/lit/, I have a philosophical question, Is rape a hate crime against women? Why or why not?

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Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:19:18 2011 No.2227586 [Reply] [Original]

/lit/,

I have a philosophical question,

Is rape a hate crime against women? Why or why not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:20:17 2011 No.2227591 File: 79 KB, 450x638, inspector_cumulus_joelist..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Your post is a hate crime against /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:20:17 2011 No.2227593 i don't want to say it can't be, but it is usually not a hate crime against women in the sense you mean. it's a hateful crime against an individual woman, but i don't think it has the kind of political motivation that makes something a 'hate crime'.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 02:22:17 2011 No.2227600 >hate crime >hate Rape is not motivated by hate. Its motivated by being horny, often coupled with a desire to assert your power. Not hate. Although i hate the idea of hate crimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:22:17 2011 No.2227603 >>2227586 I don't hate the women I rape, it's their short skirts that draw the eye that whips me into a frenzy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:24:17 2011 No.2227609 If you have ever read the Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Steig Larrssson, maybe you would know what you are talking about. In that book it is fully explained why and how rape is a hate crime that oppresses women.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:26:16 2011 No.2227617 >>2227609 I think you're being sarcastic and that depresses me... anyway, rape is a horrible crime that does oppress women (and on occasion men) but "hate crime" implies a political motivation for the attacker that i don't think exists.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 02:26:16 2011 No.2227618

>>2227609
>In that book it is fully explained why and how rape is a hate crime that oppresses women.

Oppressing women' might be a side effect of rape, but it isnt (generally) the intention. At least not repressing women as a whole, or motivated by the desire to oppress women.

Motivation matters more than effect in a hate crime.

>>	Rangaha !KJKZ7n2h3I Sat Dec 3 02:28:16 2011 No.2227619 Is sexual desire a result of hatred? Is /co/ love? Why is /vp/ a board?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:29:17 2011 No.2227626 >>2227619 /co/ can not be an abstract concept such as love. /vp/ is a board because moot made it so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:30:16 2011 No.2227628 Fuck off, Deist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:30:17 2011 No.2227627 File: 45 KB, 382x331, dog_sonnet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227618 Is Deist the new Deep and Edgy? Finally stag and fab and D&E leave and more idiots jump in to take their place. This board sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:31:16 2011 No.2227629 File: 10 KB, 200x284, 200px-Sigmund_Freud_LIFE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227619 >Is sexual desire a result of hatred? Is there something you would like to get off your chest, Rangaha? About your mother, perhaps?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:33:16 2011 No.2227635 what the fuck is a hate crime and why does it matter?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:36:16 2011 No.2227638 >>2227637 sheeeeeeeeeeeeiit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:36:17 2011 No.2227637 >>2227635 Thoughtcrime reported. I hope you like being an unperson, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:57:16 2011 No.2227674 File: 23 KB, 400x400, wtfamireading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227586 >implying only women can be raped

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 02:58:16 2011 No.2227675 >>2227674 >implying a man is a man if he can be raped

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:00:20 2011 No.2227682 It's a lovecrime, dammit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:02:18 2011 No.2227685 no, because there are female-on-male and male-on-male sexual assaults, too

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:03:18 2011 No.2227688

>>2227618

You have it backwards, rape is a result of oppression against women, not a "side effect" of rape.

Anyway, rape is not really a "hate crime" per se, especially since hate crimes are essentially legal fictions, but I do believe that rape is motivated by the same social and cultural forces that feed homophobia and racism. I think if that was actually recognized on a national scale it would do a lot more to end sexual violence instead of the status quo of treating rape like some inevitable force of nature that can never be explained or held responsible.

also lol at anyone who thinks that people rape because they are horny

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:05:20 2011 No.2227691 >>2227688 you're cool and right. yeah. fuck rape culture.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:07:20 2011 No.2227693

>>2227688

No. Rape is motivated by sexual desire and the fact that men are physically stronger.

That is the motivation, and its primarily a biological one. There can be an argument for biological prejudices against other races, and sexualities, (in the case of sexuality a weak argument) but these would still be different drives, though biological in origin.

>also lol at anyone who thinks that people rape because they are horny

That is why people rape. Being horny.

I know feminists love to say 'its a love of power' but power alone doesnt get your dick up. do you think CEOs just walk around all day with giant boners? No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:07:20 2011 No.2227694 File: 219 KB, 500x500, 12442178.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227682 todos mis internets

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:07:20 2011 No.2227695

Rape is just an eventuality of being naturally, resplendently human.
If we could control it, that is to say, control the rape-impulse springing from the collective unconscious through the less mentally willful members of a given society, we might as well let it happen to the ugly ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:08:20 2011 No.2227697 >>2227688 >>2227691 >>2227693 So much samefag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:09:20 2011 No.2227698 >>2227693 I agree, unless the rapist is a sadist too.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:11:18 2011 No.2227702

>>2227693
update: deist still an idiot with dumb opinion. it is not really the case that rape is a simple response to being sexually aroused. very often sexual arousal doesn't even lead to rape surprisingly! it's almost like men are sentient human beings and not mechanical creatures forced to rape by biological imperatives! somehow i have managed to overcome my biological programming and never rape a woman. go me.

>>2227695
ugh fuck you

>>2227697
not at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:11:18 2011 No.2227703 >>2227675 cant_tell_if_troll_or_just_brain_dead.png.xls

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:13:19 2011 No.2227706

>>2227698

Even if you're a sadist, sadism has to do with what?

Being horny. Getting off. Getting yourself off. Its just a weird requirement for getting your rocks off.

I think the main problem with rape is the 'victim' culture we create around it, and the pedestal on which we place sex.

Its just like eating or any other biological drive. We shouldn't view it as taboo. If our culture was more open about sex and people were more open about who they wanted to fuck, we could all just live brave new world style fucking everyone. I cant be the only one who wants that to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:13:19 2011 No.2227707 File: 106 KB, 725x966, hubba.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rape is fun, give it a whirl

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:14:21 2011 No.2227709 >>2227706 oh my god >why are all these women complaining about being forcibly violated and being made to have non-consensual sex! they should just treat sex like a natural bodily function and just, you know, be chill about being rape fuck you, die

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:15:21 2011 No.2227713 >>2227693 > biological prejudices against other races Stopped reading right there.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:16:21 2011 No.2227715

>>2227702

Are we forced to rape by biological imperatives? No.

But if you are horny, and dont respect the law, you might just fuck that bitch to get your rocks off.

Rape is about wanting to have sex. To get your rocks off. I really dont understand how you can tell me it isnt.

"Its about power, dominating a woman."

In a sexual context. You like to dominate a woman sexually, probably because you are weak. (when i say 'you' i mean a rapist.)
STill, its just about getting off dem rocks.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:18:19 2011 No.2227719

>>2227715
sorry no i'm done arguing with your ass, for suggesting that rape wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have a "victim culture" and treated sex like a natural bodily function and that rape is only a problem because the victims don't accept it

seriously, fuck you. go away. die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:19:19 2011 No.2227720 >>2227709 so your response was 'fuck you die' and then paraphrase. must_be_a_womyn.jpg

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:19:19 2011 No.2227721

>>2227713

? Are you scientifically illiterate?

>>2227709
I'm not saying that. I'm saying, if you're a woman on a bus. And you think the guy next to you is hot, or you just want to brighten up his day, you should ask him if he wants a hand job.

If you're a guy and you think a woman is hot on the street, you should say 'hey, want to meet up for sex and maybe coffee later?'

This is how open and free our culture should be about sex. I believe this would diminish incidence of rape.

If someone rapes a woman I think he should receive a bullet in the head. Dont think by what I'm saying I'm trying to justify rape or say that it is ok in any way.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:19:19 2011 No.2227723

>Are we forced to rape by biological imperatives? No.
False.

>Rape is about wanting to have sex. To get your rocks off. I really dont understand how you can tell me it isnt.
Sex is a type of power. It's physiological and turns into the mental and emotional. The forceful penetration is a metaphor for the spiritual. Read Jung.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:19:19 2011 No.2227725

>>2227706

Just because something isn't taboo, it doesn't mean it's fine to do it to somebody against their will.

Pouring water in somebody's face isn't taboo. But done in a certain way and forcibly, it's known as waterboarding and is a method of torture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:21:19 2011 No.2227726 >>2227720 if you do not see, prima facie, why my response to that sentiment is "fuck you die", then to you i say: "fuck you die as well" seriously though fuck off

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:21:19 2011 No.2227727

>>2227693
>Rape is motivated by sexual desire and the fact that men are physically stronger.

lol

Sexuality has very little to do with it. Sure, the end result is sexual release, but what motivates the action of rape is not a sexual desire, I mean who seriously desires to have sex with someone who is struggling, unconscious, or being emotional manipulated into sex? Rape is a result of the dehumanization and objectification of women. Rape is not about desire, it's about entitlement.

Also the physical strength thing is nonsense. The vast majority of rape is committed by friends and family of the victim, often utilizing drugs and alcohol and emotional manipulation. Very few rapes are back alley struggles. Even in ancient times, rape was codified into legal systems of marriage and servitude. You know, when women were legally considered property.

>That is the motivation, and its primarily a biological one. There can be an argument for biological prejudices against other races, and sexualities, (in the case of sexuality a weak argument) but these would still be different drives, though biological in origin.

hahaha would really love to see some of these arguments. really, please post 'em.

>That is why people rape. Being horny.

Nope. Everyone gets horny, yet only some feel an entitlement to sex to relieve themselves. There's a reason for that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:21:19 2011 No.2227728 I said to this girl if you come to my house I WILL rape you or my words were I will have sex with you. She says but I don want to I said well dont come to my house them -the bitch came to my house I got her pussy Rape or not? >go figure

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:21:19 2011 No.2227729 >>2227723 jung is a cunt, fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:22:19 2011 No.2227733 >>2227726 I don't see why, and i just entered the thread then. what is your issue? you sound very emotional about this topic.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:24:19 2011 No.2227737

>>2227727
>Rape is not about desire, it's about entitlement.

yes thank you for saying something very true

>>2227733
you think that an argument that "rape is only a problem because the victims see it as a problem, they should just be more accepting of sex" is within bounds and reasonable

yep, fuck you and die

(i know i am not contributing to a reasonable discourse here but sometimes you're too fucking tired to put up with people straight-up defending rape, listen to the other anon saying correct-ass shit if you want an explanation)

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:27:18 2011 No.2227742

>>2227715
>>2227727

Dude, this is completely different. If you're asking if she wants to have sex and she consents, then it's not rape. If you're going to have sex with her regardless of her answer (rape her), then you wouldn't ask to begin with. What's your point?

Also, not raping someone despite the fact that you're horny is not about "respecting the law", it's about respecting other human beings as persons with an intrinsic right to bodily autonomy and safety, just like you do.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:28:19 2011 No.2227744

>Rape is a result of the dehumanization and objectification of women.

That is certainly involved, but it isnt the CAUSE. the CAUSE is the desire for sexual release. What makes it more likely to happen is the individual doing the raping viewing women as objects, but that isnt the CAUSE. Just a contributing factor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:29:19 2011 No.2227745 >>2227744 No, it quite literally is the cause. Sexual desire is incidental really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:30:19 2011 No.2227746 >>2227744 The cause is the feeling of entitlement to sexual release and the feeling of power/ownership over women.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:30:19 2011 No.2227747
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>>2227737
>>2227737

I think that the main problem i saw is that you're making such a big deal out of the sexual side of it.

remove the genders, and the specifics, and you come down to:

party A wants C from party B
Party B wanted to remain in possession of C
Party A takes C from party B

It's still terrible, but thanks to the incredible weight we place on sexuality and gender, it becomes unfathomable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:33:20 2011 No.2227751 >>2227747 but the specifics are the specifics, and the violation involved in rape is by its very nature much different than simply getting your shit snatched

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:34:19 2011 No.2227754 >>2227747 Ah I see, so if you simply remove everything that makes it significant, it's not such a big deal. Brilliant argument there Professor!

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:34:20 2011 No.2227752 >>2227747 Finally an intelligent, logical post. Mad props.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:36:18 2011 No.2227756 >>2227754 Because what makes it significant is cultural.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 03:38:18 2011 No.2227758

The real problem here, is women think they're people. They're not, they are objects. Back when all they used to do was cook, clean, and churn out kids you didn't hear all this complaining about rape, because they understood a man can take what he wants. In the caveman and bible days, rape was a normal everyday activity.

YOUR CULTURAL ARGUMENT WORKS BOTH WAYS FEMFAGS

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:38:18 2011 No.2227760 >>2227756 Finally we agree on something. The culture of misogyny and rape is what makes it significant.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:41:19 2011 No.2227764

>>2227758
wait, how does that even make sense? what are you even trying to claim here? you're not even making a cultural argument, you seem to be making some weird biotruths argument. also I think you misunderstand our cultural argument, which is that things within our culture (and many other cultures throughout history) cause rape, not that rape is significant only because of culture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:42:18 2011 No.2227767 >>2227765 you see my economic analysis will reveal... nothing at all apparently

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:42:19 2011 No.2227765 File: 27 KB, 539x465, aypsoddyc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227756 >>2227754 >>2227751 It all depends on the value assigned to C. also >>2227760 one step forwards, two backwards eh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:43:18 2011 No.2227768 >>2227767 revealed what it revealed actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:45:18 2011 No.2227769 >>2227768 Which is that you're a privileged moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:47:19 2011 No.2227773 ITT: Neckbeards who don't think rape is inherently bad because that's the only way they'll ever get laid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:47:19 2011 No.2227774 File: 9 KB, 263x191, cancer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227758 >In the caveman and bible days, rape was a normal everyday activity. >In the caveman and bible days Your bar is a little low, fuckface.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:57:19 2011 No.2227784
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>>2227774
>>2227773
>>2227769
>>2227760

ceebs going through the rest, but man oh man.

posters ITT get buttfurious.

Or perhaps vaginalfurious, judging by the amount of intolerance and outrage.
>>2227758
>>2227737
>>2227729
>>2227726
>>2227719
>>2227709

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 03:59:22 2011 No.2227786 >>2227784 i'm the guy who was getting the maddest and i'm definitely a dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:01:21 2011 No.2227791 File: 44 KB, 510x408, fedb6_Lebowskilimo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2227786 dude you're buttfurious

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 04:01:21 2011 No.2227792

Lets come to agreement and consensus:

Rape is a result of both biological drives to reproduce, and the misogyny and objectification of women in our culture.

Ok? Its both.

>caveman and bible times

it was a joke. I know you're all humorless but I do occasionally indulge myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:02:21 2011 No.2227794 >>2227791 don't like that nomenclature but i agree with the meaning, not gonna deny it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:06:20 2011 No.2227799 >>2227792 I'll agree with this if you admit that the only way biological drive contributes to rape is that every rapist was at one point born.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:08:20 2011 No.2227800 >>2227799 ever heard of a 4 year old raping someone? it's because they can't. ever hear about puberty....?

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 04:08:21 2011 No.2227803

>>2227799

The objectification of women, minus sexual drive, doesnt lead to rape.

Sexual drive without the objectification of women can sometimes lead to rape.

the conclusion being sexual drive is the main cause, with objectification a contributing factor.

Learn to basic logic, i was just trying to be nice. Did we really need a thread about this?

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:12:20 2011 No.2227813

Sometimes I think you guys disagree with a tripuser just because he uses a trip. He's right.

Hell, I doubt any of the 'rape from only power' guys can't even name the original source of the theory other than their sex ed teachers, and if they could, they'd know how unsubstantiated and full of shit the book really is that started this whole misconception.

Power plays a part, but it's lust that's the key by far.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:13:20 2011 No.2227816

>>2227803
>The objectification of women, minus sexual drive, doesnt lead to rape.

Wrong. Not all rape involves a penis.

>Sexual drive without the objectification of women can sometimes lead to rape.

Wrong. Many people who objectify women would claim otherwise because they don't really understand what objectification is.

>the conclusion being sexual drive is the main cause, with objectification a contributing factor

lol

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 04:16:22 2011 No.2227819

>>2227816
>>2227816

>Wrong. Not all rape involves a penis.

The fact that not all rape involves women just makes the 'sexual drive' argument stronger.

>Wrong. Many people who objectify women would claim otherwise because they don't really understand what objectification is.

No, right, and the second point is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:18:22 2011 No.2227821 >>2227816 >Wrong. Not all rape involves a penis. Not all sex involves a penis. I guess going down on your girlfriend does nothing for you, huh? And people with foot fetishes don't do it for arousal but power, right? lol.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:28:20 2011 No.2227826

>>2227819

What? That's not what I said. Not all rape involves a penis means that an erect member (natural form of sexual desire) is not always involved in rape. In fact a significant percentage of rapists suffer from some sort of sexual dysfunction, and many don't even get a sexual thrill from the rape.

>No, right, and the second point is irrelevant.

No, the point is relevant. You claimed that rape can occur without objectification. What would be a more accurate statement is that sometimes rapists don't consider themselves misogynists. Just like how polygamists don't consider themselves misogynists, or how the taliban doesn't consider itself misogynist, etc etc.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:28:20 2011 No.2227827

And furthermore:

http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_politics.html

Here are some actually good papers written by people with background in the field, unlike the book the whole 'rape from power' theory is based off of.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:38:20 2011 No.2227842 Hell sometimes rapists don't event consider themselves rapists. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/11/12/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:42:20 2011 No.2227845 >>2227826 >In fact a significant percentage of rapists suffer from some sort of sexual dysfunction, and many don't even get a sexual thrill from the rape. Yeah I forgot men with ED don't ever try to cure it... oh wait, they still lust.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:57:20 2011 No.2227848

Sex in it of itself is hate towards women. Women experience pain the first time and women experience pain of giving birth to a baby that men, after months of not being a vital part of the process, take as theirs. Sex is a role game. Men dominate and fuck women. Women receive and get penetrated. Violated. Women are pushed to be submissive in the act. To be fucked. There's a reason why to be "fucked up" is a bad thing. Women take the pain with some pleasure, but the pleasure is only there because society has made it acceptable for women to have submissive "pleasure". The man controls the power and the pleasure and the act of intercourse ends when the man has gotten off leaving many women unsatisfied and violated. In the end sex is a hate crime against women. Only when the submission ends and equality in the bedroom begins will this hate disappear. It's sad so many men don't see this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:59:21 2011 No.2227849 This thread rapes my mind. Wake me when you're finished. zzz

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 04:59:21 2011 No.2227850 >>2227848 unironically agree wit dis

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 05:06:21 2011 No.2227851 >>2227848 It's a shame so many women are romanticised with the idea of being treated like shit then

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 05:10:21 2011 No.2227852

>>2227851
Men have told women to romanticize this shit. Authors have been doing this for years. Now movies and the media do it. And it has just become common for a man to say take it bitch. Women don't like it they just endure it. For now. Anyway, you should wise up an stop treatin women like shit.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 07:21:23 2011 No.2227941
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>>2227848
Is this an official position of feminists? It's so illogical. You talk about pain, and how women are penetrated, and equality in the bedroom will change that. So "equality", some strange concept, will ease the pain of birth? It will change the fact that women are penetrated? How is that supposed to be? Is the new, political correct sex a man who jizzes onto the vagina (outside) and the women, carefully pushes the sperm inside (she herself, so she asserts the power of impreganting herself)?
You guys/girls are all fucked up in the head.
Rape exists to ensure the continuation of our species. Men have the higher sex drive plus the stronger bodies in order to rape the woman if she resists. If push comes to shove, this is an option. It's not hate, it's satisfying biological urges.
I'm eagerly awaiting the time when people start interpreting bowel movements as signs of whatever repression and obsessions and hate. Yeah, why not start right away (or maybe it has even already been done): Is taking a dump a hate crime against black/brown people? Isn't it racism? Can't equality only be reached when our feces are colorless and not implying something is shit just judging by it's appearance?
You feminists are hysterical and need a good slap to get it together.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 07:25:24 2011 No.2227943 >>2227852 I treat women very well but it is rather obvious they'd prefer some douchebag who fucks them around and cheats on them. Maybe they feel they can 'change' them for the better

>>	Tripfag McTripfaggot !xi0f7kaVhk Sat Dec 3 07:58:25 2011 No.2227960 >>2227848 >Anti-sex feminist >GTFO >You make real feminists shake their heads in shame by perpetuating this stupid stereotype

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 07:59:23 2011 No.2227961 >>2227941 That's not a feminist, bro. That's a misandrist or a troll.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 08:01:23 2011 No.2227962 >>2227941 Nothing exists "for" anything in evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 08:38:24 2011 No.2227984 If I rape a black woman, is that a hate crime against women or against blacks? And how about a black, disabled woman? A black, old, disabled woman. That'll keep psychologists busy for years to figure out which hate was responsible.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 08:58:24 2011 No.2228008

>In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.[1]

The only way for rape not to be a hate crime according to that definition would be a 50/50 bisexual dude fucking everything for no reason at all.

I want to fuck women, not men. I also like to eat steak, not broccoli.I guess that would be hate crime too because I targeted that steak because of it's food group.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 09:24:24 2011 No.2228045 >>2227848 Stop trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 09:26:25 2011 No.2228046 WHY THE FUCK IS THIS THRED STILL ALIVE

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 09:32:24 2011 No.2228057
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Rape is not a hate crime, because it's not a crime. It's just sex, and sex is legal. The force that is used has to be regarded separately, and it is not targeted at the gender, it is targeted at a person that resists/attacks you. To put it all together and judge it as rape is making things too easy. I know legilation is viewing it differently, but that's just wrong. If the woman complies, everything is fine. It's the woman's decision to make it a crime or not, so women are responsible for the crime to come into existence.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 09:43:24 2011 No.2228071

>>2228057
>If the woman complies, everything is fine.

That's not rape, by definition. Are you stupid?

>It's the woman's decision to make it a crime or not, so women are responsible for the crime to come into existence.

So if someone dies from a gunshot wound to the head, they're responsible for their own murder since they chose to up and die?

You must be stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 09:58:34 2011 No.2228087 >>2228071 - The definition unjustified combines two elements. - One is an active choice, one is a passive event. If you shoot someone and before the person dies kills itself, the person is responsible for the death. It's not the shooter who killed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 10:23:27 2011 No.2228122 >>2228087 Wow, you really have hot turd for brains. I'm glad that when someone caves your face in with a hammer, it's not aggravated assault unless your whiny ass chooses to think it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:27:27 2011 No.2228199 >>2228122 If I can make a decision to make it a non-violent encounter and do so, there'll be no assault. What is so hard to understand? Plus, your futile attempts at insults amuse me. What are you, twelve?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:30:26 2011 No.2228203 >>2228199 >types like D&E Put on your trip

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:34:25 2011 No.2228211 >>2228203 you know nothing of d&e's work sage for hideously bad thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:44:25 2011 No.2228222 >>2228057 >If the person complies with the thief taking his belongings there is no crime. It's the person's decision to make it a crime or not, so the ones who are stolen from are responsible for the crime to come into existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:45:25 2011 No.2228225 everyoneabovethislinegotrolled.jpg and yes, I meant rolled

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 11:51:25 2011 No.2228231 >>2228211 >D&E >work lol no

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:13:32 2011 No.2228723

Sex is a hate crime towards women. Only something that hates can force their way into a vagina. The phallus is like a knife or a dagger and it cuts into women causing pain no man can ever know. Sex then is the repeated act of taking pain and on the man's side giving pain. Sex also has become entertainment and not for procreation. Society supports the violation of women in pornography, the workplace, at the home, etc. Society has tried to keep women submissive and silent. We are a silent majority. And it's sad we aren't more outspoken. More loud. Men have laws to keep us quiet, to keep us taking the pain. This is a cultural problem. The problem isn't rape it's the simple act of mating. It's the fact that hatred starts not in the bedroom but before th clothes are even off. Women are to be visually perfect. Has anyone seen a fat, ugly girl get raped in a movie? No. In fact women seem to be on decorative in most movies. In fact women are there just to play that role of feminity and to play the submissive person. Hollywood, media, male written books, all these things are poison in the system. It disgusts me.

In the end culture continually rapes, abuses, and attacks women.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:16:33 2011 No.2228726 >>2228723 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:17:33 2011 No.2228727 >>2228723 >"I don't enjoy sex therefore it must be a horrible tool of oppression." There you go making the personal political again...

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 17:19:32 2011 No.2228731

Women, if you don't want to get raped
1) dont dress like a slut
2) dont go out at night alone
3) carry a fucking gun

--------------------

Rape will always happen. Its the nature of things. Men want sex, men take sex. Its as inevitable as robbery.

I want this. You have this. I take this.

We can discuss the contributing factors to rape all we want, but until sexual desire is eliminated, rape will continue. The 'rape from power' argument has NEVER been supported, EVER.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:19:32 2011 No.2228732 paraphrasing andrea dworkin is, like, the laziest troll in the whole internet

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:20:32 2011 No.2228738

>>2228727
But I do enjoy sex. Equal sex. Sex where man and women are above rape and submission. I guess you just like making people submit and be raped by you.

Equal sex. I love equal sex.

Too bad many men will never know how to pleasure a woman like this.

>>	Deist !bod8FS6WpM Sat Dec 3 17:21:32 2011 No.2228739 >>2228731 Ignore this idiot retard. Im the real Deist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:22:32 2011 No.2228743 I don't know her but I'm glad you have led me to someone. Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:22:33 2011 No.2228745 Unequal sex is pretty hawt, also.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:24:33 2011 No.2228754 >>2228731 Women don't need guns. We don't overcompensate.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 17:25:32 2011 No.2228759 >>2228754 Carrying a gun for protection =/= overcompensation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:28:33 2011 No.2228765 >>2228759 Sure it doesn't. How big is your prick then?

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 17:30:32 2011 No.2228773 >>2228765 Because having a big dick means you'll never be mugged.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:32:32 2011 No.2228779 >>2228773 Nice strawman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:33:32 2011 No.2228782 Why is it so fucking obvious that the Anon arguing with Deist at the start of this thread is a women?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:34:32 2011 No.2228785 >>2228738 What is = sex? Is it mutual masturbation? Are you just saying that you want to peg some dude?

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 17:34:32 2011 No.2228787 >>2228782 Because she is stupid.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:45:32 2011 No.2228812

Just so you guys know why equal sex is...

Equal sex is sex that isn't abusive in anyway to women. If the penis makes the vagina sore or hurt during or after it isnt equal sex and is rape.
Equal sex is sex that isn't more pleasurable for the man than it is for the woman. Otherwise it is rape.
Equal sex is sex where the looks of the woman do not matter, where the physical act does not rely on the visual stimulation. Otherwise it is rape.
Equal sex is not porn. Porn is rape and worse rape of the culture.
Equal sex is not submissive in any way. It is not S&M. S&M is rape.
Any pain is not equal sex. It is rape.
Multiple partners is rape unless the multiple partners are equal in distribution.
Rape is clearly rape.
Catcalling usually leads to rape and is abusive to women and their emotions.
Sex is rape if the woman is not satisfied with the protection. If she has a baby it is her baby after all.
Male on male is rape and unnatural.
Stripping leads to societal downfall but isn't rape. It's a job,
Prostitution is rape when their is a pimp involved.
If the woman ever says no (even prostitutes) it is automatically rape.
Violent sexual acts are rape.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:47:32 2011 No.2228818 >>2228785 See here sunshine >>2228812

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 17:48:33 2011 No.2228819 >>2228812 lol this is what some feminists actually think. Rape is non consensual sex. That is what rape is. 'equal sex' is a retarded term, unless you just mean consensual sex (or, as I like to call it, sex.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:49:33 2011 No.2228822 File: 26 KB, 400x400, 131694112084.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2228812 I've no idea whether or not this post is serious, but whatever, it made me laugh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:54:32 2011 No.2228830 >>2228819 Consenual sex is rape if it doesn't follow those guidelines.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:57:33 2011 No.2228835

It can be.

In general, what legally qualifies something as a hate crime is the express intent provable by the preponderance (greater weight) of the evidence, the burden of which would be on the accuser.

If I rape a woman, that's rape.

If I say "Fuck women, I'm going to rape a woman to show women what fucking cunts they are," that's a hate crime, if they can prove that that was my intent, by the greater weight of the evidence.

It's the difference between assaulting a guy who happens to be black . . . and assaulting a black guy because I was LOOKING for A Black Guy to assault.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 17:59:32 2011 No.2228840 >>2228835 Rape comes out of the hatred of the women race.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:00:32 2011 No.2228841

Males are biologically programmed to rape women. But are women programmed to want to be raped?

Is that why they are irrational and passive? These things contribute to lack of power. It would also explain why they are attracted to dominance at the expense of pain to themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:01:33 2011 No.2228843 >>2228840 Yeah, or, a guy just wants to cum really badly, and decides raping someone would be easier. It's INTENT. Did he rape someone in order to get off, or did he do it EXPRESSLY IN ORDER TO STICK IT TO WOMEN EVERYWHERE? No pun intended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:01:33 2011 No.2228844 File: 158 KB, 662x800, Peter-Paul-Rubens-xx-Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus 1618-xx-Alte Pinakoth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2228841

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:04:33 2011 No.2228850

>>2228812
Please give us a vignette of an 'equal sex' encounter.

Questions:
How do the equal sex partners determine that they are having an equal amount of pleasure?
What if one of them the woman is a masochist?
Is the man's appearance important; if it is would that not make the sexual relationship between the man and woman unequal?
If there is a bisexual orgy with unequal numbers of men and women can it still be an equal sex orgy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:05:33 2011 No.2228852 >>2228843 You are silly. Rape is hate. Done. >>2228841 Nothing to do with biology. Way to comfort yourself at night rapist.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:06:33 2011 No.2228856

I know this is just a variation on a post that I'm sure has been made about 10 times over the course of this thread, but I gotta say - as a woman and a lover of Good Internet, I feel like every Emotionally Stunted 19-Year-Old Boys Rappin' About Gender Politics off-topic thread on page 0 is a hate crime against me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:07:32 2011 No.2228858 >>2228856 GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT TO SAGE I GUESS IT'S TRUE: BITCHES ASK FOR THIS SHIT

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:07:32 2011 No.2228859

To use a less shitty example than The Girl With the Dick for a Butt, TC Boyle's Greasy Lake has a much better example of rape. The narrator and his bros almost raped the girl of the guy they thought they killed not because they hated women, but because they suddenly felt they had the power to do so.

Also, I jumped in on my friends sexualitysomethingorother class once and this rape/abuse counselor came in to talk to us. Rape happens to men and women and the elderly and children alike, not because of any hatred necessarily, but because as it's probably been said in this thread multiple times, as a way to exert dominance and power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:08:32 2011 No.2228861 Rape against man or woman is a violent act but not a "hate crime."

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:09:32 2011 No.2228864 Rape will always happen. You might as well enjoy it

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:10:32 2011 No.2228865

Requirements for a hate crime
> must be motivated by discriminatory intent
> must intend to stop a person from engaging in a federally-protected activity (ie, voting, attending public school)

> Get into a fight with my neighbor Jerry, who is black, over a rake. Punch him in the face.
> charge: assault and battery
> Get it into my head that fucking niggers are ruining the economy; go out and find a fucking nigger who is trying to vote, and punch him in the face for doing so
> charge: assault and battery as a hate crime

> Rape a female I know, because I desire to have sex with her and she doesn't desire to have sex with me.
> charge: rape
> Get it in my head that fucking bitches are ruining the economy, and go out and find a fucking bitch who is trying to vote, and rape her for doing so
> The act is rape as a hate crime.
> The charge depends on the state, the judge, and the tenacity of your lawyer, who would certainly not be unreasonable in arguing that this was a hate crime, but would have a challenge ahead of him, and be arguing against the precedent (which has primarily utilized the charge of "hate crime" to instances driven by racial motivations)

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:12:32 2011 No.2228873

>>2228850
You are over thinking it. In the act of sex - appearance should not matter. But as a whole women are told how to look and this encourages rape.
Equal pleasure is a determined by the orgasm. If a woman doesn't have one it is rape.
Bisexuality is rape if it's man on man. Unequal numbers would matter and it must be even.
Masochism comes from societal pressures to conform to submissive behaviors. It is rape on many levels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:14:33 2011 No.2228877 >>2228865 >>2228865 >>2228865

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:16:32 2011 No.2228885 >>2228865 Women ruining the economy. You sir are silly. And with your language you seem like a woman hating rapist. Get checked out please.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:18:32 2011 No.2228892

>>2228873
>Equal pleasure is a determined by the orgasm. If a woman doesn't have one it is rape.

You're trolling, right?

If you get fucked in the ass and get a boner, it's not because you enjoyed it, it's because it's a physiological response that you can't avoid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:18:32 2011 No.2228893 >>2228885 I don't talk that way. The language was meant to convey intent. I also said 'fucking nigger'.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:21:32 2011 No.2228905
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>>2228873
>implying men aren't told how to look
What do you have against man on man love? Why?
inb4 it's gross/unnatural male homosexuality has been observed in many other species.
Some people have neurological (i.e. not caused by society) conditions which predispose them to associate pain with sexual release.
What if the woman just likes to give head?

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:22:33 2011 No.2228910

>>2228873
>Equal pleasure is a determined by the orgasm. If a woman doesn't have one it is rape.
So incompetence is a crime now?

Fucking hell, if you're not trolling (I hope you are) then people like you are the reason feminism isn't taken seriously anymore.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:26:32 2011 No.2228920

>>2228910

It is a troll. At the same time, there ARE feminists who think this.

>people like you are the reason feminism isn't taken seriously anymore.

This is correct. Feminists started out with clear, simple, reasonable goals. Right to vote. Equal rights before the law. Ect. Then they got philosophical (right after they were allowed into colleges) and batshit insane,

None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 18:26:32 2011 No.2228921

>consent while girl is drunk is still rape
one of my best buddies in high school went down for this :(

he told me later on that she probably filed it because it turns out she had a boyfriend at the time(he swears she never told him so) and that they were both caught in the act at a party by people who knew the boyfriend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:26:34 2011 No.2228923 File: 84 KB, 1200x801, 2891230-a-tired-boy-opens-his-mouth-in-a-yawn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2228920

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:28:34 2011 No.2228933 >>2228905 You are told to look like a gay Asian? And homosexuality is just rape. One is submissive and one is dominate. There is no other way around it. At least men and women can have equal sex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:30:32 2011 No.2228942 >>2228933 what if their giving each other handjobs at the same time and ejacualte at the same time

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:30:33 2011 No.2228940 Rape is only a hate crime if you are raping a woman specifically because you either hate her or hate women in general. I don't think most people understand what a hate crime is. Hint: it isn't simply committing a crime against any minority.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:31:32 2011 No.2228943

>>2228921
Consent when a girl is drunk is rape.

But if you murder someone when you're drunk its still murder.

You can't have it both ways. Either you're capable of making choices when drunk, or you're not.

If you can't consent to sex when drunk, then i cant be held accountable for who i kill when drunk.

Jack nicholson (in a movie) was asked 'how do you write such good female chracters'

'Easy, i write them like a man and then remove all sense of rationality and accountability.'

This is what women are. Creatures that want to take, take, and take more and then not be held accountable for their actions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:31:32 2011 No.2228944 >>2228920 >>2228920 Labeling me a troll is not right. You are trying to invalidate me by just being dismissive. Also it's etc. not ect.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:32:32 2011 No.2228949

>>2228933
Not if they stick to oral or even alternate giving/receiving. Homosexuality is probably the only role-free relationship left in society. And with the deficiencies of women being brought to the forefront by their new equality, I think more men will escape to homosexual relationships.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:33:32 2011 No.2228954 >>2228942 Handjobs is not sex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:33:32 2011 No.2228955 >>2228943 Murdering someone while drunk, the question would come to whether or not you still have the capacity to discern between right and wrong, not whether or not you have the capacity to make informed decisions. Learn some law.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:33:32 2011 No.2228956

>>2228944
>>2228944

Rape is non consensual sex. What you've described includes consensual sex. You have no right to tell people how they're allowed to have sex, or what is right for them to do sexually.

You do not have that right to violate their wills.

Rapists also do not have the right to violate the will of their victim.

You're more akin to a rapist than anyone else, making people have sex on YOUR TERMS rather than their own.

Calling you a troll is being charitable, if you're not a troll you're retarded.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 18:34:33 2011 No.2228959 >>2228943 where you from?

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:35:33 2011 No.2228961 >>2228955 Same thing.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:35:33 2011 No.2228965

>>2228949
male homosexuality by choice, if it is actually practiced, is the last refuge of a dude who cant deal with having an equal partner rather than a fuckable pet. of course non-reddit-induced gay relationships are beautiful things and, indeed, a lot more equitable than your avg hetero zombie coupling

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:36:33 2011 No.2228966

>>2228955

Even if you dont accept that those are the same thing, what about drunk driving?

Why should i be held accountable for drunk driving? I'm drunk, i can't control myself, i didnt make the choice to get in the car, it just kind of happened because I'm drunk. You cant hold me accountable for any choice i make when drunk. I thought I was sober. I'm drunk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:38:32 2011 No.2228968 >>2228966 Stupid ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:39:32 2011 No.2228972 >>2228954 but if thats the case why does applebees get mad when my date jacks me off while we wait for appetizers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:39:32 2011 No.2228973 >>2228956 I'm sorry I'm violating your right to rape.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:41:33 2011 No.2228981 >>2228972 Lol. Learn to be discreet. Also, what you having? Chicken wings?

None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 18:41:33 2011 No.2228982

According to a study, 50% of women prefer having sex while drunk.
>http://www.thefrisky.com/2009-09-24/do-women-actually-prefer-drunken-sex/
This kind of confirms my suspicion that women put themselves in that situation. Perhaps she really wanted the guy to 'take advantage' of her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:41:33 2011 No.2228983 >>2228973 >I'm sorry for coming up with my own definition of rape. ftfy

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:42:33 2011 No.2228986

>>2228968

When you get drunk you're choosing to get drunk and enter a state where your inhibitions are going to be lowered.

If you're going to a party or something, you know there will be men there.

You know if you are attracted to men.

You go to the party knowing its more likely you will have sex when you are drunk. This is something you know. This is an informed choice you make when sober.

Also, i've made choices that at the time seemed like a good idea, but later I would regret them. Maybe I was tired, or angry, or in any kind of altered mental state. That doesnt mean I was incapable of making that choice, just because I wasnt in a 'ground' mental state. It meant I made the best choice, at the time, for the mental state I was in. The fact that I might regret it later doesnt matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:43:32 2011 No.2228991 >>2228981 queso dip

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:43:32 2011 No.2228992 >>2228983 I didn't come up with it. Equal sex has been around before me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:45:32 2011 No.2228996 >>2228982 >Perhaps she really wanted the guy to 'take advantage' of her. There's a really big leap between "I enjoy things while drunk" and "I wanted him to take advantage of me." Pretty much everything is more fun while drunk.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:45:32 2011 No.2228997 >>2228992 And its a retarded concept. You have no right to tell others how they should have sex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:46:32 2011 No.2229000 >>2228986 You don't choose to get drunk. You choose to drink. And then men take a drunk girl and take advantage of her. Good thing the law is on my side.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:46:32 2011 No.2229002 >>2228996 Its because women are sluts. Just like men are sluts. Both want sex. Culture tells women they shouldnt want sex as much as men. When drunk they can shrug off their cultural programming and just be sluts like men.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:47:32 2011 No.2229004 >>2229002 >deist Nope.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:47:32 2011 No.2229005 >>2229000 Lol. The law is on your side because the law doesnt give a damn about being logical or consistent. Your position is flawed, your position is wrong. As you must accept given that you can not argue with my position.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 18:48:32 2011 No.2229008 >>2228996 You know nothing about the case except what I've disclosed here and secondly haven't followed my link.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:49:32 2011 No.2229011 >>2228997 And you have no right to rape.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:50:32 2011 No.2229014

>>2229011

Rape is non consensual sex.

Your definition of rape includes consensual forms of sex.

You wish to assert your will over others in the matter of sexuality, regardless of what they thing, violating their wills without their consent

You are a rapist at heart.

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:51:32 2011 No.2229017 >thing Think

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:51:32 2011 No.2229018 >>2228982 the daily mail (the source cited by that article) is a rag you should find a more substantial source for your gross victim blaming

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:52:32 2011 No.2229021 ITT Deist is an idiot that argues with a troll until he looks more like the troll and the troll looks more logical. Or is the troll real. I can't tell anymore. Anyway deist is an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:53:33 2011 No.2229024 >>2229014 My will over another person? Sounds like a mans logic. Silly deist. You try so hard.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 18:54:32 2011 No.2229026

>>2229021

[citation needed]

I've been rigorously logical. And I dont care if i am arguing with a troll, there are feminists who actually think this, and I might need to have a serious argument with one of them some day. You lost a lot by ignoring trolls, or dismissing trolls. Who cares if someone is trolling? If they can defend their position, regardless of if they actually hold it, thats all that matters.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 18:57:32 2011 No.2229037 >>2229021 he also ignored me..

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 18:59:33 2011 No.2229044 >>2229026 You haven't been logical once.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:03:32 2011 No.2229059

hey anons, don't make terrible arguments about what constitutes rape. it's not the case that it's rape if she doesn't come, that's stupid as fuck and goes against our understanding of what rape is (not to mention that by this definition, one could argue that nonconsensual sex in which the woman orgasms is not rape, which is prima facie ridiculous). also, cite me one serious feminist who takes this position, i can't think of any (of course even if there were some that doesn't make feminism invalid). don't be an idiot and validate dumbshit fuckers like deist. kay? kay

consensual sex is okay. nonconsensual sex is rape. and the latter category includes all cases where one party is unable to consent. hope this helps.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 19:03:32 2011 No.2229060 >>2229018 >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6220912/Women-drink-before-sex-because-t hey-lack-the-confidence-to-do-it-sober.html

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:08:32 2011 No.2229071

>>2229060
there is a difference between "having a couple of drinks" and "falling down drunk no longer in control of one's faculties." we're not talking about a woman having a glass of wine or two, we're talking about drunk people who aren't capable of making rational choices. at that point, its the responsibility of the sober person not to rape.

also the very fact that women don't have the confidence to have sex sober is kind of a problem w patriarchy, up with feminism

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 19:09:32 2011 No.2229076 >>2229071 women are biologically programmed to be more easily susceptible to cultural programming. True story, look up the literature on it. G2g be back tomorrow. Keep this thread alive chums!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:11:33 2011 No.2229082 Hate is a private emotion/motivation and it's inappropriate to append it to "crime". And I really hope OP is subtle enough of a troll to have intended the equivocation of rape with male to female sexual assault.

None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 19:14:32 2011 No.2229091

>>2229071
i can't reply to this without repeating what others have already said above.

anyway on your last paragraph, fuckoff. this guy was a loser(or "creep" as you might say) and lost his virginity that night. she had a long term boyfriend. what a fond experience to remember for him!(not saying his choice was logical but he was probably desperate).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:16:32 2011 No.2229095 >>2227586 No because there's no such thing as a "hate crime."

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:17:32 2011 No.2229103

>>2229076
fuck your biotruth bullshit (also i just went back through the thread and fuck you for literally blaming the victim)

>>2229091
that doesn't justify rape at all! it turns out to still be a horribly demeaning crime! no matter how desperate you are, or whether she's drunk. i don't even know how you expect me to feel bad for this dude.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 19:19:32 2011 No.2229110 >>2229103 it wasn't rape imo so im not justifying that. im gonna assume you're the "equal sex" character above and stop replying now.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:25:40 2011 No.2229129
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>>2229110
I'm not the equal sex person, at all. I just think that rape is wrong and if the sex is nonconsensual then it was rape. Also I'm really skeptical of ex-post-facto justifications on the part of people like your friend about how "it was totally consensual dude, she just had buyer's remorse". It does happen in a small number of cases, maybe, but it's also possible that he's just using it as an excuse.

Maybe your friend is guilty, maybe he's not. I don't know. Don't know the situation or the guy. The broader point here is that non-consensual sex is rape, and that includes sex when someone is too drunk to consent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:25:40 2011 No.2229130 >>2229059 thank you for the insightful post that everybody has ignored

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:31:39 2011 No.2229140 Jesus Christ, this thread is still going. >>2227586 This isn't /lit/-related. Gtfo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:32:39 2011 No.2229142 /lit/ - where equal sex is the standard!

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 19:36:39 2011 No.2229155 >>2229129 >I'm not [person], at all. >ex-post-facto justifications are you a 20-something female doing a degree in humanities instead? >>xxxxx9000 and >>xxxxx9005 are where the "too drunk to give consent" were last discussed if you care.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:40:39 2011 No.2229169

>>2229155
even if women choose to get drunk, it's still the choice of men to rape her. and therefore, it is their responsibility. they are guilty of rape because they chose to have sex non-consensually. blaming the victim in cases like this is really shitty.

also i'm a dude not that it matters

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 19:43:40 2011 No.2229177

>>2229169

The point is that being drunk does not automatically make the sex act rape.

If you RAPE a drunk girl, thats something else. But if you have consensual sex with a drunk girl, who drank of her own volition, thats on her.

Being drunk does not mean you can't consent to sex automatically.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:45:40 2011 No.2229181

>>2229177
if you are drunk enough, yes it does. there's a certain point where you are no longer capable of rational decision. someone in that state is not competent to consent. therefore, having sex with them is rape.

defining where that point is can be tricky, but i'm sure with empathy, understanding, and good will, we will all meddle through

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:47:41 2011 No.2229194 the reason that you kill people is not because you have made a choice to kill for whatever reason, it's because of some black tumor in your brain that has sucked all humanity out of you and turned you into the dark lord of domination and destruction

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 19:49:40 2011 No.2229200

>>2229181

Yes, if you are passed out drunk or in a stupor. That is rape.

>defining where that point is can be tricky, but i'm sure with empathy, understanding, and good will, we will all meddle through

Personally, ive blacked out before. I've passed out drunk before. I've woken up in a puddle of puke.

NEver at any point I can remember, was i incapable of making a rational consenting choice. Alcohol just makes me more fun and lose my inhibitions, which is why I'm so against the 'if the girl is drunk it is rape' argument.

Maybe people can be different I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:50:40 2011 No.2229202 >>2229200 no i'm sure your sperglord logic is completely capable of defining all cases ever seriously - if you blacked out, how do you know you were capable of making a rational choice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:54:41 2011 No.2229217 >>2229200 You probably got raped. But you were too drunk and stupid to fight back and sue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 19:55:40 2011 No.2229221 how many posts does a thread autosage after

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sat Dec 3 19:58:40 2011 No.2229232 >>2229221 too little ;D

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:01:40 2011 No.2229240

>>2229202

Even if you are extremely drunk, and you have sex, you consented at the time. You were ok with it at the time. Your power wasnt taken away. You enjoyed it presumably. You were not forced. (assuming the woman was not drugged, and got drunk of her own volition)

You regretted it in the morning. ITs regret. Its not a complete loss of power, having someone dominate you and violate your will.

Maybe it should be considered a crime but i dont quite think its akin to rape, assuming the guy didnt drug you, you were in the situation, and drank of your own volition.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:04:41 2011 No.2229243

>>2229240
The ability to consent implies being rational, mature, in possession of one's faculties. If one is not in position of one's faculties, one cannot consent. The same way you can't consent when you're asleep - it's just not possible. If someone is drunk to the point where they are not in possession of one's faculties, they are unable to consent, and having sex with them is rape. Even if you drank of your own volition, drinking is not the same as giving consent for sex. Someone who has sex with you without your consent is raping you, because they've made the choice to fuck you nonconsensually.

Also, stop thinking that stranger-rape is the only kind of rape. It's not. At all. In fact it's fairly uncommon in relation to other kinds of rape.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:04:41 2011 No.2229244 >>2229240 >Even if you are extremely drunk, and you have sex, you consented at the time. Consenting is a function of an unaffected mind. You can't consent if you can't reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:13:40 2011 No.2229257 this thread is my fetish, also rape.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:17:41 2011 No.2229260 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:18:40 2011 No.2229264

So one drink and you can't consent.

So being angry, you can't consent.

So being distracted you cant consent.

Drinking caffeine, you cant consent. Coffee is psychoactive, is it rape if you have sex with a girl after she drank an energy drink?

All of these things alter your ability to think.

>>2229244
>You can't consent if you can't reason.

As long as you're not passed out drunk you can still reason to an extent. Its not going to make you

AGREE to have sex with someone you dont on some level want to have sex with.

Which is my point. Even if the girl is drunk, at the time you had sex, she agreed to it. You are not overpowering her, not taking away her rights. She will have regret for the experience, not trauma.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:20:40 2011 No.2229268 bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

>>	Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:21:40 2011 No.2229269 Lets remove this from the abstract. If you want to continue the discussion let us apply our perspectives to actual cases. Link to a report on an incidence of rape. I'm done with discussing more abstract principles.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:23:40 2011 No.2229272

>>2229264
lol let's make super reductionist idiotic strawman arguments that no one is arguing

as i said, defining the specific point where someone becomes incapacitated is difficult. edge cases can be tricky. but the point is that if someone is CLEARLY not in possession of their faculties they are unable to consent. it's not "literally anything that affects your mind makes you unable to consent", that is a dumb strawman. it's "there is a certain point at which people are clearly incapacitated". if someone is falling down and slurring their words and passing out, and you have sex with them, that is rape.

again, force is not actually necessary for rape to occur. if you pressure a passing-out-drunk girl to fuck you, or just start fucking her because she is too drunk to resist, that's rape. if you have good will and empathy and don't believe that you are entitled to sex without the consent of your partner, you can probably avoid raping chicks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:24:40 2011 No.2229274 >>2229269 ahahahaha, fuck you, this is a bullshit argumentative move that you're only making because you know you're not winning this argument. seriously, dude, this is dumb and you know it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:26:40 2011 No.2229276 >Its not going to make you AGREE to have sex with someone you dont on some level want to have sex with. This an assumption, and wrong.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:27:41 2011 No.2229277

>>2229272

>lol let's make super reductionist idiotic strawman arguments that no one is arguing

Do you not understand what an argument is? He stated something, i stated counter examples that reduces his definition of consent to absurd. Its not a straw man.

I was responding to the guy that said

>Consenting is a function of an unaffected mind. You can't consent if you can't reason.

unaffected mind.

I had not responded to you yet.

>>2229272

I never said its NEVER rape if the girl is drunk. I said that drinking doesnt automatically make it rape.

I also said even if a girl doesnt consent, if she AGREES i think the agreement should modify the punishment of the rapist, because the woman wont be afflicted with the same trauma.

If she disagrees and does not consent (normal rape) it should be as harsh as normal penalties.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:29:40 2011 No.2229279

>>2229274

No, it is because I think we've gotten as far as we can discussing base principles and need to reign the discussion in. I also think argument over a specific case will reinvigorate the conversation.

What am I losing? Ive already defended several of my positions in this thread, this is simply the most recent argument, and I dont think I'm losing anything.

>>2229276
I do not think it is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:34:40 2011 No.2229289 >I do not think it is wrong. Well, then you're wrong. Wrong as in you're working on baseless, incorrect assumptions.

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:35:40 2011 No.2229295

Basically, the definition mosts feminists use for the point at which drunk sex becomes rape is:

1) the second she has one drink
2) if she regrets it in the morning

Both, i think, are illegitimate. I dont know where the line is drawn, or if it can be drawn.

If she agrees to it at the time, and isnt passed out, I dont think the guy having sex with her should go to jail.

>>	SAGE GOES IN EVERY FIEEEEEEEELDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD SAGE Sat Dec 3 20:36:40 2011 No.2229298 >>2229295 Brule Story Co

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:37:40 2011 No.2229299

>>2229277
>I never said its NEVER rape if the girl is drunk. I said that drinking doesnt automatically make it rape.

well, i mean, yes, it's not like a glass of wine makes it rape. but if we're talking about falling-down incapacitated drunk, then yeah it pretty much does make it rape.

>because the woman wont be afflicted with the same trauma.

lol way 2 define the feelings of rape victims, glad internet poster Deist is around to determine what people are allowed to feel after they've been raped

>>2229279
I still think it's a dumb move but fine. Let's talk about then-minor league baseball player Josh Lueke. Lueke was partying after a game at a bar with several teammates and associates. one woman came back to his apartment. she later remembered vomiting in the toilet while someone masturbated over her, then passed out, waking up the next morning with her pants down and clothing missing. Lueke initially denied having any sexual contact with her. however, investigators found semen samples matching Lueke's DNA on the woman's jeans, on her tank top strap, and from an anal swab. in response, Lueke claimed that they did have sex but that it was consensual. in the end, Lueke pled guilty to a lesser charge of "false imprisonment with violence" (raising the question of how the two had consensual sex) and was released on time served. he is now a pitcher for the tampa bay rays.

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/48562782.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Lueke

Was this rape?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:39:40 2011 No.2229306 >>2229295 that's a stupid-as-fuck strawman, actually

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:40:41 2011 No.2229309

>>2229299
>well, i mean, yes, it's not like a glass of wine makes it rape. but if we're talking about falling-down incapacitated drunk, then yeah it pretty much does make it rape.

i have no problem with what you just said.

>lol way 2 define the feelings of rape victims, glad internet poster Deist is around to determine what people are allowed to feel after they've been raped

Simple logic. No direct immediate violation of their will, no physical damage. Its kind of like saying 'you suffer less trauma when put under anesthesia for surgery.'

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:43:40 2011 No.2229315

>>2229306

No, that is a description of how a lot of feminists define it.

I'm not even arguing that having sex with a drunk girl isnt rape.

Call it rape because it didnt involve consent. Still dont think the guy should go to jail if she agreed at the time.

>>2229299

Doubt it, but i wasnt there.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:44:40 2011 No.2229316

>>2229309
just to be clear here, does your argument seriously rely on the assumption that the emotional responses of rape victims are illogical and invalid? "lol, silly women, let my logic tell you what you should feel..."

in any case, the punishment should be based off the crime, which is rape, ie nonconsensual sex. if someone 'agreed' to have sex when in fact they were not mentally capable to do so, it's rape, bro. and should be punished as such.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:45:40 2011 No.2229317 >>2229315 so buttfucking a passed-out girl isn't rape cool, dude

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:45:40 2011 No.2229319

>>2229295
>>2229295
>Basically, the definition mosts feminists use

deist I had to check your trip to make sure you were the real one

what you're doing here is arguing in bad faith, you've come in here with these insane prejudices against feminism (which is really fucking ludicrous in this day and age but then a lot of people feel that way) and then you argue an indefensible position backed by flat-out wrong assumptions

I can't decide if it's better if you're trolling or not

on one hand if you're being sincere then you're potentially a rapist

on the other hand if you're trolling you're definitely marginalizing rape victims when you know it's wrong

if you ARE trolling, I would ask that you reconsider trolling regarding this topic because it is kind of a reprehensible thing to do and not in a "so ridiculous its funny" way, you're parroting the beliefs of actual date rapists and thus enabling them

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:46:41 2011 No.2229320

>>2229317
>hang out with major league baseball players
>go to several bars with them
>kiss and dance with them
>go back to their apartment for sex
>both man and woman are drunk
>have sex
>wake up in morning, realize you can claim to be violated to make a shitload of money

but i wasnt there.

Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:46:41 2011 No.2229321

hey (I'm guessing) Hysterical Illogical Sensitive Male Feminists who can't stand down from a fight - why not just ignore this thread and let it drift down to page 15 instead of kicking up a thick head of wank foam that permanently sits atop this board? just a thought.

love,
Some Broad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:46:41 2011 No.2229322 >>2229319 hi5 anon, thanks for making an eminently reasonable and right-minded post, you rock

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 3 20:48:41 2011 No.2229323 >>2229321 it's like a scab you can't help but pick at. also, i forgot that deist is just kind of terrible in every way

Deist !!fMq8ZXuIWTO Sat Dec 3 20:50:40 2011 No.2229329

>>2229319
>you're potentially a rapist

No. I don't rape for the same reason I wouldnt murder.

I am a paranoid person and have no desire to ever go to jail. I value my freedom. I would not do anything that had even the slightest possibility of sending me to jail.

>hese insane prejudices against feminism

My prejudices against feminism were induced by people like the 'equal sex' girl, that I've met in real life.

>indefensible position backed by flat-out wrong assumptions

? point out the flaws rather than arguing against the man.

>if you ARE trolling

Everyone on here, is both trolling and not trolling at the same time. You all get what I mean.

>>	None !WvWWh.l.CE Sun Dec 4 07:37:51 2011 No.2230164 >>2228841 that's pretty interesting and im surprised no ones jumped on it ITT yet. what sort of actions or behaviours are a result of the repression of the need to be raped?

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 07:43:57 2011 No.2230170

>>2229329
There is a good point there. The idea that every man is a potential rapist is absurd. I'd say it's absurd for a different reason.

I think it's possible for nearly any man (barring any with physical/mental handicaps that prevent them from doing so) to be a rapist. However, by that same token, every human being with the physical and/or mental acuity to do so is a potential murderer... or thief... or fraudster... or anything really. Saying that any man is a potential rapist is such a universally redundant statement that it boggles the mind why people think it forms an appropriate part in this debate at all.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:18:54 2011 No.2230196

>>2230170
What about being an asexual that doesn't ever drink? That somewhat disqualifies me.

I think that we should set up a totalitarian police state in where both male and female children are spayed and neutered and giant machines make children at a rate that can be controlled then rape would disappear. Hate crime problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:25:55 2011 No.2230201 >>2230196 I had my cat neutered, but he still rapes that toy mouse. Also, all men would have those creepy high pitched voices.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:26:54 2011 No.2230204
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Women can cope with rape, the had to do it for millennia and they are biologically prepared for it, hence the high amount of rape fantasies (not saying they WANT it, but at some level the thought arouses them and they can stomach it pretty well). It's just society that tells them more and more it is such a despicable crime and it HAS to traumatize them, and thousands of therapists live off that. Many girls consider rape not as a crime but a weapon against men; how easily they accuse someone falsely, out of embarassment or revenge. We should educate women to embrace rape as what it is: an elemental part of social interaction that can be a wonderful experience for all involved.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:29:54 2011 No.2230207 >>2230204 >not saying they WANT it, but at some level the thought arouses them and they can stomach it pretty well Rapist detected.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:36:54 2011 No.2230215

>>2230201
That is a problem, how about we socialize people from an early age that any sexual interaction with the other human being is wrong, make them utterly sickened by it like how one would play around in organs and fecal matter. Punish it with death.

Also, we could attempt to alter humanity to only include one sex and do socialization that way. We do have the ability to make any type of children we want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 08:39:54 2011 No.2230217 >>2230207 Potential rapist, please, unless you have proof. Plus, you write that as if it's something bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 09:35:55 2011 No.2230275 This thread has made me lose respect for women.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 10:08:01 2011 No.2230314

rape is not rough sex

rape is sex under false pretenses

rape is not agreed upon by the victim

rape is against boys/girls/men/women

rape is universal

the mind processes rape over a lifetime

it is unthinkable for the victim

easy for the rapist

a loser

no winner

haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 10:49:30 2011 No.2230367 Rape is the capitalism of sexual interactions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 10:50:30 2011 No.2230369 >>2230367 no, that's obviously porn/prostitution, derpity doo

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 10:57:30 2011 No.2230377

yes rape is a hate crime against women obviously i mean come on that is just super obvious and universally applicable where the hell have you been LIVING, op, THE DRC????
when a man rapes a man he is committing a hate crime against women
when a woman rapes a man she is committing a hate crime against women
ditto ad nauseum for all other genders and rapist/rapee combinations
(aspies please note that this was a joke)

ok no, shut the fuck up you whiny "allowances must be made for meeeee~"social justicing cunts and misogynistic patronizing "it's naaaature~" rape apologists. you know why i don't like rape? i don't like rape because it's a cheap, asinine way for genetically inferior fucktards to perpetuate themselves in the gene pool.

it's the ultimate useless fucktwat's way of ensuring their DNA will be passed on, regardless of whether it's some autistic retarded man shoving his dick into his sister's viable best friend at her sleepover or whether it's some psychotic bipolar schizoid woman poking holes in the condom of a man she got drunk with and subsequently tied to a bed. the dna of the genetically superior individual is tainted by the dna of the rapist when the two produce offspring, but for the dna of the rapist? they just won the fucking lottery. by robbing the lottery.

>cont'd because i mad

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 10:57:31 2011 No.2230379

>>2230377

the rapist's dna wins not because they were an intelligent, strong, capable provider or an able-bodied nurturer or valuable in a significant way to the advancement of the human race or ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, but because lol hax wut u do now, human genome????? ;D ;D ;D

it is not an acceptable way for a sentient species to propagate itself. we have damn well tamed nature and we can kill the fuck out of all of our natural predators. from a completely pragmatic perspective we do not NEED to have the hideous bloated psychopath with an IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, RAPE ALL FERTILE ONES subroutine living and breeding and mouthbreathing among us anymore in order to overcome the instincts of the sane/evolutionarily gifted survivors in the event of, say, all the other men in your tribe getting killed by a herd of zebras. or plague. WHATEVER. there are PLENTY of us. we do not need, AS A SPECIES THAT IS CURRENTLY SEVEN BILLION STRONG, to have a "herp derp gotta preserve the species lol" rape instinct anymore. for fuck's. sake. we have gotten CLEVER ENOUGH not to /need/ that as a failsafe to override the portions of our brains that wring their hands at murdering and pillaging because of bluh bluh ALL THESE MORAL FEELINGS~~~.

tl;dr it's not an acceptable way for this species to propagate itself, it is one of many stupid evolutionary failsafes that piss me off, if you say you raped them because you were horny you are really just saying "my dna is substantially inferior to theirs and so i had to resort to cheating at mating", fuck you all i need coffee & cigarettes now

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:00:30 2011 No.2230383 BECAUSE THERE ARE NO KNOWN INSTANCES OF A FEMALE PERPETRATOR RAPING A MALE VICTIM OH WAIT In short: OP is a faggot

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:02:31 2011 No.2230384

>>2230204
>We should educate women to embrace rape as what it is: an elemental part of social interaction that can be a wonderful experience for all involved.

/lit/ has some god-tier trolls.

Sorry, I don't want random men fucking my wife and daughters. We don't live as cavemen (well, not us niggers at least).

kt Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:03:31 2011 No.2230386

rape, rape ,rape , rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape,rape,rape,rape,rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape, rape,....
I had a headache you bitch. You fucked my brains out. You fucking bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:05:30 2011 No.2230389 >>2230384 > don't want random men raping my wife and daughters why do you feel the need to treat the women you claim to love as your property?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:06:30 2011 No.2230392 >>2230383 Confirmed for dumb cunt who deserves to be raped as punishment for such a stupid comment. >HURRR DURR SOMETHING DOES NOT HAPPEN IF I AM NOT INFORMED.

>>	Spider-Man !!LpJFJwZq2Js Sun Dec 4 11:07:30 2011 No.2230393 File: 30 KB, 199x300, spider-man-pulse1-199x300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2230386

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:08:31 2011 No.2230398 >>2230392 i bet your the edgiest kid in all of 4th period gym class

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:09:31 2011 No.2230399 >>2230389 >as your property I think you are confusing the use of the word "my" in my sentence for ownership, when I was simply refering to the relationship we share. 0/10.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:10:30 2011 No.2230400 >>2230399 it's one thing to say you don't want random men drinking your milk or using all your wifi bandwidth but women aren't your personal property, asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:12:30 2011 No.2230405 >>2230398 At least I don't bleed out of a gash between my legs once a month. Stay mad (and inferior), whore.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:14:30 2011 No.2230407

>>2230400

wait are you deliberately misunderstanding everything that that poster just said as an arch way of poking fun at the stupidity of having this fake debate in the first place or - or are you actually just stupid?

my meta love for you has withered

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:15:30 2011 No.2230410 >>2230405 not the anon you were responding to but, >implying i don't do that just for fun sometimes get out of the house and live a little

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:15:30 2011 No.2230411 >>2230407 are you misunderstanding your macho misogyny?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:17:30 2011 No.2230416 >>2230410 Do what? >>2230407 Don't bother. I gave him a 0/10 for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:18:30 2011 No.2230418 >>2230411 I don't have a penis I'm not really sure where you're going with this this is clearly a shitty online roleplay thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:19:30 2011 No.2230419 >>2230418 poor thing, you've internalized our male dominated ethics system so much that you actually want to be controlled by a man!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:19:31 2011 No.2230420 THIS THREAD IS BAD AND YOU ALL SHOULD FEEL BAD

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:20:31 2011 No.2230421 >>2230416 I'm just saying if you've never woken up in a dumpster bleeding from at least three orifices you probably aren't going to nearly enough parties, madam

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:20:31 2011 No.2230422 >>2230419 How about I fucking rape you, cunt?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:21:31 2011 No.2230424 >>2230421 I'm no lady, bro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:22:30 2011 No.2230426 damn i just picked a booger too big to flick without guilt, gotta find a tissue

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:25:30 2011 No.2230435

>>2230419

uhhhhh.... for a retarded yaoi fangirl, you seem pretty keen on insisting you have a penis

okay

you have a "penis"

clearly this makes you inherently magical, I mean, christ, look at that thing

show me your sweet deviantart drawings of sonic the hedgehog fucking tails, o hot master with at least one penis, and i will flatter you and re-affirm your clear masculinity with every whimpering feminine breath from my stubble-laden face

then my anus will magically lubricate itself and we will make... assbabies. somehow. because you have a penis and I have a vagina inside my anus inside another vagina. this is natural. this is.... right.

(are you turned on yet)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:26:31 2011 No.2230438 >>2230435 u r an fag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:27:31 2011 No.2230441 >>2230422 your roleplay character in this thread is kind of... a really shitty gary stu at least the Enraged Feminists are kind of in character and, you know, /trying/ can't you muster up a little more misogyny why do you hate creativity?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:28:30 2011 No.2230444 >>2230422 heh guys gdid you see how pissed off the substitute was when i said "rape"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:31:30 2011 No.2230451 >>2230441 >>2230444 Not so great now, is it? Just kidding, fuck bitches.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:32:31 2011 No.2230453

>>2230405
>>2230422

I mean clearly these are the same anon

Seriously, put some effort into it

Quote Juvenal or something

how am I supposed to vicariously wank with your angry, throbbing e-penis and enjoy the creamy froth of your rage if all you can manage is that?

do you need help

do you need me to write you a wikihow article on being a successful misognyist

actually can I just godmode your character? And make this a one-author fanfic instead of a collaborative meta roleplay? Because frankly I don't think you've even /read/ half the misogynist literature out there. Your OC is a poorly-reasearched piece of crap.

>>	kt Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:39:30 2011 No.2230469 >>2230393 I see you have value. I'm sad to say : menace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:39:30 2011 No.2230472 >>2230453 Do you want to fuck me or something?

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:46:30 2011 No.2230483

>>2230405
>>2230422

do you need me to sensually massage you with sweet-smelling oils and tenderly whisper into your ear "I definitely don't consent to this, mmmm, and I definitely wouldn't consent to having your hot, hard dick buried in my - uh - vagina, yeah, there is just... no consent... for you... sir..." for you to get up your flaccid roleplaying boner? do I really have to write all your lines for you? have you even read Philosophy in the Bedroom? Why aren't you quoting Sade's incendiary - brilliant - yet utterly crackpot - justifications for the sexual slavery of all women? Why not add a dash of the racier bits of Lolita, you unoriginal hack? If your ~super sexist person with a dick~ OC is supposed to be enraging my angry rape victim character, you could seriously try a LOT harder. Jesus fucking Christ, you're supposed to be the "edgy misognyist" character in this roleplay-in-the-format-of-bickering-anons, you could at least show some enthusiasm for the role. If this were your contribution to a collaborative scriptwriting effort I would blow my nose with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:49:30 2011 No.2230488 >>2230472 >too stupid to understand he's being trolled look, if I have to explain the basic principles of trolling, meta, AND online roleplaying to you, you're really not going to be a lot of fun

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:50:31 2011 No.2230489 >>2230384 >I don't want random men fucking my wife and daughters Why would your wife be outside of the kitchen? What's with your daughters, jealous?

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:55:31 2011 No.2230495
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Rape shouldn't be treated as such a serious crime, more like a minor offense. I mean, all the hysteria just encourages the perpetrators to turn the rape into a murder when finished. Like one said about wife and daughter, I'd rather have them raped instead of murdered. On the other hand, most rape cases are happening in the own social circle, so it's mostly husbands/fathers who commit the rape, so I guess it's just jealousy anyway ...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:56:31 2011 No.2230496 >>2230483 Okay, that made me hard. Women do enjoy rape, right? You just hate giving away sex without being able to manipulate the man into doing something for you. Dat dissonance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:58:31 2011 No.2230501 >>2230489 >Why would your wife be outside of the kitchen? She wouldn't. Niggers could potentially break in and rape her. >What's with your daughters, jealous? That was some freudian shit right there.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:59:31 2011 No.2230504

>>2230496
yeah rape is the most enjoyable kind of sex for chicks because it's the most natural, like you attracted a man so much that he had an uncontrollable sexual need to inseminate you, it's the rawest satisfaction not like these shitty romantic things were the guy tells you stupid jokes or looks into your eyes and gives you fake compliments, rape is the ultimate compliment and the most natural expression of sexual love.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 11:59:32 2011 No.2230507 no man shall lay with my daughters until he answers a series of fiendishly clever riddles and lifts a series of monster truck tires to prove his mental and pysical fitness

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:00:32 2011 No.2230508

>>2230472

I prefer the term "making wild monkey love", but, no, my dear, sweet, innocent little Cherub Who Is Insisting He Definitely Has A Penis And Also All Women Are Whores And Also Why Not Rape Them???-chan. No, I don't want to fuck you. Your virginity should be cherished and given up to someone who truly loves you. (Preferably while you are wearing a schoolgirl uniform, bound at the wrists and ankles and bitterly screaming about how all women are bitches and men are clearly the superior sex, while someone gently stretches your ass open with a dildo a touch too large for your virginal hole. Your cockring has a pink ribbon over it, because you find that infuriating. ... Yeah, ok, maybe I want to fuck you a little. I have a massive boner for hate-fuelled neurotics dissolving into tears of simultaneous rage and ecstasy. Don't worry, though, precious. /I'm/ not a rapist.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:06:32 2011 No.2230524 >>2230508 >/I'm/ not a rapist. Only a rapist would say that.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:08:31 2011 No.2230527

>>2230496

see

>>2230508

I think /most/ humans enjoy, at least on a fantasy level, the idea of massive power imbalances between sex partners. Regardless of gender, it probably plays into a deep-seated resonance with "alpha wolf makes everyone their bitch" archetypes. Who wouldn't want to be Adonis, fucked and imprisoned forever in an eternal garden that the Goddess of Passion and flawless perfection herself built to cage you in, /insisting that it could not compare to, but only flatter, your beauty/? Who hasn't mulled over the rape of Persephone and the allure of that brutal sadist to end all sadists, Death Himself?

I just write fanfic, really. Also, I'm a massive troll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:10:31 2011 No.2230533 >>2230524 everyone who claims not to be a rapist is a rapist so if you're actually not a rapist, you have to claim you are it's the only way anyone will know you aren't

>>	kt Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:14:31 2011 No.2230539 >>2230533 I'm a rapist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:15:32 2011 No.2230546 >>2230539 that looks like a great post to cap and post without context

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:19:31 2011 No.2230553 >>2230527 >I just write fanfic no wonder you can't write.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:20:31 2011 No.2230555

Is it rape if I blackmail a girl into having sex with me and she cries during it? Even if she then puts no resistance up anymore when I want to fuck her and she becomes my girlfriend? I mean, if a girl can change her mind and declare rape afterwards, she can aswell change her mind and declare it "non-rape" later, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:20:31 2011 No.2230558 >>2230527 >a deep-seated resonance with "alpha wolf makes everyone their bitch" archetypes yiff in hell, furfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:21:32 2011 No.2230559 >>2230527 I know some girls that'd get sooo wet for this.

Anonymous Sun Dec 4 12:39:32 2011 No.2230610

>>2230553
>>2230558

oh my god

okay okay let me just try to remember what it was like being 14 and I'll just wing it on the furry part

the meta of this thread has gotten kind of out of hand, I don't think I can work the "pretending to accidentally believe that this boring as fuck read-it-a-thousand-times rape argument thread is actually a silly badly-written meta roleplay between anons, in order to badly derail it" + "pretending to get offended when misinterpreting the actual misognyists as simply being bad writers and throwing a fake hissy fit at them" + "on-the-fly responding to a vaguely interested anon as though I were an actual snobbish female sadist with a comparative literature degree who 'ships misognyists with misandrists out of a snarky sense of poetic justice" AND ALSO work in the furry parts because jesus fuck I haven't slept in two days and I just smoked three packs of cigarettes and I am on my second pot of coffee

but for you, obliging anons

>my luminescent orbs brim over with sensual crystalline tears as I tuck my silky sable raven ebony vermillion black coal tail between my vaguely humanoid legs and repent, snuffling with my nose which is a wolf nose because I'm a wolf

>how daaaare you say my writing is bad i am calling fursecution!!!!

ahhh, I broke character with the top of this post. :')

time to get drunk, I think

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