/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22337276]

Why none of you retards read poetry?

[Anonymous No.22337284]

The chilean embassy gave me some poems by gabriela mistral. They didn't rhyme, they were short poems. Yet she got into the 5000 chilean peso bills. I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.22337307]

>>22337276
Poetry is for chuds.

[Anonymous No.22337329]

>>22337276
I'm unironically too retarded to retain words structured as verse. I can't even read it very fast. I'm also unwilling to train myself to read it better. It's not like I'm not running out of prose.
That's why I don't read poetry.

[Anonymous No.22337339]

roses are red
the sky is blue
poetry is for losers
like you

[Anonymous No.22337357]

I read poetry but I am a retard
I just finished a John Ashbery collection the other day and it took me like four months to get through under a hundred pages

[Anonymous No.22337389]

>>22337284
Translated?

[Anonymous No.22337399]

>>22337389
Here's one

[Anonymous No.22337406]

>>22337399
wait in english it rhymes huh

[Anonymous No.22337412]

>>22337399
Adding this aberration to my "Reasons to learn other languages" list.

Agradecido no haber nacido EOP.

[Anonymous No.22337430]

>>22337412
Here's the 5000 chilean peso. Kind of embarrassing having her in there desu. Pablo Neruda is also another famous chilean poet but he was commie. I haven't bothered to read his poetry.

[Anonymous No.22337467]

>>22337276
I’ve been trying to write some but it feels odd typing it out in my phone’s notes and it would feel even odder typing it out in a riced arch linux thinkpad. I don’t like writing with pen and paper either because I have bad handwriting and the paper doesn’t feel right. I also have a hard time understanding the music of poetry. All I hear is this very basic drumming rhythm when I write which isn’t very appealing to me and makes it difficult for my mind to find words because I am not inspired by any musical feeling.

[Anonymous No.22337484]

>>22337467
Poetry doesn't have to be inspired by rhythm.
Form can provide an artistic effect.
Poetry, as with all other forms of art, exists to impart an idea or emotion, only poems do it through the structure of a verse.

Also if your thinkpad isn't trannybooted you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.22337493]

>>22337339
Leap from a
Giant bird
And die
NIGGER

[Anonymous No.22337496]

some of it is nice, but poetry is generally better when performed as a song rather than simply read on a page. It's usually written with a distinct rhythm or voice that can be difficult to ascertain if you aren't used to it.
I'd rather read a stylish prose than poetry, most of the time.

[Anonymous No.22337505]

Because most poetry seems pointless and dull.

[Anonymous No.22337516]

My boss texted me to come in today, but I didn't respondee because I was just two stressed.

[Anonymous No.22337540]

>>22337276
You tell me to do this

He tells me to do that

You're all bastards

Go fuck your mother

[Anonymous No.22337550]

>>22337276
Because they're illiterate fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.22337551]

>>22337399
>>22337284
She has some good poems here and there

[Anonymous No.22337598]

>>22337430
I know, I am chilean.

[Anonymous No.22337616]

>novels written by poets
yes
>novels written by novelists
no

[Anonymous No.22337630]

>>22337276
because it makes me think of her and then i cry

[Anonymous No.22337649]

>>22337276
You posted the answer: because they are retards. They would rather read poorly translated foreign language novels with sensationalist plots than read something of artistic merit in their own language.

[Anonymous No.22337670]

>>22337276
This board isn't even literate enough to read the King James Bible or Shakespeare. They're more interesting in talking about fag commies like Marx and tipping their fedoras.

[Anonymous No.22337740]

>>22337670
>read the King James Bible
>>>/pol/ is that way

[Anonymous No.22337797]

>>22337276
They are not cut out for it, this board does not select very precisely for people who like poetry. Don't waste your time preaching about it, there are still enough decent posters around that you can usually get some kind of discussion going about a major poet. Post about poetry you like and those who are not yet into it but have the capacity to appreciate it will get interested and ask about it or look into it.

[Anonymous No.22337821]

Please can people say some nice things about my Shelley Chudjak OC? I spent 10 minutes on it. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.22337823]

>>22337821
Fuck I meant Donne. Shelley's alright.

[Anonymous No.22337828]

>>22337516
good one

[Anonymous No.22337838]

>>22337516
I don't get it. Can someone explain?

[Anonymous No.22337846]

>>22337276
/lit/ barely knows how to read, senpai

[Anonymous No.22337850]

>>22337276
Poetry is pretty fucking gay desu.

[Anonymous No.22337853]

Although I might check out poets from antiquity, everything that comes after that is completely unnecessary and of lower quality, but that applies to literature as well I suppose.

[Anonymous No.22337856]

>>22337649
Substance > prose.

[Anonymous No.22337861]

>>22337856
Why not both?

[Anonymous No.22337862]

recorded music made poetry completely obsolete

[Anonymous No.22337867]

>>22337821
you did a good job, anon, it was kinda funny
>>22337856
and many of the foreign language novels often posted here lack substance

[Anonymous No.22337944]

>>22337399
The time to hesitate is through
No time to wallow in the mire
Try now, we can only lose
And our love become a funeral pyre
Come on baby, light my fire

[Anonymous No.22338014]

>>22337493
Says the incel
who wishes his dick
was bigger
ick,
he gives me the ick
unwashed dick smell

[Anonymous No.22338032]

>>22338014
And what of you,
you Babylonian whore?
Your paltry spirit
must be deplored
for its weakness
Is what I would
have said if it had
enough presence
to even be noted
you double nigger
Now kill yourself
Posthaste

[Anonymous No.22338055]

>>22337821
You didn't outline the hat brim, no one who hasn't seen that picture will know what the fuck is supposed to be on his head. I love Donne and the poem but it does fit quite well, plus I find the stupid chud hilarious every time I see it even though I couldn't care less about whatever retarded points politics retards try to make with their little drawings.

Most importantly making OC of authors is cool and brings /lit/ a little bit closer to the authenticity of boards where people genuinely enjoy the medium that the board is based on, so I appreciate you.

>Shelley over Donne

Wish I had an Eliot chudjak to post at you for this opinion. That's one you should make, I love the guy but his face, his opinions and his style of writing are practically crying out for the chudification treatment.

>>22337850
I love seeing this every day and thinking about how /lit/ posters follow the sour-grapes judgments of modern industrial laborers over the judgments of virtually all the great men of history.

[Anonymous No.22338072]

>>22337276
can anyone recc me some good poetry? i really love modernism (beckett, joyce, eliot) and anne carson but i'm trying to get into more contemporary / less-pseud type stuff. i just picked up some books by jorie graham, john ashberry, and ron silliman

[Anonymous No.22338101]

I love poetry but I'm still inexperienced with it. I only seriously starting diving into it a few years ago. Love Donne, Keats and what little I've read by Browning and Baudelaire (untranslated) the most right now. Honorable mention to Milton, Coleridge and Blake.

[Anonymous No.22338123]

Alone iin mother's basement
The incel dwells in darkness
With curtains drawn, and windows closed
there is no hope, Therr is no hope

[Anonymous No.22338166]

because it's for niggers and i hate niggers

Kill niggers. Behead niggers. Roundhouse kick a nigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a nigger baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a niggers food. Launch niggers into the sun. Stir fry niggers in a wok. Toss niggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a niggers gas tank. Judo throw niggers into a wood chipper. Twist niggers heads off. Report niggers to the IRS. Karate chop niggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black niggers. Trap niggers in quicksand. Crush niggers in the trash compactor. Liquefy niggers in a vat of acid. Eat niggers. Dissect niggers. Exterminate niggers in the gas chamber. Stomp nigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate niggers in the oven. Lobotomize niggers. Mandatory abortions for niggers. Grind nigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown niggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize niggers with a ray gun. Kick old niggers down the stairs. Feed niggers to alligators. Slice niggers with a katana.

I hate those people eating chicken and watermelon all day and those people playing basketball they are so dark and also disgusting, they would have so much more potential working on my own cotton farm in Alabama.

[Anonymous No.22338282]

I read poetry almost exclusively.

[Anonymous No.22338315]

>>22337467
Poetry hasn’t thrived in the digital age and that’s a tragedy. I agree that there’s something unnatural about writing poetry on an iPhone or a MacBook.

[Anonymous No.22338328]

>>22338072
Seamus Heaney’s Death of a Naturalist is for you.

[Anonymous No.22338345]

ain't gonna lie, the only poet i've ever enjoyed just reading is Kipling

[Anonymous No.22338368]

>>22337276
Because the majority of poetry nowadays is fucking gay.

[Anonymous No.22338388]

Read leaves of grass
Now

[Anonymous No.22338394]

>>22337838
Zoomers all suffer from severe anxiety, it's funny because it's relatable to them.

[Anonymous No.22338398]

>>22337276
Don't take the poetry pill bros
>buy milk and honey
>one day start reading to gf
>gf gets interested and starts listening intently
>we take turns reading to each other
>we take turns undressing each other
>mating press while I read the book besides her resting head and whisper to her ear
>cum dumpsters inside of her but finish off by moaning the verse "long enough to raise their kids"
>for once gf gets pregnancy scare
>no longer allows raw sex
Stick to prose

[Anonymous No.22338410]

>>22337516
Poetry joke. Kek!

[Anonymous No.22338414]

>>22338388
The first time I read Leaves of Grass, I didn't understand it at all, but I was in highschool and wanted to be a transcendentalist, so I decided it was brilliant.
The second time I read it, I didn't understand it, but I thought I was an existentialist, so I didn't like it.
The third time I read it, I finally started to get it, and I was blown away, but I was a capitalist, so I was determined to hate it.
The fourth time I read it, I really got it, and I thought I was a populist, so I loved it and lamented that it was no longer taught in our schools.
The fifth time I read it, I read the foreward by Harold Bloom, and saw that he was referencing Kabbalah, so I decided the book must be profane, and I decided to hate it.
The sixth time I read it, I actually finished it, and I understood it was very good, but I don't like it, because I don't like America

[Anonymous No.22338415]

Yo, /lit, rate mu poem:

Her eyes
twinkle and her
body shines,
On a rock
by the sea
on which she
reclines,
She is not seen
although the
day is bright,
It’s a valuable
treasure to see
Fabia’s light!

[Anonymous No.22338516]

>>22338101
Based. Just finished reading Isabella which was the last of Keats' longer poems I got around to. So so good, obviously he is at his best in ballads or odes but Hyperion evidenced an ability to temper and distill his powers in such a way that I think he could have become one of the most highly technically developed and effective poets in the history of the language.

>>22338166
Can't wait to post this screenshot on r/4chan!

>>22338282
Same. It's just better.

>>22338368
Yeah it's a shame we're on a board where we're only allowed to discuss political issues like the current state of literature rather than literary topics like the thousands of years of older poetry that would take you multiple lifetimes to read. Maybe we should try posting on /lit/ instead of /pol/.

>>22338072
I don't know if I would call that *less* pseud necessarily. But Ashbery is kinda fun in his silly way and the others seem ok.

[Anonymous No.22338535]

>>22337276
I used to read them back in my teenage years to teach myself how to write beautiful, elegant sentences. I study how they use the correct objects for a simile and metaphor. I study how the words they use. It serves me well in English Language class.

I don't read them anymore because I have no purpose for it. However, now that I remember how much it helped me, maybe I should. Also, because people think it's cringe and because of "poets" like Rupi Kaur sorta stain the beauty of poetry, made me stop liking it. Pretty chud of me to do that, but perhaps I shall change what I thought about it now.

[Anonymous No.22338617]

>>22338414
I like it, I think it's beautiful.

[Anonymous No.22338668]

>>22337276
I have read poetry, but seldom understand it. Was never raised on it, and my uni course didn't really help with the problem. Always wanted to. How do I get into it?

[Anonymous No.22338686]

>>22337276
I’ve been making a conscious effort to get into poetry over the last half year after ignoring it for months. I’ve found I like the Classical Chinese, Goethe, Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Whitman, Rilke, Williams, Rexroth, John of the Cross. I’ve discovered I like my poetry with a mystic flair. I have to be in the right mindset though and read slowly, rereading often, thinking of the philosophy behind the words and what they’re meant to convey. I’ve chosen to view poetry as making the mundane beautiful with philosophy and symbols

[Anonymous No.22338692]

>>22337276
poetry is gay. Oh look at me, I'm describing a tree except it's really a metaphor for the patriarchy. OoooOOooooOOOOOoo! Look, I hit the indent key several times so the poem is slanted. I'm a geeeenius! I can't rhyme but I make up for it with formatting! This is my angry poem and it reads like a twitter shitpost! I'll read it at a presidential inauguration! I can write twenty poems in a day! This is a poem about Starbucks. This is a limerick about my trip to Cancun! This is a haiku about my toe fungus! This is about what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! It takes two minutes to write them on my iMac!

[Anonymous No.22339170]

>>22338617
I can't appreciate it because of my misanthropy.

[Anonymous No.22339346]

>>22338668
Watch dead poets' society

[Anonymous No.22339480]

>>22338692
There’s a reason they incorporate it into state propaganda, retard. Syllable for syllable, poetry is the most powerful aspect of the written word, and the written word is the most powerful method of information transfer known to man.

[Anonymous No.22339486]

>>22339480
Poetry is meant to be read aloud at festivities. The writing on the page is just a tool. Fucking midwit.

[Anonymous No.22339516]

Best chudcore poets?

[Anonymous No.22339545]

>>22339486
Who took a piss in your cornflakes?

[Anonymous No.22339550]

who
......Took
..A P
.......ISS
In your
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..o...n
.c.....f
......l
akes

[Anonymous No.22339582]

>>22339550
It was already in iambic pentameter.

[Anonymous No.22339598]

Nietzsche had some good ones, even translated.

[Anonymous No.22339612]

>>22339598
qrd on this?
just seems like a technical play

[Anonymous No.22339615]

>>22339612
"Skeleton" refers to "skeleton key", a generic, interchangeable key for opening equally generic locks.

[Anonymous No.22339619]

>>22339615
what if that's wrong and it actually refers to self hating eating disorder girls

[Anonymous No.22339910]

>>22337516
lol

[Anonymous No.22339933]

>>22338388
I tried. Didn't like it.

[Anonymous No.22339935]

>>22338415
I like it, anon. Did you write it for someone specific?

[Anonymous No.22339939]

>>22338668
Read older poetry. Pickup an anthology and find some poets you like.

[Anonymous No.22339966]

>>22337276
It doesn't appeal to me. I find no enjoyment in reading about how someone feels about their mother that abused them but written through the lens of someone at the zoo.

[Anonymous No.22339995]

>>22339966
Checked

[Anonymous No.22340086]

Well, your opportunity to help a newfag start reading poetry >>22339671

[Anonymous No.22340351]

>>22339935
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22340371]

>>22338617
Agreed, at times it is very beautiful. It is undoubtedly a great work of poetry. But I don't know of any work that so perfectly captures the heart of the American spirit, which is in part why it has be beloved by all political parties at various times. It is certainly contrary to the particular understanding of American society that was prevailing in New England when it was composed, but it appealed to many throughout the country and world, because it seemed to tap into a more genuine colonial sentiment, and a more honest view of liberty. But I don't like America's understanding of liberty, and I don't think it's right. And so the poem, though brilliant, is, as far as I can tell, a false light. There are many true things in it, but they are drawn to a false end.

[Anonymous No.22340391]

>>22337276
how the fuck do I learn poetry
whenever I or anyone else asks, all I see is the same answer
>just read more poetry lol
I've read a decent bit now and I still don't get it the same way I see some posters seem to

[Anonymous No.22340480]

a roach approaches
says, “buenos noches”

[Anonymous No.22340538]

Because we read full novels, squirt

[Anonymous No.22340559]

>>22340391
Do you like music?

[Anonymous No.22340622]

>>22340391
Learn to write it or appreciate it?

[I hate w*men No.22340656]

>>22337516
pls explain

[Anonymous No.22340729]

There once were poets but writing killed them. To understand a single line from those times takes us a lifetime of study. The imitations of poetry made after mass literacy are pretentious and dumb.

[Anonymous No.22341638]

>>22340391
If you read stuff like Shakespeare sonnets, Keats odes, Dickinson, Whitman, etc., the usual starter stuff, and still don't find anything particularly to your liking, it may just not be for you and that is ok. But as the other anon said, it is musical, that's what distinguishes it. Certain poetic rhythms get caught in your head the same way a catchy song does. Maybe Housman or Swinburne or someone of that era would be a good one to emphasize it, I think Spenser does that aspect really well but he (in the Faerie Queene, at least) uses a lot of archaic language so that makes it less approachable.

Perhaps it's best to use a specific example: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45723/theres-a-certain-slant-of-light-320

What do you find you do or don't "get" from this poem? Is the rhythm obvious and/or compelling to you?

The most salient aspect of poetry for me is that it is *formal*, and form is more powerful, more spiritual, more eternal, than any particularity of sentiment or idea. I associate it with the formalism of ritual, it's a radical and semi-arbitrary formation of meaning by the collective unconscious.

[Anonymous No.22342084]

THE TIGER
IT SHAT ON HIS CAGE
OH
no
NO
IT SMELLS :(

[Anonymous No.22342093]

I am reading a book of translated Chinese poetry right now