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[Anonymous No.22316574]

The new translation is - from all reviews so far - the new definitive version.

[Anonymous No.22316580]

post screenshots

[Anonymous No.22316583]

post cute twink butt

[Anonymous No.22316587]

>>22316574
I posted some comparisons with the p&v version yesterday. someone needs to buy the ebook and share it here

[Anonymous No.22316589]

>>22316574
Literally no one cares about the new Russian translation, and I will never read it because it's the dumbest premise for a duel

[Anonymous No.22316695]

>>22316587
Both read like shit and utterly fail to resemble Dostoevsky's style.
Just learn russian if you really want to read it.,

[Anonymous No.22316697]

Why do people want to see this?

[Anonymous No.22316702]

>>22316587
I like the ebook one better. Which one is that?

[Anonymous No.22316705]

>>22316702
the new one. op one. it’s the new definitive version. Katz is autistic about the russian language.

[Anonymous No.22316745]

>>22316587
Dare I say something controversial? You might as well flip a coin here as whatever Dostoevsky wrote is 100x more significant than the translators, who both seem to have gotten his sentiments across more than adequately

[Anonymous No.22316753]

>>22316587
>>22316705
never ever P&V
>katz ending the name with 'ey' instead of 'ei'
that's a total dogshit decision though. back to garnett and mcduff

[Anonymous No.22316756]

>>22316745
dare I say shut the fuck up?

[Anonymous No.22316757]

>>22316695
Let me spend years of my life so I can read some shitty Dostoevsky novel. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.22316791]

>>22316705
there's no substantial difference at all, because the changes all amount to picking different words from the thesaurus, or a different preposition, or a different turn of phrase that does nothing except colour in the skies in an adjacent shade of blue. For example,
>He was one of those people with no sense who knew how to take very good care of his worldly affairs, and, apparently, not much else. (Katz)
>[He was] one of those muddleheaded people who still handle their own little business deals quite skillfully, if nothing else. (P&V)
Only one difference here effects the meaning, and that's the difference between "and, apparently, not much else," which shows the narrator has heard such things of Karamazov, and "if nothing else," which demonstrates his own opinion.
Here's another example, where Katz comes off much worse.
>Yet at the same time, all his life he continued to be one of the eccentrics in our district who was most lacking in sense. (Katz)
>At the same time he remained all his life one of the most muddleheaded madcaps in our district. (P&V)
As far as the original Russian goes, I don't know, nor care, for its style, as I'll never be its scholar, but, for English style, P&V comes off the more graceful with a little alliteration. Katz stumbles. If that's the closer approximate to Dostoevsky than P&V, then he really was mediocre.

[Anonymous No.22316806]

>>22316587
The ebook has much more fluid and digestible english, at the least.

[Anonymous No.22316817]

>>22316791
>old good new bad
tedious.

[Anonymous No.22316858]

>>22316574
>(((Katz)))

>>22316587
>P&V trash
Garnett version is still best if you're not a retard who shouldn't be reading anyway.

[Anonymous No.22316864]

>>22316695
Native Russian speaker here, this anon is retarded and should be disregarded.

[Anonymous No.22316884]

another little example.

[Anonymous No.22317141]

>>22316791
katz moggs in both scenarios you absolute retard lmao, "muddleheaded madcaps" this is not a fucking series of unfortunate events book you underdeveloped child

[Anonymous No.22317161]

>>22316858
>Garnett version is still best if you're not a retard who shouldn't be reading anyway.
I agree Garnett is good but what about the claims of her leaving out entire passages. I'm not trying to question Garnett's technicality, her sentences flow like a river and I assume it to be pretty faithful to the Russian original but leaving entire passages out doesn't sit right with me.

[Anonymous No.22317329]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RSEWAMIztwQ

[Anonymous No.22317332]

>>22316864
uh, yeah
this anon is retarded
he should be disregarded
oh shit fuck I just farted

[Anonymous No.22317335]

>>22316791
what a midwit

[Anonymous No.22317400]

>>22316884
I received pic related as a birthday gift from a friend of mine and I was sure that my reading experience would be tainted by the translation and editing that would have to correspond to a cover such as this. Sure enough it was packed full of footnotes that served the only purpose of annoying the reader. Things like explaining the etymology of Goliadkin's name before we get a description of the character, commentary of works of art mentioned in the story (even to the point of spoiling the book- one footnote, on one of the pages that describe his visit to the doctor, mentioned his "declining mental state" long before it's established that this would be a major plot point), translation of *some* French or German words spoken etc.
I see something similar happening here. If you say "Yid" and have to explain that it's derogatory, you've done a poor job translating. Not that "kike" would have necessarily fit, but I would have thought that if you need a footnote to explain a concept as simple as antisemitism in Russia, maybe stick to commentaries and criticisms that no one wants to read.

[Anonymous No.22317486]

>>22317400
>dublul

[Anonymous No.22317573]

>>22316791
Agreed anon. I've only read Garnett's version and when I re-read it I'm going to go with P&V over Katz, if this is how it is throughout the entire book.

[Anonymous No.22317769]

>>22317573
get avsey
P&V reads like ESL half the time.

[Anonymous No.22318009]

>>22316858
>>22317161
>her sentences flow like a river
Garnett is utter shit. She was an Englishwoman who had a mere hobbyists’ understanding of Russian. Read Nabokov’s lecture on how badly she misconstrues Tolstoy. One of the only bits of Nabo worth reading Imo

[Anonymous No.22318023]

>>22317573
Dont listen to the contrarians on here. P&V are by far, faaaar, the best and truest Dostoyevsky. The only one that rivals their work in Russian is Bridges’ War & Peace.

[Anonymous No.22318086]

Gotta give it to Katz, bros

[Anonymous No.22318104]

>>22318009
>Nabokov
Lmao, he would shit on both Dosto and Tolstoy just to feed his endless contrarianism, you think the most popular translation eg Garnett isn't going to solicit the same response?

[Anonymous No.22318120]

>>22318104
He literally rated Anna K and Death of Ivan Illyich as first and second greatest works of the 18th century respectively. He did hatw Dostoy but worshipped Tolstoy and read them both in the original Russian, not the English trans. Not to mention Garnett was the only translation available to him in the 40s so the accusation of contrarianism shows how foolish you look

[Anonymous No.22318127]

>>22318023
>Pevear and Volokhonsky, who are married, work in an unusual fashion. She, a native Russian speaker, renders each book into entirely literal English. He, who knows insufficient Russian, then works on the rendering with the intention of keeping the language as close to the original as possible. What results from this attempt at unprecedented fidelity is a word-for-word and syntax-for-syntax version that sacrifices tone and misconstrues overall sense.
I would argue that you are the contrarian brother

[Anonymous No.22318134]

>>22316574
Is this a thumb or a big toe?

[Anonymous No.22318142]

>>22318023
I would argue that you are the contrarian brother

[Anonymous No.22318150]

>>22316574
>2 threads arguing about the same thing on the first page

[Anonymous No.22318171]

>>22318104
>endless contrarianism
Zoomers are unable to comprehend that people can have opinions.

[Anonymous No.22318191]

>>22316791
>the most muddleheaded madcaps
They really are shit aren’t they?

[Anonymous No.22318205]

>>22318120
>He literally rated Anna K and Death of Ivan Illyich as first and second greatest works of the 18th century respectively.
This is how you instantly know he was a pleb philistine. Imagine choosing this retard as your appeal to authority.

[Anonymous No.22318245]

>>22318134
eugenicists were right all along. but now its too late we have niggers who have toes for fingers... fuck

[Anonymous No.22318375]

>>22316574
nice bait

[Anonymous No.22318389]

>>22318205
idk sounds like you're the only pleb here bro

[Anonymous No.22318943]

>>22318389
yeah bro no need to tell me ik that you don't know