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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:38:38 2023 No.22297542 [Reply] [Original]

The Endless Horizont of the stellar void Edition

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>Thread Question:
Which fantasy type is more compelling to you, one where the characters wield incredible powers yet their problems remain distinctly mundane and human, i.e. love, treason, lust, revenge...or more abstract ones, where the characters follow arbitrary goals and values to a downright autistic level, starkly diverging from goals of normal humans?

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:43:54 2023 No.22297562 File: 282 KB, 504x700, worms of the earth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me it's Worms of the Earth.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:17:02 2023 No.22297691

>>22297542
Reading The Daily Grind at the moment, in claws of my own ADHD that makes me read it for 15 hours straight fro the last three days. It's as much 'leftoid' as the other anon mentioned a few days ago, with experienced and somewhat intelligent insights, but ultimately naive and off-putting. A decent attempt at...don't know how to call it, political power fantasy? Ideological power fantasy? Social power fantasy? Something like that.

Even if I disagree with the author or find the entire thing somewhat shallow in its ideology it's hard to really dislike it, considering the writing and effort put into it is way above most of the stuff you read in the webnovel sphere. Above most of the storytelling writing, to be honest. I will probably give longer impressions once I'm freed from the cluches of my reading obsession, I'm still 50 or so chapters until catching up with the current chapters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:27:03 2023 No.22297731 >>22297562 sounds neat, i just downloaded it. >>22297691 cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:30:56 2023 No.22297744 >>22297731 >sounds neat, i just downloaded it. based

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:34:50 2023 No.22297756 Think one of the reasons GRRM is taking a while with The Winds of Winter is because he wants to be To Green Angel Tower for longest fantasy novel.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:49:36 2023 No.22297787

I want the following in a novel
>Female MC
>Poor upbringing with a shitty father and possibly dead mother
>But has the will of an iron ox
>Smart and witty
>Strong and agile
>Skilled in both sword and magic
>Little explanation her prowess
>Destined one
>Men of all creeds and races fall for her very beauty but respect her abilities
>Her pussy is tighter than any man there is
>Better than any detective, knight, or even king
>Political in nature where her words are wise

That is the perfect character.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:57:05 2023 No.22297811 >>22297756 Or maybe it's just because he's a hack?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 22:57:47 2023 No.22297814 >>22297787 Anita Blake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:09:25 2023 No.22297852 >>22297814 Amazingly accurate. Just replace swords with guns, and her upbringing wasn't all that poor, it was just on the shitty side of normal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:12:22 2023 No.22297859 >>22297787 >Her pussy is tighter than any man there is How is this a relative comparison?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:18:35 2023 No.22297869 >>22297859 He means that no matter the amounts of men she fucks, and how big their dicks are, she is still tighter than a virgin.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:36:24 2023 No.22297928

>>22297787
>>22297787
>I want the following in a novel
>Male MC
>Poor upbringing with a shitty mother and possibly dead father
>But has the will of an iron cow
>Smart and witty
>Strong and agile
>Skilled in both sword and magic
>Little explanation of his prowess
>Destined one
>Women of all creeds and races fall for his strength and adore his looks
>His cock is longer than any woman there is
>Better than any detective, knight, or even king
>Political in nature where his words are wise

Name this protagonist...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:37:54 2023 No.22297930 >>22297928 Adolf Hitler

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 23:40:02 2023 No.22297941 >>22297928 Any recent self published power fantasy.

39 of 20 (Current: Fostering Faust) Sun Jul 23 23:52:22 2023 No.22297972
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Monster Menu by Terrell Garrett

[Story]

'Nay' (which I misheard as 'Mae' my entire read) is a chef out of LA, running a taco truck known as 'Taco The Town'. After receiving a bad review and finding a sickly blue tentacle in her fridge, she decides to serve it to the reviewer who scorned her... Only for him to LOVE it. Wanting to figure out what that tentacle was, she retraces her steps during a drunken stupor before returning to a church... and an angry spider with a portal in its stomach. Sucked through and thrown into the snows of a world she doesn't recognize, Nay is lucky to find a hot spring... and a particularly talkative tentacle that hopes they can help each other survive.

[Characters]

A once sous chef, Nay lost her sense of taste during the pandemic and has rebuilt herself since. She now relies on others or the texture and consistency of a dish to determine quality. After being dimensionally transported and waking completely naked, she's prompted with a quest: find shelter from the cold. This brings her to a cavernous hot spring and our second main character 'Nzxthommocus the III, 3rd Whip of the Pain Lord' who is a one-eyed, talking tentacle. The two struggle down the mountainside together before wandering into someone's camp. The man initially provides a blanket and invitation to his fire... before attempting to rape her. Its only with the assistance of the tentacle that she's able to survive, looting the man and discovering food known as a 'Marrow' and a 'Delicacy'.

[Progression Mechanics]

Identifying a Marrow called the 'Tongue of the Hierophant', Mae learns that cooking it in a specific way will unlock a skill tree with 12 empty slots. After eating it and sharing with the tentacle (who's voracious eating earns him the nickname of 'Nom'), she gains the ability to identify skill-granting ingredients from monsters known as 'delicacies' on her minimap and cook buff-enhanced food. As Nay gained a Cooking specific Marrow, she is known as an 'Epicurist' or a chef of magical cuisine and exclusively gains cooking skills. Hunting these monsters and cooking their parts grants magical abilities to those willing to take the chance.

The system is also inextricably tied with cultivation. As Mae increases her ranks as a 'Marrow Eater' more of her MMO HUD unlocks while also unlocking a recipe book from someone known as 'Jezebel Childs' in her mind.

[Final Thoughts]

While interesting, I don't think it takes any of its ideas far enough. All the same food exists between our world and the other world, with recipes boiled down to their most basic components. No new spices or methods of cooking... The most significant recipe was near the end of the book and much more fun, but we quickly return to the most basic of cooking deliver. The book and author also wear their influences on their sleeve from movies like Chef and Burnt to games like World of Warcraft, where the MC's entire skillset is taken from the Rogue class 1:1.

4.5/10

39 of 20 (Current: Fostering Faust) Mon Jul 24 00:01:53 2023 No.22298000
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>>22297972
The title hinges itself off of its cast and the familiarity of working in a kitchen with a bunch of oddballs, but the dialogue can feel stinted and unnatural at times when Nay delivers Reddit dialogue. Its not very successful on building an interesting supporting class around Nay, falling back into cultivation or standard 'jolly tavern owner' fantasy tropes quickly. It's all too... comfortable, all too controlled and limited. The world doesn't feel quite real, but the city Nay finds herself in does. The worldbuilding is so uniquely... off that it's disarming. Not sure how to describe it. The magic system put the cooking before the world, so it doesn't translate perfectly for every other 'Marrow Eater' and its timeline implies the ability has only existed for a few centuries. Nom is also a classic miss with a companion character, having his moments of interesting introspection (in chapters from his perspective) but otherwise being a weird set piece or savior when Nay stumbles into a situation.

>Currently Reading:
Way of Choices

>Currently Listening:
Fostering Faust

I'm about halfway through Fostering Faust, so it looks like the final title in this run will be Way of Choices. Faust is... a book so far, not sure I like the constant formula of going cell-to-cell mentally breaking women in one way or another but I'll stick with it for the moment. How're you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:03:19 2023 No.22298004 >>22297972 I avoid books with cooking food, and attending academies as the main draw. I have avoided some truly pungent shit shows this way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:04:56 2023 No.22298010 >>22298000 Fostering Faust is a low magic book. It gets by on the intrigue and mind rape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:07:40 2023 No.22298023 >>22298004 I read a lot of shit but I just can't handle schools anymore, it limits the scope of the story so much to have to have the characters come back to the school until the series/arc ends

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:17:08 2023 No.22298051

>>22298004
I can't stand any books with academies in them anymore, it's something I'll be avoiding going forward. I hadn't noticed cooking titles as prevalently, but now I'm wary. Thinking about Monster Menu more, it's almost a 5 but never takes that JUMP to immerse itself in its own world. Academy-focused books crawl too far up their own ass in the other direction. MM is a mark above several other higher scoring titles when it comes to character writing, there's just some... savagely bad choices between dialogue and execution. I'm conflicted.

>>22298010
And here I was thinking the selling point was the cum filching scene. I probably should've been more strategic on my book end for the 20 litRPG titles. I blame myself.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:21:40 2023 No.22298064

>>22298051
>And here I was thinking the selling point was the cum filching scene
Look at the title of the book. It's literally making a deal with the devil as the plot, or Count Inferno. For someone who doesn't like low magic intrigue shit, this book turned out pretty good. I enjoyed it, but I also didn't enjoy Dungeon Cat Carl, so I don't know if you will feel the same as me, seeing as you rated Carl so high.
>verification not required

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:22:14 2023 No.22298066 >>22298004 Academies I don't think are inherently bad it's just most of them are trying to be Harry Potter and Harry Potter wasn't that good to begin with. Academies and such serve best as an arc or two rather than as a whole story, I find.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 00:48:00 2023 No.22298147

>>22298051
>And here I was thinking the selling point was the cum filching scene. I probably should've been more strategic on my book end for the 20 litRPG titles. I blame myself.
The best harem/erotica books give compelling context to all the cumming. That's what makes Fostering Faust particularly good in the genre. But yeah, it might not be the best book to end the series on. Well, you can always read 20 more books :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 01:25:23 2023 No.22298261 >>22298051 If you wanted to try Arand you should have picked Super Sales instead. At one time everyone here was reading it. The sequels turn to shit quick but the first book is very tight. Also you should have stuck with Level Up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 01:34:00 2023 No.22298287 Is The Warrior which is the sequel to The Coward any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 01:39:14 2023 No.22298304 Books for this feeling? https://youtu.be/qXVmZuPOzU0

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 01:50:08 2023 No.22298331 >>22297928 Unironically the average chink mc

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 01:55:46 2023 No.22298345 File: 32 KB, 261x380, WoT08_ThePathOfDaggers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Boomer anons, what was it like to wait 2 years for the next WoT book only to finally read this shit in 1998?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:01:11 2023 No.22298356 >>22297756 At this point he pretty much has to if he wants to finish this in only 2 books. >tfw people have been waiting since 2005 to see what will happen next with Sam's citadel arc

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:01:57 2023 No.22298358 File: 32 KB, 312x500, 41Cj6QV059L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just finished reading The Coward. Go ahead and ask me anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:03:57 2023 No.22298367 >>22298358 It was gay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:37:56 2023 No.22298453 >>22297691 Why would we want your opinions on it if you find his politics trash and his story shallow yet you cannot stop reading chapter after chapter like a pathetic crack addict. Your opinion is worthless and not needed at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:40:58 2023 No.22298466 >>22298356 It's hard for me to even remember what's what at this point. I finished them in 2015 and I have zero idea what happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 02:43:33 2023 No.22298476 File: 1.06 MB, 768x768, Spy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am writing an Espionage Fantasy Novel, just so you all know. It will be amazing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 03:35:11 2023 No.22298670 >>22298476 I wrote a silly Fantasy novel. One person bought it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 04:55:27 2023 No.22298916 >>22298476 Its all good as long as its not coomshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 05:26:06 2023 No.22298981 >>22297928 that self insert from Name of the Wind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 05:28:31 2023 No.22298984 >>22298345 None of the above. I read the first book and dropped the series

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 05:29:57 2023 No.22298991 >>22298358 Is it a knockout. Is it a terrific novel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 05:31:53 2023 No.22298993 >>22298476 We'll be the judge of that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 06:28:44 2023 No.22299143 File: 227 KB, 881x1280, 51u4J6ELwSL__11777.1615533882[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Kiddie kino? will find out soon enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 06:44:08 2023 No.22299170 >>22297869 No, I think he means her pussy is so small not even a micropenis could fit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 07:18:54 2023 No.22299231 File: 8 KB, 211x193, 1591193201106.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22299170 Challenge accepted

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 07:50:53 2023 No.22299277 >>22297928 me + intelligent nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 08:17:49 2023 No.22299329 >>22297542 >44 posts >0 mentions of R Scott “Black Seed” Bakker Is /sffg/ healing?

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 08:18:20 2023 No.22299330

>>22298453
>Why would we want your opinions on it if you find his politics trash and his story shallow yet you cannot stop reading chapter after chapter like a pathetic crack addict. Your opinion is worthless and not needed at all.
Because the story's relatively known as one of the better webnovels so people maybe curious whether it's worth readig? What a weird thing to say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 08:56:34 2023 No.22299395 >>22299329 Truth shines brother

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 09:39:09 2023 No.22299466

>>22298000
Lol I dropped this book midway. It was so retarded and mind numbingly boring. The MC is an asshole with 0 personality or character depth. And the plot is basically him "breaking" a bunch of women in his cell by making pacts with them.

And holy shit the parts where he makes the pact is so hard to read through. The author tries his hardest to imply consent. "oh its all consensual you see huh huh" *salivates* *mouth breathes* "you see the girls are agreeing to it on their own violation heh heh, the MC even repeats to them 10 times that its their choice and they can choose not to".

Why are erotica authors such a bunch of pussy ass librard faggots. Just admit that its transactional sex wtf . This is just as retarded as pornhub having incest videos on their catalogue but censoring the word "forced" in their search. Well, atleast the MC isn't a complete simp tranny like in Good Intentions so that's a thing

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 10:28:05 2023 No.22299536

>>22299466
>Why are erotica authors such a bunch of pussy ass librard faggots
They need Amazon to pay them so they won't write literal rape and mind break. Even normal vanilla sex scenes can get you into financial trouble so most authors are going fade to black nowadays.
If you're into rape and mind break like me, just stick with webnovels. They suck yeah, but they aren't censored.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 10:53:41 2023 No.22299582 File: 219 KB, 378x379, 1672545902117762.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22298984 >he made it through the prologue

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 11:30:53 2023 No.22299634
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>>22299466
>Why are erotica authors such a bunch of pussy ass librard faggots. Just admit that its transactional sex wtf . This is just as retarded as pornhub having incest videos on their catalogue but censoring the word "forced" in their search. Well, atleast the MC isn't a complete simp tranny like in Good Intentions so that's a thing
Because it's now written by a woman the author must give detailed description that it's consensual. Women can write any filthy erotica with full-on rape, but if a man does he's instantly banned from Amazon. You can make it sleazy and questionable, but anything past that line is a career-ending move.
That's just how it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 11:49:41 2023 No.22299671 >read random one-shot novella >really like it >there will never ever be more I tire of this ephemeral feel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 11:55:04 2023 No.22299678 >>22299671 This or reading good stores that will never have proper endings (author died, fucked off or anything else)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 12:06:36 2023 No.22299700 >>22299634 Not rape if Chad does it is hentai logic

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 12:23:39 2023 No.22299748

>>22299634
I did just read the latest Cebelius book and the protagonist is like half a step from being a psychopath because he pretty brutally kills at least two women who're mostly defenseless to him, one of whom he'd even had sex with before. Then again I think Cebelius tries to write more as "stories with smut" rather than "smut in and of itself".

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 12:28:20 2023 No.22299761

>>22299466
>Why are erotica authors such a bunch of pussy ass librard faggots.
They self-censor their works to avoid getting banned by Amazon. Amazon has strict policies against fictional content like
>noncon (nonconsensual)
>dubcon (dubious consent)
>incest
>mind control
>loli
Patreon also prohibits dubcon and noncon content so authors don't really have a choice.
>>22299634
Since when did Amazon allow full-on rape in erotica for women?
>it's now written by a woman
Arand is a man. I read his Super Sales series and it's amusing how he manages to navigate the censorship to create a slave harem series set in an alternative modern world where buying attractive female slaves is a main plot point and it can still be published on Amazon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 12:30:58 2023 No.22299766 >>22298345 Not nearly as bad as it was to wait 2 years only to finally read Crossroads of Twilight. Winter's Heart had an incredible finale and Crossroads couldn't match the hype.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:05:32 2023 No.22299839 >>22299536 >not just reading erotica from the asstr and the like

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:08:14 2023 No.22299846 >>22298991 No and no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:09:27 2023 No.22299849 >>22297562 exquisite taste

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:20:29 2023 No.22299869
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/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:21:40 2023 No.22299872
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/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:24:14 2023 No.22299876
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>>22299761
>Arand is a man. I read his Super Sales series and it's amusing how he manages to navigate the censorship to create a slave harem series set in an alternative modern world where buying attractive female slaves is a main plot point and it can still be published on Amazon.
Typo anon, was suppsoed to be ''It's not written by a woman.''

As far as I'm convinced Arand's an unironical psychopath that prays to corporate structures and cold efficiency, every character in his books is similar because that's how Arand sees the world. Women selling their souls and becoming slaves does not even register as inappropriate for him - not that it must be under evey ethical system, but Arand appears to not be capable or fully cognizant what morality or ethics even are, in essence. In short, it's psychopath kino with guys collecting capable hot women like pokemons.

Too bad he's hell-bent on making a shared universe that's incredibly off-putting, Save State Super-Hero was first attempt at wholy shared book and it was garbage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:25:16 2023 No.22299881 >>22299839 >>not just reading erotica from the asstr and the like >asstr What's that anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:31:47 2023 No.22299894 >>22299881 Search engines exist

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 13:33:15 2023 No.22299897

>>22299634
>Women can write any filthy erotica with full-on rape, but if a man does he's instantly banned from Amazon.
Not true. If you browse the erotica authors subreddit, you can see that women want to write noncon but aren't allowed by Amazon. They talk about censorship all the time

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:06:38 2023 No.22299997 [SPOILER]

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>>22299897
>Not true. If you browse the erotica authors subreddit, you can see that women want to write noncon but aren't allowed by Amazon. They talk about censorship all the time
To be fair, I acknowledge Amazon doesn't allow it *explicitly*, but it has weird blind spots. Just recently I read part of 'Dark Fate' by Stuart Grosse, who writes extremely filthy erotica. The book literally starts with the main character seeing his attractive neighbour, taking a tape, binding her while she sleeps and raping her while she cries. It's as extreme as it gets, without going full 'Agony in Pink'.

The guy wrote several such series, as I am aware. Several stories where the protagonist straight up rapes women, not even with dubious consent, jus straight up capital letter Rape. Just look at the pic rel fragment from Dark Fate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:08:06 2023 No.22300003 >>22299997 Though, to be fair, the writing is on the level of fifteen year old teenager trying clumsily to be edgy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:10:41 2023 No.22300013 >>22298358 Were they really a coward?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:11:50 2023 No.22300017 >>22300013 The real coward was the friends we made along the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:32:47 2023 No.22300074 Anyone else hype for Light Bringer tonight?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 14:38:47 2023 No.22300091 Malazan sucks ass. Why the fuck is this so highly recommended

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:00:54 2023 No.22300170 >Read Harry the Hare by Hemesath >Realize there is an Ice and Fire character with this nickname No doubt Harrold Hardying's nickname "Harry the Heir" is a potential nod to this short story, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:10:31 2023 No.22300193 >>22298476 Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:21:39 2023 No.22300222 >>22297928 Severian

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:22:50 2023 No.22300229 >>22300091 It has its moments but it drags a lot. Loved Tehol and Beddict

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:30:34 2023 No.22300255 >>22300074 Looking forward to it but not in a rush. I’m on the library waiting list; I’ve never used them for new releases before so I don’t know how soon to expect it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 15:49:29 2023 No.22300348 What's an /sffg/ classic you think is underrated or underread by a lot of people? I'm thinking 2001 by Clarke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:00:20 2023 No.22300386 Which fantasy books have the best worldbuilding?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:20:32 2023 No.22300457 >>22300348 302k ratings on Goodreads doesn't seem underread and 4.17 doesn't seem underrated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:20:44 2023 No.22300459 >>22300074 >>22300255 It's already available for purchase on Australia Amazon but for pretty much everywhere else it's 12AM PST. Might just wait for the Ukies and Russians to upload it on mobi. I'm looking forward to some space opera kino though.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:26:00 2023 No.22300478
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>Hear good things about Bakker
>Start reading Prince of Nothing book one
>Main character belongs to a special bloodline and has a special unpronuncable title, exactly like Dune
>Main character is so smart and strong can mind control first normal person he comes across and can slay multiple enemy warriors with ease
>Beast man race of faceless mooks
>Literally has an epic wizard battle with a generic "dark rider" in the Prologue
>This is the "peak" of genre fantasy according to /sffg/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:35:01 2023 No.22300512 >>22300478 Bakker isn't popular here because everyone loves his writing. He's popular because his writing makes women seethe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:40:50 2023 No.22300535 >>22300348 >Clarke anything lol meanwhile look at some of the weird antagonistic posts we get against Dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 16:54:58 2023 No.22300573 >>22298453 Beep boop, author has opinions I disagree with, initiating close book protocol. Leaving 1 star review. Beep boop

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 17:01:38 2023 No.22300591
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12 Miles Below

https://www.amazon.com/12-Miles-Below-Progression-Fantasy-ebook/dp/B0BWKDF1C7

Icy death above. Monster-filled dungeons below. He must fight or freeze.

Extreme sub-zero temperatures suffocate the surface. Frozen structures of bygone eras span across massive ice-wastes. And the survivors closely guard any technology rediscovered within them.

The only escape from the deadly climate is beneath the surface, but that doesn't mean it's safe...

Monstrous machines lurk in the depths. Unhinged demigods war against them, dying over and over, treating it all like a game. The depths themselves shift over time, more contraption than rock.

When an expedition into the far uncharted north goes terribly wrong, Keith Winterscar and his father get trapped together in a desperate fight for survival. Stumbling upon an ancient war of titanic scale, the two will need to set their differences aside while they struggle against gods, legends, and the secrets of the realm that lies below.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 17:07:22 2023 No.22300609

>>22300478
I read that stupid fucking series because /sffg/ kept shilling it; the first trilogy is fine I suppose, it has its moments in the big magic sequences and battles--some of the characters are also good enough like Akka. But holy shit Kellhus is so completely uninteresting and poorly written that I'm convinced Bakker got laughed out of his PhD / professorship position for his terrible opinions on almost everything, and then wrote an obvious self insert to own them retroactively.

Most of the "good" and "deep" dialogue that people post here is just paraphrasing shit from Adorno, Kant and Nietzsche, its embarrassing.

Malazan was better but only because Erikson wasn't concerned with fellating himself quite as much

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 17:19:45 2023 No.22300639 File: 27 KB, 565x463, 1657046759240.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22297787 >I want the following in a novel >>Female MC

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 17:40:43 2023 No.22300717 >>22300478 if you look at the averages reviewautist did in the goodreads group bakker isn't anywhere close to the most well regarded author by sffg the actual highest rated books are pretty embarrassing but they aren't bakker

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:21:01 2023 No.22300856

>>22299466
I'm a scoach past 50% and am tempted to drop it as well. I figured the war would add some additional elements or at least engage us with the MC more, but he's using his knowledge of strategy games to instantly win and gather resources, hostages, and women without lifting a finger or batting an eye. The author is already stepping on his own toes by introducing tonally similar characters, so characters (sluts) are being subbed out to develop... the same character with a slightly different name (number). The constant contract forging and repeat-repeat-repeating of the contractual clauses is mind numbing. They're also trying to make the MC pity these girls in his inner thoughts, yet begrudgingly emotionally break them and humiliate them 'as he has no choice if he wishes to live'. It hasn't come up again but it was so jarringly out of place that I had to pause for a second.

I wouldn't do mainstream soft erotica titles again, both Paladin of the Sword and this are incredibly lacking. I'll drop my review next thread.. only 5h left in the audiobook so I'll wrap it or drop it in that time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:21:13 2023 No.22300857 >>22300609 Looking for a new fantasy series to dive into. Would you recommend Malazan? Liked GoT and BoTNS Read, but didn’t care about The first law

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:28:22 2023 No.22300902 File: 283 KB, 1080x1080, 1686674166223540.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] man i read BOTNS ages ago and only now im reading urth. im not getting shit. might reread botns after

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:39:36 2023 No.22300952 >>22300902 Yeah I read urth right after the first 4. Probably want to reread my dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:40:08 2023 No.22300955 >>22297972 >>22298000 your """reviews""" are SHIT FUCK OFF

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:52:47 2023 No.22301000

>>22300857
Malazan can be hard to get into. The first book can be disorienting because there's very little hand-holding exposition about anything. It takes several books before the big picture of what's going on starts to take shape, it's very much not something you read for instant gratification. Most people who don't get filtered on the first novel drop it by book 5.

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:53:07 2023 No.22301003

>>22299329
>>22299395
>>22300478
>>22300512
>>22300609
>>22300717
Bakker is KING
>Then the madness fell away. Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac … Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes. The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled.
KINO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 18:54:36 2023 No.22301013 >>22301003 >Thunyeri, Tydonni, Kianene He's gotta be the worst namer in all of fantasy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:00:47 2023 No.22301042 >>22301000 Yeah I get that it’s tough but was it enjoyable and worth it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:01:28 2023 No.22301043 >>22301013 I've never understood the issue people have with Bakker's names, they're perfectly readable and simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:15:43 2023 No.22301097 File: 37 KB, 328x500, url(8).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just started Malazan. What am i in for bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:25:51 2023 No.22301129 >>22301097 garbage series where in the end everything ends up being superfluous

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:32:11 2023 No.22301146

>>22301042
Yeah I really liked it, but I like fantasy novels that are big on mystery and having to piece together the setting and story. If you're fine with that kind of experience, than I'd highly recommend it. It also does have some of the funniest moments I've ever read in fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 19:32:46 2023 No.22301149 >>22301097 Lots and lots of characters and you not really understanding anything people are talking about. You just gotta roll with it til it starts making sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 20:06:40 2023 No.22301240 File: 352 KB, 794x1353, 78-24604.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22300348 The Nifft the Lean series by Michael Shea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 20:11:54 2023 No.22301252 ave xia rem is excellent. i can't believe he still hasn't changed the title for this. but he MUST be planning to do this eventually, right? maybe past the halfway point? no?

Anonymous Mon Jul 24 20:12:03 2023 No.22301253
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>>22300348
I've done a pretty decent job of leading anons to this classic, but more still should be reading it. One of the best single author S&S anthologies ever. All the stories are bangers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 20:29:05 2023 No.22301307 >>22301000 >The first book can be disorienting because there's very little hand-holding exposition about anything. That's the way it should be, Jordan, Farland and Sanderlad have fried the brains of modern readers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 20:33:20 2023 No.22301316 >>22301307 Did you like Malazan? If so, would you recommend reading that series or are there others you’d rec over it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 21:04:03 2023 No.22301422 >>22301252 I saw someone moaning about the 'slow' release pace recently That's why it's one of the better webnovels lol, the author isn't just publishing a rushed first draft all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 21:24:11 2023 No.22301492 File: 37 KB, 185x293, 1690234593621.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Recommend me fantasy-adjacent non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 21:25:36 2023 No.22301499 File: 226 KB, 474x744, 1690234665733.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22301492 Here's what I've read so far and can recommend to others (1/2)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 21:26:43 2023 No.22301504 File: 296 KB, 474x734, 1690234732912.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22301492 (2/2)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 21:31:55 2023 No.22301515 >>22301492 Been reading An Introduction to Yokai Culture lately and it's a pretty good exploration of japanese folklore

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 22:37:17 2023 No.22301689 >>22301492 >>22301499 >>22301504 >>22301515 An interesting idea for a chart. /sffg/chartchad, you here m8?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 22:40:50 2023 No.22301697 Guys did the Light Bringer epub come out in any of the sites yet ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 22:47:57 2023 No.22301714 >>22301697 Why don't you just check "the sites"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:13:40 2023 No.22301765 >>22301714 Why don't you keep your blown out nigger nose out of other ppls business

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:13:56 2023 No.22301767 Any chart or list for scifi or fabtasy audiobooks? Like good narrator etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:24:21 2023 No.22301795 >>22301767 DCC has good material-meets-narrator synergy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:29:40 2023 No.22301817 >>22301689 There's various anons who've made charts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:47:54 2023 No.22301864 does sf or fantasy for adults exist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:54:46 2023 No.22301888 >>22301864 yes and if you have to ask it's beyond your level

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:55:36 2023 No.22301890 >>22301864 Yeah there are a lot of harry potter fanfics with sex scenes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 24 23:59:23 2023 No.22301901 >>22301864 ask Alfred Lord Tennyson

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:08:45 2023 No.22301927 >>22301888 >>22301890 >>22301901 i guess that's a no, then

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:17:07 2023 No.22301945 >>22301927 Retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:18:09 2023 No.22301947 >>22301927 I guess you are a fag whoe doesn't know how to search for books

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:19:10 2023 No.22301949 >>22301927 i guess that's a sneed, chuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:20:02 2023 No.22301950 >>22301947 and how would i filter for "not for mentally stunted imbecilles" or "not for impressionable teenagers"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:22:00 2023 No.22301954 File: 59 KB, 580x659, 1663920043276973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22301492 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer%27s_Dictionary_of_Phrase_and_Fable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Discarded_Image

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:22:12 2023 No.22301955 >>22301864 What does for adults mean to you. People have sex? It's all ennui like modern Lucasfilm? War and death? What.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:23:50 2023 No.22301958 >>22301950 It's always hilarious when capital-L literaturefags take this stance because it amounts to pure, tonedeaf hypocrisy that would get you laughed out of anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:27:55 2023 No.22301974 >>22299330 >Because the story's relatively known as one of the better webnovels that's where your'e wrong, kiddo

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:28:24 2023 No.22301976

>>22301955
nono, not sex, just better writing I guess.
Seems to me most sf/f novels are extremely boring and follow a beaten path.
i'd like more depth to characters, real stuff and not just "oh he's got the stone of whatever, he can do magic" or "he's of elvish blood so xyz".
just the way most fight scenes are written, a massive trope-filled yawnfest.
storylines that aren't as predicable as marvel movies.
good atmosphare.
something that takes a bit of skill to write, basically. I'm tired of wasting my time on garbage.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:31:24 2023 No.22301984

Remember if it's fantasy and good it's either magic realism or allegory or historical fiction
>>22301976
If you're gonna vaguely ask for recommendations like this it's better to give specific examples about what you didn't like and why rather than aggro posting.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:35:56 2023 No.22301998

>>22301976

Well for starters you need to understand that anything normally discussed in /sffg/ amounts to a red herring.

Another thing to consider is that science fiction and fantasy are not about characters, they are about ideas and so the characters normally take a back seat/supporting role. They are there as vehicles for ideas, not really characters in the traditional sense.

As recs go, you're a cunt and don't deserve any but I'll give you a hint at what you might be missing out on; Ted Chiang.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:40:31 2023 No.22302014 >>22301252 +1 for ave xia rem also recommend xianxia parody: Arrogant Young Master Template A Variation 4

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:43:32 2023 No.22302023

>>22301976
You won't get more depth of character. It's idea fiction, like plot trails character in literary fiction, both trail ideas in sff. You can get more atmosphere.

Like right now I'm trying to read Stand on Zanzibar but it's a 1960s dystopian novel that is so much like our modern dystopia but our current time is so much worse that I can't stand it.

Try a Canticle for Leibowitz.or Earth Abides. Try The Forever War, Dune, Foundation. Try Evolution or Last and First Men. Try Quarantine by Greg Egan. I don't know. 90% of everything is garbage.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:49:03 2023 No.22302040
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>>22301976
In think this is probably what you're looking for, Anon.
And I'll also recommend the Mythago Wood novels by Robert Holdstock, Little Big by John Crowley, the Lyonesse trilogy by Jack Vance and almost anything by Gene Wolfe.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:52:00 2023 No.22302051

>>22301316
I'm reading the first one right now. It reminds me of the Witcher for whatever reason. Its fine, but I had huge expectations when I started reading it. Thank god for Kruppe. I'm likely going to drop this to finish off Rincewind's books in Discworld instead of immediately picking up book 2 of Malazan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:52:55 2023 No.22302053 >>22301043 They're basically just faux greek, latin, and sometimes faux norse/germanic, but with Tolkien's double dot as separate syllable convention. I was also baffled by people having trouble with them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 00:55:15 2023 No.22302061 "For adults" is such a funny distinction to make, like Xanath is definitely fantasy for adults and it's also some of the absolute worst writing the genre has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:01:12 2023 No.22302078 >>22300609 >Malazan was better Talk about faint praise Reading Malazan is like eating a bowl of violently bland porridge with a handful of mnms and peanuts stirred in

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:08:15 2023 No.22302085 >>22301864 Yes, and his name is Dunsany.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:14:05 2023 No.22302100 File: 48 KB, 241x409, DestinationVoid(1stEd).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone read this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:14:54 2023 No.22302104 >>22302100 Warosu would know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:18:30 2023 No.22302110 File: 129 KB, 642x1000, 81FA66F3-B5A8-403D-8B4C-B89C0DF1B7CC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Captain Quire is such a based ntrrapechad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:31:07 2023 No.22302141 >>22302100 Long ago and I remember almost nothing other than the impression that Frank's non-Dune work is kind of trippy acid jazz. I wouldn't discourage you from reading it, if you're the experimental sort.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 01:56:36 2023 No.22302198

>>22300955
I really need you to know that it's both over for us, everyone in this thread and the entirety of the west... it's too late for us, but it's not too late for you. You need to act. You need to go and do your duty as a self respecting white man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 02:09:58 2023 No.22302231 Im not enjoying Stardust

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 02:24:38 2023 No.22302277 >try to read Dungeon Crawler Carl after seeing it shilled here >page two reveals that Carl's girlfriend is cucking him >the author still tries to present him as some sort of chad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 02:29:35 2023 No.22302291 >>22302277 You are gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 02:29:54 2023 No.22302293 >>22302277 >Man is cheated on >Finds out >Immediately and calmly breaks up with girlfriend Like, you can't really present that as a failing on his part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 02:34:57 2023 No.22302309 >>22302291 >>22302293 this fag does this every few threads on purpose

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:01:41 2023 No.22302511 Today's cops from the second-hand book shop: >Schweitzer's The Shattered Goddess >Anderson's Fairy Tales (Illustrated by A Rackham)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:06:33 2023 No.22302523 >>22302511 >>Schweitzer's The Shattered Goddess Based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:20:59 2023 No.22302549 File: 940 KB, 1600x657, Light Bringer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22301697 It's out on Mobilism as of 10 minutes ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:25:51 2023 No.22302565 >>22302549 >Shit Escalates This is worst than a self-pub.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:44:59 2023 No.22302609 >>22302014 >>22301252 >>22301422 >ave xia rem is excellent. Isn't it haremshit like Beware of Chicken?

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:53:14 2023 No.22302621

>>22301252
>ave xia rem is excellent.
Nah, it lives up to it's name and is very cliche at least up until where I dropped it when mc enters the obligatory academy arc.
>>22302014
Arrogant young master is far superior and like any parody, it's better if you're familiar with the usual Xianxia tropes and cliches while Ave xia rem if far less enjoyable of you're familiar with the usual Xianxia tropes and cliches

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:54:04 2023 No.22302622 >>22301976 You must be new here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 05:10:55 2023 No.22302659 >>22302609 It sure claims to be haremshit. I've read a fair bit in and there's no haremshit in sight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 05:35:01 2023 No.22302718 >>22302622 And you must be GAY here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:39:56 2023 No.22302834 >>22301252 >>22302014 I Just Won't Play By The Book is another good cliche parody. not quite as funny as Arrogant Young Master tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:45:32 2023 No.22302843 Anyone read Steven Erikson's non-malazan stuff? I'm reading "this river awakens" as my first glimpse into his writing and it's pretty good.. I read that he's a fan of Stephen king too. Based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:00:57 2023 No.22302865 >>22302549 Ah thanks, hopefully it's not completely ass

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:08:26 2023 No.22302874
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Are there any contemporary authors who write SF novels similar to the works of PKD or Gibson? I’m trying to avoid anything gratuitously political, and I don’t want Reddit tier comercial trash.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:25:02 2023 No.22302891

>>22302659
>It sure claims to be haremshit. I've read a fair bit in and there's no haremshit in sight.
So the MC has multiple potential love interests but they remain just friends with him? That's even lamer.
>>22302874
Give me few examples of Reddit tier commercial trash.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:39:57 2023 No.22303136

>>22300348
Probably Gene Wolfe’s Long Sun and Short Sun series. Not only is he almost never discussed outside of niche sci-fi forums (and then it’s usually only normies reeeeing about how terribly misogynistic Severian is, or the giant sex from the Wizard Knight), but most people who do read New Sun don’t seem to continue onto the sequels. It’s funny that so many of the famous sci-fi and fantasy authors of the last 30 years list Wolfe as one of their influences but he’s basically unknown to the general public.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:29:58 2023 No.22303370 >>22302549 >all those Darrow chapters Looks like kino is back.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:01:27 2023 No.22303452
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Is this the worst series ever?

Terrible prose from over-description and nonsensical similes, feels like it was written by someone fresh out of middle school. One of the few cases of a successful writer where the cliche elementary school advice "Show don't tell," would actually be useful. Extremely long for no reason, could be 1/4th the length and would be improved significantly in every way. Clearly has never talked to a woman in his life; he was married but perhaps it was some Ancient Greece arrangement where he had children with his wife but spent all of his time giving brojobs to his buddies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:01:47 2023 No.22303453 File: 10 KB, 211x207, 1322614401086.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22302549 >Part 1 all Darrow and Lysander POV

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:12:22 2023 No.22303469

>>22303452
>Is this the worst series ever?
The fact that you're even asking that just shows you don't actually read. Wheel of Time is downright inoffensive compared to some of the shit I've read. Even if you exclude self published shit, boatloads of stuff that is objectively worse than Wheel of Time in every conceivable way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:13:36 2023 No.22303472 >>22303452 >>22303469 >Wheel of time Isn't it also haremshit with 3-4 tsundere love interests? [spoiller]Is it worth reading for the romance tho?[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:16:04 2023 No.22303481 File: 63 KB, 600x364, tumblr_n70le9wNTQ1tqgexdo1_640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22303452 >>22303469 >Wheel of Time Isn't it also haremshit with 3-4 tsundere love interests? Is it worth reading for the romance tho?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:17:28 2023 No.22303485 >>22303481 No. The romance is awful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:19:34 2023 No.22303489 >>22303481 It's not worth reading just for that, it's a pretty minor aspect of the series honestly. the most fun relationship in the series is actually Mat and Tuon, but Mat tends to steal the show no matter what he's doing later in the series.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:28:36 2023 No.22303506

>>22302891
>So the MC has multiple potential love interests but they remain just friends with him? That's even lamer.
no.
he has one childhood fiance and friend who is not and can not be with him currently. and now, in his teens, he has hooked up with another girl who is his girlfriend right now as of ~170. that's where i am at currently.
the relationship seems pretty well written so far. it hasn't actually gotten to the haremshit yet and i still don't know how exactly he will tackle the issue.

on a side note, i like both girls. and i don't like braindead haremshit. so i hope it's handled well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:35:56 2023 No.22303522 File: 81 KB, 3901x2435, lewdness graph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22303489 >it's a pretty minor aspect of the series honestly why is it horny af

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:37:14 2023 No.22303524 >>22303522 Like 80% of that is Mat and Mat being sexually abused by milfs.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:39:11 2023 No.22303528

>>22303522
ROBERT JORDAN: I'll tell you, when I was about four years old, I was picked up by a friend of my mother and she hugged me, she was wearing a soft, silky summer dress, and her perfume smelled life. And as she put me down, my face slipped between her breasts, and throughout the experience, I was thinking, "this is wonderful, this feels wonderful". And though I was four I found I wanted to spend my life observing these fascinating people, and I've learned that they look different, they feel different, they are different, and I've put all this into the books.

He's been thinking of breasts since he was four. He had to get it out

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:48:52 2023 No.22303560 >>22303522 >mormon takes over writing >horniness levels plunge like a green ajah's neckline Curse you branderson

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:59:31 2023 No.22303586 >>22303452 WoT isn't very good from what I read but it's nowhere near worst ever it's just dull. Sword of Truth is a much worse series that came out of the same boom period in fantasy publishing

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:28:21 2023 No.22303647

>>22303560
I honestly don't have a problem with Sanderson all that much but it is funny just how completely non-sexual his writing is. Like apparently his editor asked him, regarding Mistborn, "Hey, are Vin and Elend sleeping together?" and he basically said "...Yeah, but I never really felt the need to bring it up."
The closest sex has come to being a 'thing' was Warbreaker and that was basically "woman sits there nude while autistic man doesn't know what to do".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:59:38 2023 No.22303721 >>22300591 I hate that I am even asking, but can anyone confirm if this is good or not?

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:07:42 2023 No.22303738
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Just finished after reading for about 10 hours straight. Not gonna lie, it's my least favorite book in the series after the first book. I'd even rate it far bellow Iron Gold. The plot felt rushed and not as cohesive as previous entries, with a ton of the plot threads I was excited to see from Dark Age being completely dropped. The action setpieces aside from Phobos and the Void battles feel too overblown and dramatic at the cost of believability and realism (for the setting the book takes place in). It felt like the author is sort of burnt out from the series and just rushing to reach the end while trying to hide the shoddy quality with fanservice and shock. You know it's bad when the Virginia chapters are probably the best and most true to the "feel" of Red Rising in the book. The ending and the character motivations for a certain major pov towards the ending just don't make any sense to me. Overall, not a waste of time, but I am disappointed. Dark Age was a huge book to beat but it feels like PB dropped the ball on this one.
RIP Cassius

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:08:48 2023 No.22303741 has anyone here read any AI-slop yet? I'm curious as to its quality. although i assume that if it is good AIslop, i'd probably not be able to recognize it as such, and it would probably more of a hybrid work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:25:58 2023 No.22303782 Do Japanese authors even write real fantasy novels anymore or is it all LN/WN shit now? Stuff like Arslan, Lodoss, and Seven Kingdoms is fucking ancient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:27:43 2023 No.22303788 >>22303782 *Twelve Kingdoms

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:41:30 2023 No.22303832 >>22303741 just read chinafic or other litrpg shit, it's indistinguishable from AIslop

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:44:18 2023 No.22303839

>>22303782

The better more modern stuff tends towards magical realism or even horror if its "real" novels and not light novels; authors like Miyuki Miyabe or Keigo Higashino exist, their ouevre tends to not be translated as well or often and the entirety of Japanese writing except for Ishiguro and Murakami seems to be slammed into the filing cabinet as far as the western literati are concerned.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:54:31 2023 No.22303862

>>22303782
Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiun_Award
It includes some fantasy despite what it's called. Unfortunately in recent years it has had more light novel winners.
As for translated ones though, not so much.
Here's one of times I posted about translated Japanese speculative fiction. It's a list of probably most that has been. The source is at the bottom of the second post.
>>/lit/thread/20343976#p20346469

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:56:09 2023 No.22303867 >>22303839 >Miyuki Miyabe >Keigo Higashino I read their manga and they were... just okay. I don't get why you think they're much better than your average decent manga.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:57:13 2023 No.22303872 >>22303839 >>22303839 >Miyuki Miyabe >Keigo Higashino I read their manga and they were... just okay. I don't get why you think they're much better than your average decent mangaka.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:00:52 2023 No.22303877 >>22303862 Forgot about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Fantasy_Novel_Award

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:07:43 2023 No.22303890 What's the difference between a light novel and a regular novel? How do the japs decide which is which?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:13:41 2023 No.22303907 >>22303890 Light novels have interior illustrations, may or may not be serialized in magazines, are published by manga publishers, have a similar sort of aesthetic like how YA does, and often are intended to become manga or anime if successful.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:15:42 2023 No.22303914
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>>22303839
>the entirety of Japanese writing except for Ishiguro and Murakami seems to be slammed into the filing cabinet as far as the western literati are concerned.
Which is incredibly sad, considering Murakami writes like a 13 year old. How he got to be so popular, or rather, how he ever got to be taken seriously at all is beyond me.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:17:49 2023 No.22303924
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>>22303862
I don't really trust those awards, like how Evangelion winning best sci-fi in that award you mentioned and Taisho Award??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihon_SF_Taisho_Award
>The Nihon SF Taishō Award is a Japanese science fiction award. It has been compared to the Nebula Award as it is given by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of Japan or SFWJ
>>22303890
>What's the difference between a light novel and a regular novel? How do the japs decide which is which?
Wiki said LN used to be defined by shorter paragraphs, simpler characters, and generally being shorter than regular novels. But these days LN has lost their original meaning. There are many ongoing light novels that surpass the length of your typical Western novels like picrel. The series is called The Ending Chronicle/Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere and yes it's got great worldbuilding to justify its length.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:48:16 2023 No.22303979 >>22303890 It's just marketing desu LN's have like 5 illustrations per book and usually come in at like 200 pages but it's just a different way of diving up a longer work vs 400-600 length novels

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:48:31 2023 No.22303981

I'm looking for newer scifi, I'm getting burned out on the "classics". Just tried Snow Crash and I just keep getting annoyed at the overly specific tech descriptions that are so obviously outdated. I also DNF'ed Hyperion and Foundation, both on book 2. I feel like I can't get into the nostalgia mindset.

I loved the 3 body problem though, so base it off that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:51:52 2023 No.22303988 File: 419 KB, 1920x656, 1491674096036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22303924 The picture of the Wheel of Time books stacked next to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:54:17 2023 No.22303996 I 'member years and years ago when Log Horizon was getting popular on /a/. Is it still hiding a substantial portion of its overall world map, all these years later?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:58:29 2023 No.22304003 >>22303988 Sure it might be longer than WoT but how often does it talk about boobs and cleavage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:03:31 2023 No.22304012 File: 180 KB, 400x666, 1491679093629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22304003 Horizon is the main series while Ending Chronicle is the pre-preque. Found this in the archive. Its less anime than Sanderson

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:10:18 2023 No.22304026 >>22303981 ringworld series, old man's war, beacon 23 and 2001 space ody

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:09:59 2023 No.22304218 File: 384 KB, 474x354, 1680779011976961.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22304012 >Far East has an age limit of 18 for political and military affairs such that they cannot rise up against the other countries. Come on, man.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:10:31 2023 No.22304220

>>22303872

I don't make any statement on their quality, just that they write sincere actual novels that are mostly untranslated. I've never read any of their manga, but Keigo's The Miracles of the Namiya General Store, while not a fantasy epic, is at least a serious offering that conveys a different style of modern fantasy that shows there's still a heartbeat.

>>22303914

I don't want to dislike him but I think a good deal of it is that he's often the first surrealist author you'll get recommended (maybe Kafka is old hat?).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:51:40 2023 No.22304341 Looking for some great heroic fantasy LNs with nice protagonists. Any recs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:07:59 2023 No.22304408 >>22304218 Forcing a country to be run by retarded teenagers is a guaranteed way to cripple it

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:17:28 2023 No.22304448

Some Japanese Media Adaptation Progressions
Web Novel -> Light Novel -> Manga -> Anime -> Movie
Novel -> Anime, Manga, etc
Anime -> Stage Play
Manga & Anime -> Live Action TV series or movie
Manga -> Drama CD
Western Properties -> Manga & Anime
Web Manga -> Manga

I don't think live action movies or TV series generally become much of anything else, as far as I can think of anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:29:17 2023 No.22304491 >>22303647 eh it's come up a few times in Mistborn too, particularly when Era 2 has Wayne having crazy bisexual sex with a Kandra.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:42:27 2023 No.22304531 File: 99 KB, 667x1000, 61RlVS82CeL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22297562 >implying you wouldn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:43:34 2023 No.22304535 >>22301097 OOOOOOOOOOH STILL WE RIDE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:47:36 2023 No.22304551 >>22299997 >'Dark Fate' by Stuart Grosse, Those are his old books. New stuff is censored. Heck, he stopped doing audiobooks of the rape books he had.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:49:30 2023 No.22304558

>>22303452
You have to understand Wheel of Time was released in the right place and at the right time. Reading it with remove like you're doing exposes just how padded and dragged out it is. That old "Jordan must've been paid by the word" joke exists for a reason. It's bad when your series has filler BOOKS you could do without.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 19:10:13 2023 No.22304626 >>22303981 There's no newer sci fi bro. Just stick to the old stuff. You'll be happier. Trust me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 19:13:41 2023 No.22304642 >>22303136 Can I read long sun and short sun if I was filtered by Urth?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 19:16:18 2023 No.22304648 >>22301976 Iron Dragon's Daughter

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 19:34:07 2023 No.22304691 >>22304531 ???? are you retarded that's not bran mak morn that's conan with belit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:01:02 2023 No.22304755 Anyone read RA Salvatore? I'm about done with The Icewind Dale trilogy and enjoyed it a lot. Probably going to read The Dark Elf trilogy soon. Anything else that's enjoyable from him? I see he's written a ton of Forgotten Realms books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:12:20 2023 No.22304791 reading witcher right now and love the dialogues, actually surprised by how fun they are. How THE FUCK did netflix manage to make every line sound so lame and reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:14:08 2023 No.22304795 >>22304341 Overlord

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:17:39 2023 No.22304811

>>22301316
Esslemont is a pretty average writer. If your autism is about the Malazan world they're fine, but even his biggest fans will say some of his books suck ass.

>>22304642
Why did Urth filter you?

>>22304755
I think both Demon Wars Saga series by him are better than Drizzt, but it's been a couple decades since I read them. The thing about Salvatore is that you mostly know what you're going to get. If you like one thing by him you'll like most everything by him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:19:38 2023 No.22304822 File: 24 KB, 263x377, A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz_cover_1st_ed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did i like it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:22:49 2023 No.22304832 >>22304822 I don't know, anon, did you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:35:14 2023 No.22304886 >>22304832 i would say its kinda refreshing to read despite its a 70 yo book and it makes u think.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:41:40 2023 No.22304904 File: 1.55 MB, 3456x4608, wanderin inn printed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22303988 >>22304003 Kneel before Pirateaba chad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:47:37 2023 No.22304923 >>22304904 Wordcount Georg

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:49:22 2023 No.22304932 File: 90 KB, 258x400, letters of tolkien.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New Tolkien book coming

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:51:09 2023 No.22304935

>>22304811
>Why did Urth filter you?
)It's not as well written as BOTNS.
)Severian gets knocked out every chapter )everything is so weird it's hard to tell what's real and what's a dream.
)Severian's inner monologues are very long and boring in this one.
)It kills a lot of the mystery I enjoyed in BOTNS.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:54:42 2023 No.22304947

Sirs i read most of tolkiens work recently. Im a "new" reader, i only got the pleasure for reading very recently. I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic sci fi, something that has the vibe of the early fallout vidyagames, stalker, metro.. Something that catches the vibe of being alone after the end of the world. What would you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:58:06 2023 No.22304960 >>22304932 No one cares. Go neck yourself off the back of your eagles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:59:16 2023 No.22304965 >>22304960 No one cares about what? And I don't know what you mean about the eagles. I don't have any of those.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:05:41 2023 No.22304983

>>22304935
Damn you really did get filtered because severian doesn't get knocked out, he actually dies and revives/clones himself each time. This has been going back since he was a child and when he spoke about how other children in the guild would die of sickness and he never became ill. Also look back at BoTNS every time in Lictor when he was starving/thirsty to DEATH and didn't "die"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:06:37 2023 No.22304985 >>22304983 Ok that's fucking retarded.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:09:43 2023 No.22304991
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Yo just wanted to let you all know I think my Gene Wolfe collection is complete. Will talk about it more in the coming week and will need to know if I'm missing anything.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:12:44 2023 No.22305001
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>>22304947
>post-apocalyptic sci fi
>in the vein of early fallout, stalker, metro
ironically, this kind of stuff is almost entirely absent from sci-fi. an untapped niche, really.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:13:52 2023 No.22305007

>>22305001
>ironically, this kind of stuff is almost entirely absent from sci-fi. an untapped niche, really.
Wut? They are a lot of them, iirc. Metro is like, the shittiest of them, only the first book is decent in any way, the rest is horrible. Try some actual interesting post-apo, like Canticle for Leibowitz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:14:38 2023 No.22305011 >>22304991 looking good anon, wainting forward for your rewievs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:17:46 2023 No.22305028 >>22304991 >Hyperion on the shelf Opinion preemptively discarded, you have no taste.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:18:34 2023 No.22305032 >>22305028 hyperion is boring as fuck after 2nd and 4th chapter, wasted potential

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:18:46 2023 No.22305034 >>22305028 It is incomprehensible to me that anyone could enjoy Hyperion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:20:31 2023 No.22305043 File: 36 KB, 499x499, 1666977990454383.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22304991 you boomers still buy physical books?? how is yall

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:26:19 2023 No.22305067 >>22304991 I don't see Home Fires, but that might be the hidden one or one of the ones I can't read.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:28:49 2023 No.22305082

>>22304991
Why two copies of Dying Earth? Is one a rare edition? It looks like you shop at library sales and/or used book stores, by the look of some of those volumes. Also, how'd they manage to get a hardcover version of Lolita that thick? Is the print really huge?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:31:35 2023 No.22305088 File: 19 KB, 306x306, YcdZJfi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22305028 >>22305032 >>22305034 You guys only tell me this after I just bought it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:34:36 2023 No.22305093 >>22305088 ahh its not bad.u can still like it, its very ambivalent after all. like all literature.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:47:53 2023 No.22305125

>>22305088
It's not grade S shit, but people over-hype it to the extreme. It's mid as fuck in content, and contains a lot of cringe weirdness and '''depth''' that makes its stauts as a famous sci-fi novel extremely questionable. I guess you can get away with a lot as long as you make it technicaly well-written and engaging using writing tricks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:56:52 2023 No.22305144 is lightbringer good after dark age kino

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:04:50 2023 No.22305161 >>22301043 because they're so obviously just random consonants and vowels smashed together without any understanding of what makes defining language beautiful. bakker is a faggot anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:34:56 2023 No.22305264 >>22305007 Canticle for Leibowitz is nothing like the games anon listed

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:43:46 2023 No.22305289 >>22303528 Jordan was a milf enjoyer? Picked up

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:45:06 2023 No.22305296 >>22303738 >Just finished after reading for about 10 hours straight Must consoom new thing aaahh i'm consoomiiinngg

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:06:25 2023 No.22305347 File: 1.89 MB, 500x333, 1679844394581043.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22305296 >anon reads book >must shit on anon You guys are literally programmed, holy shit. Nice literature board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:18:54 2023 No.22305387 >>22305347 Must consoom new thing, oh godplease has the new book leaked??? Pls i need to consoom NEW THING, what? no i can't read books written before 2010 because i need to talk about new trending book on Twitter and leddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:21:35 2023 No.22305396 >>22305387 Anon you don’t need to be so upset that someone read a book. It happens pretty often!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:25:34 2023 No.22305407 >>22305088 How fucking new can you be? Dumb frogposter.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:43:00 2023 No.22305453

>>22304755

I was always a fan of the prequel trilogy where Drizzt is in the underdark at the beginning, but I'm a huge sucker for the Underdark.

Salvatore is one of the better pulp D&D action writers in terms of laying out and writing interesting fight scenes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:45:45 2023 No.22305459

>>22304822

You liked the interesting juxtaposition between the fall of man and the ironic eternal Faustian reach towards Heaven that the Church provides, its charity mockable even in universe but still ultimately compelling through its martyrdom providing an anchorpoint for a new renaissance.

You then got a little confused by the third part when it added in multiple visions, but eventually did like the idea that even in the cycles of man's self destruction he can still reach out, and of course that final portion where despite humanity wiping itself out for the creatures of the deep it just means a temporary discomfort and hungering.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:52:16 2023 No.22305480

>>22305088

It's fine, its a little popular so it has some contrarian hate and I think that, while I can defend Fall of Hyperion to some degree, Endymion is very, very cilantro.

The worst I can say about Hyperion, the first book, is that its structure leads to some uneven quality in that some stories are much more interesting than others, I care much more about the Butcher than the Prefect for instance. But its still a decently written, fun read as long as you don't expect it to have a very satisfying conclusion. The Shrike remains one of the cooler antagonistic forces, it just bleeds onto the pages every now and then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:54:49 2023 No.22305484 >>22305088 Hyperion is great. You are dumb and gay. But don't read the sequels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 23:55:56 2023 No.22305490 Was there a book where Wolfe had the characters of BOTNS answer questions like a Q&A? I swear I remember something like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:27:57 2023 No.22305606 /lit/, much like /v/, does not actually consume or enjoy its subject media.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:58:04 2023 No.22305699 File: 228 KB, 994x1520, Vacuum-Flowers-UK.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you like your sci-fi WEIRD?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:59:51 2023 No.22305705 File: 233 KB, 1920x1080, shid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22305699 oh fug look at doze boobas

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:01:54 2023 No.22305718 >>22305699 OY VEY MR. ADVERTISER GET DOWN

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:08:36 2023 No.22305736 >>22305699 I really don't like sci-fi at al- >nipples I'M IN

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:09:54 2023 No.22305740 >>22305699 Why are the alternate covers so shit

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:10:17 2023 No.22305744
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Is is really hard to find good fantasy stories with kind and easygoing 40+ year old guy protags.
Best one I've read is from a literal isekai porn from scribblehub. Ugly Bastard System. The protagonist is a good guy, responsible, not over the top and not a rapist pedo.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:20:49 2023 No.22305773

>>22305744
I unironically enjoy Elder Cultivator. It doesn't really lean into typical chinkshit tropes (because it isn't chinkshit, it's western cultivation). MC is an old dude (like 90+) that has his village razed by slavers and decides "fuck it I'm a dead man walking might as well try cultivation" and story goes from there

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:25:32 2023 No.22305784
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>“Better a grandiose scion of mediocrity than a mediocre scion of a grand line.”
I'm loving Light Bringer, I just wish Brown had the balls to make the Society come on top at the end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:35:11 2023 No.22305807 At what point do you give up on your story?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:45:45 2023 No.22305830 >>22305807 It's never too late to give up on your dreams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:49:12 2023 No.22305839 >>22305807 I can't even write missionary sex scenes right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:49:59 2023 No.22305843 >>22305784 >fag bringer >pierce (your) brown (hole)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 01:55:57 2023 No.22305862 >>22305839 >"They had missionary sex like two fried eggs sizzling on a hot summer sidewalk" Easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 02:09:11 2023 No.22305902 >>22305807 it's been literally less than three days, espionage fantasy novel anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:03:40 2023 No.22306066 File: 799 KB, 2600x2600, 7t95mpzc69l71.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any good SF series about space scavenging or the like?

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:01:11 2023 No.22306224

>>22304904
Webnovels can't be compared to light novels or regular novels, if you were to print out The Mech Touch (often gets shilled here) it could very well be around TWI size.
And don't even get me started on chink webnovels, some of them can span over ten thousand chapters with over ten million words. Also a single chinese word often convey more meaning than an English word, so when translated to English the word count can become much longer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:05:11 2023 No.22306235 The State of the Art SUCKS. It's a "what if the Culture found Earth and then decided to Contact or not??? ft. Sma" and it's a lot of mental masturbation that I'm ready to see climaxed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:18:43 2023 No.22306254 >>22306224 The lengths of ACTUAL chinkshit are absurd though in my experience their writing style is often very frank and matter-of-fact, so translated it tends to feel barebones

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:31:46 2023 No.22306274

>>22306254
>>22306224
What is well written, poetic, and literary in Chinese turns into skeleton barebones prose even through actual translators like Reverend Insanity. I suppose you could say the same thing for Japanese. I hate how translations capture none of the original goodness of prose these stories had. Jin Yong’s stories are especially great in Chinese. but that’s the thing. In Chinese.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:51:31 2023 No.22306320 >>22305807 more than a decade and still haven't. might finish it even. some day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:11:41 2023 No.22306374 >>22304947 Damnation Alley Lucifers Hammer

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:16:58 2023 No.22306390 >>22305744 Reverend Insanity, MC is 500+ years old, and boy does he act like it!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:55:34 2023 No.22306490 File: 2.26 MB, 1920x1080, 1676377253935399.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my wife when shes looking ITT

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:27:19 2023 No.22306565 >>22305082 One is Songs of dying earth >>22305043 The government will one day erase digital books/censor/change them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 09:01:41 2023 No.22306862 >>22304991 Based shelf that saved /sffg/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 11:26:43 2023 No.22307075 >>22302014 >>22302621 is arrogant young master still ongoing? seems abandoned. i never read it because i read that it went downhill fast, but then again i hear that about a lot of series i enjoy.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 11:48:12 2023 No.22307102
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Dunebros: what exactly is CHOAM? I'm only a hundred odd pages into the first novel, but it seems like a vague megacorp. The glossary describes it as (words to the effect of) a 'universal development company'. Leto says that they have a large stake in the distribution of Spice, but what is their main function and form of business?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 12:09:40 2023 No.22307143 >>22306490 sauce pls

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 12:22:54 2023 No.22307174

>>22307102
CHOAM is weird because it doesnt really come up or come into the story much for at least a couple books. It makes me feel like Frank had too many irons in the fire and dropped the actual story beats involving them but kept them in the story as an entity.
As to what they are, I always got the sense they were like you said a megacorporation involved mostly in development, finance and spice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 12:26:47 2023 No.22307180 >>22307102 >it seems like a vague megacorp Basically yeah. It's completely unimportant to understand anything about them but this. They're never directly relevant to the story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 13:06:59 2023 No.22307287 >>22307075 Not sure. The author came back from like a year long hiatus a couple of months ago and dumped a bunch of chapter but is now on hiatus again. I wouldn't say it goes downhill but it becomes more serious later on which can be off putting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 13:40:11 2023 No.22307373 >>22305699 imagine sucking on those tits lol

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:13:08 2023 No.22307447

>>22306565
>The government will one day erase digital books/censor/change them
That's why you torrent ebooks instead of purchasing them, to ensure they don't have DRM. I would be torrenting books like crazy if I didn't absolutely hate reading off a screen. The only way I can enjoy a book is if I hold it in my hands. This is actually extremely inconvenient and means I have to spend a lot of money to read as much as I do for fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:29:25 2023 No.22307478 >>22307102 big megacorp that basically handles all the trade each of the noble houses and factions own a portion of shares which should be relative to their strength and wealth

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:41:25 2023 No.22307501 >>22307102 Dune was not very good, sadly. So many plot holes it's unreal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:50:34 2023 No.22307523 >>22301253 absolutely based Kane fan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:18:46 2023 No.22307588 >>22307447 But what about when the government takes away your tablets/electricity? You will own nothing and be happy. I too can only read with physical book in hand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:32:01 2023 No.22307608 >>22307588 I have a solar charger. If the gubirment takes my ereader they will likely take my physical books too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:03:10 2023 No.22307811 >>22307447 What an unfortunate psychological block. Have you tried eInk? If it's truly incurable I lament your mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:05:18 2023 No.22307812 >>22306565 The government doesn't have to be involved. Publishers already voluntarily do this for both print and digital. Clearly you haven't seen the news.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:08:07 2023 No.22307817 >>22306066 The problem with any niche activity like that is that it can't reasonably sustain a novel. So you either have to read short fiction about it or find someone unreasonable to write about it, usually self-published.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:08:17 2023 No.22307818 >>22307102 It's space hansa. It's never important in the story and barely brought up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:11:39 2023 No.22307829 >>22305744 It is for a variety of valid reasons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:13:35 2023 No.22307834 >>22305606 I'm convinced that every general with any activity has parasites that serve no other purpose than to harm the thread. The more popular the general is, the more parasites there are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:14:31 2023 No.22307836 >>22307834 You are correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:16:48 2023 No.22307846 >>22306235 >imagine thinking the Earth always matters

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:22:06 2023 No.22307860 >>22305830 It's never too early to live again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:25:10 2023 No.22307867 >>22305001 Yet another anon confusing the abilities of differing narrative mediums and assuming they have any idea of what exists.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:37:37 2023 No.22307904

>>22307834
>I'm convinced that every general with any activity has parasites that serve no other purpose than to harm the thread. The more popular the general is, the more parasites there are.
Yes. Except parasites can kill a host. For most generals, they completely replace the host. So generals are actually threads dedicated to preventing discussion of the stated subject.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:59:22 2023 No.22307977

>>22307834
There hardly is any off topic discussion, and most bait and troll posts tend to be sff related. Yes there are several people here that I don't like, but there is also free speech here, if we start labeling everyone we don't like as parasites (and removing them) then this place will turn into even worse cesspit that is r*ddit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 18:07:09 2023 No.22308001 >>22301253 >>22307523 raven's eyrie is best

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 18:16:49 2023 No.22308024 >>22305001 The Days of Perky Pat

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 18:27:19 2023 No.22308047 >>22307846 I don't. I agree with many of the author's opinions toward Earth in the story. I'll paste some excerpts in the next thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 18:45:38 2023 No.22308085 File: 74 KB, 1254x958, s-l300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22307812 >Publishers already voluntarily do this for both print and digital

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 19:29:13 2023 No.22308183 >>22307817 Idk bro, I feel like exploring alien ruins and stripping off massive spaceships for money is just exploration / adventure SF or whatever, not that niche imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 19:43:57 2023 No.22308229 >>22308183 If it weren't niche and difficult you'd have seen more novels about it by now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 19:49:05 2023 No.22308242 >>22308229 You're confusing a video game premise for a written one. A game could be fun. A book would either be crushingly dull or immediately move away from salvaging to standard adventure tropes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 19:57:45 2023 No.22308268 >>22306066 >>22307817 >>22308183 >>22308229 >>22308242 You talking about like Roadside picnic? Some Made in Abyss ass shit. Talkin about some Ship of fools by richard paul russo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:00:13 2023 No.22308275 >>22305043 Books smell good. Screens don't smell like anything.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:12:50 2023 No.22308316
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Just finished pic related. What did I think of it? Well I thought it was good; not amazing, but very solidly good. It's an anthology of mostly Gothic Horror stories all connected together underneath an overarching story somewhat. It's pretty unique in that regard. I also like there wasn't any modern pozzery or LE SUBVERSION going on; just some genuinely decent Gothic Horror and Sword & Sorcery.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:18:27 2023 No.22308328 >>22308316 I'd read Tales of the Dank Tower.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:19:46 2023 No.22308336 >>22308328 Shut up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:19:49 2023 No.22308337 >>22308242 >>22307867

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:22:06 2023 No.22308348
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>>22303738
I think the only seriously bad part was the plot armored rescue for Sevro. Everything else was mostly kino.
I love how most actions have a consequence, though the whole Athena subplot should have been hinted at earlier. I'm not mad at how Oculus turned out to be a nothingburger, but when I was a hundred pages in I thought it was foreshadowed that Darrow would inherit the machine thing because Figment mentioned that someone like Volga would be a god with it, and the final book is titled Red God.
Everyone was perfectly in character here, and I loved how Cassius finally became the man he was always meant to be. There was really no other way it could have possibly turned out.
Lysander is a highly complex character, and honestly I started rooting for him 3/4 of the way through, though that changed at the end. He is a compelling character precisely because he has noble intentions but always justifies the means by the ends, lying to himself all the way until the point when he killed Cassius.
8.5/10, and only because the book was much slower than Dark Age, but you can't really fault it for being so because too many battles and action scenes would just make it stale. To have impactful battles you need to have characters that you care about, and this book was all about building up characters to raise the stakes for the insanity that will surely unfold in the final one.
The battle of Phobos was definitely one of the peak moments in the entire franchise, even if I would have loved to have more screentime with the fleet battle and Victra and Pegasus legion.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:23:22 2023 No.22308352

>>22308268
No, Roadside Picnic and Made in Abyss don't take place in space. Roadside Picnic and Made in Abyss do have some scavenging but that's secondary at most compared to everything else. Ship of Fools is more about religion and life in general with some secondary exploration.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:24:40 2023 No.22308359 >>22308275 Your smell fetish is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:27:07 2023 No.22308366 >>22308336 But I would.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:32:50 2023 No.22308379 >>22308316 >the typesetting has just a generic glow effect lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 20:43:00 2023 No.22308407 >>22308379 lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:05:40 2023 No.22308472 File: 68 KB, 683x1024, 1685822188841520m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22308359 Any books with smelly women?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:08:59 2023 No.22308484 >>22308472 working on it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:10:39 2023 No.22308489 >>22308472 bbrrraaappppp

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:11:36 2023 No.22308493 >>22308472 There's not going to be that much smell overall without hair to trap the bacteria that makes the smell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:02:03 2023 No.22308685 >>22306066 Not series, but short stories by grrm Nobody leaves new Pittsburgh Meathouse man

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:36:21 2023 No.22308797 File: 53 KB, 574x418, 1639792012205.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22308493 This, besides since most fantasy books happen in medieval time you can bet most female characters are hairy all over.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 23:04:11 2023 No.22308877

>>22308268
>like Roadside picnic?
Roadside Picnic would be a good example. But what surprised me was how little of the novel takes place in the Zone. A lot of it is about being a sort of petty criminal: drinking with other stalkers, smuggling, fencing loot, getting sent to prison, etc. And then there's just the general weirdness of an alien visitation: new tech, weird cults popping up, mutant kids, the research institute. The beginning and the climax take place inside the zone, and sort of bookend the whole rest of the story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 23:07:32 2023 No.22308886 >>22308316 >Gothic Horror Looks more Goth-Dude Horror than 'Gothic Horror'.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 23:11:16 2023 No.22308900

>>22308493
>There's not going to be that much smell overall without hair to trap the bacteria that makes the smell.
Bacteria make it smell rotten. It's fresh girl sweat that is loaded with pheromones, hormones, and whatever other -mones work their magic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 23:22:07 2023 No.22308940 >>22303506 Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the author just shifted gears from the name. Because its name is almost parodic, but it's... Not really a parody.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 23:25:41 2023 No.22308945 >>22308886 Clever, anon.

Anonymous Thu Jul 27 01:02:27 2023 No.22309269

>>22304822
I unironically enjoyed the sequel better. Less esoteric and some surprisingly good action sequences. There is a jarring shift in tone about 3/4 through due to the original author dying and another writer finishing it but an overall nice book.
I am reading Diamond Mask by Julian May and holy shit is it good. I'm glad I decided to read the Pliocene Epic and Intervention series in order because it makes this trilogy that much more satisfying.

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