/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22307097]

New translation. If you haven’t read it, well, sorry but you haven’t read the book.

[Anonymous No.22307228]

>>22307097
>oн нe мoжeт читaть пo pyccки
хaхaхaхa
гpycтный!

[Anonymous No.22307242]

>>22307097
New translations coming out if always comfy. Gives something attention again and creates an incentive to re-read and re-discover

[Anonymous No.22307277]

>>22307097
Garnett forever. Get out of /lit/ retard

[Anonymous No.22307597]

>>22307097
How are his other Dosto translations? Does anyone here speak highly of Katz's editions for any of his novels?

[Anonymous No.22307613]

>>22307097
>p&v exists
Literally why pay Goldberg Shekelstein for a (((new))) translation when the best possible translation is widely available

[Anonymous No.22307630]

>>22307597
His Crime and Punishment Norton edition was excellent.

[Anonymous No.22307641]

>>22307613
What's so good about P&V if you don't mind me asking? I read both P&V and Garnett's translation for C&P and enjoyed Garnett so much more. The P&V translation seemed like something an ESL wrote it, and was very dry.

[Anonymous No.22307652]

>>22307641
Dostovesky is a dry write in Russian, too, you goober.

[Anonymous No.22307800]

>>22307641
Its lauded as the most accurate English depiction of the original Russian. This from native Russian speakers who have also mastered English.
If you think Garnett is superior, its because you were woo’d by her embellishments added because she misinterprets the original text.
Dostoy in Russian is renowned for his dry wit and intentional clunky prose. Garnette misses much of this completely, ie Marmeledov’s funeral dinner, intended to be comical as it comes off in PV is a solemn and more serious matter in Garnett.
If you think Dostoy is dry because of PV you are wrong in blaming in on PV. You think Dostoyevsky is dry. Garnett is essentially adding much of her own writing to the novels, you are essentially saying you prefer a later remake to the original film.

[Anonymous No.22307862]

>>22307097
Why didn't they translate the title right? It should be "The Karamazov Brothers."

[Anonymous No.22307882]

>>22307097
I read this one (it was the cheapest in the bookstore)

[Anonymous No.22307922]

>>22307882
The MacAndrew trans is not bad but that book itself fucking sucks. The formatting is cluttered and the font choice makes it difficult to read. Had this exact copy but dropped it in favor of the comfy vintage print

[Anonymous No.22308078]

>>22307097
If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

[Anonymous No.22308151]

Is the maguire translation of demons good? I want that one just becaise I like the cover.

[Anonymous No.22308244]

>>22307800
I'd rather read a mediocre book translated incorrectly into a good book than read it translated correctly into a mediocre book

[Anonymous No.22308374]

>>22307097
What the fuck is the point in even publishing new translations? Also that cover is fucking woeful lmao

[Anonymous No.22308383]

>>22308244
>Brothers Karamazov
>mediocre
Retarded take. The actual situation is that a great book gets mistranslated into something that's just not what the author wrote.

[Anonymous No.22308409]

>>22308374
It reminds me of the newest Ishiguro book covers.

[Anonymous No.22308642]

>>22307613
PnV is garbage though

[Anonymous No.22308972]

>>22307228
>гpycтный!

[Anonymous No.22309464]

>>22307613
>unironically shilling for P&V
absolutely fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.22309517]

>>22309464
you are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.22309685]

>>22308078
Best 5 russian novels in your opinion?

[Anonymous No.22309723]

>>22309685
War and Peace
Anna Karenina
Fathers and Sons
Dead Souls
Lolita

[Anonymous No.22309729]

>>22309723
Lolita was neither written in Russian nor written in Russia.

[Anonymous No.22309742]

>>22309685
That's a Nobo Cough quote my bro

[Anonymous No.22309768]

>>22309685
1. Demons
2. Anna K
3. Brothers Kam
4. Oblomov
5. We
<cont>
6. W&P
7. Master & Margarita
8. The Idiot
9. Dead Souls
10. A Hero of our Time

[Anonymous No.22309772]

>>22309729
It was written by a Russian, therefore it is a Russian novel.

[Anonymous No.22309985]

>>22307800
>pv good
Thanks, I can go ahead and disregard every thought and opinion you have because you are a drooling midwit retard incapable of anything resembling critical thinking that isn’t just regurgitated talking points you’ve heard someone far more intelligent than you saying.

[Anonymous No.22309991]

>>22307097
>>22307242
>>22307597
>>22307630
>>22307882
>translations
monolingual amerisluts detected. go back to festering in your hole of ignorance, cretins.

[Anonymous No.22310001]

>>22309991
If you talk like this in real life, no wonder you're on a Korean Basketball forum

[Anonymous No.22310006]

>>22309985
same could be said of you

[Anonymous No.22310047]

>>22309768
Based Demons enjoyer. Are you patrician enough to have read The Youngling too?

[Anonymous No.22310056]

>>22309991
Salute for King Floch

[Anonymous No.22310092]

>>22309768
He said top 5

[Anonymous No.22310097]

Is reading it in another slavic tongue good enough?

[Anonymous No.22310108]

>>22310097
Reading anything in the original is the best since you don't have to read a translation
but only a pedant or a dork would put someone down for reading a translation.

[Anonymous No.22310121]

>>22310108
>but only a pedant or a dork would put someone down for reading a translation.
amerifat spotted. I hope you suffocate in your own monolingual fat rolls.

[Anonymous No.22310149]

>>22309991
boohoo nigga

[Anonymous No.22310152]

>>22310149
You are an 80iq illiterate.

[Anonymous No.22310154]

>>22310152
And yet, I'm not.

[Anonymous No.22310167]

>>22310154
you are a subhuman amerigoblin. seek help. even 80iq africans know more languages than you.

[Anonymous No.22310199]

>>22310167
And yet there's not a single thing you can do to prove that. Retard.

[Anonymous No.22310212]

>>22310121
been to more international places than you've dreamt of and swooped more women from europe, south america, and asia (the original "language immersion" than you have stamps in your passport (if you even have one)
i hope that helps dork

[Anonymous No.22310266]

There once was a plumber named Lee,
Who was plumbing a girl by the sea,
She said “Stop your plumbing,
there’s somebody coming.”
Said the plumber still plumbing, “It’s me!”

[Anonymous No.22310560]

>> Post epub or pdf if you wanna shill about it!

[Anonymous No.22310563]

>>22307228
хyй cocaл нe вкycный

[Anonymous No.22311737]

>>22307800
Do you have sources from these native Russians that explain their reasoning? I'm not interested in simply appealing to what native Russian speakers say unless they can explain their reasoning. Nabokov was fluent in both Russian and English but many people take issue with his translations all the same. Either way, translation involves so much subjectivity on behalf of both the translator and the reader that I don't think you can ever truly choose one "best" translation. Even accuracy is, to some extent, subjective.

[Anonymous No.22311741]

>>22310167
Put your trip on, sir faggot retard duncan

[Anonymous No.22313046]

>>22308151
Yes it is good.

[Anonymous No.22313055]

>>22307800
>her
>she
Oh yeah glad I went with P and V. Miss me with women being trusted with someone like Dostoevsky.

[Anonymous No.22313063]

>>22313055

[Anonymous No.22313068]

>>22313063
>le epic reaction pic

[Anonymous No.22313073]

>>22313055
>>22313063

[Anonymous No.22313093]

>>22313055
You know 50% of p&v is a woman right?

[Anonymous No.22313096]

>>22310006
>responding to my post in less than 10 minutes
Oh so I made you mad mad huh midwit?

[Anonymous No.22313110]

>>22313093
Still 200% better than being fully written by a w*man

Thank God Peaver was there

You know, the best thing about not reading books authored by woman is that I know there is nothing on which I am missing out. I maintain that women *can* be good writers, but this capacity is relegated to a) children’s books and b) cookbooks

[Anonymous No.22313117]

>>22313110
>anime
>stormfag
>phoneposter
the holy trinity of cancer right here folks

[Anonymous No.22313120]

>>22309991
>Obsession with Americans
I speak 3 languages already, Ivan. Sorry but I'm not wasting 400 hours learning Russian when Mandarin and Arabic are still ahead of the list.

[Anonymous No.22313121]

>>22313117
2/3 so close!
Are you bothered by misogyny?

[Anonymous No.22313140]

You're trying too hard, anon.

[Anonymous No.22313160]

Garnett is best and in tired of pretending it's not.

[Anonymous No.22313183]

>>22313140
wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.22313226]

>>22307097
So has anyone actually read this new translation who can give an actual opinion on it? I read P&V a couple of years back and have been thinking about reading the book again sometime soon.

[Anonymous No.22313231]

>>22313226
It's solid. Similar to Garnett but more refined and less Brit centered.

[Anonymous No.22313233]

>>22307228
Aјдe eби cи мaтep, мoжe?

[Anonymous No.22313244]

>>22313231
Might give it a shot then. The only thing is it costs about twice as much as a cheap Garnett edition, is too new to find in secondhand book stores, and might take some time to get to the libraries.

[Anonymous No.22313253]

>>22313244
i'd drop in a request to your library, so few people do that it usually doesn't take that long

if you really want to reread it soon though garnett isnt bad

[Anonymous No.22313281]

>>22313226
I've only seen reviews on reddit and everyone said it's pretty outstanding. I'll check it out when I can pirate it. The translator is jewish though if that bothers you

[Anonymous No.22313287]

>>22313281
Go back to soiddit,

[Anonymous No.22313291]

>>22313287
nah I think i'll stay
nothing you can do about it lol

[Anonymous No.22313294]

>>22313291
You're a cucked fag lol
hth!

[Anonymous No.22314005]

>> Any Links Yet?

Anons, post a epub...will ya.

[Anonymous No.22314025]

Katz v P&V
New is clearly better

[Anonymous No.22314034]

>>22314025
>P&V
Holy shit. The physical is PV right? That honestly reads so fucking bad. Katz just flows right through.

[Anonymous No.22314037]

>>22314034
yes. can’t believe i ever read the p&v version. opening paragraph. the clunkiness…

[Anonymous No.22314331]

>>22307097
Is the McDuff translation of TBK any good?

[Anonymous No.22314703]

Still think P&V is Aesthetically Superior. The new one looks like dumbed down for retards. Perplexity>>Quandary.

>> Learn to Read, if you think it's clunky...you dumb retards

[Anonymous No.22314706]

Also, Fateful Question > Crucial Question

It's a noble centered around Faith you dumb retards.

[Anonymous No.22314714]

*faithful & *novel

>> kek, I'm RETARDED