Things Fall Apart; or Why Colonialism Isn’t so Bad After All

[Anonymous No.22275086]

Perhaps the worst piece of shit we had to read in high school, Things Fall Apart was meant to show how bad colonialism was (even in high school, I had a more nuanced position on colonialism in general, but I knew better than it to share it openly, free speech only existing nominally in this country), but all it ended up doing was make an emphatic case in favor of it. Okonkwo’s tribe (don’t remember the name) are horrific and brutal savages, they leave newborn babies to die from exposure if they’re twins out of some backward superstition, they solve most of their problems through violence all but one week out of the year, and they practice polygamy despite not being mohammedans.
It is no surprise then that when the white man comes and brings real civilization, there are some in the village who take to it instantly. We are, as the audience, supposed to lament, but why should we? There is nothing worth salvaging in this tribal culture, for it is rotten and evil to the core—a blot which be scrubbed out! I took great joy in Okonkwo’s death, knowing that him and his ways shall never have their presence haunt the earth again.

[Anonymous No.22275117]

>>22275086
I am proud to belong to a race of explorers, conquerors, inventors, artists, who bequeathed the world over the products of their innate beauty, sublimity and genius and, swing they yet to this very day high upon the fiery wings of glory - nowise did they demand recompense; so overcome were they by the selfless trance of their genius.

I am proud to be a coloniser: forsooth, I was thrust from the very bosom of this Earth to oppress and subjugate all weaker stock for the benefit of myself and my race. Verily, our imperium knows no end. Parcere subiectis - the perpetual servitude of lower races to my will: this is my clemency - et debellare superbos - setting fast the yoke of my religion, order and culture upon barbarians - this is my severity.

I am proud to be an oppressor, a subjugator, a coloniser; a bringer of order, beauty and the sublime where hitherto there had only reigned chaos, ugliness and an inborn ignorance of the transcendent. Witness our beneficience with regards to the the Dark Continent, lifted out of the swamp of unfathomable ignorance by the spirit of our religion, liberated from primal indolence by the designs our commerce; witness our ingenuity in the land of the Hindoos, decorated with the feats of our harmonious architecture, ennobled by the jewel of our civil code. And I concede that the Dark Continent might be, despite our steadfast efforts, beyond salvation at present - it will be the burden of the Hyberborean race to bring our modest beginnings to fruition; but, gentlemen, the Crown Jewel of the Empire? With what skill and pluck we have perfected the Law of Manu! Ne'er again shall a Brahman be cursed with the wretched countenance of the Untouchable. Verily, I say unto you: without us, they would be nothing - nothing! The measure of debt they owe us for our undying fire, for our Promethean gift, is truly unpayable - either by currency, by men, or by the very blood that bounds us to life. Hail our people! Hail victory!

[Anonymous No.22275150]

And this is why the other races hate us. I’m pro collective-white consciousness but you are only hindering the path there with this arrogant boasting. Fuck you. We need strategy and tact not heated emotion

[Anonymous No.22275174]

European colonization in Africa (besides the handful of European trading ports that existed from the 1500s) lasted barely two Centuries from the beginning of the 19th Century to the late 20th Century and this is counting from the first real European colony (again, that wasn't a port) to the last colony to be liberated. Anyone who read their history knows all the colonies in Africa were highly unprofitable and failed enterpises most of wich had to be closed because of bankruptcy. Now you know the truth about the European colonies in Africa.

[Anonymous No.22275185]

>>22275086
>Why Colonialism Isn’t so Bad After All
That's what you got out of it? It's about how both systems mostly suck, but each has at least a couple redeeming qualities

[Anonymous No.22275219]

>>22275086
only thing i remember about this book is yam farming. not even any particulars about yam farming. just the bare fact that yams were grown, then harvested, and then eaten.

[Anonymous No.22275225]

>>22275219
And wrastlin! And a guy from a nearby tribe who says "buttocks" all the time.

[Anonymous No.22275234]

i only remember the dude hanged himself at the end.

[Anonymous No.22275357]

>>22275234
I didn't even remember that part.

[Anonymous No.22275375]

>>22275117
holy BASED

[Anonymous No.22275404]

>>22275086
The face on the cover looking like an upside-down chudjak is the perfect unintended symbol for how "anti-colonialism" is just ethnonationalism that has been inverted, yet remains identical in its reactionary nature. Take any appeal the "anti-colonial scholar" makes to "indigenous traditions" or "indigenous ways of knowing" or "indigenous social structures," replace "indigenous" with "Aryan," and bask in how sublimely chuddish it becomes. Any movement that cares for progress in any meaningful sense of the term must jettison fully and unapologetically the politics of the indigi-Nazis.

[Anonymous No.22275413]

>>22275086
>they practice polygamy despite not being mohammedans.
Most African Christians are in favor of polygamy.

[Anonymous No.22275633]

>>22275219
lol i remember that commercial

[Anonymous No.22275686]

I came to a similar conclusion after reading this novel. Colonialism was a force for good in the world.

[Anonymous No.22275817]

>>22275086
Literally, what is the appeal of colonization, for the civilization getting oppressed, and dont say some bullshit like making "order" or making things "civilized". Oh wait, you can't because anyone who says colonization is good needs a brain scan or needs to be shot like dogs

[Anonymous No.22275825]

>>22275086
>>22275117
Reads like a gay substack post. Kys

[Anonymous No.22275881]

>>22275817
To stop people from killing babies and fostering an environment where people can make high art. Ironically, this novel never would have been written had it not been for colonialism.
>>22275825
I’m not the second poster.

[Anonymous No.22275897]

>>22275086
>retarded abstract art on the cover
you should have known it was shit from the first glance

[Anonymous No.22275922]

>>22275086
>(even in high school, I had a more nuanced position on colonialism in general, but I knew better than it to share it openly, free speech only existing nominally in this country

[Anonymous No.22275925]

>>22275086
It's African Magical Realism and it works, because it's a work both of great artistic and psychological subtlety. It's quite likely the world it describes has very much disappeared. Also I suspect there was much less self loathing in his world than in the modern white world.

[Anonymous No.22275927]

>>22275897
>retard with retarded superficial take

[Anonymous No.22275936]

>>22275086
Imagine being this smug about something you clearly missed the point about. Then again, anyone with even a little bit of self awareness would have known their highschool self was a stupid pretentious loser, but this loser actually continued thinking he had good ideas and critical skills back then and basically peaked then and there without any development or self reflection.

[Anonymous No.22276134]

>>22275936
Understood the point, just overstepped it because it was a retarded point. Nice projection btw.

[Anonymous No.22276869]

>>22275881
Killing fully born babies is bad. I'll give you that. But "high art" is so subjective, and it devalues many great cultural pieces of art if you try to narrow what is and isn't "high art." Even than being okay with colonization is such a retarded way of thinking, theirs pretty much zero justification, unless a group of people genoicde or something of that caliber

[Anonymous No.22276884]

None of you will ever be great men and even if you do achieve what the supposedly did you won't feel anything

[Anonymous No.22277300]

I know people aren't read for this take but I'll say it anyway
If you are pro-colonialism you are a leftist
Because colonialism is alive and well in modern leftist rhetoric
The most anti-colonialist people are in fact the radical right

[Anonymous No.22277512]

>>22276884
thanks for the epic tip, fellow gamer

[Anonymous No.22277696]

>>22275817
to spread the Holy Word and also to get rich off of really cheap rubber

[Anonymous No.22277699]

>>22277300
colonialism and mass immigration are not the same thing

[Anonymous No.22278294]

>>22275185
This. It’s a great story for the fact it does precisely what the presumptuous reader does not expect.

[Anonymous No.22278910]

>>22277699
Mass immigration is the logical endpoint of colonialism
You can't convince people hey my country is great way better than yours and expect them not to try and go there

[Anonymous No.22278915]

>>22278910
no but you should still gun them down when they try to invade

[Anonymous No.22279821]

>>22276869
>unless a group of people genoicde
Every genocided. The reason France is a coherent nation is because of a large string of ethnic cleansing in the 1800s. Literally every African country was shit before the Europeans came. They sold their own men as slaves lmao.
Also check out how shitty SA has gotten since apartheid ended. They can't even keep the lights on and the dominant party's bragging about Mandela and blaming white peepo is wearing off.

[Anonymous No.22279844]

>>22275404
Yeah, third-worldism is just national socialism but for brown people

[Anonymous No.22279854]

>>22275686
Shame about this current state we are in though. The colonialists intentions werent pure enough. It should have been an entirely militarist affair with the ideological goal of domination for self preservation. Develop them not to simply import raw materials but to take tributes from variously autonomous colonies run by natives if feasible but controlled by colonists.
Yeah, I'm fantasizing like a child.

[Anonymous No.22279902]

>>22275086
Kind of reminds me of Night. Sure it sucked, but he survived through an "extermination" camp. The worst person was a dentist who was going to do "surgery" on his gold tooth (he doesn't, and ends up being hanged anyway), and he all but admitted to embellishing most of it.

[Anonymous No.22279931]

>>22275404
It is pretty funny being in Canada and watching people tie themselves into knots supporting indigineous blood and soil nationalism and hereditary leadership positions.

[Anonymous No.22280415]

>muh colonialism
If you knew fuck all about this book or any of the political/social shit people assign to it, is that actually what you'd take away from it? Stop listening to what academics say about literature. It's about book about a man getting left behind by the times. People who excelled in one world being made useless and miserable in the next. I don't even like niggers and I found it to be exceptionally heartbreaking.

[Anonymous No.22280458]

>>22275185
>It's about how both systems mostly suck, but each has at least a couple redeeming qualities
https://youtu.be/ORBBap-m0tY

[Anonymous No.22280493]

>>22275817
To spread capitalism everywhere so we can move on to communism.

[Anonymous No.22280660]

Progress is an inexorable process.

[Anonymous No.22280701]

>>22275086
>even in high school, I had a more nuanced position on colonialism in general, but I knew better than it to share it openly, free speech only existing nominally in this country
Remember, there were men who died for their ideas, and right wing "men" are too afraid of liberal arthoes calling their views problematic.

[Anonymous No.22280954]

>>22280701
>right wing "men" are too afraid of liberal arthoes calling their views problematic

They aren't afraid of some arthoe, they are afraid of the state. You dont want some swat gorilla breaking into your house and either arresting you so you spent the next few years in jail and afterwards become permanently unemployable, or you just get killed. That arthoe tattles you to the state and the state eliminates you.

[Anonymous No.22280976]

>>22280954
Afraid of the state that literally bows and sucks conservative cock everyday? Man you guys are such bitches, you literally won and still make up bullshit excuses for being annoying snowflakes

[Anonymous No.22280997]

>>22278915
Colonialism turns brown people into Jewish property and you can't gun down golems that Jews import into your country to work on dreidel factories because you would be damaging Jewish property and that violates the NAP.

[Anonymous No.22281011]

>>22275174
this is literally the gayest faggot chudpost ive ever read

[Anonymous No.22281034]

>>22280954
>The SWAT will break into your house if you say colonialism wasn't entirely bad to your lib arthoe sociology teacher
Do Republikeks actually believe this? I thought only black people are allowed to pretend the police is discriminating against them.

[Anonymous No.22281036]

>>22275150
I think they need a chauvinistic father figure to defy and aspire to. The best thing the white can do is make it known that western civilization and its values is superior by all metrics, and dare the rest to prove they can do better.

[Anonymous No.22281039]

>>22281034
The police, american police specifically, exist to enforce the rules of those in charge. Theyre not there to defend your liberties. Why you think they wouldnt do immoral, illegal shit when they have time and time again is beyond me. Youre a delusional retard. Kys troon.

[Anonymous No.22281115]

>>22275817
I guess I can attest to colonization to a small extent, I lived in a country where there were no roads so the facilitation of inter settlement trade was basically whoever had more horses and was extremely biased. Infrastructure development and roads allowed more free enterprise and village growth in my region so I can't help but find it beneficial. Not having to go 4 hours out of the way to a hospital or petrol area around people's grazing land saves lives as well

[Anonymous No.22281387]

>>22281034
If you tell that to your arthoe sociology teacher you will receive some consequences, but mostly depending on where you are. You will most likely get expelled from school or severely reprimanded, or if the arthoe is in HR you will get fired. In more tyrannical countries like in Britain, France or Germany you will go to prison for hate speech.

[Anonymous No.22281621]

>>22280997
the NAP is libertarianism's biggest flaw

[Anonymous No.22282204]

>>22275936
We get it you love rape and abuse and wish the big bad white men left that poor noble tribe alone to wallow in their degeneracy. Is that your take? Boohoo a tribe that participated in the most despicable crimes was wiped out…

[Anonymous No.22282363]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOkrYW3vF0o

[Anonymous No.22282376]

>>22280954
>They aren't afraid of some arthoe, they are afraid of the state. You dont want some swat gorilla breaking into your house and either arresting you so you spent the next few years in jail and afterwards become permanently unemployable, or you just get killed. That arthoe tattles you to the state and the state eliminates you.

That just makes you sound like a coward.

[Anonymous No.22282972]

>>22281115
I can see how you feel, but Im guessing the reason why your country of origin is like that is by colonization in the past or explotation of some kind

[Anonymous No.22282989]

ITT: chudcel pissbabies

[Anonymous No.22283005]

cringe dude

[Anonymous No.22283007]

>>22275150
>>22281036
nice larp but this real life not the digital world

[Anonymous No.22283010]

>>22280458
>Depicts a utopia
???

[Anonymous No.22283013]

>>22279844
>>22279931
>>22275404
I say this as a foreigner that browses an US website
>American education

[Anonymous No.22283016]

>>22279821
Almost as if all kingdoms sell their own citizens as slaves under their territory.

[Anonymous No.22283559]

>>22275817

[Anonymous No.22283566]

>>22283559

[Anonymous No.22283572]

>>22283559
There is no civility under the colony itself only lawlessness and corruption that spread like filth.
Order only exists under the controllers themselves and the order itself is force down to the natives.
God
Glory
Gold

[Anonymous No.22283582]

>>22283572
Colonialism brought education and the gospel to much of the world, as well as getting rid of barbaric practices like human sacrifice and widow burning to name two. You're just a libtard who doesn't know any history.

[Anonymous No.22283661]

>>22283582
Not the same, anon. But holy fuck you dont know history if you think ritual sacrficing is the worst thing a group of people can do. If you think ritual deaths are a good reason to colonize and exploit, then you clearly dont give a shit about evil practices in general. You're just a biased white freak, so dont take some bullshit moral angle. The shit Belgiums did to people who live in the congo, for example, makes every terrible human ritual look like sunshine and rainbows

[Anonymous No.22283678]

>>22283661
You're just a racist hypocrite liar.

I bet you sacrifice your own kids all the time, don't you? Baby killer.

[Anonymous No.22283705]

>>22275174
>all the colonies in Africa were highly unprofitable and failed enterpises

Ah yes, of course, they were all there for hundreds of years just out of the goodness of their hearts, trying to bring civilization to the savages.

[Anonymous No.22283772]

>>22283678
Shit way to change subject. Liar and hypocrite about what, chud? If you want to condemn killing of any sort especially kids/babies than you would know to shut your fat fucking mouth about colonization being good if you knew any history. Likes its insanely idiotic to call a guy a dumbass libtard who doesnt know history, when you clearly dont know any, you probably only read or hear history from dumbass republicans trying to sell you faulty dick pills 24/7. Either that or you clearly have cognitive dissonance so bad its making you even more retarded than you were before

[Anonymous No.22283795]

>>22283772
Colonization ended barbaric practices, you won't even admit that because you've been indoctrinated to think it was all evil 100% of the time because you are demoralized and brainwashed. Just look at all the nonsense you spout, even going off to rant about "le republicans".

You can't even keep from vulgarity because profanity is the strongest language of a weak mind.

[Anonymous No.22283798]

>>22283582
Human sacrifice were replace by the death penalty what is the total difference if death is the end?

[Anonymous No.22283809]

>>22275174
So unprofitable to the point that their artifacts that are quote unquote borrow have the economic value of pricelessness.
There were colonies that were strippen of its resources and land that are forcibly use to farm a single crop.

[Anonymous No.22283814]

>>22283795
The brits manage to take half of the world with aggressive tactics and greedy practices so tell me what is the definition of barbaric?

[Anonymous No.22283865]

>>22283661
>The shit Belgiums did to people who live in the congo
not our fault those stupid niggers wouldn't listen to reason. When the Belgians left, they went right back to machete-ing infants to cure syphilis and whatever other dumb shit they were up to.

[Anonymous No.22283966]

>>22281039
>Why you think the police wouldn't just kill you for no reason when we are ruled by evil billionaire child eating satanist Elites is beyond me
beyond your IQ level indeed

[Anonymous No.22283972]

>>22281387
>In Britain, France or Germany you will go to jail if you say colonialism had some positive aspects
You are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.22283973]

>>22283814
Murdering infants

[Anonymous No.22283978]

>>22283661
>The shit Belgiums did to people who live in the congo,

You mean the shit the congolese did to each other

[Anonymous No.22284390]

>>22282972
Kazakhstan is a weird place with a far more diverse history than is given credit for. On one hand yes it's a place that has and is clearly exploited for its natural resources, and on the other was the region that housed some of the greatest exploiters in history.
My point was addressing that there are, to me some benefits to colonization that aren't just all about Africa and the perspective I lived

[Anonymous No.22284542]

>>22280415
This. It’s about conquest by an outside force that inverts what it means to be virtuous in your own society and makes those you always held to be degenerate or effeminate into paragons of virtue. Things Fall Apart has strong Nietzschean undercurrents desu

[Anonymous No.22284673]

>>22283972
A 19 year old in Britain got sentenced under hate crime laws for posting rap lyrics on her instead. You can shitpost on Twitter, type colonialism is good actually, and get arrested for hate speach and inciting violence, as the law there states posting anything that's "grossly offensive " is illegal. You might only get a fine of a few hundred pounds, or you might get sentenced to community service, house arrest or actual jail time.

[Anonymous No.22284674]

>>22284673
*on her Instagram

[Anonymous No.22284699]

>>22275404
Yeah, it's hilarious how marxists swallow their own koolaid and think of thirdie chuds as brothers simply because their interests happen to be aligned right now.

The islamists western marxists are so keen on defending will kill them all when they seize power. The BLM negroes have more in common with SA brownshirts than they do with college liberals.

[Anonymous No.22284714]

>>22280701
>*freezes your bank account for attending a protest*
No refunds

[Anonymous No.22284715]

>>22284673
>posting anything that's "grossly offensive " is illegal.
Offensive to who though? I'm sure certain groups find it grossly offensive to have their crimes exposed

[Anonymous No.22284778]

>>22283972
You are a delusional leftist who gets it's idea of the world from TV conglomerates.

[Anonymous No.22284805]

how can anyone with a working brain try to justify colonization? are people that ashamed of their history that they'd rather pretend like colonization was some charity case than admit that it was horrendous?

[Anonymous No.22284825]

>>22284805
It did work, but it can't work because of racial problems

[Anonymous No.22284827]

>>22284715
Why to the state of course. The benevolent and flawless state will decide what is "grossly offensive " and what isn't based on their interpretation of the legal code. Don't even consider that this vague language can be abused by the state to punish dissent and enforce their dogma on people, that will never happen.

[Anonymous No.22284835]

>>22284805
I'm sorry but the human sacrifices will have to stop. It's stupid to lambast westerners for colonization when every nation on the planet conquered other people's land and settled it displacing the original inhabitants, or assimilating them by force. Pathological self flagellation is not good for the nation, and realistically I'd rather live in a nation that promotes a noble lie to its populace to keep moral up, then a place that constantly teaches its populace how evil they are. And I say that as a non westerner.

[Anonymous No.22284863]

>>22283973
Well clearly not because barbaric and infanticide are not commonly used synonymously. Although one does incorporate the other.

[Anonymous No.22284893]

>>22284827
Sounds like a blasphemy law.

[Anonymous No.22284897]

>>22284835
>nation
A nation are a people and their culture, you're describing a state.

[Anonymous No.22285452]

>>22284805
>re people that ashamed of their history that they'd rather pretend like colonization was some charity case than admit that it was horrendous?
there many several former colonies who are very proud of the colonial era, specifically how they managed to learn and improve upon what they were taught/given by colonizers (and they're quite explicit about this). The one I have in mind is Signapore. They make fun of Africa for letting all the railroad infrastructure go to shit.

[Anonymous No.22285531]

>>22275413
Eh the bible doesn't explicitly forbid polygyny even though Paul strongly recommends monogamy

[Anonymous No.22285865]

>>22283814
The Brits mostly used money, perfidy and cunning. They were like Jews who used armies as a backup plan.

[Anonymous No.22286225]

>>22284805
You should know by now that 99% of this board is either retarded or so deep in delusion they perceive 100% evil actions and thoughts as an unquestionable good

[Anonymous No.22286422]

>>22286225
source?

[Anonymous No.22286439]

>>22286422
The chuds in this thread and any thread that gets into /pol/

[Anonymous No.22286443]

>>22286439
no i need a peer-reviewed source

[Anonymous No.22286477]

you can't beat nignogs

[Anonymous No.22286912]

>>22286443
Well, Im part of the /lit/ community, and so is everyone else here, which makes us peers. So when I say most people are retarded assholes from my own personal source. You can try and find out if you think my claim is justfied

[Anonymous No.22287011]

>>22286912
no, sweatie, that's cute, but Ima need one from an accredited institution

[Anonymous No.22287172]

>>22283016
>Almost as if all
pic rel
Irrelevant anyway. Colonialists put a stop to that. Remember the "crimes" of the Belgian Congo were revisionist propaganda and a repackaging of the crimes committed by local authorities.

[Anonymous No.22287541]

>>22278910

The idea is to elevate the lesser peoples to the same heights as whites, but in their own nations. Of course that's impossible for incompetent browns so they all just want to run to white people countries to act as human locusts.

[Anonymous No.22287764]

>>22277300
This is actually true. The colonialism supporters were fundamentally no different than NAFO neolibs spreading lgbtq and Our Democracy (TM) to Afghanistan