchy

[Anonymous No.22344765]

>>22344735
Anon, did Nietzsche think any of these things that the Jews were doing was "bad?"

[Anonymous No.22344767]

>>22344755
Why did I have to be born into the timeline when 90% of humanity is actually in a state of psychosis? Was it always like this? Please tell me it hasn’t? Though I fear I already know the answer…

[Anonymous No.22344771]

>>22344735
>blond beast

[Anonymous No.22344775]

>>22344765
Maybe not necessarily but he does call it subversive which IS the actual criticism antisemites have against Jews. It literally reads like a /pol/ post with maybe a better grip on language

[Anonymous No.22344823]

>>22344763
It’s disabled homosexual black women, bigot

[Anonymous No.22344864]

>>22344765
Different anon, Nietzsche is an immoralist so of course he doesn’t think anything is “good” or “bad” in the traditional sense. The one time I think he definitively lays it out, of course I don’t think he is saying this is binding outside of his opinion, is in the end of Book III of the Gay Science where he calls those who cause shame bad and those who spare people from shame good. If you link this over the Christianity, I think Nietzsche has a complicated but mostly negative opinion of the Jews even if he admires what he perceives to be their strengths.

[Anonymous No.22344866]

>>22344765
Does it matter if affirming that jews do these things today will earn you criticism by the same people who claim that Hitler misunderstood Nietzsche and that Nietzsche ackshually hecking loved kikes?
To cite Nietzsche again, this is akin to a criminal that instead of being proud and affirming of his crimes he denies it and demeans it, demeaning also himself

[Anonymous No.22344892]

I don't think I have ever read a thread on here claiming Nietzsche wasn't racist or anti-semitic. This is actually the first thread I can remember seeing where someone is trying to link them.

[Anonymous No.22344918]

>>22344735
Nietzsche isn’t antisemitic you’re just getting filtered and taking what you want to take from the text.

[Anonymous No.22344977]

>>22344735
>>22344755
>>22344763
>>22344771
>>22344775
>>22344823
>>22344864
>>22344866
is this stormcuck psyop to reclaim Nietzche?
You subhumans know that we can read right?
If calling Jews purest, best and strongest race in Europe, wishing for antisemites like Bismarck and pope to be shot, breaking your relationship with wagner for his antisemitism is not antisemeitism then you are doing bigger mental gymnastics then troons.

[Anonymous No.22344984]

>stormcuck

[Anonymous No.22345004]

>>22344984
>>>/soc/

[Anonymous No.22345017]

>>22344977
So thoroughly referring exclusively to Nietzsche at the onset of his insanity that you‘re honestly seriously using the goddamn madness letters as evidence

[Anonymous No.22345030]

>>22344864
>Nietzsche is an immoralist
What. No. He just disagreed with at his time current morals. He did not reject morals, he just examined them. Me examining dogs does not mean I reject the idea of dogs.

[Anonymous No.22345033]

>>22344984
don't need to sign your posts here plebbit
>>22345017
madness letter only talks about shooting anti-semites.
Breaking with wagner and him fellating jewish race is before his insanity.

[Anonymous No.22345034]

>>22344735
When will /lit/ learn that you can’t isolate an aphorism or paragraph from Nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.22345074]

>>22345034
when /lit/ gets bored of trying to score points in the troon-chud war (never)

[Anonymous No.22345079]

>>22344977
He broke his relationship with Wagner over Parsifal and Christianity >>22345033
you nigger (s).

[Anonymous No.22345085]

>>22345079
he broke relationship with him before parsifal. Parsifal was final nail and what compelled him to write his seethe down.

[Anonymous No.22345090]

>>22345079
He accused Wagner of three cardinal sins: christianity, nationalism, antisemitism.

[Anonymous No.22345107]

>>22345085
>>22345090
How bout you fags cite your sources. Like I said you can find the arguments I originally pointed out in the first twenty or so paragraphs (or sections, whatever they are.) in On the genealogy of morals. Id pull it up right now but I’m literally about to start my shift

[Anonymous No.22345111]

Ill never get 4chans obsession with jews and trans people. Its so tiring having to slog through it all the time

[Anonymous No.22345119]

>>22345111
No need to heckin use this siterino. Unless you are a masochist.

[Anonymous No.22345135]

>>22345085
The masturbation thing certainly didn't help their friendship.
>>22345090
sauce?

[Anonymous No.22345138]

he despised anti-semites you retarded shitjak nigger

[Anonymous No.22345141]

>>22344977
>wishing for antisemites like Bismarck and pope to be shot
I can imagine he thought they were antisemitic for the wrong reasons ornjust deluded christkeks but if he recognizes Jews are scum what problems can he really have with people trying to act against them?

[Anonymous No.22345152]

>>22345111
This. The amount of times the Jews or trannys are mentioned on a literature board is appalling

[Anonymous No.22345153]

>>22345111
>trans '''people'''
They are not people.

[Anonymous No.22345155]

>>22345107
nigger read B G & E
>>22345135
that too
>>22345141
he hated them for their antisemitism stormkike. Only problem with jews N had was their judaism and them creating christianity as a race he would be first in line to taste their circumsized dick.

[Anonymous No.22345157]

>>22344735
>he’s already alluding to Jewish trickery
Nietzsche said Jews had the first slave morality but hating them makes you an even bigger slave or Nazis are the biggest slave moralists

>and calls miscegenation a poisoning of the races
sounds somewhat plausible but I've read everything he wrote and I don't really remember this. Can you provide the quotation?

[Anonymous No.22345182]

>>22344735
One thing I’ve always wondered; why do anons put so much stock in what Nietzsche says? Some seem determined to set their tastes and beliefs to his. Some treat his as an absolute authority. I love the man and he is one of my favorites but it seems a lot of anons miss the whole “the student must eventually move beyond the teacher” thing. If you are tailoring your ideas and tastes to Nietzsche, you kind of miss the point of being who you really are

[Anonymous No.22345191]

>>22345182
Yes. If he did not quite mind the tribe as much as I do, then I respectfully disagree. I will ponder and consider his position as I prepare to bake.

[Anonymous No.22345220]

>>22344977
You do know Hitler was a big Nietzsche fan, right?

[Anonymous No.22345250]

>>22345220
This is the popular and common belief today but I have never seen a single declaration by Hitler about it, nor that he read Nietzsche as much as we know he read Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.22345348]

>>22345182
This, essentially.
>It will happen for a time that the pupil will find his intellectual power has grown by the study of his master’s mind. But in all unbalanced minds the classification is idolized, passes for the end and not for a speedily exhaustible means, so that the walls of the system blend to their eye in the remote horizon with the walls of the universe; the luminaries of heaven seem to them hung on the arch their master built.
Nietzsche, unlike most of the people who love his work, truly transcended his "masters". This sort of thing is easily remedied by age, though saying that really puts into perspective how young most people on this board are.
>Uncertain, troubled, earnest wanderers through the midnight of the moral world beheld his intellectual fire as a beacon burning on a hill-top, and, climbing the difficult ascent, looked forth into the surrounding obscurity more hopefully than hitherto. The light revealed objects unseen before, — mountains, gleaming lakes, glimpses of a creation among the chaos; but also, as was unavoidable, it attracted bats and owls and the whole host of night birds, which flapped their dusky wings against the gazer's eyes, and sometimes were mistaken for fowls of angelic feather. Such delusions always hover nigh whenever a beacon-fire of truth is kindled.

[Anonymous No.22345360]

>>22344767
>was it always like this
literally yes, and it was actually a lot worse.

[Anonymous No.22345385]

>>22345182
Yeah but what if the cryptic smart dead guy was on MY team huh? Bet you didn't think of that.

[Anonymous No.22345495]

>>22345107
>>22345135
Pretty sure the thing with three cardinal sins was from one of his letters.

[Anonymous No.22345747]

I heard his sister added all the based racist stuff

[Anonymous No.22345811]

>>22345747
More like Elizabeth DISHe yumyumyum

[Anonymous No.22345825]

>>22345747
>Even in death he was pushed around by his sister
Nietzche couldn't get a fucking break.

[Anonymous No.22345864]

>>22344735
Stupid fag
>Every Jew has in the history of his fathers and grandfathers a mine of examples of the coldest composure and steadfastness in terrible situations.

>They themselves have never ceased to believe in their calling to the highest things, and the virtues of all who suffer have never ceased to adorn them. The way in which they honor their fathers and their children and the rationality of their marriages and marital customs distinguish them above all Europeans.

>And where shall this wealth of accumulated great impressions, which Jewish history constitutes for every Jewish family, this wealth of passions, virtues, decisions, renunciations, fights, and victories of all kinds - where shall it flow, if not eventually into great spiritual men and works? Then, when the Jews can point to such gems and golden vessels as their work, such as the European peoples with their shorter and less deep experience cannot produce and never could

>The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race living in Europe

> I like not, again, these newest speculators in idealism, the Anti-Semites, who nowadays roll their eyes in the patent Christian-Aryan-man-of-honour fashion, and by an abuse of moralist attitudes and agitation dodges, so cheap as to exhaust any patience, strive to excite all the blockhead elements in the populace

>An antisemite does not become the least bit more respectable because he lies on principle.

>Paul Ree

Finish your book. Can't believe you admitted you only read a few paragraphs before stopping to make a post. Unreal

Honorable retard mentions
>>22344755
>>22344763
>>22344892
Will never know what it's like to be like y'all. Really can't just open a google tab

[Anonymous No.22345880]

Losurdo already wrote an entire book collecting evidence from his diaries and letters proving he was an unhinged racist eugenicist

[Anonymous No.22345883]

>>22345864
why do your isolated sections trump my isolated sections though?

[Anonymous No.22345896]

>>22345220
yes? He also like metropolis even though it was made by a Jew. What he like in Nietzsche was what his sister rewrote.

[Anonymous No.22345904]

>>22345883
you never brought up your isolated sections. And knowing nietzche it would be about judaism which he called slave morality. You do argue like a kike, but in the end all polcucks are crypto kikes.

[Anonymous No.22345907]

the real gotcha on neetche is that he was pro slavery.

>Nietzsche on “Slavery in some Sense or Other” One recurring theme in Nietzsche's corpus of work is that a flourishing culture of human excellence requires an underclass to render its achievements possible; there must be “slavery in some sense or other”

he is basically the opposite of Schopenhauer who thought blacks were dumb but slavery was still cruel

[Anonymous No.22345935]

>>22345904
>>22345904
its cause i'm stoned and i didn't want to effort post in that state of mind but i literally can, jesus.
>sec 9 Genealogy of Morality
>Nothing that has been done on earth against the "noble", "the mighty" "the masters" and "the rules" is worth mentioning compared to what the jews have done to them
>the jews, those priestly people, which in the last resort was able to get satisfaction over their enemies and conquerors only by means of a radical reevaluation of their values
he goes on in there to detail how they brought about slave morality and stating in the following couple paragraphs how it came out through christianity.

Look I will accept that maybe he had a mixed view on judaism but i just started reading this guy and it's pretty obvious he's not the philosemite this board makes him out to be, as i've said.

[Anonymous No.22345944]

>>22345935
he is a philosemite retard. Especially for his time.
His views on judaism was negative because it gave rise to christianity. Even your quotes affirm that which I already mentioned.
Your second quote is literally applauding jews.

[Anonymous No.22345965]

>>22345944
You should be less quick to call others retarded when you yourself fail to understand that he does not necessarily view them as good because of this. he's literally saying that they're overthrowing the mighty which is what he seems to actually exalt (see blond beast). He literally points out how non jews have a justified reason for being wary of them and hating them. and again that's not him praising them at all. and i still have yet to actually come across a cited source for any of these philosemitic claims as i've also not been able to find any in my reading of him. the best I've found so far is in section 9 of that same work
>but why do you talk about nobler ideals! Lets bow to the facts the people have won! or the "slaves" or the "plebians" "the heard" or whatever you want to call them, if the jews made this come about good for them!
I know you're just gonna be like "oh uhh don't you see he's obviously heckin praisin' the joos there" but that would fail to see that he's clearly being atleast half sarcastic in this seeming exaltation. I mean he still calls these conquerors plebians and the herd, and while he does think might is right, he seems to still acknowledge that there are those who actually are mighty and should overpower the weak and are only overpowered seemingly by jewish trickery, later calling it specifically christianity. It follows that he disparages this state of affairs in him calling the heard and plebians hatred for the rich and powerful as ressentiment and overall he just has a more exalting tone of the actual conquerors, who again as he points out, subverts the state of affairs regarding values. Hardly philosemitic

[Anonymous No.22345970]

>>22345965
he is praising them there you absolute faggot.
They accomplished what he wished others to do. If he warnes europeans of them is because they are superior to them for him. You have shit loads of quotes him fealting jews and all you can do is shake hands like a impotent cuck and shout opposite.
You have not even read him, even though I already mentioned beyond good and evil where one the quotes is mentioned, you just ignored it because like a troon you ignore reality and want your daddy philosopher to conform with your ideals.

[Anonymous No.22345983]

>>22344735
>>22345864
>They return to the innocent conscience of the wild beast, as exultant monsters, who perhaps go away having committed a hideous succession of murder, arson, rape and torture, in a mood of bravado and spiritual equilibrium as though they had simply played a student’s prank, [...] At the centre of all these noble races [...] the beast must out again, must return to the wild. It was the noble races which left the concept of ‘barbarian’ in their traces wherever they went; even their highest culture betrays the fact that they were conscious of this and indeed proud of it
You're wrong man, Saint Nietzsche wasn't edgy he just preached us the noble lessons in compassion, egalitarianism and brotherhood of all humanity.

[Anonymous No.22345986]

>>22345970
>hasnt read him.
I have, I've literally read that the gay science, thus spoke zarathustra, the will to power. it's not like he goes on about jews forever but it is pretty glaring that he sees this as a degradation of how things should be in his personal views. His personal views don't have to be moral views that's why you automatically conflate him observing one group winning with them being something he personally thinks is a good thing. even if it did fit into a moral philosophy which he literally points out is rubbish. And no you did not cite where, yes that work i'm less familiar with him with but okay give me some fucking page or section numbers then i'll crack it open. Jesus do you have to know a philosophers balls size to have "read" him? Even if I hadn't, how would that have diminished from my argument which AGAIN i have originally and multiple times cited sources for. you are getting hostile because you know deep down that i am correct in this situation.

[Anonymous No.22345995]

>>22345986
how can you read the quote where he praises jews and calls them best race in europe and calls antismeites retarded and then somehow make conclusion that he was an antisemite?
are you retarded? What is this mental gymnastics and absolute kike sophism.
You know subhumans like you will go in the gas chambers right?
You clearly have not read beyond good and evil which you ignored again like you ignored all this quotes.
You are clearly projecting after have been btfo that nietzche is not based jew hating polack.
You only made this thread to get affirmation in you beliefs but get opposite result and now you cry like a good slave.

[Anonymous No.22346010]

>>22345995
he was a /pol/ chud >>22345983 you retarded redditor

[Anonymous No.22346014]

>>22346010
you might be lost discord troon but we are talking about antisemitism here, not whether he was bleeding heart progressive liberal

[Anonymous No.22346020]

>>22344735
Nietzsche was talking about ideas with their roots in Judaism as a philologist. Yes, he has a way of talking about it that reads poorly today.

This isn't uncommon. Durant was a classical liberal; he wrote the Story of Civilization to brace the public against the evils of communism, as he saw them, but also saw the project as a counter to hardline conservatism. He was anti segregation, pro-black rights, pro-feminism in the context of what feminism was back in the 30s-60s, etc. Basically, a moderate liberal, a leftist in many ways even if he saw communism as a danger.

But his work is full of phrases like "the White Man's World," or "Christendom," to refer to Europe, which sound off-putting today. He talks about the "weaker sex," or even in earlier works is sloppy when explaining Greek theories of how climate influenced national character, and talks of "indolent races." When he is at his more conservative, he talks about "every race begins life as a stoic and dies in decadence as an epicurean."

This is just old fashioned speech. I bring this up because Nietzsche is similar except he is writing another 50+ years earlier and is even more romantic. Romantic high strung prose also tends to change how this stuff sounds.

But we know Nietzsche broke with his sister, a close relationship, over antisemitism. He broke with Wagner, a benefactor, over antisemitism. The man torpedoed his own career and standard of living explicitly because he didn't think we should apply the lene or "ideas historically from Judaism," to "individual Jews today."

And in any event, Nietzsche's understanding of ancient Hebrew culture is actually terrible, because biblical studies were extremely biased until more recently. He's interjecting tons of later shit and thinking ancient Jews held these ideas. Judaism back when it mixed with Hellenism was a slave owning, nationalist, warrior-nomad culture in many ways, even post exile. Hence their insane-odds wars and fanatical soldiers.

[Anonymous No.22346024]

>>22346014
>le heckin based wordinoo
Kek, redditor. You saint was a racist barbarian.

On the Genealogy of Morals, Essay 1 section 5:
>the vulgar man can be distinguished as the dark-coloured, and above all as the black-haired (‘hic niger est’), as the pre-Aryan inhabitants of the Italian soil, whose complexion distinguished them from the dominant blonds, namely the Aryan conquering race; at any rate Gaelic has afforded me the exact analogue – fin (for instance, in the name Fin-Gal), the word designating the nobility, finally – the good, the noble, the pure, but originally blonds in contrast to the swarthy, black-haired aboriginals. The Celts, if I may make a parenthetical statement, were a wholly blond race; and it is wrong to connect, as Virchow still does, those traces of an essentially dark-haired population which are to be seen on the more detailed ethnographical maps of Germany with any Celtic ancestry or with any admixture of Celtic blood; in this connection it is merely the isolated remnants of the pre-Aryan population of Germany which appear in these districts. (The same holds true for almost the whole of Europe; in point of fact, the subject race has finally again come to dominate, in complexion and the shortness of the skull, and perhaps in the intellectual and social instincts. Who can guarantee that modern democracy, still more modern anarchy and indeed that predilection for the ‘Commune’, the most primitive form of society, which is shared by all the Socialists in Europe, does not in its essence represent a monstrous reversion – and that the conquering and master race, the Aryan race, is not also becoming inferior physiologically?)

[Anonymous No.22346026]

>>22344892
Nietzsche hated antisemites
This doesn't mean he loved jews either, he was just tired of people blaming jews for everything because its an easy cop-out

[Anonymous No.22346028]

>>22346024
>>le heckin
nice discord lingo. You are not fitting in tourist tranny and your raid does not work.
nice quote where is anti-semitism though. You seem to lack reading skills and fail to even understan 4chan posts like all low IQ polkikes.

[Anonymous No.22346037]

>>22346028
Kek, based redditor is absolutely 4chonkman. Thread is also about him being a racist. Achshullay antisemitism is rather a minor issue in comparison to him praising looting, murder and rape.

[Anonymous No.22346040]

>>22346037
we had a discussion about antisemitism discord troon then you jumped in like a good troon and started talking about racism. You are getting more embarrassing subhuman.

[Anonymous No.22346048]

>>22346040
Kek, calm down ye certified 4chonkman. Nietzsche was certainly a /pol/tard see >>22345983 >>22346024 which you were claiming he wasn't. The part about antisemite? I know nuffin about it.

[Anonymous No.22346053]

>>22346048
no mentioned antisemitic polack. May be read posts before you make retarded contibutions tourist.

[Anonymous No.22346054]

>>22346053
>>22346048
*I mentioned

[Anonymous No.22346057]

>>22346053
>>22345995
>jew hating polack
He was certainly a /pol/tard chud. I know nuffin about first part.

[Anonymous No.22346058]

>>22346057
jew hating is specified retard. And him being chud is not special considering everyone during his time was, may be not hartmann but others where.

[Anonymous No.22346060]

>>22346020
The ancient Hebrew doesn't follow slave morality however. Christianity is itself a fusion of Greek thought, of which Nietzsche (and others like Hegel) were so enamoured and Judaism, along with the introduction of mystical ideas that had their origins further afield (Platonism -> Egyptian Memphite theology, Transmigration of the Soul -> potentially India, Logos Spermatikos -> stoicism, the Orphic Cult and Pythagoreanism as well as Neoplatonic emanationism, etc.)

Judaism itself began imbibing Hellenism and developing mystical and highly allegorical readings of the Bible before Christianity, e.g., Philo of Alexandria, Merkava mysticism, etc. and already this was mixing with esoteric systems, which would give rise to Jewish Gnosticism and Christian Gnosticism, themselves the seeds of Kabbalah. These aren't Nietzsche's slave morality though, they are closer to his Dionysian mode because they are ecstatic in their focus. The "slave moralistic," elements, as Nietzsche sees them, of Christianity are there from the start but mostly a new thing FROM Christ and Paul themselves. And they become more ascendent with the solidification of Nicean orthodoxy, post-Augustine and moreso in the Latin Church. That is, Nietzsche has deep cultural blinders on of the very sort he warns against and mistakes uniquely Christian innovations as Jewish.

He also is used to modern Protestant, pietist, German forms of Christianity and projects them back onto the highly diverse and often extremely Platonist versions of Christianity in antiquity. He can't see why submitting to God is different from submitting to man or denying life because he doesn't see, like Augustine, how thought itself, and thus being itself, is NECESSARY in the image of God, the semiotics Trinity.

Nor does he get how Hebrews saw the prophet. This is a warrior people that challenged Rome as a tiny desert kingdom and in just the Kitos War left 450,000-600,000 Romans dead, more than a century+ of wars with the Germans. The prophet is not a meek slave but the voice of God. God rules because God is the strongest. Nietzsche totally misreads Job. Job's interloceturs are criticized by God for saying that Job is only punished for doing wrong. Nor is Job being rewarded more than a false ending for the simple. The meat of the book is when God asks Job to gird himself like a man and asks:

>Have you an arm like God? Or can you thunder with a voice like His? Then adorn yourself with majesty and splendor, And array yourself with glory and beauty.

>Unleash the fury of your wrath, look at all who are proud and bring them low, look at all who are proud and humble them, crush the wicked where they stand. Bury them all in the dust together; shroud their faces in the grave.Then I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you.

The Hebrew Man is in the image of this God. The Prophet calls down fire and brimstone, whirlwind and earthquake, the power beyond all powers.

[Anonymous No.22346065]

>>22346058
>is not special considering everyone during his time was,
Kek, same old leftiod copes
Show me which post-Schopenhauerian went to these >>22345983 lengths? You're a retarded redditor.

[Anonymous No.22346069]

>>22346060
>Nietzsche (and others like Hegel) were so enamoured

Nietzsche was absolutely NOT enamoured of the portion of greek thought incorporated into Christianity.

[Anonymous No.22346070]

>>22346065
wagner discord troon. Who was an actual anti-semite retarded faggot. Not only that but also enitre darwinian eugenicist movement.

[Anonymous No.22346071]

>recognizing nihilism fully is le strong
>sublimation and escapism is le weak
>look how le based Greeks challenge nihilism in their plays, what strong souls, even if it is escapist in some ways!
>le Jews are le weak and won't face nihilism and conquer it. They refuse the to acknowledge the abyss.

Meanwhile, the Jews writing as far back as Homer:

1] The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
[2] Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
[3] What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
[4] One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
[5] The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
[6] The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
[7] All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
[8] All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
[11] There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
[12] I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.
[13] And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
[14] I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
[15] That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
[16] I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
[17] And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
[18] For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Did Nietzsche just not even read the Bible?

[Anonymous No.22346075]

>>22346070
Sauce on Wagner?

[Anonymous No.22346076]

>>22346075
letters of wagner and nietzche between each other.

[Anonymous No.22346077]

>>22346076
Which letter?

[Anonymous No.22346078]

>>22346077
I don't know by heart. I remember there was list of them on google books

[Anonymous No.22346080]

>>22346075
Kaufman's Nietzsche has a bunch of the letters cited.

[Anonymous No.22346085]

>>22346078
>>22346080
Wagner preached looting, murder and rape in that letter?

[Anonymous No.22346086]

>>22346085
neither did nietzche niggerlover.

[Anonymous No.22346088]

>>22346086
read this passage >>22345983

[Anonymous No.22346090]

>>22346069
Right, but he sees those being Jewish to some degree which is just wrong and he also doesn't understand Christianity out of his own shallow understanding of folk religion around him very well.

In any event, he BADLY misunderstood ancient Judaism, which to be fair, was inevitable given scholarship on it was so caught up in religious narratives until more recently and filled with falsifications.

Particularly, the Jewish reaction to Hellenism was split, some adopting parts, some going fundy. In any event, the period around when Christianity started was more known for the Jews flipping out and going ISIS tier but he keeps projecting post diaspora Jewish culture onto the ancients.

[Anonymous No.22346092]

>>22346088
I did niggerlover and nowhere does he say that germans should invade everyone rape and pillage it's neighbors.

[Anonymous No.22346095]

>>22346086
>>22346088
Also I'm Schopenhauerian. I agree with Cioran when he said Nietzsche was a pathetic invalid

[Anonymous No.22346097]

>>22346095
And I prefer Nietzche to Schopenhauer even if I don't agree with him in everything. I think N did good distancing himself from him.

[Anonymous No.22346099]

>>22346092
not germs specially but the race of noble barbarians should. The beast must come out again. That's your saint Nietzsche not me.

[Anonymous No.22346100]

>>22346099
but he does not advocate to literal war. His beast is what wagner was initially. He knows times are different and his overman is different in 19th century world then in bronze age.

[Anonymous No.22346102]

>>22346100
kek, you're denying his literal world. You think looting, murder and rape is heckin cute and valid and it isn't war? Ffs

[Anonymous No.22346103]

>>22346102
are you retarded? In modern times looting, murder and rape is for niggers.

[Anonymous No.22346111]

>>22346097
Hegel plumbed far more deeply than either.

[Anonymous No.22346112]

>>22346090
They only could kill that many because of divine intervention. Their wars are absolute bullshit and unfair, lacking honor. Look at the using kabbalahistic sorcerery in modern air engagements. They landed an F-15 missing its wings once.

[Anonymous No.22346115]

>>22345360
sure, if you go far enough back though man had his face in the dirt and had to get by with ground-level delusions. progress means a longer leash for more untethered delusions until you reach the awful peak in a /lit/ nietzsche thread. child sacrifice is more sane.

[Anonymous No.22346127]

>>22345747
SYZYGOS

[Anonymous No.22346263]

>>22346103
that's what Nietzsche said not me faggot

[Anonymous No.22346274]

>>22344735
You haven't read the Gay Science if you're saying shit like this. Looks like you're the one you don't read.
>>22344892
He himself called himself an anti-anti-semite and told his (actually anti-semitic sister) she embarrassed him due to her anti-semitism and said in strong terms that he rejected all that in a letter he wrote to her.

[Anonymous No.22346294]

Why are /pol/fags still a thing on /lit/? Just fucking kys or go away

[Anonymous No.22347102]

>>22346024
>barbarian
Nietzche was the opposite of a barbarian.
His modern followers are doubly so.
But no one denies Nietzche was racist, he just wasn't an anti-semite, he was an anti-antisemite even. (And was also generally contrarian regarding the German nationalism of his time, he even claimed he was actually Polish once)
Really he more had of a problem with Judaism as a religion than with Jews as a people.

[Anonymous No.22347200]

>>22346263
no what he said and what you did are not the same retard

[Anonymous No.22347215]

Nietzsche shitpost threads are such good comedy bros.

[Anonymous No.22347260]

>100 replies and no one has given me a specific page that of any of his books that shows him actually outright liking jews. the best they can show is he recognizes when they overpower their enemies sometimes
please show me specifically where he says anti semites are retarded. also you know people can say they aren't racist but still act racist, he was probably worried about losing publishing and you know had to basically pay penance to the khazarian overlords

[Anonymous No.22347261]

>>22347260
>>22347260
and that is again, if these quotes are even real in the first place lmao.

[Anonymous No.22347264]

>Nietzsche says he hates when people pick and choose things from philosophers
>Also does the same thing himself
>Also has a widely inconsistent philosophy that basically forces people to pick and choose things from it

[Anonymous No.22347288]

theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/01/30/review-nietzsches-jewish-problem-part-one-of-two/

theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/01/31/review-nietzsches-jewish-problem-part-two-of-two/

I can post some quotes from these articles by Andrew Joyce, which are review of picture related, from Princeton University Press.

[Anonymous No.22347319]

>>22344767
Yes Anon, throughout history 90% of men have been followers, few leaders. Only this time the goal is to lead the sheep off the cliff.

[Anonymous No.22347350]

>>22347264
>looking to philosophers for guidance in life
couldn't be me

[Anonymous No.22347357]

>>22347264
Not everything has to be perfectly consistent, and there's no need to worry about being called out for being a hypocrite. Hypocritical thinking is the mark of a man comfortable with himself and his opinions, never having to conform his behavior to his company.

[Anonymous No.22347444]

Nietzsche was a meek incel virgin why should I listen to him

[Anonymous No.22347480]

>>22347444
he shit on and owned every single philosopher before him and after and wants nothing more than for people to become their best selves and embrace the life they have for its inevitable struggles and sufferings

[Anonymous No.22347490]

>>22347480
And what did he accomplish with that? 10 years in a bed slurping soup then death

[Anonymous No.22347498]

>>22347480
>he shit on and owned every single philosopher before him
Kant already did this.
>and after
What good is that? Genuinely.

[Anonymous No.22347513]

>>22347498
He freed us from needing to read any more of the dumb bullshit pedaling itself as "the way", mostly. Imagine all those idiots cumming over Nick Land and Evola freed from that stupidity.

>>22347490
personal accomplishments aren't really the same as accomplishments for people and the world overall. That's like shitting on Mozart because he died young after all he made.

[Anonymous No.22347612]

>>22344735
>I’m literally at the part where he’s talking about the “blond beasts” dominating. Wtf bros
He's literally talking about lions.

[Anonymous No.22347621]

>>22345111
You don't get it because your axioms are wrong.

It's the other way around.

Trannies and Jews are obsessed with 4chan. For some reason they are terrified of this place and free speech and need to constantly shit it up with their astroturfing and glowniggery.

[Anonymous No.22347623]

>>22344977
>the vulgar man can be distinguished as the dark-coloured, and above all as the black-haired (‘hic niger est’), as the pre-Aryan inhabitants of the Italian soil, whose complexion distinguished them from the dominant blonds, namely the Aryan conquering race; at any rate Gaelic has afforded me the exact analogue – fin (for instance, in the name Fin-Gal), the word designating the nobility, finally – the good, the noble, the pure, but originally blonds in contrast to the swarthy, black-haired aboriginals. The Celts, if I may make a parenthetical statement, were a wholly blond race; and it is wrong to connect, as Virchow still does, those traces of an essentially dark-haired population which are to be seen on the more detailed ethnographical maps of Germany with any Celtic ancestry or with any admixture of Celtic blood; in this connection it is merely the isolated remnants of the pre-Aryan population of Germany which appear in these districts. (The same holds true for almost the whole of Europe; in point of fact, the subject race has finally again come to dominate, in complexion and the shortness of the skull, and perhaps in the intellectual and social instincts. Who can guarantee that modern democracy, still more modern anarchy and indeed that predilection for the ‘Commune’, the most primitive form of society, which is shared by all the Socialists in Europe, does not in its essence represent a monstrous reversion – and that the conquering and master race, the Aryan race, is not also becoming inferior physiologically
-Genealogy of Morals, Essay 1 section 5

[Anonymous No.22347632]

Why do leftists want to claim Nietzsche so badly?

[Anonymous No.22347633]

>>22347621
>no you

[Anonymous No.22347635]

>>22347633
>no it's just a coincidence the entire internet and huge swathes of federal agencies are dedicated to monitoring and controlling a mongolian basket weaving forum

[Anonymous No.22347643]

>>22344735
Nietzsche was adamantly against herd politics, he even says he is apolitical. Both sides need to stop trying to claim him

[Anonymous No.22347651]

>>22347635
No one would care if you kept your troonposting and ma joos to /lgbt/ and /pol/. What anons have a problem with is shitting up /lit/

[Anonymous No.22347705]

>>22347651
>can't stop talking about trannies
>can't even follow a discussion explaining why he's a retard
>clearly it's everyone else's fault
ok retard

[Anonymous No.22347708]

>>22347621
They hated him because he told them the truth.

[Anonymous No.22347740]

>>22347705
>anon says he’s tired of all the jew and tranny posts on /lit/ and wishes they would stop
>ackshully you’re the one who can’t stop talking about them

[Anonymous No.22347760]

>>22347740
If you can't acknowledge the posts are inorganic and fomented by a 3rd party you're part of the problem. You are doing as the trannies want and so you are a tranny, in spirit if not yet in body.

[Anonymous No.22347794]

>>22347760
>the story time drag queen threads and innumerable le joos are evil threads are totally organic

OP’s of those threads have zero interest in literature. They want to push an agenda or propaganda. Very few books are discussed in those threads

[Anonymous No.22347836]

>>22347632
typical regime tactic, if a problematic author's name is too big to be canceled(including de facto damnatio memoriae if not de jure) just try to sanitize it through the usual dysgenic lapdogs

[Anonymous No.22349131]

>>22347264
I guess he really is... beyond good and evil

[Anonymous No.22349153]

>>22346294
Why can't you accept the diversity of thought that /pol/fags bring to /lit/? We must be more inclusive to /pol/fags otherwise /lit/ will become just another boring board, my fellow /lit/izen.

[Anonymous No.22349272]

>>22344735
>OP's first tsundere
Evangelion is going to be fucking mind-blowing for you bro

[Anonymous No.22349297]

>>22347260
>says anti semites are retarded
There's lots of places. Beyond Good and Evil spends a good part of its discussion on peoples and nations saying basically antisemites are fucktarded and should be run out of the country before they destroy all the good shit Jews know how to do. Some random examples:
>"Let no more Jews come in! And shut the doors, especially towards the East (also towards Austria)!"—thus commands the instinct of a people whose nature is still feeble and uncertain, so that it could be easily wiped out, easily extinguished, by a stronger race. The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race at present living in Europe, they know how to succeed even under the worst conditions (in fact better than under favourable ones), by means of virtues of some sort, which one would like nowadays to label as vices
>It is certain that the Jews, if they desired—or if they were driven to it, as the anti-Semites seem to wish—COULD now have the ascendancy, nay, literally the supremacy, over Europe, that they are NOT working and planning for that end is equally certain. Meanwhile, they rather wish and desire, even somewhat importunely, to be insorbed and absorbed by Europe, they long to be finally settled, authorized, and respected somewhere, and wish to put an end to the nomadic life, to the "wandering Jew",—and one should certainly take account of this impulse and tendency, and MAKE ADVANCES to it (it possibly betokens a mitigation of the Jewish instincts) for which purpose it would perhaps be useful and fair to banish the anti-Semitic bawlers out of the country.
>What Europe owes to the Jews?—Many things, good and bad, and above all one thing of the nature both of the best and the worst: the grand style in morality, the fearfulness and majesty of infinite demands, of infinite significations, the whole Romanticism and sublimity of moral questionableness—and consequently just the most attractive, ensnaring, and exquisite element in those iridescences and allurements to life, in the aftersheen of which the sky of our European culture, its evening sky, now glows—perhaps glows out. For this, we artists among the spectators and philosophers, are—grateful to the Jews.
Like literally you can pick almost any text and Nietzsche's like
>would have been better if Jews did it

[Anonymous No.22349313]

'u thnk he ever ate her sys?'
asked one sad loon a troon
a troon replyed 'pronouns are myss''
'we're headyng to the moon'

whyle neetzhe's ghost was here nearby
observyng sylent ways
of hym who was that fuckyng guy
the fyyrst of eldrytch days

he smyyled at flyckeryng mass men
and shed a grudging tear
becomyng – O forever be praysed KEK –
the ancyent holy deer

the deer ys also type of horse
when lookyng from beyond
the answer ys 'oh yes of course'
thus ys the sacred bond.

[Anonymous No.22349553]

>>22344977
The symbol of this fight, written in a script which has hitherto remained legible throughout human history, is ‘Rome against Judea, Judea against Rome’: – up to now there has been no greater event than this battle, this question, this contradiction of mortal enemies. Rome saw the Jew as something contrary to nature, as though he were its antipodean monster (Monstrum); in Rome, the Jew was looked upon as convicted of hatred against the whole of mankind, rightly, if one is right in linking the well being and future of the human race with the unconditional rule of aristocratic values, Roman values. What, on the other hand, did the Jews feel about Rome? We can guess from a thousand indicators; but it is enough to call once more to mind the Apocalypse of John, the wildest of
all outbursts ever written which revenge has on its conscience. (By the way,
we must not underestimate the profound consistency of Christian instinct
in inscribing this book of hate to the disciple of love, the very same to
whom it attributed that passionately ecstatic gospel –: there is some truth
in this, however much literary counterfeiting might have been necessary to the purpose.) So the Romans were the strong and noble, stronger and nobler than anybody hitherto who had lived or been dreamt of on earth; their every relic and inscription brings delight, provided one can guess
what it is that is doing the writing there. By contrast, the Jews were a priestly nation of ressentiment par excellence...
Kikesisters our response...???

[Anonymous No.22349554]

>>22347260
>>22347261
lazy stormtranny hides his head in sand

[Anonymous No.22349561]

>>22349553
where is antisemitism retarded faggot?
you know he is talking about religious conception of judaism right?
response is already made here where he sucks them of.
Just because he had shitty conception of history does not mean he said what you want him to say subhuman

[Anonymous No.22349566]

>>22347513
he didn't free shit. He created barely coherent abstraction for himself then plagiarazed better philosophers added some womanish hysterics. That was his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22349567]

>>22349554
>stormtranny

What the hell does this mean. Stop watching porn.

[Anonymous No.22349571]

>>22347623
why do you stormcucks post same shit that was already posted? you know we are talking about antisemitism right?
>>22347632
>>22347836
leftists and rightists are both trying their best to claim him when he didn't belong to either of them. This thread made millionth time is the prove of the latter.

[Anonymous No.22349575]

>>22349567
it means that border between stormfag and trooning out is paper thin.

[Anonymous No.22349579]

>>22345250
If you read anything hitler said in his later life it's obvious he turned against christianity and looked to Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.22349584]

>>22349579
he was always against christianity, he never turned because he was busy sucking sandnigger dick. As for nietzsche I don't know any quote by him.

[HORSZCHE No.22349589]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhBRT3IUKo

[Anonymous No.22349592]

>>22349584
No, he was definitely more tolerant and friendly toward Christianity in his younger years.

[Anonymous No.22349596]

>>22349592
I don't have any reason to believe that. Openly he was devout christian but we know from his personal talks that he didn't like it. For him it was Islam>hindu/buddhism>christianity>paganism>judaism.

[Anonymous No.22349618]

>>22347200
cope harder nietzschenigger

[Anonymous No.22349641]

>>22349589
Very nice, I love it. I wanted to share it with you for a quite some time. Btw, I don't believe Neitzsche hated the sleeves (they are holy. (u2)). We are better learn how to love each other. (That is what They would want.) The lame squabble on dialectical ownage homos*xualism reeks shameful beggars fighting for a bum pussy. Don't you already posess it: the pussy of your imagination!

But see amounts of energy generated by the unawareness. Someone's banking on that loosh. Cannot thee grasp the horse crucifier from the N.'s late moment episode. Tis hym! I tell ye verily. Long time the weight has been magnetizing the burdensome earth. If Nietzsche was ever real he is in the Bible. He is real he will be in the Bible. If he will be Real ~ He is the Bible.

[Anonymous No.22349664]

>>22345983
>reddit meme based on the horse fable
not a good look anon

[Anonymous No.22349692]

>>22349561
Is the only antisemitism concivable to you calling for killing jews in camps?

[Anonymous No.22349778]

>>22347264
Nietzsche is all kinds of retarded, his "Ubermensch" is kinda lame too. It's why you read BAP and Evola to become a barbarian primal beast ubermensch on your own terms.

[Anonymous No.22350160]

>>22349618
that does not even make sense retardnigger

[Anonymous No.22350163]

>>22349692
no but saying they are best race in europe do disqualify you from antisemitism

[Anonymous No.22350210]

>>22349571
Nietzsche is much closer to our side than yours leftoid :) >>22347623

[Anonymous No.22350457]

>>22350160
His words does make prefect sense which you're denying faggotnigger