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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Thu Jul 20 07:56:38 2023 No.22284678 [Reply] [Original]

Where are all the good spirits gone Edition

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>Thread Question:
Has western literature lost too much of its spiritual influence due to rise of American literature and utter spiritual collapse that followed? Can we overcome barbarism brought by Americans?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 08:07:00 2023 No.22284687 name field lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 10:04:07 2023 No.22284821 File: 875 KB, 1079x1802, 1689848154890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just copped it on eBay after seeing it mentioned in semi-recent threads. What am I in for?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 10:12:10 2023 No.22284838 >>22284678 Fuck litrpgs Fuck chinkshit Fuck progression slop

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 11:08:03 2023 No.22284919 >>22284678 Motherfucker you put the subject in the name slot AGAIN!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 11:38:19 2023 No.22284972 >>22284678 Jesus fuck OP you stupid faggot get your life together, holy shit. Stop making threads if you can't do it right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 11:43:29 2023 No.22284982 Name philosophical fantasy. Second Apocalypse doesn't count because it's about religion and gnosis. I don't need political, I don't need religious, I need philosophical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 11:43:31 2023 No.22284983 >Magic Steampunk Pirate Booty That sounds stupid as fuck. I'm in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 11:59:47 2023 No.22285018 >>22284982 Virtuous Sons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 12:30:04 2023 No.22285071 File: 2.34 MB, 683x9391, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are any of these worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 12:43:28 2023 No.22285092 >>22285071 I'm a fan of Harrow the Ninth. The first book in the series is better and the third book is worse but Harrow is worth reading as a sequel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 12:46:15 2023 No.22285099 >>22285071 Find me a straight, male protagonist in this pile of book, you cannot.

38 of 20 (Current Title: Monster Menu) Thu Jul 20 13:08:40 2023 No.22285134
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Getting it in Early Edition

Dissonance (Unbound #1) by Nicoli Gonnella

[Story]

At the request of his sister, David has broken out of a post-relationship fugue and attended a stranger's yacht party. Immediately stumbling upon a woman who's been drugged, he turns to the staff for help... only to learn they're privy to a rape party. Discovering his sister, he tries to distract the frat boys and allow her and her friends to escape only to be thrown overboard into stormy waters. He awakens on the beach of another world, with a SYSTEM INITIALIZING screen in his vision and the chance at a new start.

[Main Character]

Upon engaging with the System, David is given the chance to choose a name for himself. He decides upon Felix Nevarre before a system glitch occur, setting his race as a 'Nimh' and Omen to 'The Magician'. Struggling to survive at first, Felix's extraordinary luck allows him to avoid close calls by inches time and time again. He leaves his old life behind, forgetting his sister and the yacht in favor of this Continent and its denizens. A short time later he's able to save an adolescent griffon - our mandatory pet character, Pit.

[Progression Mechanics]

Every race is born with an Omen, represented by the Major Arcana of Tarot. Specific races will drift towards specific omens, with fae races like Nimh or Elves being magically inclined towards The Magician. Humans will often pursue Strength, etc. While most races are constrained to learning only a few major skills in their lifetime, Felix is considered an 'Unbound' and learns skills as if a player in a game. Everything he does accrues a skill rank gain, from 'Acid Resistance' to 'Exploration'. With limitless potential and power, all Felix has to do is survive.

[Final Thoughts]

It's shit. It's boring and takes so long to get to its supporting cast only to drag them into this perpetual grind of skill ranks. There's no room to breathe or develop the world beyond how cool Felix is and the nefarious machinations of random groups on 'The Continent'. Every villain gets to deliver exposition to henchmen before Felix and the gang run in and interrupt. Do they come back again? Does it matter? Writing an entire indulgent opening chapter only for him to promptly forget his old life rubbed me to the wrong way, no continuity just framing. If you want to indulge in a blank slate MMO world, just start on the beach with System Initialization.

Dropped at 50%

>Currently Reading
Way of Choices by Mao Ni

>Currently Listening
Monster Menu by Terrell Garrett (Special request, replacing Re-Start.)

>Final Book
Fostering Faust by Randi Darren and WD Arand

Monster Menu Review next thread. Really only 2 titles remain in this jaunt and then we're done. Isn't that grand? I won't bother posting my big list since it appeared last thread already. Dissonance goes above Elevation but below Coiling Dragon in the 'Dropped section. I heard it gets worse after the 50% mark but goddamn, I find that hard to believe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:21:10 2023 No.22285162 >>22285134 >David Wait he was never named when I read it. Was that a thing that was dropped in the published version, then? Because his old name is never actually brought up at any point.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:33:16 2023 No.22285182

>>22285162
Mentioned by his sister once or twice in the opening two chapters, then never brought up again. I read the opening chapter on Royal Road and the Kindle version adds more context to the yacht party opening, which doesn't seem necessary given its dropped so quickly. A few of these Royal Road to Kindle books have re-written their openings, saw it in Beware of Chicken too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:41:25 2023 No.22285202 >>22285182 Huh. I enjoyed the books well enough myself, though I recognise they really have problems. The later books are... Better on other characters existing but Felix continues to just kinda be bland.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:43:46 2023 No.22285209 https://github.com/LiamSwayne/AI-Song-Of-Ice-And-Fire George R. R. Martin's popular series "A Song of Ice and Fire" completed with large language models.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:50:11 2023 No.22285236
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12 Miles Below

https://www.amazon.com/12-Miles-Below-Progression-Fantasy-ebook/dp/B0BWKDF1C7

Icy death above. Monster-filled dungeons below. He must fight or freeze.

Extreme sub-zero temperatures suffocate the surface. Frozen structures of bygone eras span across massive ice-wastes. And the survivors closely guard any technology rediscovered within them.

The only escape from the deadly climate is beneath the surface, but that doesn't mean it's safe...

Monstrous machines lurk in the depths. Unhinged demigods war against them, dying over and over, treating it all like a game. The depths themselves shift over time, more contraption than rock.

When an expedition into the far uncharted north goes terribly wrong, Keith Winterscar and his father get trapped together in a desperate fight for survival. Stumbling upon an ancient war of titanic scale, the two will need to set their differences aside while they struggle against gods, legends, and the secrets of the realm that lies below.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 13:52:52 2023 No.22285246 How many "posted every thread" posts are there now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 14:07:14 2023 No.22285287 >>22285246 They're called ritual posts, newfriend. And the answer is always "too many"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 14:08:33 2023 No.22285291 >>22285134 your """reviews""" are SHIT FUCK OFF

>>	/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General Thu Jul 20 14:27:22 2023 No.22285333 >>22284919 What the fuck are you talking about. /sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General has been in the name slot as far as I remember. It's you who's going full schizo because you are mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 14:28:47 2023 No.22285340 >>22285071 No, it's all pozzed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 14:36:53 2023 No.22285360 >>/lit/?task=search2&search_username=sffg&search_op=op History of /sffg/ threads with it in the name field Jul 20 2023 Jul 16 2023 May 2 2023 Dec 22 2018 12 more in a few months during 2018 4 in 2016

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 14:50:34 2023 No.22285394

As a note, I don't have any plans to post about anything here that I've read and wrote about here for the rest of the month. Depending on how things go, I may not be posting anything anywhere for rest of the month.
>>22285291 may get a well undeserved rest for a bit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 15:19:17 2023 No.22285472 >>22284821 a gem

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 16:39:07 2023 No.22285676 >>22285291 What is it about reviewfags in particular that get your goat? 2 posts above you is a direct, in-thread advertisement and yet not a peep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 16:40:34 2023 No.22285680 How many of you have to finish a series before starting a new one? Ive got to finish Memory Sorrow and Thorn, but really want to start Malazan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 16:46:57 2023 No.22285695 >>22285676 I have called out the shilling in these threads before and get barraged by shills and their defenders and subsequently get banned for a few days I just don't like our resident reviewfags Simple as

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 16:47:50 2023 No.22285697 >>22285676 I think he was initially triggered when one of the reviewers ranked some piece of coomlit higher than Gene Wolfe. Could be remembering it wrong.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 16:48:51 2023 No.22285701

>>22285680
I'm reading I don't know how many ongoing/unfinished series, 20+ probably. If it's a finished series and I didn't like the first book, I usually drop it and forgot about it. If it's a finished trilogy and I liked it, then maybe I'll finish before moving on. Any longer than that and I'll probably read other stuff in between. If each book is like 1,000 pages, then I'll surely be reading stuff between.

Tl;dr: It all just depends, but no, I don't have to finish a series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:14:11 2023 No.22285808 File: 18 KB, 1449x125, adam.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got a response from Adam Lane regarding the retraction of the Gideon Ira novels.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:16:32 2023 No.22285816 >>22285808 Tell him he can easily fix that by using a pen name.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:16:48 2023 No.22285820 >>22285808 Wholesome pilled, but still gay for those who want to read his novels but can't now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:20:46 2023 No.22285837 >>22285695 BASED. reviewfaggots btfo. Who even reads those long ass reviews on some retarded coomerlit progression shit

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:21:52 2023 No.22285845

>>22285808
Is there a chrome app that will take a snapshot of your desktop by simply pressing a key and automatically save the picture without you having to manually save it? If so then I might snapshot all the pages to, at least, his first Gideon Ira novel and then put them up here for download.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:34:22 2023 No.22285899

>>22285845
The DRM can be relatively easily removed, especially if you bought it legally. In that case you just need Calibre and the RemoveDRM plug-in and import the book into the Calibre library and it'll do everything for you automatically as long as it's configured properly. Then can just share the file as is. Some of the newest Amazon DRM requires more work and other bypass methods though. I assume that's where you got it from anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:37:30 2023 No.22285920 >>22285899 Failing just, you may just be able to copypaste the text. The screencaps is just a bad way in general.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:43:14 2023 No.22285949 File: 973 KB, 1091x1052, DAC09190-CCB7-4955-A746-8901E078B81B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Eon GCHD MKII is actually really solid for GameCube with newer displays. It’s pretty comfy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:47:46 2023 No.22285970 >>22285949 >Catan with the 6 player expansion I bet you think you're so cool with all your friends. Fuck off normalfag

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 17:48:30 2023 No.22285977 >>22285949 Ok, but how well can you read books on it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 18:06:21 2023 No.22286037 >>22285134 You gonna go back for a second round on some of them? I'm curious to see if you'll have any second opinions after reading all that shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 18:39:09 2023 No.22286129 >>22285134 >Dropped at 50% Good Good. Your tastes aren't that corrupt

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 18:53:07 2023 No.22286160 >>22285676 Not him but the reviews are gay, especially because they are retarded stories to begin with

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 18:53:23 2023 No.22286164 How is Against All Gods by Miles Cameron? I could dig some bronze age fantasy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 18:54:46 2023 No.22286167 >>22285949 All that retarded shit and Catan jesus christ

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:16:40 2023 No.22286376

>>22285695
Simple as.

>>22285697
Been a long, LONG time since I read any Wolfe so it wasn't me. I do remember someone exploding for a low rating of some title. Can't remember which.

>>22286037
I plan to re-read Virtuous Sons but I am truly burning out on the genre, save for titles I want to personally continue like DCC, Worth the Candle, Infinite Realm, etc. I'll MAYBE revisit Defiance of the Fall because I don't think I gave it a fair shake but the rest of my 'Dropped' section I'm perfectly fine with staying as 0s.

>>22286129
'Not that corrupt'. I'll take it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:22:27 2023 No.22286396 >>22286376 Not going to continue RI?

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:25:11 2023 No.22286405

>>22285134
can you post a list of your reviews? also try listening to a neet's guide to becoming a god. it is horrible and i have a feeling that author never interacted with another person before. Charecters devote a full working days to train mc and other illogical stuff. But voice acting caries everything

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:30:30 2023 No.22286421 RA Salvatore is better than Brandon Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:47:04 2023 No.22286468 >>22286376 >'Not that corrupt'. I'll take it. Well you did like Dungeon Cat Carl and a few other shit books that made me question your tastes multiple times.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:08:12 2023 No.22286515 File: 75 KB, 618x861, 39517808.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rec me fantasy that has Black Metal Amazons fucking werewolves and gory battles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:26:09 2023 No.22286558 >>22286164 I haven't liked anything I've tried reading from Cameron and this wasn't an exception, but I'm rather biased on the matter. Some like him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:33:36 2023 No.22286577 >>22286515 Bloodsong by Asa Drake Frost Trilogy by Robin Wayne Bailey They don't fuck werewolves but they are about Black Metal Amazons in gory battles

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:37:52 2023 No.22286592 >>22286558 >biased Why? What'd he do?

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:39:50 2023 No.22286595

>>22286405
You can see most of his reviews here
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_username=of+20&search_ord=old

>>/lit/?task=search2&search_username=of+40&search_ord=old

For the others you'll have to search them by name. The list was most recently posted here:
>>22278867

He has a Goodreads account of the same name, which has 26 reviews.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:40:56 2023 No.22286600 >>22286592 Nothing. I'm just biased against how he writes.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:42:13 2023 No.22286603

>>22286577
>Bloodsong by Asa Drake
Read the first novel. Author slathered his obvious fetishes all over it. Are the other two any better or more of the same? I mean I liked the general dark and heavy metal tone of the book, but it's pretty ridiculous.
>Frost Trilogy by Robin Wayne Bailey
Is this feminist shite?

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:11:43 2023 No.22286672

>>22286603
>more of the same?
Sadly yes but the third book is the best and much more focused on plot and character development
>Is this feminist shite?
No, Bailey is a man despite having a girl's name and the trilogy is about a woman who goes from savage cursed orphan to loving wife and mother.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:15:47 2023 No.22286682 Does anybody have a recommendation for a book, where the protagonist is an iconic villain and the rest of characters just try to deal with him? E.g. "Invincible Comic", "Homelander from The Boys"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:20:54 2023 No.22286701 What are best grim dark fantasy/sci-fi series?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:31:05 2023 No.22286721 >>22286701 40k, DUH

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:32:01 2023 No.22286724 >>22286701 The Gap Cycle

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:32:19 2023 No.22286728

>>22286396
It's on the list of titles to resume, but low compared to others.

>>22286405
>>22286595
Thanks for covering this.

>>22286468
Dungeon Crawler Carl is probably the only 10/10 on the list. We'll know for certain whenever it wraps, but every title has been an improvement on the last and it started off pretty strong in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:45:35 2023 No.22286760 File: 415 KB, 1401x2048, tcc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22286701

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:48:13 2023 No.22286766

>>22286376
I read DotF for about three books before dropping it myself. Maybe it got better since, but your issues that I can recall about it never really get fixed. It has its positives, it does genuinely delve a lot into the philosophical side of cultivation and all, but it's in service of characters I don't care about in a setting I don't care about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 22:51:27 2023 No.22286770 >>22286728 Do you listen to the audiobook?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 23:27:50 2023 No.22286850 File: 66 KB, 455x675, Kane.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22286682 The Kane series by Karl Edward Wagner.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 23:33:47 2023 No.22286860 >>22286850 Based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 23:44:19 2023 No.22286895 >>22285134 Dropping Dissonance is fair. It's good only in specific, progression fantasy-focused ways. Anything after the first book is a waste of time anyway. For some reason people eat it up, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:33:14 2023 No.22287025 File: 338 KB, 1200x1600, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22284678 You faggots told me women couldn't write

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:35:04 2023 No.22287031

>>22286895
>It's good only in specific, progression fantasy-focused ways.
It isn't, though. It's so horribly derivative of other litrpgs that I couldn't shake the feeling I'd already read it. Everything was borrowed with just one pulse on the blender. In a very derivative genre, this crossed the line.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:50:27 2023 No.22287064 >>22287025 stop shilling this cunt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:56:09 2023 No.22287083 >>22285472 What did you like about it? I've heard it described as a more purple and serious Vance (which sounds very much like my thing)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 01:14:48 2023 No.22287142 File: 46 KB, 1024x651, 1688313880552092m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287025 Hotwife Kino.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 01:52:20 2023 No.22287274 >>22287083 The author is unique. I love his Radix books as well. I'm sure many in this read can agree with his great prose and batshit imagination.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:06:44 2023 No.22287333

>>22286895
I like the first part where he was basically just exploring a big ass jungle. I lost interest once the other human characters started to be relevant though.
That seems to be a trend with the genre. It's interesting when it's purely man vs (magical) nature, but it becomes dull when side characters start becoming relevant.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:12:04 2023 No.22287354

>>22287333
I find Felix too bland to carry a solo sort of deal so I was more amenable to the new characters, but they're also pretty basic. I think I see what you mean, though, some of them like Defiance of the Fall and Randidly are are their best at the start when it's just a guy doing his best to eke out an existence on his own, but you can't have a story be JUST that, at least not unless you're really good at writing a singular compelling character to follow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:12:48 2023 No.22287356 So I downloaded a collection of Robert Silverberg. I read Dying Inside as it seems the clear favorite of his work. I disliked the protagonist, but the writing was compelling. Does anyone have any recommendations for his other works?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:35:36 2023 No.22287425 >>22287356 >Silverberg

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:45:04 2023 No.22287465 I have read no sci-fi ever. Is "Nightfall and Other Stories" by Issac Asimov a good place to start?

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:49:01 2023 No.22287480

>>22286766
Bummer I sniffed out the major issues so quickly. Don't think I made it even a quarter of the way into the book before growing frustrated. I'll continue the handful of titles that stuck with me, make a full list at the end of this whole bit.

>>22286770
Exclusively audiobook until the Bedlam Bride came out. I picked up the paperback of that but haven't had much downtime to just read. The audiobook will probably drop before I finish it at this rate, saving me a hassle.

>>22287031
I'm with you on this. It could easily be set as a fanfic to something like Azarinth Healer or Primal Hunter and you wouldn't miss much at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 02:51:28 2023 No.22287490 File: 25 KB, 592x456, you-idiot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22285333 It goes in the subject field you dumb fuck. Every general on every board does it this way. Otherwise how are people supposed to find the thread in the catalog?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:23:34 2023 No.22287605 >>22287356 Sailing to Byzantium

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:28:57 2023 No.22287625 File: 163 KB, 1053x941, 3rf34fwr23d24qsr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are (You) reading right now or looking forward to? For me it's Light Bringer and Pale Lights.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:32:43 2023 No.22287636 File: 30 KB, 333x499, ocr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287625

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:33:53 2023 No.22287638

>>22287480
DotF's main issue, to me, is that Zac is fundamentally the LEAST interesting character to be the protagonist of all the major players we've seen. And he continued to be absolutely nothing besides a guy being thrown about by the plot instead of ever feeling like a character in his own right.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:35:23 2023 No.22287641 >>22287625 Warrior: Riposte Looking forward to the Throne of Emberlain, though given how the last book had a bit of cuck ending I'm not super hopeful about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:37:44 2023 No.22287648 >>22287625 >that opening sentence lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:52:32 2023 No.22287700 File: 196 KB, 420x440, 1678131173507191.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287625 this fucking writing holy shit

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 03:58:01 2023 No.22287726
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>>22284177
I only really read and enjoy Tolkien, literally every day for about 2 years now, because ereader and History of Middle-earth, among his other work. I am fully committed to the first age now, I can't get enough of it. I want to study it and translate it and be a mega sperg about it. Before that, I just read The Red Book annually but that aspect of Tolkien is still close to my heart.
I don't care for most books, and finding recommendations online usually just consists of digging a lot beneath the Hype Train mainstream and creating lots of filters. I've only actually read a few of the popular ones like the thread picrelated you referenced. I read Neuromancer and I can personally groove on it because certain cyberpunkscifi really do it for me, but I understand anybody who doesn't. I like that, but not PKD for example.

Many years ago, I asked my IRC friends (half of whom were Tolkien nerds) for Tolkien-like recommendations, or at least anything kind of related, and I have a long to-read of 20 or so books. Out of them, a few years ago, I chose Shadow of the Torturer, and it grabbed me and held on because it was not generic, to my mind. I drop most books early on. It wasn't power fulfillment fantasy, it wasn't grimdark lame, it wasn't only dialogue trash, long periods of time are skipped over with a few sentences, it's not pretentious, the adventure doesn't stop or foreshadow or telegraph or treat you like an idiot. Gene Wolfe even inserts a bunch of tasty philosophical reflections which really make you think. There are elements of language, like Tolkien. There are many nuggets of cool-sounding story seeds which are never explained and passed over quickly, kind of like Tolkien. I initially was hooked because it is unpredictable and feels like a real adventure for me, which is one aspect of what hooked me into Tolkien in the first place.

I am not saying you will like it just because Tolkien, I am only saying there are elements I sought for years of failure, our quest for books that don't suck, which Gene Wolfe fulfilled for me. You might hate it, but at least look into it and read a few chapters past when he is exiled to get a taste. If you don't dig it by then, feel free to drop it. There's also more in a series if you want it. If not, you can safely drop it like a piece of hard scifi "neat!" photograph and still have enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 04:16:09 2023 No.22287803 >>22287064 it's the first time i've posted it nigger

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 04:41:30 2023 No.22287910 File: 23 KB, 250x283, 5162102-c2898af976a7241b3d3869b97003b978.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287425 God I know, the protagonist of Dying Inside is painfully jewish. But I've been trying to be less racist so I pushed through.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 04:53:02 2023 No.22287950
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/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 04:55:28 2023 No.22287961
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/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 04:56:49 2023 No.22287967 Just started Malazan. What am I in for my /lit/bros?

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 05:14:36 2023 No.22288024

>>22287967
nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing something nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing something nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 05:23:53 2023 No.22288060

>>22287967
You'll either love it or hate it. I ended up hating it after I finished the series. So much of what happens and most of the characters end up being completely superfluous. Shit happens just to happen. Granted; there's always SOMETHING happening, but a lot of it ends up ultimately not mattering at all. Everything could have been cut in half (and the author's terrible attempt at humor could have been removed completely) and it would have been MUCH better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:20:14 2023 No.22288196 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFAarngHwwo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:37:21 2023 No.22288252 File: 10 KB, 200x181, Jack_Vance_Banjo_Kazoo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://youtube.com/watch?v=oiOt6eW0pZI

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:24:00 2023 No.22288379 >>22284838 What is progslop?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:32:31 2023 No.22288392 >>22287333 I just kept skimming every non-felix section, only now I remember how gratting it was to read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:33:47 2023 No.22288396 >>22287490 Ah, now I see it. Different UI due to 4chan extension has fooled me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 10:38:41 2023 No.22288659 >>22285680 I'll switch books if I feel like it and come back to it later. I remember stopping halfway through To Green Angel Tower 2 and only finishing it much later. And I'll just drop something if I don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 10:47:12 2023 No.22288676 >>22287967 Long boring shit with a billion powerful edgy characters you have no reason to care about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 12:08:20 2023 No.22288833 >>22287465 >Issac Asimov Terrible boring writer. Start anywhere else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:13:07 2023 No.22288978 >>22288252 Lucky he could write cause this sounds like an anal fistula

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:39:56 2023 No.22289036
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any 'webnovels' that are actually good? I hear metro 2033 started as a webserial. any stuff on that level?

I gave litrpg slop a chance. im 30 odd chapters into TWI and don't really feel compelled to keep going. just really tumblr core shit, for harry potter fans except its worse than harry potter. surely there are good webserials out there, or does webserial really just =iseka/litrpg/xianxia slop.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:47:35 2023 No.22289058 >>22289036 Try Zombie Knight Saga. One of the few webserials with a unique modern day like setting and powers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:51:46 2023 No.22289071 >>22289058 “I’m called a few different things, but you’d probably know me best as a reaper. You know. The grim kind.” reddit quirky dialogue? ill pass

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:54:34 2023 No.22289081 File: 1.24 MB, 1280x720, 1684828044662573.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So what the fuck happened with Count Ferning?

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 13:56:52 2023 No.22289088
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What's this thread's opinion on pic related? I saw it was in the reccomended reading charts but wanted some voices opinions too. I thoroughly enjoyed the first trilogy but fell off reading dark age, the first three were solid but idk, it felt too much after a certain point. BTW I'm pretty stupid and haven't read too much desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 14:21:25 2023 No.22289152 File: 105 KB, 640x1024, 168933782657542362.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22289036 Anything by Wildbow. Worm, Pact, Twig, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 14:23:08 2023 No.22289163 >>22289152 I tried reading worm years ago. it read like young adult fanfic. Harry Potter is better than this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 14:29:06 2023 No.22289176 >>22289036 Try Russian litrpg. Not as good as Metro, but not like TWI.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 14:53:03 2023 No.22289253 >>22289163 The beginning of Worm feels a bit YA, yeah. That stops after the first handful of arcs.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 14:58:21 2023 No.22289271
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Admidst all the regularly-scheduled shitposting and off-topic spam, it's that time again, to post
>the last book you read
>the current book you are reading
>the book you plan to read next

I recently finished rereading the third (out of five) PKD short story collection. My favorite, stand-out story of this block would have to be Misadjustment. I do have a bit of a hardon for well-done reveals/twists that are unknown to the reader but common/known to the main character.
https://philipkdickreview.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/misadjustment/
After all this time, nobody still has developed a better understanding of the shifting mindscapes that comprise human consciousness than the Dick. Or, at least, the man excels at describing qualia.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:03:32 2023 No.22289290

>>22289163
>>22289253
Worm is okay once you realize that the author has nothing important to say and you can safely skim parts where anything you are remotely uninterested in is happening.

Walking home alone thinking about how her friend was mean to her? Just skim it. Thinking about how she has a crush on some guy? Just skim it. Wondering what her dad thinks of her? Just skim it. Nome of that shit is going to be relevant after the next plot event happens; it's all just filler to pump "chapters" of tumblr post tier content out. Wildbow is not exactly a fucking philosopher so any time one character is alone in the scene you really don't have to give a shit - you're not going to miss much.

And the parts where characters are actually interacting are genuinely pretty good storytelling, so it's a shame there's so much filler that people miss them.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:13:18 2023 No.22289319
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>>22289271
>The Wizard Knight (Dropped about halfway through the Wizard)
>Re-reading The Scarlet Letter (Palette cleanser after that god damn disaster)
>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:16:29 2023 No.22289330 >>22289319 If you dropped The Wizard you definitely won't be able to finish Connecticut Yankee. It's a total snoozefest

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:17:56 2023 No.22289334 Does anyone have that pasta and picture of Dumbledore accusing Harry of putting his name in the Goblet of Fire but it's in the vein of a xianxia novel where Potter is courting death?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:38:09 2023 No.22289365 File: 33 KB, 474x759, bleakwarrior.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I DARE you niggaz to read this whackadoo shit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 15:41:47 2023 No.22289373
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>>22289271
>Last
Heretics of Dune by Frank Herbert, 4/5. I liked the first two-thirds a ton. Things started getting a bit crazy once they awakened Duncan Idaho #126 but Miles and Odrade really carried the show.
>Current
Red Rising by Pierce Brown. Pretty good so far, a bit ridiculous but fun. I'm about a third of the way through. Always a fan of the Warhammer aesthetic.
>Next
Stormrage by Richard Knaak. Reading this one after I either drop or finish the first Red Rising trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 16:34:54 2023 No.22289520 File: 766 KB, 1224x1632, 20230721_093341.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Feels good to have connections

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 16:48:08 2023 No.22289546 >>22289365 I already did. >>/lit/thread/17751175#p17751738

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 16:59:06 2023 No.22289577 >>22289058 Zombie Knight Saga is bad. Not horrible, but bad. Cringe story, cringe protagonist, on constant hiatuses and mind-numbing lore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:05:37 2023 No.22289599 >>22289058 I tried that but I can't stand it when there's some wikipedia standing on the MC's shoulders telling them what to do and what to think as well as exposition dump. I only got a few chapters in however

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:09:05 2023 No.22289610 >putting the title in the name field No wonder I couldn't find the thread.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:17:07 2023 No.22289632
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>>22289271
>the last book you read
Lord of the Isles by David Drake. I get the comparisons to Robert Jordan, after finishing this book. It lacked the great hook at the end of Eye of the World, however, that kept me going with Jordan. Had Jordan's book simply ended without that I doubt I'd have read the rest of the Wheel of Time. I have the next book in Drake's series already, I grabbed them both for very cheap from a Library sale, so I suppose I will give back in after I finish my other books currently in queue. Also, man is this cover shitty in a really kitschy way I find myself nostalgic for.
>the current book you are reading
The Book That Wouldn't Burn by Mark Lawrence. I know this makes me uncool here, but I rather like Lawrence's books. This is yet another sci-fi dressed up in fantasy clothes books from him and from the first 10 pages I could tell it tied into his larger mythos just from a couple name drops.
>the book you plan to read next
The Pariah, by Anthony Ryan. I enjoyed the first 3 books of Ryan's that I read, but fell off the wagon after that initial trilogy. This one looked a little better, hoping its a return to form for him.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:17:24 2023 No.22289633
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>>22289036
Here's a couple I would recommend. I've been going through and blockling litrpg and isekaislop to find something decent. Not sure how others would rate my taste though

A Practical Guide to Sorcery
Iron Teeth
Myrsha
Tread Lightly
REND
Path of the Whisper Woman
>probably the weakest on this list, and I disliked parts of it, but I really liked the tribal setting, it's kind of rare

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:27:39 2023 No.22289667 >>22289520 feels good to not be interested in gay YA novels

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:13:48 2023 No.22289760 what makes bad writing bad if someone spams retarded slop about how hes the most powerful guy in the universe and that the world is ending and he is the only one who can save it with some sex scenes inbetween why is it actually bad?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:16:26 2023 No.22289769 >>22289760 Other people like it. So it's bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:18:24 2023 No.22289777 >>22289769 what if no one reads it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:21:04 2023 No.22289789 >>22289760 no one would ever call Jesus a Mary Sue

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:25:06 2023 No.22289804

>>22289760
Most people want tension, a belief, or at least, the illusion, that the main character can fail. People like the idea that they don't know what will happen next, as it adds excitement to the story. Thing is you and I both know the main character wins 99% of the time in all books, or maybe he wins but at a cost.

If the main character is too powerful then every conflict feels boring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:33:22 2023 No.22289827 >>22289760 Bad writing is bad if I'm not having fun reading it. It's that simple.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:34:30 2023 No.22289832 File: 249 KB, 1678x2600, The Power of Jaw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is a man, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:38:39 2023 No.22289851 >>22289832 Sir this is the science fiction and fantasy thread. Please keep all discussion of non-fiction and trannies in outer/lit/. Also no, she's just a woman with an unfortunate head shape.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:41:01 2023 No.22289862

>>22289760
There's two meanings to this. There's writing as prose, and writing as narrative. I think you're asking about narrative writing. For me, what makes a narrative bad is hackneyed plots and cliched characters. The more I feel like I've already read this story, seen these particular tropes and cliches unfold, the less I feel like I have to finish the book. I don't demand total originality, after all I'd hardly be a fan of genre fiction in general, and fantasy in particular, if I turned my nose up at cliches, but I expect some kind of effort to hook me into the story. Humor, titillation, mystery, drama, can be almost anything. I just have to have a reason to turn the page after I recognize where the story is going and can predict with reasonable accuracy how it will end. If it can do that, I don't bother, the book is closed and sold to a used book store.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:43:33 2023 No.22289872 >>22289546 And you loved it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:51:52 2023 No.22289903

>>22289760
There's being poorly written in terms of word choice, grammar, etc, and then there's bad storytelling with lots of plot holes and flimsy characterizations that don't hold up to basic scrutiny. Some people simply demand more from what they read, and aren't satisfied with a basic power fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:53:10 2023 No.22289906 >>22289760 It's coomer garbage.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 18:53:25 2023 No.22289907

>>22289760
Writing can fail on different levels from "objectively bad" to "subjectively bad."
>typos, incorrect formatting, etc
Objectively wrong. If it's clear there's an intent you can invent your own rules McCarthy style but even then you have to be consistent.
>characters speak and act in nonsensical ways, narrative prose is uninsightful and plodding
Subjectively incorrect, but still identifiable by most people as being "bad." You can pull out individual chunks of the writing and read them aloud and you'll sound like an idiot.
>nothing happens in the plot, characters don't learn anything interesting, issues are unresolved or resolved in unsatisfying ways
Storytelling issues are fully subjective, even the frameworks under which story structure should be discussed is a subjective issue. But when a story falls outside the realm of any of those established frameworks, it damns the writing more than the first two types of failure can. The more a story fails here, the harder it is to explain to people why it's bad - but the fact that it's hard to explain why it's bad is part of what makes it bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:02:39 2023 No.22289938 >>22289851 >Also no, she's just a woman with an unfortunate head shape. Can't tell with you Americans

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:13:37 2023 No.22289984 File: 34 KB, 1000x1000, 1621401972074.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22289938 >Can't tell with you Americans

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:31:04 2023 No.22290047

Are there any fantasy with minority characters with logical reasons for their existence in a medieval setting? Shit like the black Velaryons in HotD, or the nonsensically diverse Two Rivers in the WoT tv show pisses me off, because I'm too autistic to blindly accept them. Asking because I'm fucking fed up with people throwing in diversity for the sake of diversity without any consideration for the setting at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:37:20 2023 No.22290064 File: 97 KB, 640x960, bloodsong_hel_x_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22289271 >>the current book you are reading

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:41:30 2023 No.22290077 >>22285394 Thank God.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:42:58 2023 No.22290085 >>22290047 Most fantasy published before 2012

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:46:42 2023 No.22290095 >>22290047 Malazan

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 19:49:28 2023 No.22290108 >>22290077 It may just be the calm before the storm.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 20:11:55 2023 No.22290184 >>22290047 Just read older stuff. It's all better anyways.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 20:19:11 2023 No.22290211 >>22290184 >It's all better anyways. Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 21:00:54 2023 No.22290359 >>22290211 No expectations from the modern publishing industry or the nu-fantasy crowd (wimmen).

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 21:35:01 2023 No.22290454
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>>22290211
Main reason is probably because those writers like Vance, Wolfe, Robert Howard- read the classics. While contemporary writers probably haven't even read those that have read the classics. It shows in their amateur prose and concepts.
I know this gets thrown around a lot but we do live in Idiocracy. We see it not only in literature but in every facet of art. I'm sure you have seen the many threads discussing the low standards in modern writing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 21:44:54 2023 No.22290493 >>22290454 nigga 90% of the shit you linked was made of paper mache

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 21:58:59 2023 No.22290541

>>22290047
Almost all characters in Bakker’s Second Apocalypse range from swarthy wogs to those midnight black slendermen you see in Apple advertisements. You just don’t notice because 95% of the physical descriptions are of the blond Anasûrimbors. Does that count?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:01:00 2023 No.22290546 >>22290493 But they would make gross-looking turds out of paper mache today

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:18:38 2023 No.22290626 >>22289036 Read lord of mysteries then circle of inevitability then deep sea embers Everything else is skippable t. Connoisseur

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:24:52 2023 No.22290645

>>22289036
There's webnovels that are worth reading as much as published fantasy that aims for the same type of reader.
Like My House of Horrors isn't as good as my absolute favorite books but it's better than say Rivers of London at doing the secret world urban fantasy/horror genre

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:25:53 2023 No.22290650 >>22290626 deep sea embers isn't very good lol, it just doesn't explain anything at the beginning which gets mistaken for good worldbuilding

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:26:08 2023 No.22290652

>>22290064
>read the first book
>author has multiple scenes of women being stripped, chained, and tortured (one right at the very beginning)
>obvious fetish of his
>start in on the second book today
> 5 chapters in
>no similar scenes so far
>"I guess he realized how much of a pervert he came across in the first novel"
>read next chapter
>suddenly two different scenes back to back with two different women being stripped, chained, and/or tortured
This guy just couldn't help himself it seems.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:27:05 2023 No.22290653

>>22290047
What you're objecting to is more about internal consistency than it is about racial representation. It's logically inconsistent for a remote region like the Two Rivers to be multi-ethnic, as they go several generations without any outsiders coming to visit, let alone joining their communities. Many centuries of such isolation would lead to homogeneity in physical traits.

This is something the Amazon show didn't bother to consider when they made Eamond's Field a multiracial hub. This tiny village at the ass end of nowhere, which has not even seen a tax collector from their distant monarch in living memory, is somehow still as racially diverse as a port city getting traffic from several continents. Makes no sense.

Also, when you use terms like "minority" and "diversity" it's hard for me to tell if you actually know what these words mean or if you're simply using them as buzzwords. Cause it seems like you're using "minority" to mean "black people" and "diversity" to mean "presence of black people". If that's what you mean, just say it plainly. I very much dislike the way these terms are used to obfuscate racial discourse, because they're perfectly serviceable and meaningful terms when used correctly, and in this particular case the correct meaning of "minority" (read: racial minority) is pertinent here, but I don't want to launch into a spiel about it if you're just using it in the modern parlance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:29:18 2023 No.22290661 >>22290650 It gets good at chapter 300 trust me bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:32:55 2023 No.22290671 Any good korean or chinese game/cultivation novels finished in the past two years?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:35:37 2023 No.22290684 >>22290671 legendary mechanic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:38:53 2023 No.22290697 >>22290684 thanks bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:48:16 2023 No.22290731 >>22290671 I liked Master Hunter K, and Solo Leveling was good for a while but is starting to overstay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 22:51:02 2023 No.22290742 >>22290671 Journey to the West by Ruzhong

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 23:02:40 2023 No.22290791 >>22290742 I remember buying the paperback a long time ago from Amazon and then dropping it because that shit had missing pages

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 23:11:36 2023 No.22290816 >>22290791 Not them but if you seriously want to read it you need to get the anthony yu translations, unfortunately it's 4 volumes and like $100 total because they're technically academic books

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 23:35:52 2023 No.22290881 >>22289152 Wildbow is nearly done with Pale after nearly 3 years. It’s fucking fantastic. https://palewebserial.wordpress.com/about/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 23:40:48 2023 No.22290898 >>22287625 How'd you get the Light Bringer early anon Mind sharing the file here ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 00:22:23 2023 No.22290984 >>22290626 >lord of mysteries so far it seems kind of shoddily translated. its ok... im guessing it gets better after 2832 pages?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:10:00 2023 No.22291079

>>22290984
It's intentional and present in the original language.
He's using a more ornate style of writing to help convey the setting, if you read the author's previous work it's a more straightforward sports/romance story and the language use is much simpler.

But also it unironically really gets into gear after about 150 chapters, which is why I'd hesitate to recommend it as freely as people like that anon do.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:12:38 2023 No.22291088

>>22290984
The translation is kinda shoddy, yeah. It is sometimes updated in the official webnovel.com website, but only fixes minor spelling mistakes and some information that is important for book 2 (like cornucopia of inevitability being changed to circle of inevitability) but you would need to paypig a fuck ton to unlock everything so most people don't bother.
Is still is an amazing novel and it only begins at chapter 210.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:17:25 2023 No.22291095 >>22289290 >exploring themes through character development = filler Whatever you say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:28:24 2023 No.22291123 >>22285092 This is true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:29:47 2023 No.22291127 >>22285071 Blake Crouch is underrated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:33:58 2023 No.22291133 >>22285333 >doubles down on his retardation

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:36:33 2023 No.22291143 >>22291127 What's it about?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:40:47 2023 No.22291154

>>22285071
First Sister was alright, I actually like the Arkady Martine books. Anything Mike Carey writes is good but iirc Koli is him trying ya
Winters Orbit was actual shit tho just to show that I'm not just praising the only books I've read from that list

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 01:45:58 2023 No.22291169 >>22291127 Nome of these authors in the list are underrated you tard that's why they're in a fkn Goodreads article on the home page.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:20:21 2023 No.22291289 >>22285071 >>22275199

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:23:40 2023 No.22291307 >>22291127 Next you'll say Brandon Sanderson is underrated. Way of Kings and Dark Matter have basically the same amount of ratings. Crouch is one of the most popular pop-SF technothriller writers there is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:26:11 2023 No.22291324 who is the cormac mccarthy of sci fi

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:26:17 2023 No.22291327
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If you've ever wanted to see what chef Clive from Sunderland gets up to when he and his m8s get isekaied well here's your boy. Clive is a bleh bleh bleh whatever but the thing I like is that he sticks with it, through all 34 hours of audiobook (of volume 1!). He comes off as an ingrate douche, then the offer turns out to be a trojan horse. One by one, helpful friends show their own agenda. It's not sophisticated writing, but there's enough give and take in allegiance to keep things rolling.

The giant size, I don't know what to say. Author could have chopped it up and made more money. I'm moving on to v2, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who was genre naive. If you know what you can tolerate and can sense it in an hour or so why not. You don't want to commit to something of this size unless you know yourself.

I'm not encouraged that the author has expanded it to 4 volumes. Seems like a milker. But I'm moving on to vol 2 and anonymity compels me to reveal that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:36:53 2023 No.22291354 >>22290898 Brent Weeks leaked it.

sore Sat Jul 22 02:37:47 2023 No.22291356
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>>22284678

>Thread Question:
Has western literature lost too much of its spiritual influence due to rise of American literature and utter spiritual collapse that followed? Can we overcome barbarism brought by Americans?

Culture has only been made by a few authors, a few physolophers, a few writers, a few scientists, a few artists, fashion designers, cookers, architects... Over 1000 years, a few thousand individuals.
It is because of the uniformization through education that the quality of these people has collapsed. A burger only hurts those who stop cooking home for themselves, It's the act of letting go individual responsabilies that gives way to the substitution by the American culture. This culture does not force anyone, everyone is free to accept it or to prefer the reading of Lautréamont, Goethe, Tolkien, Dante or Villier de l'Isle Adam.

The root cause is the vast nature of most humans which is evil, indolent and quick to submit to the strongest for security and food. Can we blame them? I have no answer. I would say, everyone shall do what he thinks he has to, may the better granted among the waste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:38:25 2023 No.22291357 >>22291307 Crouch>>>>>>>>>Sanderson

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:44:01 2023 No.22291368 File: 32 KB, 730x562, 1611934080599.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22291356

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:45:34 2023 No.22291371 >>22291356 Europe really has collapsed, I can agree to that with you. America is such a cultural giant that there's bound to be collateral damage. Shame there's no competitors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:50:25 2023 No.22291377 File: 35 KB, 720x516, kanon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22291169 >thinking Goodreads means anything about authors

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:52:01 2023 No.22291380 >>22291307 Here, anon, here. When has Blake Crouch ever been even mentioned in this general?!? All we get is chinkshit, Bakker fags, and BrandoSando.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 02:53:35 2023 No.22291383 File: 3.91 MB, 1920x1080, 1677008510412974.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22291356 Right, it's all because of American literature that this all happened

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 03:02:18 2023 No.22291401 >>22291380 There's been various mentions if you search the archive and Upgrade, his 2022, release was the second most read book in the /sffg/ Goodreads group for books released in 2022. Though why that was is a separate matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 03:06:33 2023 No.22291412 >>22291377 Is there something that means anything about authors?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 04:35:59 2023 No.22291614 >>22291354 lying is a sin anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 05:17:15 2023 No.22291676 >>22287605 Thanks, it was a pretty interesting concept, and I like a romantic ending. I'll start on the Stochastic man next as the title sounds cool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 06:03:34 2023 No.22291765 >>22291095 >character development = the protag thinking the same thing to herself for six paragraphs "no"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 06:15:21 2023 No.22291783 i bought 6 books of mistborne in xmas and i still havent stopped to read them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 06:29:00 2023 No.22291802 >>22291783 Don't read them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 06:29:52 2023 No.22291804 >>22291802 I will now read them Thanks fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 07:21:58 2023 No.22291896 >>22291412 my opinions

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:00:25 2023 No.22292064

WAOW GUYS
naomi nagata is SUCH a talented engineer. but not only that! she is also PRETTY and even her VOICE is perfect. and everyone likes her INSTANTLY. and she's NATURALLY TALENTED at things she's never done before, INSTANTLY way better than AMATEURS who've trained for months. she's also COOL UNDER PRESSURE. and EARNEST and BRAVE when delivering bad news, almost FRIGHTENINGLY so. and even her FACE is SMART
we are so LUCKY to be reading a book that features NAOMI NAGATA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:39:53 2023 No.22292134 >>22289319 >>The Wizard Knight (Dropped about halfway through the Wizard) But why

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:47:20 2023 No.22292148 What books have a similar tone to Draka? The first book was my favorite. I dig the cruel aesthetic.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 10:12:41 2023 No.22292179
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Title: Kitty Cat Kill Sat
Author: Argus

[Story]
Humanity's long technological journey had led to a Golden Age, creating wonder and miracles that beggar understanding. It's been many, many thousands of years since that time. The solar system is a mess, humanity and its off-shots - biological and artificial - dwell on moons, planets, space-ships or artificial habitats, unconnected and fearful. Some live on devastated Earth, populated by small or bigger communities with various level od advancement. The space is full of debris, rouge battle-station, malicious AIs and automated combat drones. Not a pleasant place.

Above Earth's sky the planet is orbited by the gigantic Station, one of the greatest creations of humanity, built, improved and controlled by many over the millennia. Its sole inhabitant, captain and self-named protector of humanity is Lily Ad-Alice - working tirelessly to thwart dimensional incursions, nuking authoritarian regimes with orbital anti-matter cannons, repairing her home and napping in the mean-time.

Lily's a cat, and the station wasn't made to be operated by paws. She's been at it for a few hundred years. She's definitely not having a good time.

[Review]
It's been some time since I've read a true Sci-Fi story, and now I think I should read more. There's something special to the themes and topics of the genre, different to typical Fantasy. Reflections on humanity and its history, philosophical questions, wondering over the future of our species...Most of that through negative lens, by and large. Fascinating none the less.

Kitty Cat Kill Sat is one of those stories focusing on the fate of humanity, through the eyes of a depressed, scatter-brained cat with a noble heart. The characterization might be one of the stronger parts of the story, inter-woven with a compelling history of the state of the world and Lily's place in it. There are more characters than the protagonist, but there are no other PoV than hers, so don't expect a varied story.

The story shows a lot of traits that makes reading webnovel frustrating - solid concept, decent writing and next-to-none real structure or solid plan. The story starts good, then hits a frustratingly meandering period between 30-60% of the story where almost no plot happens. Then then author finally decides what he wants to do with the story and it continues with more concrete goals. Still, it shows the plot was in part made up as it went, even though the author has the skill to make it a coherent whole at the end of it, even if barely. It could be a bit shorter, not as stretched.

My least liked part of the story was the previously mentioned meandering period in the middle, with repetitive events and scatter-brained monologues. Another annoying part were the theme of depressions and fighting it, which is so ubiquitous these days I just rolled my eyes. Might be a 'me' thing, though. None the less, it's much better written than 90% of webnovels, so there you go.

Rating: 6.9/10

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 10:23:09 2023 No.22292207
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>>22292179
Adjacent to the review, I feel like reading another of the author's known stories - 'The Daily Grind'. It's about an IT worker that find an interdimensional liminal space in his office, leading to a dungeon with strange materials and beings. Supposedly it's quite good, but swithcing focus book to book, from progression fantasy to societal political drama concerned with topics of utopia and transhumanism...Well, I'll at least try the first book and give my impressions.

Anyone here read The Daily Grind? Any thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 12:37:08 2023 No.22292381 >>22292134 The first half of the book with the Giants is just not that compelling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 13:26:23 2023 No.22292502 >>22291356 faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 13:29:36 2023 No.22292511 >>22292179 This guy's a gigaleftoid faggot from Washington btw (the author, not the reviewer)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 13:57:02 2023 No.22292571 >>22292511 The author does appear to have a strong liberal bias, although I've seen far worse and this one seems palatable. Not a real issue, as far as I've seen.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:01:22 2023 No.22292585

>>22292571
I know for a fact he's gone out of his way to get other authors banned from writing servers for disagreeing with his political views (I used to be in a server called SilverPen)

Puts on an ebin wholesome chungus persona but he's a pure snake in the grass

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:31:53 2023 No.22292683 >>22292585 Why are people so evil?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:33:42 2023 No.22292685

>>22292585
>know for a fact he's gone out of his way to get other authors banned from writing servers for disagreeing with his political views (I used to be in a server called SilverPen)
Oof, will remember this information. But I never trust writers anyway, arrogant maniacs with delusions of grandeour, all of them. I'm not even surprised.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:37:15 2023 No.22292692 >>22292685 best case scenario those delusions of grandeur pertain to artistic recognition or monetary success

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:39:48 2023 No.22292697 >>22292585 Almost as bad as ching chong Tao Wong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:51:15 2023 No.22292726 >>22292179 Pozzed garbage

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:13:04 2023 No.22292920 File: 155 KB, 803x1024, thief.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there any good sff books with a focus on stealth and sneaking? Thieves' World, maybe?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:14:17 2023 No.22292927 File: 87 KB, 855x1360, 617OUjRMlmL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22292920

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:17:28 2023 No.22292938 File: 107 KB, 1405x726, SPOILER_image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22289036 try Florida Man's General Store in Cultivation World

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:19:46 2023 No.22292943

>>22292585
Many anons are banned from 4chan for their "political views", even on /pol/. I don't know the details, but you are very biased in the matter. There's clearly more the story than you want known.

>>22292683
Moderation isn't evil. People ought to be determine who they want in their community on the basis of their behavior.

>>22292685
That isn't true.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:22:02 2023 No.22292954
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>>22292943
>>>22292585
>Many anons are banned from 4chan for their "political views", even on /pol/. I don't know the details, but you are very biased in the matter. There's clearly more the story than you want known.
>>>22292683
>Moderation isn't evil. People ought to be determine who they want in their community on the basis of their behavior.
>>>22292685
>That isn't true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:26:01 2023 No.22292961 >>22292954 you almost had me for a moment there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:31:27 2023 No.22292980 22292954 22292961 samefag

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:31:51 2023 No.22292983

>>22292207
i actually did read a bit of this, it must have just recently been taken off of royalroad
it was a cute premise and mildly entertaining but i dropped it pretty quick. the MC did not feel like they were getting stronger and the power system was whack

the Backyard Dungeon series by Logan Jacobs has a similar premise and way better execution, with bonus smut. except the dungeon is standard fantasy and not against office supplies

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:46:24 2023 No.22293013 File: 187 KB, 1280x720, Hunter1_i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22292943 You are evil

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:54:14 2023 No.22293038 File: 75 KB, 547x434, kellhus gorilla nigger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22292943 hello, Argus kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 17:01:30 2023 No.22293053 >>22292179 >>22292207 your """reivews""" are SHIT FUCK OFF

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 17:02:32 2023 No.22293054 >>22292943 stop shilling your book here argus

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 17:55:38 2023 No.22293185 >>22293038 >>22293054 It's sad if you're sincere and not funny if you aren't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:00:49 2023 No.22293195 >>22292983 >Logan Jacobs Isn't that one of those ghost-writer smut farm groups. I'm not super convinced on that one compared to Dante King, Eric Vall and Simon Archer but it seems too much like it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:01:02 2023 No.22293197
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>Awaken Online
>sets up MC as novice warlord that reads meme books like The Art of War and The Prince
>ends every battle by summoning 2edgy4u maniacally smilling giant skeleton monsters to win (he somehow has enough in-game mana to do this cuz emotions matter n sheiit, don't question this chvd)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:03:21 2023 No.22293204 >>22293197 To be fair if it was historically possible "Pull logistics-free reinforcements out of your ass" would probably be in Art of War

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:04:34 2023 No.22293209

>>22293197
Honestly this is why I tend to dislike MMO LitRPGs, because they'll just sort of arbitrarily make the protagonist busted in a way that feels at-odds with how an actual game would be. Sometimes that can work, if it's like a new game and there's no real clear ideas of what's good or not, but MMO players fucking scour a game trying to optimise it, you will NOT find some dumb random broken shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:04:57 2023 No.22293211 >>22293195 >Isn't that one of those ghost-writer smut farm groups i have also heard this, but Backyard Dungeon is the only LJ series ive read so cant confirm. it was good enough for me to finish 3 books, and ill return to it soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:09:41 2023 No.22293227 >>22293209 really, is that why you tend to dislike mmo litrpgs? that's the main reason?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:19:30 2023 No.22293256
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>>22293209
Log horizon was the best representation of MMO players, though I feel it wasn't proper "runescape wildy" with how players would actually act released into a game-like world with no rules. Not sure if this is a limit from japanese mentality or inexperience with non-themepark MMOs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:20:00 2023 No.22293260 File: 480 KB, 360x384, 1674231592862205.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22293197 >The Art of War is a "meme" book now You fuckers need to get off 4chan and breathe some fresh air once in a while, god damn.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:24:12 2023 No.22293272

>>22293227
Among some, yes. I don't mind LitRPGs in and of themselves, but I find it hard to be too enticed by one that is a genuine actually designed game made by people, because that makes a lot of the horseshit that goes on harder to take seriously because what fucking dev would allow that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:32:40 2023 No.22293296 File: 504 KB, 1440x1800, Petar Meseldžija.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:35:25 2023 No.22293305 >>22293272 It's a lot easier to buy into horseshit imbalanced systems when they're just part of the setting and cause massive inequality by virtue of existing

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:38:16 2023 No.22293312

>>22293305
Yeah, the more 'designed by people to be sold and played' a system is the less I can buy into most of it.
The exceptions for MMO ones are when it's like "the MMO is blatantly, in-universe, badly designed" or "the MMO isn't an actual game, it's just transferring people's consciousness over to an actual other world", but those are both quite rare.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:38:54 2023 No.22293313 >MMO litRPG Huh. I don't know why I was surprised to read that that's a thing since I already knew about all the "stuck in a game" anime. How about RTS or strategy litRPGs? Anything good there?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 18:43:10 2023 No.22293323 >>22293313 yes look up "litrpg empire builder" or dungeon core stories

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 19:22:06 2023 No.22293442

>>22293313
don't bother reading that horseshit, the people on here who read and comment on it, the ones who give you the impression it's worth your time, have actual brain damage. they are not in their right mind. no, actually, scratch that. do look up something, anything, in the genre, so you know i'm not talking out of my ass. it's actually autismal shit for toddler-brains

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 19:51:57 2023 No.22293521 >>22289271 Last: Ubik Current: Authority Next: The Shadow of the Torturer

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 19:55:51 2023 No.22293535 >>22293260 I can't really argue if you think Sun Tzu is eye-opening. I personally prefer "The Logistics Of The Roman Army At War" since you actually get a feel how a roman army runs, with far less strategic abstractions that Sun Tzu devolves into.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 19:59:30 2023 No.22293548

>>22289271
>>the last book you read
the broken sword. wonderful. instant favorite

>>the current book you are reading
simulation and simulacra and lord of the world. both chores but since lord of the world is the one that's sffg i'll expand on that.
the author is weirdly prescient on a lot of things for a book written in 1904, and i say this as someone who didn't think 1984 or fahrenheit 911 or brave new world were prescient in the slightest.
that said, the book is extremely meandering, i wouldn't mind the focus on religion if the author was a good advocate for catholicism, but he isn't, and according to my kindle i'm at 48% and the book has just now managed to get around to creating a semblance of plot and conflict.

>>the book you plan to read next
changeling or home is the hangman by zelazny.
i've been working my way through zelazny's bibliography for the past year. i started doing this on the premise that if i like an author, i'd probably enjoy all of his works, even the less acclaimed ones. i've been about 60% right so far.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:13:07 2023 No.22293582
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Reading pic related and a combination of the cuckoldry and the author's prose is starting to grate on me. Are the later books worth perservering, anons?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:15:57 2023 No.22293594

>>22293582
i'd say no, simply due to the fact that the series is unfinished and will remain so forever. but also, there isn't less cuckoldry or gross imagery in the later books, no.

good luck, you're about to get a torrent of useless
>filtered
posts from the bakker cult.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:31:40 2023 No.22293650 >>22293594 Thanks anon. I'll try continuing one more time but I reckon I'll drop it. Not for me.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:32:10 2023 No.22293652
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anyone read any of these kinds of books? stuff like Helldivers or Arisen or Extinction Cycle... Soldiers in the apocalypse. Are they any good?

Militaristic pulp that isn't Tom Clancy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:08:38 2023 No.22293764 >>22293652 I've read one book by that author and liked it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:14:49 2023 No.22293783 >>22293764 what did you like about it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:15:14 2023 No.22293786 I wanted to like Log Horizon, but it was a bit boring. Overlord is better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:15:51 2023 No.22293788 >>22293783 shut up faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:17:50 2023 No.22293797 >>22293788 you think you're tuff?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:17:59 2023 No.22293798 File: 65 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (5).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Baen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:38:16 2023 No.22293883 I just finished a novel. What did I think of it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 21:59:05 2023 No.22293952 File: 32 KB, 312x500, 41Cj6QV059L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reading this. There's a lot of exposition in this book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:11:37 2023 No.22293985 >>22293783 >>/lit/thread/22084187#p22088355

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:11:42 2023 No.22293986 >>22293952 Looks gay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:33:50 2023 No.22294059 >>22293986 it has everything /sffg/ wants >male fag MC >WORLD BUILDING >vanquishing the DORK LORD >FUCK FUCK FUCK >YEEEAAAAAA MUTTHTHHHHHAAAFFFFUUUUKKKAKKAKKAKA And that is /sffg/'s taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:45:10 2023 No.22294102 File: 95 KB, 557x605, Sevnice.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22287726 >Wolfe appreciation post

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:48:12 2023 No.22294123 >>22293650 >>22293594 >>22293582 FILTEREDDSDDS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:50:53 2023 No.22294134 >>22294059 I don't want fags. I don't le world building I don't want generic big bad billions must die I want good prose and masculinity back

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:01:49 2023 No.22294160 >>22294059 This doesn't describe Hyperion, or a Vance or Wolfe story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:05:48 2023 No.22294168 >>22294059 >it has everything /sffg/ wants >fag MC Huh?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:12:19 2023 No.22294190

>>22294134
>>22294160
>>22294168
You guys love fag MCs because you are fags. You get off to big muscle men in their loincloths stroking their swords all the whole disregard women because something about brotherhood and loving cock over pussy. When said man says he loves this other man you fags swoon all over it and cry fag tears.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:19:13 2023 No.22294219 >>22294190 anon, please go project somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:21:02 2023 No.22294231 >>22294190 >you guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:21:15 2023 No.22294234 >>22294190 But Conan is all that and he fucks every woman in the books.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:35:20 2023 No.22294284 >>22294190 I only see women as living onaholes doesn't mean I'm a fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:37:37 2023 No.22294293 >>22293053 I don't really care much about reviewanon's ability as a reviewer, it's just useful to have someone whose taste I understand reading a lot of new stuff and talking about it. Helps me to work out what I want to read

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:37:58 2023 No.22294295 >>22292927 thanks brother

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:38:44 2023 No.22294296 >>22293952 I liked this a fair bit, although he's unfortunately not actually a coward he's just traumatized.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:45:23 2023 No.22294321 >>22294293 Please do not engage with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 00:40:12 2023 No.22294491 >>22294296 I know, I think this is where the author dropped the ball. MC should have been lying the entire time and fled after his companions died. Claimed he killed the Lich King, but it was all bullshit

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 00:59:53 2023 No.22294544

>>22294491
I don't think it needed to be edgy subversion, the story being about a guy who actually has to overcome something to be brave is more interesting than a standard one.
It's just that if you call your book THE COWARD, I want the mc to either be a coward or branded as one. He can still overcome it and have a redemptive story but I feel that's where you gotta start.
If it was called anything else I'd have no real issues with the book

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 01:23:58 2023 No.22294612 File: 243 KB, 900x1456, dai-nguyen-08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me it's The Tower of the Elephant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 01:49:40 2023 No.22294691 >>22294612 >you will never be a celestial elephant god feels bad man

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 02:36:02 2023 No.22294815 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORYO0atB6g

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 02:56:36 2023 No.22294848 I thought the but goes all right but has anyone read the sequel?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 02:59:08 2023 No.22294853 >>22294848 What's the sequel to "the but"? "the and" "the or" "the though"? Let me know!

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 03:46:48 2023 No.22294949

>>22292148
I haven’t read that but it’s been on my list, might bump it up. What did you like about it?

Anyway you can try Stirling and Drakes General series or John Ringo’s Paladin of Shadows for something a bit fucked up perhaps. I know there is also the Belisarius series which is supposedly like The General and has gotten some good reviews.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 04:31:48 2023 No.22295068 Anyone read the Superluminary books by John C Wright? Anything with a similar feel in terms of futuristic combat with imaginative technology/jargon

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 04:39:40 2023 No.22295094

>>22294949
>I haven’t read that but it’s been on my list, might bump it up. What did you like about it?
Its really hard to describe it concretely, but the whole package has a kind of syrupy sickening allure. After reading it I can't tell whether the author intended it to be a horror story or a power fantasy because it does such a good job blending them together.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 05:48:13 2023 No.22295274

>>22295068
>Anyone read the Superluminary books by John C Wright?
Yes.
>Anything with a similar feel in terms of futuristic combat with imaginative technology/jargon
Try his other novels? Probably not exactly what you're asking for but you might enjoy the Strange Company series by Nick Cole. It's basically The Black Company in Space.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:07:53 2023 No.22295314

>>22295068
>>22295274
i've read orphans of chaos and golden oecumene by the same author and it has to be my least favorite sffg author i've ever touched.
there's books that are just written unskillfully but servicable like lost fleet or expanse but this is definitely the most obnoxious writing style i've ever encountered.
closest non-book equivalent i can think of is joss whedon. in terms of authors he's kind of reminiscent of john scalzi but even john scalzi isn't as annoying.

that said, the concepts he tackles are truly interesting. he has a great creative mind. just an awful shame about his writing. if you can enjoy it, more power to you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:12:23 2023 No.22295322 >>22295314 what do u prefer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:23:33 2023 No.22295340 >>22295322 i think vance might be my current favorite. but if you want something combat oriented in a similar style, there's scalzi's old man's war i guess my favorite military sci-fi is the forever war.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:25:48 2023 No.22295345 >>22284838 +1 Fuck numbers while we are at it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:26:28 2023 No.22295348 >>22295314 Wright is nothing like Whedon or Scalzi. At all. I think you might have a brain tumor. >but even john scalzi isn't as annoying. Definitely a brain tumor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 06:32:42 2023 No.22295371 >>22295348 excellent quip, it's almost on the level of wright's quips https://www.google.bg/books/edition/Orphans_of_Chaos/KFEwM16tVlwC?hl=en&gbpv=1 here, so we're not talking out of our asses. people can make up their own minds

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 08:13:08 2023 No.22295552 >>22294293 Fine as long as you understand that he is a progressive trash and avoid the garbage that he reads (and rates highly).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 10:10:04 2023 No.22295746 >>22290653 Nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 11:09:35 2023 No.22295821 >>22290898 7 chapter preview on Weltbild. I'm waiting like everyone else to pirate the epub, except for those that had physical copies shipped in already.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 11:15:58 2023 No.22295830 >>22295314 just finished The Golden Age, amazing book. can't speak for his other work, maybe he got worse idk. but it was nothing like Whedon shit at all, and roughly 100x (conservatively) more interesting and funner to read than The Expanse

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 11:44:44 2023 No.22295864

>>22295552
>anyone less than my particular combination of /pol/ and /r9k/ qualities is progressive trash
I continue to be amused how anyone who reviews is conflated into a single anon. It's unclear how much of that is apathy and how much is inattention.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:13:25 2023 No.22295903

>>22295094

Nice. That's actually what I was hoping it would be and what initially intrigued me about the books. Basically I want to see that idea played out free of any modern day sensibilities as possible and with each character or faction viewpoint getting its own say in its motivations etc.

I'm thinking now I might get around to this one sooner rather than later, kinda in the mood for military stuff anyway.

Btw while we're talking Baen I feel I have to mention the obligatory Prince Roger/Empire of Man recommendation. It doesn't fit into the theme we're speaking on here exactly but its the best from that catalogue that I've tried.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:16:17 2023 No.22295908 >>22291324 No one

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:18:07 2023 No.22295910 >>22292064 Nice passive misogyny post

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:19:34 2023 No.22295911 File: 92 KB, 627x1024, 1689992641125305m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me, it's feminist Fantasy. Nothing more based than big strong women beating the shit out of chauvinist pigs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:20:01 2023 No.22295912 >>22292920 There are Assassin's Creed novels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:20:53 2023 No.22295914 >>22295912 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:23:58 2023 No.22295918 >>22294284 Which is why you've never had any meaningful interactions with any

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:26:39 2023 No.22295923 >>22295914 Cringe requests get cringe replies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:28:56 2023 No.22295930 File: 539 KB, 1080x1366, Screenshot_20230723_082756_Brave.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22295371 Ok I don't like this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:29:04 2023 No.22295931 >>22295911 That's just male power fantasy and calling it otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:33:36 2023 No.22295940 >>22295918 he is correct though regardless of his lack of interactions with females

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:35:01 2023 No.22295941 >>22295930 >she stopped reading there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:44:38 2023 No.22295956 File: 1.78 MB, 544x398, 1690099309881912.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22295931 Cope

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 12:55:34 2023 No.22295974 File: 119 KB, 583x482, 1559553918450.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22295911 >pants are bullshit >wears pants

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 13:22:43 2023 No.22296024 lotm2 has been underwhelming so far. the characters just aren't as good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 14:29:51 2023 No.22296142 >>22295974 they are, though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 14:31:52 2023 No.22296148 >>22295911 >6'8" with those cupboards I get that she's not stood straight but how fucking big is that kitchen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 14:52:19 2023 No.22296189 Any good ugly bastard fantasy coomlit? Most erotica I've read have these uber gigachads with 10inch cock and I'm tired of it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 16:36:10 2023 No.22296484 >>22291327 I dropped the book quarter way through. The narrator was god awful, and the story was shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 16:40:16 2023 No.22296497 >>22296189 In Waylander 2 there's a scene where Waylander's ugly warrior buddy falls asleep and Waylander's hot adopted teenage daughter plays with his dick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 17:25:44 2023 No.22296670 >>22296497 >Waylander More like cucklander

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 17:50:08 2023 No.22296757 >>22296670 You can't be a ugly bastard without being cucked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:27:13 2023 No.22296847 >>22295911 absolute unit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:29:54 2023 No.22296859 >>22295930 this just reminded me how miserable i felt while reading this book. wtf was i thinking

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:31:11 2023 No.22296864 >>22295821 Where do the new pirated epubs usually come first ? From Zlib, Anna's archive, mobilism, irc etc

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:32:56 2023 No.22296873 >>22292927 Imagine actually reading Razorfist lmfao I took one look at the preview and lol'd irl

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:36:59 2023 No.22296886 >>22296864 mobi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:43:23 2023 No.22296909 File: 28 KB, 400x400, E7aXkNDXIAAUQyQ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22296873 >Imagine actually reading Razorfist lmfao I took one look at the preview and lol'd irl

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:43:37 2023 No.22296911 >>22296873 I've never read anything of Razorfist's but I would certainly prefer: >successful, considered a hack fraud on a mongolian bucket crab wrestling forum to >destitute and penniless but considered litkino on said bucket crab wresting forum

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:44:47 2023 No.22296916 >>22296873 you are wasting your time. the people that read that shit have brain damage. you can't actually shame them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:45:25 2023 No.22296920 >>22296873 >>22296916 The trannies are triggered as usual.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:52:35 2023 No.22296941
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>>22296873
>coping and seething over this
https://www.nightvalenovels.com/_files/ugd/f404a8_45c265d3c84642d7ab949af533eb8ed2.pdf

lmao
I've seen you faggots defend Gardner to the death but you seethe about this?! Could you make your political bias any more obvious?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 18:54:46 2023 No.22296945 >>22296941 They're triggered by Razorfist because he's a right-winger.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:07:58 2023 No.22296980
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Anyone listen to music while reading to try and add atmosphere?

I've been reading Galaxy's Edge while playing the assault on precinct 13 soundtrack, it makes it more enjoyable.
https://youtu.be/K6fNbdLUvhA
any suggestions for good sort of thriller soundtracks to play?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:08:25 2023 No.22296982 >>22296980 No.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:08:49 2023 No.22296985

>>22296945
>>22296941
1)sffg isn't one person
2)who is gardner
3)nobody knows what political views "razorfist" has, people just hate you subhuman tourists who've flooded this general with your bottom of the barrel mindless self published webnovel, litrpg and chinkshit garbage

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:12:45 2023 No.22297004 File: 258 KB, 312x326, yup pretty retarded.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22296985 >not litrpg >not webnovel >not xianxia or any other chinese genre Sasuga retard-sama

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:20:34 2023 No.22297040

I hate Razorfist because he's a pretentious pseud faggot I couldn't give a fuck about his politics lmfao
Also he's a lolbert Jew lover not even close to being right wing or anything similar.
Also Funny how I got 5 replies on dissing his pseud prose instantly, totally not being shilled by obese neckbeard niggerfaggots at all in every single thread jerking off to their homo making vids in his gimp suit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:21:06 2023 No.22297042 >>22297004 anything where the author's name is "razorfist" is a self-published webnovel

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:21:51 2023 No.22297047 >>22297042 >OYYY VEYYYY WHY DOESN'T HE DOXX HIMSELF i recommend suicide

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:26:24 2023 No.22297065 >>22297047 what the FUCK are you talking about retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:26:33 2023 No.22297066 >>22297047 There's loads of authors who managed to stay anonymous without having edgelord nonsense pen names lol. Like Elena Ferrante is a pen name and they were probably the hottest literary author of the last decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:28:29 2023 No.22297072 >>22297066 also marty phillips. antelope hill is always there. i cannot imagine the depths of cringe you'd have to have sunk to to read a book where the author's name is "razorfist"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:29:40 2023 No.22297076 >>22297066 Fair point, but using a different pseudonym would completely undermine the MASSIVE advantage of using his pre-existing youtube fanbase. Having a pre-existing fanbase is one of the easiest ways for an author to ensure a book is successful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:32:31 2023 No.22297082 >>22297076 he could just shill the book on his channel this way he's limiting his potential list of buyers just to people who know him from youtube. there is no way an adult would buy and read a book by someone called "razorfist"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:33:14 2023 No.22297089 >>22296873 This blurb is making me cringe, why is he writing like that ? It's like slam poetry levels of corny. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55371601

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:34:01 2023 No.22297092 >>22297089 He's aping Solomon Kane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:40:56 2023 No.22297119 File: 108 KB, 452x870, untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22297089 >that first review by "Britton" what the fuck why would you bother writing something like this on goodreads?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:42:26 2023 No.22297122 >>22297119 one of the same seething pissants as those in this very thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:43:38 2023 No.22297125 >>22297122 no, dude. i know you very badly want that to be true, but the reality is that people want there to be discussion about good books in this thread, not infantile eceleb webnovel trash.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:44:27 2023 No.22297129 >>22297125 cope nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:47:14 2023 No.22297142 >>22297129 excellent response, you are definitely not a teenager

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:50:20 2023 No.22297151 >>22297142 I've been here since 2005 your fartsniffer kith and kin have also been here since then, and you've never gotten any less insufferable nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:52:02 2023 No.22297157 >>22297125 Don't bother with him he shills that garbage book in almost every other thread Ignore all posts which ask for a book related to Thief

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:52:16 2023 No.22297159

i can't believe these cocksuckers brought cringe normbot eceleb "authors" to this thread and they're puzzled why people don't appreciate it
is this what this general is going to be like from now on? it's been months and months and every thread is just flooded by these moron npcs who discuss nothing but haremshit, chinkshit, rpgshit, webnovelshit
i keep waiting for it to end but it never ends

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:53:31 2023 No.22297164 >>22297157 brother if i hide every post talking about absolutely horrendous trash like this, there'd be like 10 posts left in the thread i hate this

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 19:53:40 2023 No.22297166 >>22297159 if the alternative is endless bakker/wolfe/gardner circlejerking i'll take the chinkshitposters

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:01:47 2023 No.22297189 >>22297082 >there is no way an adult would buy and read a book by someone called "razorfist" Get with the times, grandpa. Writers use their internet names as their pen names. Big deal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:02:44 2023 No.22297196 >>22297189 would you buy a book written by me, natehiggers1488?

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:05:50 2023 No.22297205

>>22297164
Why do you even come here you stupid nigger? Simply amazing that you come to a thread discussing /lit/'s most dreaded topics "Science Fiction & Fantasy" and proceed to pretend as if you every discuss good books here. You're a shitposter with a retarded faggot mask, stirring shit because you don't actually read any books. If you haven't noticed, most of the books here are shit you absolutely hate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:07:56 2023 No.22297217 >>22297151 >been here since 2005 >meat riding and shilling for a edgy lolbert who actually calls himself Razorfist unironically bros if it ever gets this bad for me in my old age please just shoot me instead

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:11:27 2023 No.22297242 >>22297217 Go bakkerpost yourself into an early grave

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:11:48 2023 No.22297246

>>22297205
you have a lot of nerve to say all that to me when you're the equivalent of a pig rolling in its own shit
>hurr it not high literature thread so it okay for me to read haremshit and mindnumbingly retarded chink cultivation
forget why i come here. i come here in the hopes i get to talk to someone about books i enjoy and maybe get good suggestions for my next book. you spoil this thread by your presence and you've shown have absolute contempt for the people who like sffg books and the books themselves. why do YOU come here, you worthless degenerate cocksucker?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:12:14 2023 No.22297248 Okay razorfist calm down, go back to masurbate to elric, sucking israel's cock or something

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:12:45 2023 No.22297250 >>22297246 You don't read anything, you don't like anything. You're lying to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:16:19 2023 No.22297265 >>22297246 Based, this boomer needs to get raped every time he shills

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:16:56 2023 No.22297268 hey guise i came here after 2016 and every book i personally never heard of is a shill

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:17:10 2023 No.22297272 >>22297250 fuck you nigger i haven't stopped reading for 15 years straight and i've recommended authors i enjoy multiple times in this thread stop projecting and go back to your coomerbrained deviantart-tier harem shit and leave this thread forever

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:18:35 2023 No.22297279 >>22297272 Funny how you failed to mention 1 (one) book right now. Great way to oust yourself faggot, go back to your little discord clique.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:21:26 2023 No.22297291 >>22297279 have YOU mentioned a book, lil cocksucker? read vance, there's my rec. what's your rec, nigger animal?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:23:17 2023 No.22297300 >>22297291 You can't name 5 books better than Reverend Insanity, all your authors are ultra pozzed up HIV+ diversity faggot boomers.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:24:08 2023 No.22297307
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I'm really digging this thread now. Good old shitflingging back and forth like the good old days. I just want to say I hate libtards, love Bakker/Wolfe, and hope all litrpg chink ai e-celeb shitters die

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:31:22 2023 No.22297333 >>22297300 >he retreats into post-ironic shitposting after getting btfo cancer

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:34:58 2023 No.22297343

>>22297333
>namedrops one old ass boomer as his defence that is recognised by the rest of the boomeroids as a good author
I bet you think your defence is good, shitposter. I wasn't being ironic. How about something modern you liked? I won't read your boomer faggot books that were lauded by the boomer faggots that introduced immigration act of 1965.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:38:48 2023 No.22297354

The right wing author cycle is so funny
Always goes the exact same with some guy making his name by whining about how SFF is shit 'now' and then using the audience from that to shill a book which turns out to be insanely derivative dreck.
And then ITT we always get the weirdly defensive posts like this one >>22296911 where someone has supposedly never read the author but is still ready to make a defence of them that shows they already know who they are.
>>22292207
I'm trying this out now and not really liking it, the concept is great but it's got a flow of introspection>action>introspection and I'm not a fan of how either is being exectued. Also it's multiple pov but they're not separated it just drifts to and from the perspectives of the two main characters as it pleases.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:39:11 2023 No.22297355 >>22297343 blindsight, cancer-kun but let's not pretend your brain is capable of reading books. you are broken and mindless

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:41:42 2023 No.22297360 >>22297355 Smug self-confidence as usual, day of the pillow motherfucker. You don't mention any recent books because you know you'll be laughed at. I bet your recs were mocked earlier as well, the only reason you could be so bitter right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:42:27 2023 No.22297364 File: 74 KB, 625x1000, 61464479.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why couldn't Boxy get fucked instead of being a lesbian? The box pretending to be a woman while taking dick would have made me diamonds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:43:03 2023 No.22297365 >anon recs a book by a right-wing author; doesn't even mention politics >trannies spend the dying hours of the thread sperging about MUH RIGHT-WING BOOGEYMAN

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:45:28 2023 No.22297377 >>22297365 >anon you did, just stand by your own argument instead of pretending to be other people lol and the first post just pointed out that the author was a shitty e-celeb, I only know of their politics because you kept arguing back to that.

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:45:39 2023 No.22297378

>>22297360
i did mention a book though, it's called blindsight. you just didn't know it was a book because you are a cancerous tourist.
how about three body problem? that's chinese, you should be able to enjoy that right? i can keep going. i can name a dozen books but i know you won't read a single one because you're feebleminded coping npc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 20:48:12 2023 No.22297384 >>22297378 Kill yourself nigger. Name a dozen then without spending 10 minutes on google searching. You have ousted yourself multiple times, still bitter, still old. Cut off your dick you sissy faggot, you won't need it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:05:47 2023 No.22297440 >>22297279 Nta but are you a coomer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:09:41 2023 No.22297449 >>22297440 What makes you say that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:13:27 2023 No.22297461 >>22297449 My gut instinct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:15:10 2023 No.22297467 >>22297461 And I suspect you're not "NTA".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 21:16:05 2023 No.22297471 >>22297440 someone that angry probably isn't jacking off enough

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