/clg/ - Classical Languages General

[Anonymous No.22267360]

Seleucid edition

>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>22228086

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

Feel free to write your thoughts/stories/etc... in your target language.

[Anonymous No.22267405]

הראשון ללשון הקדש

[Anonymous No.22267438]

Any goode bookes on the Hittite tongue?

[Anonymous No.22267461]

Is anyone here at a point where they are fluently reading (and understanding) the Vulgate? If so how did you get to that point?

[Anonymous No.22267463]

https://repository.wellesley.edu/islandora/object/ir%3A211/datastream/PDF/download
Being a native French speaker is suffering

[Anonymous No.22267712]

>>22264228
that sounds completely retarded, can't tell if it's his w*st*rn accent or archaic greek really sounded that autistic

[Anonymous No.22267738]

>>22267461
It doesn't take too long. The Vulgate is quite straight-forward as far as Latin literature goes. Just keep reading it, it re-uses a lot of expressions. I think the same applies for the Septuagint.

[Anonymous No.22267762]

What's the point of learning Greek if your accent will make it sound retarded forever?
Spaniards excluded

[Anonymous No.22267784]

>>22267712
his voice isn't amazing but as far as meter and sounds produced he's pretty spot on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvVWiDsPWQ&t=56s is also good in terms of sounds, though not as much sing-songy

[Anonymous No.22267811]

>>22267360
>img.
GOOD ON YOU LEGIONARY, NOW STAB HIS HORSE AND STAB HIM IN THE CUNT AND STAB HIM IN THE BACK AND STAB HIS HORSE AND AND BRING ME HIS COCK
Cato

[Anonymous No.22267836]

>>22267784
Yes that sounds much better. However it's still not very accurate
The reason for this is that when human speak, they generally minimize movement, especially when speaking fast they sound more flat. Reconstructed accents on the other hand emphasize it so they're never accurate
Or maybe he does it for dramatic effect idk

[Anonymous No.22267838]

>>22267784
>>22267836
btw as far as singsongery goes it's better than the first. There are several greek traditional singing styles with this type of "spoken" singing

[Anonymous No.22268353]

Call me a brainlet but I can't wrap my head around Latin scansion. There's conflicting information everywhere.

Some sources claim that any closed syllable is, by definition, heavy. Others claim that a syllable needs to be followed by at least two consonants to be heavy. Which one is it?

I understand the rule about syllable division being relatively free whenever a plosive is followed by a liquid (as in pat-ris, pa-tris). What I don't understand, however, is how to divide syllables whenever a consonant is between two vowels. Vox Latina claims it belongs to the next syllable (e.g. pe-cus, pō-tus), but https://hands-up-education.org/aplatinscan/aen1/index.html has "rēg|īna", "memor|ā", etc. Very confusing.

[Anonymous No.22268527]

>>22267438
A Reference Grammar of the Hittite Language (Hoffner and Melchert)

[Anonymous No.22268805]

>>22267360
Am I supposed to read the grammar rules first before trying to translate the stories at the beginning of Athenaze's chapters? Does it matter? Also, why is the Italian Athenaze considered so much better than the English - is it just the pictures giving context?
Learning Spanish and Ancient Greek at the same time is like night and day. I can basically turn my eyes off while working on Spanish, but it took me probably 20 minutes to just try and translate in my head the Dicaepolis story.

[Anonymous No.22268968]

>>22268805
Read the introduction to Athenaze. You're supposed to jump into a new chapter without understanding the new grammatical concept. I personally disagree with this method but that's how the textbook was designed.
As for the Italian edition, the margin notes provide some help but what's really great about it are the extended chapters. The two volumes of the English edition have roughly 3000 lines of Greek while the Italian edition has about 8000. The Greek written for the Italian edition also tends to be a bit more challenging preparing you better for authentic texts. I'd recommend getting it as a graded reader after you have worked your way through the English edition.

[Anonymous No.22269428]

>>22268353
> Which one is it?
A closed syllable is always heavy, as long as elision is taken into account to decide whether it's closed. So "factam eam" at the end of a verse are really the three syllables "fac" (closed, heavy) and "t'e" (open, short vowel, thus light) and "am" (closed, heavy).

> how to divide syllables whenever a consonant is between two vowels
In general, as many consonants as possible go with the latter syllable. If the resulting syllable doesn't seem Latin (say, you've never seen it at the start of a word), you went too far. So, dividing "inter" into "in" and "ter" is correct, but "i" and "nter" is not, because "nter" on its own is foreign to the phonology of Latin.
I'm sure Vox Latin can explain this better than I can, and with proper linguistic terminology.

Not sure what's happening in the link you posted. I would just ignore that site and go with https://hypotactic.com/latin/index.html?Use_Id=aen1 instead.

[Anonymous No.22269543]

>>22268968
>I'd recommend getting it as a graded reader after you have worked your way through the English edition.
Everyone recommends Italian Athenaze, but nobody says where or how you can find it.

[Anonymous No.22269596]

>>22269543
mega in OP

[Anonymous No.22269624]

>>22269596
I meant to buy a physical copy. I spend enough time on screens all day long.

[Anonymous No.22269632]

>>22269624
Title is
>Athenaze. Introduzione al greco antico
I found several for sale with a quick search. Now that you're spoonfed hopefully you will too but I have my doubts

[Anonymous No.22269640]

>>22269632
I live in the United States and it's not on Amazon or eBay here, but thanks for the condescension as if I didn't Google "Italian Athenaze" before asking in the thread.

[Anonymous No.22269663]

>>22269640
>it's not on Amazon or eBay here
Well then, I guess it doesn't exist anywhere at all. There is nowhere else to purchase things on the internet besides American Amazon and eBay. Certainly you should not make any effort to look for it in, say, its country of origin, because that would make no sense and be ultimately fruitless, as would searching for it under its Italian title instead of "Italian Athenaze".
>condescension
Justified as even with the full title you could not manage to find pic related. Don't bother replying defensively, everyone can see exactly how this all played out.
Ask me how I know you are a dumb computer illiterate zoomer

[Anonymous No.22269670]

>>22269663
You live in Japan faggot, I don't. They are not shipping to the US. I used the right title and the Italian Amazon.

[Anonymous No.22269694]

>>22269670
All the tools to succeed, and you still can't use them.
I anticipated your idiocy and showed a pic with not one but three different sites all offering Italian Athenaze. Somehow your over-medicated zoomer brain is unable to perceive anything other than Approved Corporate Slop™ and completely blanked the other two sites.
This time big red circles are around the important portions, unfortunately for you I did not make a tiktok video of it combined with ASMR and a mobile coin game so you may struggle to understand what is going on in pic related.
Note that the first pic was of the first three sellers, I scrolled by dozens more. Strange how you are unable or unwilling to go anywhere besides Amazon and eBay

[Anonymous No.22269700]

>>22269663
>>22269694
>zoomer
>zoom zoom
>ok zoomer
>he do da zoom!
>gen z lel
>zooma drinka da skooma!
>le zoom de la catre
>zoomaroni and zeeze
>zoom in zoom out
>this triggers the zoomer
>i no zoom, i big boi

[Anonymous No.22269710]

>>22269700
Stay mad
Pic Related - oops. No more assistance from me, good luck overmedicated-from-birth bro

[Anonymous No.22269746]

bros I have been slacking on my Wheelock's course by reading books.

[Anonymous No.22269816]

>Ergo necesse est te ipsum res tuas portare
>Ego gaudeo quod mihi necesse non est servum mecum habere
Does the dative "mihi" mean "habere" is the subject of the dependent clause in the second sentence?
Literally, "Therefore it is necessary you yourself carry your stuff" vs "I rejoice that having a servant with me is not necessary for me"?

[Anonymous No.22269885]

>>22269816
not really the subject in a grammatical sense, more like they are slightly different constructions, one, the first, without the dative indicating to whom there is a necessity/obligation
you could maybe give them a somewhat different nuance, like "Ergo necesse est te ipsum res tuas portare" = Therefore it's inevitable that you bringing your stuff yourself", with the whole infinitive phrase including the subject(te ipsum)
whereas the second one indicates specifically an obligation/necessity to someone/alicui, or in this case, negates it, therefore the subject is implicit(me ipsum)

[Anonymous No.22270236]

>>22267762
You learn (ancient) Greek to read (ancient) Greek texts, not to converse with Gr**k «««people»»».

[Anonymous No.22270302]

>>22269428
Thank you very much, that is very helpful.

[Anonymous No.22270329]

I want to conduct a quick survey.
Please reply to this post with the following:

>The classical language you are learning
>The one text that upon reading made you think "yup, learning this language might have been a pain in the ass, but it was all worth it"

[Anonymous No.22270380]

>doing nofap
>ancient greek textbook has coomerbait
oh my lord...

[Anonymous No.22270389]

>>22267762
Do you mean modern Greek? It's not hard to get a half-decent pronunciation. Work through le grec moderne sans peine / il greco moderno senza sforzo while shadowing the audio.

[Anonymous No.22270550]

I do not fucking understand language learning or the human brain. I tried reading something in Portuguese 4 months ago, got filtered hard, and gave up. Now I come back with no practice in the meantime and it's like I studied hard for a year, I am reading it almost at a native level. Am I a language saiyan?

[Anonymous No.22270562]

>>22270550
>I do not fucking understand language learning or the human brain. I tried reading something in Portuguese 4 months ago, got filtered hard, and gave up. Now I come back with no practice in the meantime and it's like I studied hard for a year, I am reading it almost at a native level. Am I a language saiyan?
What does this have to do with classical languages?

[Anonymous No.22270581]

>>22270329
Latin & Greek, worth it I guess, there's not much to look forward these days anyway; I may very well be the first in my family for who knows how far back to have read the Iliad and Aeneid in the original

[Anonymous No.22270602]

>>22270562
Everything.

>>22270329
Latin and Greek
>Greek
Any philosophical or theological text whatsoever, since without knowing the exact terms they are using you can't recover their actual concepts and worldview
>Latin
Medieval and early modern Latin that is so easy to read if you just know even halfway decent Latin I felt like a bitch for not knowing it

[Anonymous No.22270616]

>>22270602
> Medieval and early modern Latin
Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.22270639]

>>22270380
You will be tempted in many ways, from angles you would not have suspected.
>>22270329
Ancient Greek
Dicaeopolis
>>22268968
Thanks. I read the introduction but it wasn't very clear on this point. I'll try reading through and understanding in my head, then going through the grammar rules and translating on paper.

[Anonymous No.22270761]

What's the most beautiful Latin sentence/expression you ever stumbled on? I'm a beginner and still on honeymoon with the language so even fun preposition+prefix repetitions you don't often see in English seem neat.

[Anonymous No.22271099]

>>22270761
hard to say but
>et facere et pati fortia Romanum est

[Anonymous No.22271612]

Can someone please explain this "nisi si" construction in Ovid?

[Anonymous No.22271758]

>>22271612
si ni id

[Anonymous No.22271761]

>>22271612
the nisi clearly seems to follow tamen i.e "BUT what is my fault? UNLESS ...."
the second nisi though I think is added mostly for metric + effect/form, the meaning being the same, that is, something like "unless you can call a fault to have played or equally(et) to have loved"

[Anonymous No.22271784]

Can someone please rate my first Dikaiopolis translation? Am I changing the word order up too much? Ancient Greek doesn't rely on word order but English does, so I thought it's warranted to an extent. There isn't fool proof reasoning to it though, since I don't have a great grasp of grammatical structures. Tell me where I messed up or if I'm taking too many liberties. I'm also confused on the use of δε. Here it is:

Dikaiopolis is Athenian, but (δε?) Dikaiopolis lives not in Athens but in the country, for he is a farmer. So he cultivates his farm and he works in the country. But it is a hard life, for the farm is small, and the work is long. So always he works, Dikaiopolis, and often he groans and says, "O Zeus, this (the, his?) life is hard, for the work is endless, but the farm is small and it provides not much grain." But the man is strong and energetic, so often he rejoices, for he is free and a farmer, he loves but (δε again?) his life. For his farm is beautiful and provides not much food but enough.

I translate δε as "but", but it usually doesn't seem to fit. Sometimes I retain the structure and sometimes I don't. Additionally, I occasionally added in punctuation, like in sentence 4 around Dikaiopolis.

[Anonymous No.22271821]

>>22271784
mostly good translation, small error in φιλεῖ δὲ τὸν οἶκον(home not life)
δέ is like parsley in the Greek language, you know it's there but you don't really taste it specifically, i.e, most of the times it goes untranslated but you know it did something to the phrase
"but" in your example works well in the first case, it contrasts something said right before it i.e being Athenian but/although.....; in the second it's the same, though in english "but" here doesn't fit well, you could say "so, often he rejoices, for he is free and a farmer; he does(δὲ) love his home"

[Anonymous No.22271833]

>>22271761
Thanks

[Anonymous No.22272039]

>>22271821
Okay thanks, I appreciate it. I confused oikei for o oikos in that first bit. I'll start thinking of δὲ as more of a contrast emphasis than literally "but".

[Anonymous No.22272093]

>>22270329
Latin and Greek
Still hoping to find one.

[Anonymous No.22272198]

Anyone here have an knowledge of Classical Gaelic and/or Old Irish? Any book recommendations? GRMA in advance although I don't expect many Gaeilgeoirí here

[Anonymous No.22272258]

>>22272198
I tried learning Welsh: failed
Tried learning Irish: failed
I've learned 7 languages, but those ones are fucked, mainly because the resources are absolute dogwater. I'm done with Celtic langs.

[Anonymous No.22272325]

>>22271784
>>22271821
I don't really know much about Greek at all but according to wiktionary one of the meanings of δὲ is essentially "emphatic particle", it just confers emphasis in various situations. Now that I think about it, I bet it maps pretty much 1:1 (excluding its use as an actual conjunction) to the Russian жe, which is the same type of purely emphatic particle.

[Anonymous No.22272357]

>>22269663
This is a redditor tier response

[Anonymous No.22272372]

>>22267360
I really want to delve into the historical context of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. I also want to know the general world that these texts come from. I'm not sure what to learn beyond Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. Would Middle Egyptian be as useful? Hittite, Ugaritic, anything else of major use?

[Anonymous No.22272378]

What does /clg/ think of Loebs?

[Anonymous No.22272686]

>>22272378
they're good

[Anonymous No.22273048]

>>22272258
Yeah, the only way to learn Irish in my experience is by talking to native speakers. So much about the language has simply not been written down, and the resources surrounding the language tend to focus on the dogshit school curriculum which is designed by the usual low-IQ mongoloids one has come to expect to encounter in pedagogy.

[Anonymous No.22273172]

Curious as I am learning Latin, how long did it take you guys to understand it enough to be able to read texts?

[Anonymous No.22273489]

>>22273172
Why do you noobs keep asking that? It'll take however long it must take.

[Anonymous No.22273548]

>>22269885
Dative with necesse is a more oblique construction, compare the English difference between 'it's necessary that I go to work' and 'it's necessary for me to go to work'. Pretty much the same thing though

>>22270329
Latin, Ancient Greek
From the first time I read Cicero and saw how genius his style was

>>22272378
Good textual editions, translations aren't literal enough for my liking. I feel like if someone wanted a stylistic translation, they wouldn't be buying a bilingual, and rather Loebs should try to make the side-by-sides be more direct to each other

[Anonymous No.22273558]

>>22272258
>I tried learning Welsh: failed
>mainly because the resources are absolute dogwater. I'm done with Celtic langs.
You basically have to understand that the resources are designed for monolingual buck broken Celts who aren't very motivated about the language other than a general cultural curiosity to glance at it as an artifact. The Teach Yourself Welsh book from the 1960s (yellow cover) is an actual serious book. I bought so many garbage books before I finally got that one. Just buy older stuff and you should be ok. Can't speak to Classical Gaelic though, but what >>22273048 says checks out.

>>22273489
>Why do you noobs keep asking that? It'll take however long it must take.
It's one person and he's not a noob. Whenever the conversation gets actually productive, he magically shows up to repost his copypasta to prevent actual discussions. Just ignore him.

[Anonymous No.22273933]

I get the idea that θεός comes from basically the same root as τίθημι, aka θέ from PIE dʰéh1- which has the broad meaning of do/put, but when supposedly already in the PIE phase one adds the *s to form a noun from it, does dʰéh1s means literally "the one placing/doing" or "that which is placed" or what?

[Anonymous No.22273971]

How bad of an idea would it be to learn Ancient and Modern Greek at the same time? I have a decent foundation in Ancient in grammar and vocab and can read the Bible and Xenophon somewhat well, but I am certainly still a novice and now I may have an opportunity to spend some time in Greece next year. Would adding Modern into the mix just complicate things and confuse me?

[Anonymous No.22274000]

I'm really torn on whether to do (mandatory) archaeology or linguistics as part of my classics degree next year

I just want to read my texts...so part of me thinks doing linguistics might be good. But another part of me thinks I would have to have some archaeological knowledge to be taken seriously when doing historical texts like Thucydides and discussing it with supporting evidence.

[Anonymous No.22274041]

>>22273971
>and can read the Bible and Xenophon somewhat well
You are fine, go ahead and start modern. Might be a good idea to find a book for Medieval Byzantine Greek to smoothen the transition and keep you interested.

[Anonymous No.22274057]

>>22273971
The further I get into these things the more I realize that what is best on paper is just a guideline as long as the person doing it is diligent (or autistic). What's the worst case scenario, you slow down or mess up your Attic learning a little bit? What are the real practical effects of that? It's not like you can permanently fuck anything up here. Is it worth missing out on a potentially life changing trip to Greece, on the other hand?

The only way I'd say yes myself is if I had some huge test I could potentially fail, like a comprehensive exam, and I wanted to dedicate all my mental energy for the year to grinding Attic.

[Anonymous No.22274059]

>>22274000
>I just want to read my texts
Linguistics

[Anonymous No.22274131]

>>22273558
>The Teach Yourself Welsh book from the 1960s (yellow cover) is an actual serious book.
I actually tried that one. That's definitely the only way to learn Welsh. But I do think a book like that requires 30-45 minutes a day, whereas I was putting in 15, hence my failure.
>>22273971
No, they only serve the compliment each other. You won't get confused. I do an hour of each everyday and I can even keep my reconstructed Attic pronunciation separate from my modern Greek pronunciation. But if you want to learn modern Greek, I really hope you know at least French, German or Italian; otherwise you won't get access to the Assimil course and modern Greek becomes much more difficult. And if you actually want to have survival level Greek by this time next year, you're going to have to study it 45 minutes a day.

[Anonymous No.22274138]

>>22274000
I've noticed that it's mostly HOI4 people/reddit romaboos and such in the archaelogy tracks, since they get filtered by latin and greek. Take that for what you will.

[Anonymous No.22274154]

>>22274131
>I really hope you know at least French
What's the best way to learn French for reading resources to learn classical languages? /lang/ says to just use Duolingo and watch YouTube which sounds stupid.

[Anonymous No.22274191]

>>22274154
French for Reading - Karl C. Sandberg

[Anonymous No.22274217]

>>22274191
This. Also, French with ease from Assimil.

[Anonymous No.22274886]

>>22274217
I‘ve seen the old Assimil course being recommend over the new one.

[Anonymous No.22275779]

>>22274886
The old one packs more material in.
The new one reinforces material better, and so does a better job of making itself comprehensible at each stage.
Both are excellent with consistency, a genuine interest in the language, and a desire to move beyond the textbook stage as fast as possible. Without those things, both are nigh useless.

To be honest, given the outcomes I observe in these threads, I think most of you would be best off enrolling in an old-fashioned language course. Autodidacticism truly isn't for everybody, and even those it suits can't be autodidacts on every subject. Coming out of one's shell and taking such a class might be good for those here for other reasons too. L'alliance française is often very good. I am near certain it would be superior to any textbook for the majority of people here.

T. acquired french during late childhood and taught it to my girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.22275791]

>>22274886
The older ones are more serious and less streamlined, so they're better

[Anonymous No.22275827]

>>22275791
The new one has a second volume that the old ones didn't. Take your pick.
Honestly, if you haven't graduated into authentic French by the latter chapters of either, it probably isn't the textbook that's lacking in seriousness.
Both are strictly tools for developing phonetic/phonemic awareness, teaching set phrases, and building a small core vocabulary. Both are equally serviceable for that end.

[Anonymous No.22276121]

So after 3 months of studying Latin, I've finished both Wheelock and Familia Romana, and I have a question.
I've noticed that I can read serious poetry like Ovid or Virgil, with a lot of effort owing mainly to hyperbaton and unknown words, but I can still do it. Would it be more judicious for me to keep reading Orberg, or to move on to real literature?

[Anonymous No.22276131]

>>22272325
>жe
not quite apparently the direct cognate would be γε, which is indeed quintessentially emphatic and enclitic unlike δέ(there's also an enclitic δε but it's different)
LSJ is more complete

[Anonymous No.22276142]

>>22276121
real literature

[Anonymous No.22276298]

>>22267360
I want to study Mycenaean and Homeric Greek dialects. What books should I look for?

[Anonymous No.22276310]

>>22276121
The answer with classical languages is always real literature, early and often. What else are you learning them for?
Exercises may still prove useful when you run into gaps in your capabilities. I still use my old readers for some easy drills and after setting aside my books for too long. To this end I suggest journaling your progress.

[Anonymous No.22277258]

>>22276121
>Wheelock and Familia Romana in 3 months
how many hours per day is this

[Anonymous No.22277268]

Just got through adding a number of sentences from Athenaze chapter 3 to my Anki deck. I'm on cloud nine, I feel like this is all super simple and I'll be reading Aristophanes in no time at all. I've been dipping my toes in the New Testament for simpler sentences to toss into Anki like Matthew 3:17.
When in this book should I expect the first horrible spike in difficulty to hit? I know it's gonna hurt.

[Anonymous No.22277352]

>>22267360
Declensions are not real. There is no proof in the mind of a roman they actually made these distinctions, I don't believe it.

[Anonymous No.22277362]

>>22277352
english first language?

[Anonymous No.22277374]

>>22277352
I don't see the purpose of this post.

[Anonymous No.22277397]

>>22277374
How do we know for example that they truly distinguished between ablative v.s dative when often these two are in appearance identical?

[Anonymous No.22277401]

I want to learn Latin to read these texts

Vulgate
Augustine
Thomas Aquinas
John Calvin

What's the best way to study? Take the Vulgate and read with a dictionary?

I also have access to textbooks and materials in Russian (some are pretty good), but to be honest, I don’t like studying grammar. Does the comprehensive input method work with Latin?

[Anonymous No.22277405]

>>22277401
I should add that I listen to these guys a lot and understand 30-50% of what is said.

https://www.youtube.com/@litteraechristianae/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@AlexiusCosanus/videos

Are there more channels like this?

[Anonymous No.22277406]

>>22277397
Because they're not always identical, and have different uses even when they are. That's similar to saying English doesn't distinguish the past participle from the past tense because many verbs have the same form for both.

[Anonymous No.22277409]

>>22277352
>kb enters the chat
Grammar is just a model, an attempt at systematizing language. And yeah, your average rustic pleb probably wasn't conscious of declensions or cases or conjugations but that doesn't mean we can't map patterns to his verbal intuitions.

[Anonymous No.22277456]

>>22277397
philologists usually know more than one language which gives them the tools to break the grammar down this way

[Anonymous No.22277466]

>>22277268
This isn't a video game. You can get reading Aristophanes today with a gloss and if you are more interested in him than Athenaze it will probably be a better use of your time. I memorized the full first canto of Eugene Onegin in Russian before I read a single textbook.
That said, chapter 8 or so.

[Anonymous No.22277475]

>>22277456
>philologists usually know more than one language
Very much unlike 90% of this thread

[Anonymous No.22277480]

>>22277466
It's not reading if you don't understand 99% of the text

[Anonymous No.22277500]

>>22277405
Satura Lanx
In Foro Romano
Radio Vaticana

[Anonymous No.22277718]

Urbs Romensis

[Anonymous No.22277725]

>>22277480
Name, then, an authentic classical text that you have read on the first try. No Gallic War, Vulgate, NT, or Anabasis, since those are hardly representative.
I agree with you that consulting a gloss repeatedly is not reading. For us moderns, it's however a necessary evil.
Any well-read dabbler in classical philology will tell you that every author must be befriended on an individual basis before one approaches any comfort in reading them. This gets easier, but never stops.
Therefore, if you intend to take your studies any distance, I'd suggest diving in early and often. You don't have to swim like a shark, but you should learn to paddle.

[Anonymous No.22277818]

>>22277466
Thanks, I'll keep going with Athenaze but I'll try diving in to proper texts as well. I said Aristophanes since I liked his stuff the most in that one Ancient Comedy elective I took, but I wonder if Euripides or other tragedians would be easier.
>That said, chapter 8 or so.
What is it about chapter 8 that's so rough?

[Anonymous No.22277970]

literally me

[Anonymous No.22277987]

>As a verbal noun, the gerund may take the case construction required by its verb
>In actual practice, however, when the gerund would take a noun in the accusative as a direct object, the Romans preferred to put this noun in the case in which the gerund would otherwise appear and to use instead a gerundive in agreement with the noun.

Then why the hell does the accusative gerund exist if Romans just used the gerundive in its place?

[Anonymous No.22278028]

>>22277987
The Romans simply found it ugly to use the accusative gerund if it didn't agree with its object.
Honestly though, no need to trouble yourself over the difference between "ad lacrimas flendas" ("gerundive") and "ad lacrimas flendum" (gerund). They are the same thing and you will virtually never encounter the latter construction in your reading.

[Anonymous No.22278043]

Name a better feeling than reading a page of Greek and understanding it all

[Anonymous No.22278750]

>>22277500
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.22278805]

>>22276131
Yea I was probably just thinking of the enclitic version, like I said I know basically nothing beyond looking at a few texts. I just go on Perseus and go through things word by word with no instruction like a truly based retard.

>>22277466
King.

[Anonymous No.22278912]

>>22276298
Mycenaean will require you to learn Linear B. Most Classicists resent it, but I'm deeply intrigued by it. I also happen to be open-minded and also a Semiticist. You'll probably hate it.
If you want to learn Homeric after Attic, get Homer: A Transitional Reader. I also found Anthon's digamma book to be interesting and helpful. Anthon is deeply important to American study of the Classics.

[Anonymous No.22278919]

>>22278043
Speedballing while getting a blow job.

[Anonymous No.22279097]

How do you polygloids keep your brain energy up while studying? It gets insurmountably fatiguing building vocab for more than an hour

[Anonymous No.22279104]

>>22279097
I never do any actual work, I just read things I want to read and fail ever upward

[Anonymous No.22279106]

>>22279104
did you start failing with children's books in your target language?

[Anonymous No.22279135]

>>22279097
The more you do it, the less fatiguing it gets, like anything under the sun

[Anonymous No.22279138]

Is this good latin?

[Anonymous No.22279166]

>>22279138
looks fine

[Anonymous No.22279268]

Why is no one sponsoring Latin dubbing of films about the Middle Ages and the Antiquity?

[Anonymous No.22279303]

Please upload this to Libgen

Merkle, Plummer - Beginning with New Testament Greek

[Anonymous No.22279399]

I’ve learned Mandarin to a medium intermediate level and I’ve noticed there are references to Classical Chinese all over in songs and common sayings, etc. so I chose to learn Classical Chinese as well. Since I know all the characters already it makes it easy to read, so I can focus on grammar and syntax. The great thing about Classical Chinese (and Modern for the most part) is there is almost zero morphology in any part of speech, including verb conjugation. I learned up to Ch. 15 of Genesis in the Vulgate and I like it, but in the beginning learning all those paradigms almost made me quit. There is none of that in CC, but its absence leaves texts with ambiguity—this is the trade-off. I wish more people studied it, including Chinese people. It seems they only learn what is required in their school curriculum and after high school data dump all of it. It could be used as an Asian auxiliary language if they standardized it and simplified the vocab, but I doubt it will ever be popular again…

[Anonymous No.22279407]

Where do I start with ancient Greek?

[Anonymous No.22279512]

>>22279399
The ambiguity can get a bit crazy imo but maybe I'm just dumb - I would imagine readings were largely guided/streamlined by convention, though.

[Anonymous No.22279562]

>>22279512
Not just morphological ambiguity but the dropping of pronouns, subjects, ect. It gets crazy

[Anonymous No.22279619]

>>22279562
Japanese drops pronouns and subjects too. And the standard pronoun for you, 貴方, is almost only used in music.

[Anonymous No.22279643]

>>22279619
CC relies on context in a huge way, the same as Japanese. I think to a higher degree though.

[Anonymous No.22279652]

>>22279407
get any good old grammar book on Attic Greek and stick to it or try the Athenaze route

[Anonymous No.22279837]

>>22279268
>sponsoring
Why would anyone 'sponsor' such a niche interest?
If you want to see it done, do it yourself. If there is sufficient interest for it to be sponsored you will make a bundle. Spoiler: there won't be.

[Anonymous No.22280238]

Any sanskrit fags around? Was thinking about taking it up.

[Anonymous No.22280257]

>>22271784
New translation I did, Dikaiopolis B. Please rate/correct if you have the time. I labelled my respective questions about parts with numbers:

Dikaiopolis works in the field, for he is digging his field. Long is the work, and difficult. For he carries the stones out of the field. Big stone (1.) he lifts and carries to the stone heap. He is a strong man, but for a long time he works, and he is very tired. For the sun is blazing and wears him out. He sits, then, under the tree and he rests for not a long time (2.). For soon he gets up and he works. But finally the sun sets. So he works no longer, Dikaiopolis, but to his home he walks.

1. It seems like, from the earlier translation it gives me of "the stones", this translation as "Big stone" makes sense. However, it seems really awkward in the sentence and I'm not sure how to fit it right. There's also no definite article so I didn't feel comfortable saying "He lifts the big stone and..." The text hasn't taught plurality yet so maybe I'm just not aware of some grammatical effect here.
2. I think this is correct, but "for not a long time" sounds awkward. I wasn't sure, though, if it'd be too much to change to "for not very long".

[Anonymous No.22280279]

>>22280257
1. A big stone
2. for a little while/bit

[Anonymous No.22280284]

>>22280279
thank you

[Anonymous No.22280300]

Think I might start reading Ovid's Metamorphoses, can you guys recommend me your favourite edition?

[Anonymous No.22280986]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22281299]

>>22280238
Do not call people names. This is a safe space for language learners.

[Anonymous No.22281329]

>>22281299
But not a safe space for faggots <3

[Anonymous No.22281357]

>>22281329
I am not afraid of bullies.

[Anonymous No.22281431]

>>22279619
>貴方, is almost only used in music.
I think I understand what you're saying here but that's very far from being the case.

[Anonymous No.22281554]

>>22281329
based
>>22281357
cry more fag

[Anonymous No.22281608]

>>22271784
>>22280257
Did it take you 3 days to read the first couple of pages of Athenaze?

[Anonymous No.22281750]

>>22279407
Athenaze + grammar + Anki
don't fall for the false dichotomy. Read lots and understand the grammar of what you're reading. Really the most important thing is just sticking with it. Even if it's just 30 mins a day.

[Anonymous No.22282135]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22282248]

>>22281608
I posted the first one on the 16th, I didn't do anything the 17th, then I translated Dikaiopolis B the 18th and posted it. Copying the vocab, translating B, and taking notes on the grammar after took about an hour. Ancient Greek is lowest on my priority list so if I'm not feeling well I skip it. I'm also reading The Critique of Pure Reason and learning Spanish. I spend about an hour a day on Ancient Greek, an hour on Spanish, and a few on Kant.

[Anonymous No.22282291]

>>22279399
What's your native language? If IE, well done learning
> Mandarin to a medium intermediate level
in the first place.

Are you far enough with CC already to be able to read the histories already? I was the Anon wondering about >>22258864 (at the bottom of the post).

[Anonymous No.22282393]

What do you think of current translations of modern books, into ancient languages? In terms of quality, or whatnot.

[Anonymous No.22282421]

>subjunctive purpose clause
I think I'll just use the infinitive

[Anonymous No.22282571]

>>22267438
Why the deletion?

[Anonymous No.22282611]

The classics pedant quotes endlessly from the decadence of men, yet he knoweth nothing of the natural world.

[Anonymous No.22282658]

>>22282611
I am like the duck here. You are more, maybe, like the man above me the duck.

[Anonymous No.22282695]

>>22282393
>Ille = the!!!
The absolute fucking state of Hungarians.

[Anonymous No.22282773]

>>22282695
you've been filtered by a children's book title, anon

[Anonymous No.22283000]

>>22282393
I would rather have people write original works in Latin. And I'm not talking about LSL readers either, I want a real book. Can be genre shlock, I don't care.

[Anonymous No.22283307]

>>22282421
>Showing purpose with the infinitive
This is your brain on the Dark Ages

[Anonymous No.22283344]

>>22283000
I would love to read some genre schlock in Latin about Roman legions... IN SPACE.

Shit, just write original 40k fanfic in Latin.

[Anonymous No.22283359]

>>22280238
>sanskrit

Thomas Egene's Introduction to Sanskrit I (easy intro, especially if you have not studied a classical language before and doesn't even know what 'genitive' or 'declension' means)

Michael Coulson Sanskrit (teach yourself)
Assimil Le Sanskrit (Nalini balbir)
Ulrich Stiehl's Sanskrit-Kompendium

[Anonymous No.22283376]

>>22283359
>Michael Coulson Sanskrit (teach yourself)
I heard this was brutal. (Good but hard)

[Anonymous No.22283519]

>>22283376
it's not the most friendly one, but the book contais everything you need , transliterations, key to exercises, a bunch of tables for reference,grammar paradigms, classical metres, etc

there's also the second volume of Egenes intro which teachs you through the gita (if you're interested in the gita look for Winthrop Sargeant's translation)

there are a lot of books, Devavanipravesika, the Cambridge one, walter Maurer, Sanskrit Teacher by Kamalashankar Trivedi , just pick one, you could start with Egenes I then go for Coulson or continue with egenes II. Or just dive into the assimil from the beginning if you know french

[Anonymous No.22283541]

>>22283519
Did you do Greek first?

[Anonymous No.22283552]

>>22279652
>>22281750
Thanks. I think I’ll go the athenaze route as long as it teaches attic.

[Anonymous No.22283611]

>>22282393
Waste of time. Isn't the purpose of learning classical languages to be able to read ancients in their native language?

[Anonymous No.22283868]

>>22283541
no, only some latin,

i started with egenes vol. I and now i'm studying coulson's sanskrit

[Anonymous No.22283914]

>>22283868
>>22283376
and regarding Coulson's book, from chapter 6 onwards, all the sentences in the exercises are taken from real sanskrit literature, mostly drama, so they're not adaptations or the same stupid sentences that you usually find in those textbooks

[Anonymous No.22284226]

>>22278912
I'm trained as a Sinologist, so Linear B can't be as bad as Oracle Script characters. Do you recommend a specific place to start with Linear B?

[Anonymous No.22284844]

>nimis
hate this word. always feels like a negation

[Anonymous No.22284885]

Has anybody read Quintus Curtius' history? I heard it was good and easy Latin, and I think it would be interesting to read considering it's more a novel/adventure compared to Caesar.

[Anonymous No.22285070]

>>22284844
>nimis = too much
I think of it as ne + magis (lest any more)

[Anonymous No.22285860]

boomp

[Anonymous No.22285923]

I think we should all start offsetting our absolute and introductory ablatives with commas. There's no way Romans weren't pausing on these

[Anonymous No.22285954]

>>22285923
>commas
Don't bring your Greek barbarisms to the elegant Lingua Latīna

[Anonymous No.22285962]

>>22285954
Kek, Romoids stole everything from the Greeks. Language, culture, religion... who's the barbarian now?

[Anonymous No.22286042]

>>22285962
>who's the barbarian now?
The Mayans also invented chocolate before the Spanish. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.22286614]

>*dyḗws -> Zeus(AG)
>*dyḗws -> *Tiwaz(PG) -----------> Ziu(OHG)

[Anonymous No.22286624]

>et caput et pēs eī dolet
are there rules for when multiple subjects must take a singular verb, or does it simply imply something about the author's intended treatment of the subjects?

[Anonymous No.22286632]

>>22286042
Lol, the Spanyards didn't steal the Mayan religion from them because it deemed them more civilized than their own. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.22286695]

>>22286624
>If the subjects are connected by disjunctives (§ 223.a), or if they are considered as a single whole, the verb is usually singular.
https://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/verbs-and-subjects
In your example, "et" is the disjunctive.

[Anonymous No.22286714]

>>22286695
et is a copulative conjunction
i think picrel is the rule to apply

[Anonymous No.22286743]

>>22286632
>What's your point?
CHOCOLATE

[Anonymous No.22286855]

>>22272372
Arabic would have a paramount value in general Semitology. A multiple of the most distinguished Jewish writers did so in Arabic. Coptic has also featured prominently in Christian-associated texts.

[Anonymous No.22286859]

>>22282393
I think they're great. We need more translations of popular books into latin.

[Anonymous No.22287000]

>>22280238
I feel the same as I've come to the conclusion that for many such as myself, who may be foreign to eastern traditions, it possess the most satisfaction potential between any major historical language or contemporary eastern language since much of Asian culture is connected to traditions of Indic origin; while it seems less so the case regarding South Asian culture being influenced the other way around by some other major cultural influence in the region, such as that which China has represented. The consideration of such factors are what further convince me of being the overall most valuable language for someone like me to delve into, considering there is a greater need for more knowledge of it outside of Eastern cultures and translation may provide a satisfactory option for enjoying content in any other language. But proficiency in Sanskrit should imaginably equip one with the most obtainable certainty in comprehending historical Indic literature and doctrines; and unlike the historical polytheism of the West, such traditions are very much alive in the East, despite the leading historical languages in both regions no longer being natively used.

[Anonymous No.22287071]

>meet girl in linguistics class
>we talk after class, exchange numbers
>she start sharing linguistics memes with me
>one day she sends me pic related (I had told her I was studying Latin)
>respond "heu! ignarus interdicti cecidi in foveam!"
>no response for 3 days
>finally responds with a laughing emoji
>stops messaging me
What did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.22287096]

>>22287071
>heu! ignarus interdicti cecidi in foveam
bait or not?
I doubt that's the reason she ghosted you, but couldn't you come up with something better? you are basically just summarising the story in latin

[Anonymous No.22287108]

>>22287071
How do I unsubscribe to this blog?

[Anonymous No.22287114]

>>22287096
>but couldn't you come up with something better?
Like what? Retell the entire story in dactylic hexameter?

[Anonymous No.22287130]

>>22287114
seriously the more I think about it the more autistic it sounds
>girl sends you funny story
>respond with matter-of-fact one-line summary instead of something funny or clever
no wonder she ghosted you
>like what
idk man, find an apposite latin quote, crack a joke in latin, even just sending a laughing emoji would have been better

[Anonymous No.22287139]

>>22287130
>>respond with matter-of-fact one-line summary instead of something funny or clever
It wasn't a summary you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.22287140]

>>22287071
>girl shows interest
>talk talk talk talk talk
>nary a move made
>make lame joke about lame meme
>ghost
Let me guess - that wasn't your first attempt at humor, just the last.
Women in college want to get dicked. You made no attempt to do so. She found someone who was willing to fuck her and promptly forgot about you. Life lesson learned.

[Anonymous No.22287151]

>>22287139
yeah? mihi certe videtur interdictum ignoravisse in foveamque cecidisse, pathice

[Anonymous No.22287750]

>>22284226
>I'm trained as a Sinologist, so Linear B can't be as bad as Oracle Script characters.
That's cool. It's certainly not as hard as Oracle Bone Script. I have not learned Linear B. It is entirely commerce and accounting texts, which is one of the reasons why people hate it. Since you don't seem to be a moron and since I don't know of any Linear B resources, I'll leave you to find them. If you learn it, I'd love to hear about it from an open-minded person.

[Anonymous No.22287815]

>>22276298
Is there even anything to read in Mycenaean? I was under the impression the entire corpus is extremely formulaic administrative texts.

[Anonymous No.22288382]

>>22287815
Many autists would find a great deal of satisfaction in that

[Anonymous No.22288583]

>Eximia forma virginis oculos homini convertit.
What is the translation of that? "Extraordinary form attracts virgin eyes of men"?

[Anonymous No.22288713]

>>22288583
The beauty of the female form turns men's eyes.

[Anonymous No.22288721]

>>22288713
*The girl's beauty

I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.22288748]

>>22287071
>>22287096
First, the story she sent you isn't funny. It's fake and dumb and obviously posted to social media by a dopamine addict. Hard material to work with, but you did a decent job, providing a humorously formal rendition of the lost tourist's attempt at Latin. The problem of course is she is a woman and doesn't speak Latin, didn't expect you to reply in Latin, felt her ignorance had been exposed, and took it out on you passive aggressively.
t. knower of venereal psychology

[Anonymous No.22289057]

just finished the Iliad

[Anonymous No.22289061]

>>22289057
who won?

[Anonymous No.22289089]

>>22289061
oh the war isn't over yet, I'm going to find out in the next installment, the Iliupersis, I just have to find it somewhere....

[Anonymous No.22289251]

I give up bros I'm sick of not understanding half the vocabulary of real books I'm just going to go Athenaze route. Wish I had started months ago.

[Anonymous No.22289380]

>>22287071
Here's a tip for social interaction in general: ask yourself what others expect of you in the best possible scenario, and do nothing to violate that without good reason. Certainly no showing off knowledge or being "funny and random." I and most educated men too would have stopped talking to you for that kind of distasteful remark, let alone modern women who are conditioned to be hypervigilant and one-sidedly transactional.
Yes, this goes even for close relations.

>>22289251
Giving up because it took time? You'd rather have been there already, but getting there is too much work? Is that the person you want to be?

[Anonymous No.22289406]

thoughts on the lemnos stele?

[Anonymous No.22289410]

[Anonymous No.22289423]

have i become der bugmann

[Anonymous No.22289626]

>>22289380
Not because it took time but because reading something where I actually understand the vocab will be more efficient

[Anonymous No.22289639]

>>22267461
I don't even understand the english bible.

[Anonymous No.22289651]

>>22289626
Then don't learn languages at all. This is something you should have understood going in.

[Anonymous No.22289675]

>>22289626
>reading something where I actually understand the vocab will be more efficient
You are one of those guys who will spend 2-3 years going through beginner textbooks and rereading Athenaze and LLPSI because you think using a dictionary to read a native author is cheating. I'm not going to try to argue with you or convince you that you are wrong. I'm only going to say that I did that and it was a total waste of time and I want my 3 years back. If you can suffer through 3-9 months of reading with a dictionary, you would be in a much better place 2 years down the road. I hope you toughen it up and stop looking for 'lifehacks' to speed up the challenges of learning. I'm genuinely rooting for you.

[Anonymous No.22289705]

>>22289251
>>22289626
maybe you are jumping before you can make steps, start with Athenaze by all means and read a lot but you can't expect to not check the dictionary every now and then, the trick is finding the sweet spot, you may want to also use other intermediate readers like Morice's if you still get too intimidated by real literature but at some point you are going to have to make the leap

[Anonymous No.22289759]

>>22287071
I think others have given you versions or aspects of the truth but the much simpler kernel underlying all of it is: unless you can obviously tell what you did wrong with a woman, never question their responses. They don't, so why should you? Simply delete them from your memory. Would you do this with a man with whom you had a little rapport but it fizzled out? No, it would be undignified and you would naturally understand these things happen, even if you genuinely regretted the loss.

She probably doesn't even know herself what put her off. Even in some world where you can grill her and get your perfect answer, you would end up doing the work of a therapist with a lazy and entitled patient who doesn't want to make any progress to reach self-understanding, just so you could reconstruct why she did what she did on some particular day, which would then be a meaningless datum. Just another function of her completely random, thoughtless life. You have to understand that her experience is completely different from yours. She has a potentially infinite number of guys like you. She is not excited to have a little budding rapport with you, she isn't thinking about the consequences of "saying the wrong thing," and she wouldn't scramble to "fix" it if she were to. She cares about you as much as you care about a guy talking to you for a minute as you wait for a bus. He could even be fairly cool, you could have a "surprisingly good for a random bus stop chat!" conversation, and you still wouldn't naturally say "hey let's exchange numbers," You'd only say that if it were REALLY good, like damn this nigga is my long lost best friend type good.

Now imagine every bus stop every day is like that, and it's 3 or 4 potential "pretty good for a bus stop!" high-effort conversation-makers instead of just the one. THAT is a woman's experience of basic daily life, and will be for a few more years until she starts to look "30ish." Then she'll slowly go insane wondering what's happening, because her whole life until then has been interesting little Latinists and linguists trying to chat her up and impress her, doing all the work to sustain the conversation, micromanaging the dynamic between them, agonizing over minor mistakes and how to avoid them, etc. Most of the bus stop johnnies in her life are her own little personal clowns and she just takes it for granted. Only a tiny minority are long lost best friend tier, and even those she can afford to play around with and discard.

[Anonymous No.22289762]

>>22289759
Thus, when something goes wrong with a woman, unless you know what you did (sometimes of course you will), just relax. And even when you do know what you did, unless it was something egregious, just learn from it and move on. Yes you will lose a lot of "opportunities" like this one. That's why you should focus on getting more of them, maximizing your pool of women you chat with, NOT on trying to control the utterly carefree and unconscious whims of a woman saturated in men like you all trying to get her attention. Do you plant one seed and stare at the dirt where you planted it, or do you walk through the field scattering many seeds? Do you care that your bag of seeds had a few duds in it, or that some had a perfect storm of soil conditions or a rock in their way that stunted their growth and prevented them from sprouting? If you have a blooming field of pussy, why would you?

Women, conversely, have a blooming field of cock at all times, in exchange for losing everything in their late 20s. Imagine if you found out a guy at the bus stop you had a "wow, he was surprisingly cool!"-worthy conversation with two years ago, occasioned by the Latin book you were holding at the time, had been mulling over "what he did wrong" for the entire intervening two years, all because you simply said goodbye to him at the end and didn't exchange numbers. Or maybe you did exchange numbers, and texted for a while, but it kind of petered off, as these things do. You'd just be like "sorry dude, I didn't think we had any real connection despite you being a cool guy" / "huh? shit happens man, it was nothing personal, I got a new number around then (etc.)" respectively.

Hold onto this thought, because it's exactly how any given woman sees you, especially in college when their field of dick is in such impressive bloom that it blots out the sun and gives them nonstop psychedelic hay fever. She is INUNDATED in bus stop old guys, all dancing for joy internally because they recognized the object she was holding that day and could plausibly initiate conversation, and she has only a dim and skewed conception of how weird this makes all her interactions with men, how even the man she ends up with will just be a statistically determinate function of innumerable bus stop cock pushers pushing their cocks on her until eventually she let one in (and not even deliberately). She's just enjoying the party, drifting from one person to the next. Imagine the infinity of reasons you could have for accidentally soft-ghosting a guy you did genuinely think was cool, but also meh, it just wasn't anything special, sorry. She has the same infinity of reasons for every man like you she won't remember in a week. So do you REALLY want to agonize over how you said one wrong word, or twitched one muscle the wrong way? What your contribution was to the statistical function of her deciding to put the phone down instead of texting back?

[Anonymous No.22289765]

>>22289762
As life goes on you WILL occasionally get little explanations of fizzled rapports like this one, and guess what, it's never what you think. You will always find that even your most careful projections about it were all wrong, and (for example) she totally did mean to text you back and liked your joke but then just forgot because a giant penis was rearranging her organs or she saw a hat she wanted to spend money she didn't have on. Crucially, once you get this information, nothing changes. You don't go "ohhhh! So this casual flubbed joke or throwaway comment that would have been nothing in a genuine friendship between two men, for whom such things are simply par for the course, was not a fatal faux pas! Now I can go back in time and send a follow-up text to rekindle the rapport and fuck you!" You still didn't get to fuck her. So the only winning move in any case is not to care at all. Enjoy the pussy that sprouts into your life, don't think about how many dead seeds simply decomposed in the ground, and don't go digging them up to find out what happened (unless you're getting no sprouts whatsoever).

The biggest problem young men today have is a basic lack of seeing themselves as "valid," to appropriate a term that women seem to love lately. Male validity isn't like female validity though, it doesn't hinge on being "affirmed" and told you're the most special princess, it simply comes from knowing you're basically an alright guy who can reasonably expect to get what's coming to him and what he wants out of life. A century ago when all your validation would have come from exclusively or near exclusively male social structures, this would be a very easy minimum threshold to meet, bordering on "just don't shit your pants or assault anyone at work and you're good." You'd be surrounded by men who are clear about what they like and don't like, and even the hardships and bullshit hurdles thrown at you would "make sense" as they are couched and conceptualized in essentially male terms. Men will happily survive off of a starvation diet living in a shitty tenement for years and pursue their goals through all sorts of rough patches in life, as long as they know they are this basic kind of valid, and the paths to success are relatively clear. This is why traditional courtship rituals were so rigid, they allowed men to show their dedication to a woman by directly conceptualizing things (a male activity) and knowing exactly what to re-conceptualize and re-learn to perform properly once they fucked up. WOMEN thrive on endless "to and fro" "now this now that" emotional dynamics, ambiguities, reversals and inversions, not men. To a woman, being at the center of such dynamics, including obligatory catty drama with other women (enemies), is like being on methamphetamines and somehow manic at the same time, it's indescribably pleasurable, it's the ultimate fulfillment of her nature, it's like being Napoleon or Caesar as a man.

[Anonymous No.22289768]

>>22289765
The rigidity of pre-modern courtship also provided women with their fair share of this while limiting its potential destructive spillover into real life. Women are currently going insane because the old courtship rituals, which they enjoyed, can only be lossily and inefficiently sublimated into modern pseudo-structures like constant dating and flirting and constantly reading and thinking and talking about dating and flirting. The joy of having a man pull your chair out for you can only be very badly translated into two dozen Chads taking you to the same "cool" bar (and taking their phones out ten times during the date; and openly asking for sex after two drinks). But women's inability to conceptualize like men prevents them from clearly grasping what they are lacking, and addressing the lack. They are basically in the condition of a completely dissolute and retarded man today, who "wants sex" at a primal level, but whose only way of expressing this want is to endlessly edge to pornography and get into all kinds of poop-eating and crossdressing nonsense. Like the woman, he's not expressing his sexual desire sensibly, he's simply being driven by it mindlessly, and ultimately twisted up into a hopeless degenerate.

Women's version of pornography and constant edging is what this woman just did to you, and instead of enjoying just a little bit of it, like male porn addicts and crossdressing shit-eaters women are overdosing on it and letting it overtake their normal consciousnesses and real lives. You were just another tranny scat video tab opened, perused for half a second, and forgotten, in this woman's endless quest to find the best tranny scat orgy.

The only surefire way to make men go insane is to throw them into feminized spaces, which means taking away all the male achievement milestones and explicitly or near-explicitly conceptualized rules and guidelines that previous eras took for granted, and thus staging life itself as some kind of big mixer or party made up of half-drunk "individuals" with half-lidded eyes and heads full of hormones and pheromones, i.e., as the life-experience of a dumb college girl, ambling around "having an experience" here and "trying out" a class there. Success in life today is feminized, i.e. it is a party around the tribal campfire in which everyone is single and everyone is gossiping about their marriage prospects and everyone wants to enjoy the fruits of the latest hunt without thinking of where they came from, etc., basically individualistic hedonism which is the entelechy of femininity. There are no clear ways "up," even monetary success (previously a very low grade of success) seems to be monopolized by androgynous lackadaisical socialites and retards. Everywhere you look you see feminized spaces and feminine dynamics.

[Anonymous No.22289773]

>>22289768
Thus you have no points of reference or firm ground beneath your feet, and thus you become the stunted mirror image of a mere woman. Thus you care that an insignificant airhead "ghosted" you at the womanly chitchat party around the campfire. Did you even REALLY like her? A real man from yesteryear placed into this situation, and still possessing normal masculine points of reference, would be so incensed by the insanity of it that he would break up the party and try to restore those points of reference to the world. He would begin by imprisoning the women (which they would accept immediately and in fact this is what they are half-consciously craving) and executing any simps who try to prevent the party's breakup.

Basically what I'm saying is that a hundred years ago you would naturally, instinctively, primally understand that a woman rejecting or "ghosting" you is meaningless, because women are women and women are gonna women, but because today you yourself live as an honorary woman, but stripped of all the free and innate bonuses women get (Napoleonic enjoyment of being a tart; being the center of attention at least occasionally instead of always the one begging to have his attention "accepted"), you are a bankrupt incompetent hedonist whose unconscious soul is constantly trying to rebel against the hedonism and constantly inciting you to take a brand from the fire and start breaking up the party and end this madness anyway, you instead fixate on your "failure" to get some mindless natural hedonist and ζῷον ἐφήμερον at the hedonism party to stand by you for as long as she stood by the next guy and the last guy.

[Anonymous No.22289814]

>>22289759
>>22289762
>>22289765
>>22289768
>>22289773
based TherapistGPT poster

[Anonymous No.22289930]

>>22289675
I'm not "one of those guys", I've BEEN reading with a dictionary for like 4 months now after studying grammar. If you think it will work better in the long term I'd be open to continuing. It's just getting kind of tiring reading even an easy author like Xenophon or Lysias and having to look up tons of words that appear once or twice.
>>22289705
Thank you I will check it out.

[Anonymous No.22290178]

>>22289930
Try anthologies with glossed vocab at the bottom of the page and more vocabulary in the back.

[Anonymous No.22290598]

Just ordered Collins' Ecclesiastical Primer and I have the Stuttgart Vulgate with me already. Pray for me bros, really excited to learn but I know I'll need the perseverance to stick with it. I want to be able to read the Vulgate and the Latin Fathers, obviously in Latin.

[Anonymous No.22290679]

>>22290598
>I want to be able to read the Vulgate and the Latin Fathers, obviously in Latin.
Reading the Vulgate is pretty easy level to get to considering it's the easiest native text that we have extant. The Church fathers will be more challenging. It's not going to take you as long as it would to comfortably read (if that's even possible) Cicero, Virgil, etc, but it's still on a different level and written for a more intellectual audience than the Vulgate. The good news is that Collins' book is oriented towards the Latin of Jerome and Ambrose so that should be right up your alley.

I'd recommend getting Stelten's Ecclesiastical Latin dictionary and Souter's Glossary of Later Latin to 600 A.D. If you pair those with Cassell's, which is the standard Classical dictionary, you should be able to read basically any Patristic text. You can alternatively buy the Lewis and Short dictionary, but it's massive and expensive. Although it allegedly has Late Latin words, I don't actually know how extensive it is in that regard. You will actually save money by just getting the 3 dictionaries that I named at used price online.

[Anonymous No.22290681]

>>22289762
>field of pussy
>field of cock
Why do people talk like this? Its gross and sounds utterly retarded.

[Anonymous No.22290728]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary
wtf, so Linear B survived until the 4th century BC?

[Anonymous No.22290912]

>>22289930
>having to look up tons of words that appear once or twice
If you cant reconcile with this Classics are not for you

[Anonymous No.22290935]

>>22290912
You have to keep in mind that these people (think that they) want to learn these languages because of video games and e-celebs who make YouTube videos where they review Netflix movies for historical accuracy while wearing replica chain mail or read off of a Wikipedia article about a historical event with Total War footage playing the background after doing a sponsorship read and promoting their Patreon.

The basically come away with 3 tenants that make them impossible to help:
1. Any textbook written before 1945 was written by a knuckle dragging retard who could learn a thing or two from your resident Discord moderator or maybe the top upvoted Reddit poster. If someone recommends these to you, argue with them instead of studying.
2. There is something called "real reading" and people who have actually learned these languages have learned "the wrong way" and should be ignored because they have never experienced "real reading". Anyone who uses a dictionary is just stubborn and won't allow themselves to experience the magic of "real reading". Because of this, you are justified in dismissing anything that they say.
3. If you can learn Japanese by watching anime, then you can learn Akkadian the same way. Don't ask follow up questions as to what the fuck this means, just nod and upvote for the karma.

[Anonymous No.22291038]

>>22290935

[Anonymous No.22291142]

>>22267360
what do i do if theres too much vocabulary in llpsi

whenever i read an actual text i reminded by how little vocabulary i know... the grammar is okayish
i wanna try to (consistently, and preferably easily) improve my latin and maybe start greek

what are the best methods that are almost impossible to screw up? or whatever has worked best for you guys. i feel i need something where i wont loose motivation or its so insanely easy that i can read it normally

maybe i need to start with a blank slate or something

[Anonymous No.22291153]

He's evolving and putting more effort into his bait. I feel like a proud father.

[Anonymous No.22291155]

>>22278912
>Homer: A Transitional Reader
This book was co-authored by my old Greek professor. Neat!

[Anonymous No.22291719]

>>22289765
Terribly interesting, actually! Where did you form these views?

[Anonymous No.22291883]

>>22291142
What's with ignorant zoomer posts and these dumb cat images? Is this the new discord maymay?

[Anonymous No.22292013]

>feel incredibly guilty for taking a month's break from Greek/Latin
>feel too shameful to just pick up a text and start reading

[Anonymous No.22292275]

Honestly, when was the last time (you) learned anything about a classical language in this general?

[Anonymous No.22292600]

>>22292275
>Honestly, when was the last time (you) learned anything about a classical language in this general?
That one time that guy said stop playing my textbook and just jump to a real author and read instead of being a pussy.

[Anonymous No.22292653]

>>22284885
That guy is a moron. I watched one of his interviews. Definite moron.

[Anonymous No.22292718]

>capitulum xxvi

[Anonymous No.22292722]

>>22289814
I just checked an AI detector, and it says the first two posts were written by a human. I didn't bother with the others.

[Anonymous No.22292739]

>>22292718
XXXI here, what's the issue? Go through another book alongside it and you should be reading a new chapter everyday without any issue,

[Anonymous No.22293044]

how do linguists figure out all the idiomatic intricacies of 3000 year old languages?

[Anonymous No.22293070]

>>22293044
By doing nothing but read the language. Smyth is the genius that he is because he read more than anyone else could today. The only way someone could publish something better is by using machine learning. We won't see a competitor to Smyth for many years yet, and when we do get it, the editor will not be particularly knowledgeable and will have to rely, unlike Smyth, on his book.

[Anonymous No.22293276]

>necesse est te punire
vs
>necesse est te puniri
Is 'te' a subject accusative only in the second sentence?

[Anonymous No.22293284]

>>22293044
500+ years of philological glosses and noticing and cataloguing every quirk

You may not read the entire glossary tradition on a single text extending all the way back to the original 1473 critical edition, but someone does, and then that guy writes some other book on that one really weird idiom you had to look up that time

[Anonymous No.22293358]

Such a thing as nested genitives? Eg The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The protocols are of the elders, who are themselves of Zion. Does this type of construction have any consequence for translation or is it just eg
>Protocols (nom.) + elders (gen.) + Zion (gen.)

[Anonymous No.22293504]

can someone help with a translation? i do not understand how this translates the way that it does at the end of the sentence, seems like a bunch of random words. from herodotus 1.85

ἁλισκομένου δὴ τοῦ τείχεος, ἤιε γὰρ τῶν τις Περσέων ἀλλογνώσας Κροῖσον ὡς ἀποκτενέων, Κροῖσος μέν νυν ὁρέων ἐπιόντα ὑπὸ τῆς παρεούσης συμφορῆς παρημελήκεε, [οὐδὲ τί οἱ διέφερε πληγέντι ἀποθανεῖν: ]
Croesus saw him coming, but because of the imminent disaster he was past caring, and it made no difference to him[ whether he were struck and killed.]

[Anonymous No.22293516]

>tfw reading about the decline of Greek and Latin under the tyranny of Christian plebians

[Anonymous No.22293549]

>>22293504
I mean to me it makes sense, what's not clear? the impersonal usage of διαφέρει aka "to make a difference" seems regular, to whom it's "οἱ πληγέντι(pass aorist part. of πλήσσω)", so quite literally "to die didn't make any(τι) difference to him (being struck)".
Sure it's not super literal but seems a reasonable translation.

[Anonymous No.22293568]

>>22293358
yes, normally context should resolve the order

[Anonymous No.22293850]

Do you prefer Greek/Latin philosophical or historical authors?

[Anonymous No.22293892]

>>22293358
You mean The Protocols of the *Learned Elders of Zion, which makes it even more challenging because of the adjective that must agree with Elders. If you read it in Latin, the author would have written it with a logical word order; don't worry about that. The problem in this case is that it could be interpreted as The Protocols of the Learned of the Elders of Zion or even The Protocols of the Learned Zion Elders. Any one or two of those genitives could appear to be adjectives.

[Anonymous No.22294330]

>>22293850
still haven't really tasted either philosophies, closest thing would be the proimium of Diogenes Laertius which I've just begun, but I'm gonna get there
I think even just based on the language though I'm going to prefer the Greels
but as far as history goes I think Latin holds its own

[Anonymous No.22294992]

>>22293850
I have no interest in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22295723]

How do i get started learning medieval Latin? I already can read classical.

Is it difficult to transition to ecclesiastical pronunciation when reading out loud?

[Anonymous No.22295790]

>>22295723
Just jump in, if you know classical it won't be too hard. Some quirks to get used to. Vocab will be slightly different, get a medieval Latin dictionary.

[Anonymous No.22296201]

>>22295723
Varying levels of difficulty depending on if you are reading manuscripts (scribal shortforms, etc.), or if the writer is translating too closely to their native language. You will see habēre used as an auxiliary verb as seen in modern Romance languages instead of the classical perfect tense.

[Anonymous No.22296237]

>>22295723
>How do i get started learning medieval Latin? I already can read classical.
If you learned Latin a while ago and need a thorough review, then get Collin's Ecclesiastical Primer. It's modeled after Late Latin style which is a good transition from Classical to the Middle Ages.

If you just want an introduction to how Medieval Latin is different and you want some texts to read get Reading Medieval Latin by Keith Sidwell. If you still want to learn more about the literature of the middle ages you can get the Oxford Handbook of Medieval Latin Literature by Hexter and Townsend.

If you want to just start reading and you don't need too many notes and glosses than you can pick up An Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin by H.P.V Nunn and Medieval Latin by K.P. Harrington which are the most popular beginner's anthologies.

If you want more reading material after that, I can recommend Millennium: A Latin Reading, 374-1374 A.D. by F.E. Harrison, or The Other Middle Ages by Kenneth Kitchell which specifically tries to pick more obscure texts that aren't already in other anthologies.

For poetry there are two different Oxford Book's of Medieval Latin Verse, one by F.J.E. Raby and another by Stephen Gaselee. Either will work. There is overlap in some of the content, but each editor picked their own selections.

If you want parallel English translations then there's also Helen Waddell's Medieval Latin Lyrics, another book called Medieval Latin Lyrics by Brian Stock, or the Goliard Poets by George Whicher.

>Is it difficult to transition to ecclesiastical pronunciation when reading out loud?
I don't understand why it would be difficult, but you can listen to Litterae Christianae podcast or Radio Vaticana's weekly news broadcast in Latin to get used to hearing the pronunciation.

>>22295790
>get a medieval Latin dictionary.
You can start with just combining Cassell's with Stelten's Ecclesiastical Latin Dictionary or using Lewis and Short alone. Either way will cover most stuff up to 600. A lot of anthologies with vocab will list vocab that is not in Lewis in Short and use that as the bar for which words are listed and which aren't. If you are still getting stuck you can get A Glossary of Later Latin by Souter for Late Latin and the Revised Medieval Latin Word-List from British and Irish Sources by R.E. Latham. You shouldn't need anything else unless you are reading later Neo-Latin, in which case maybe the Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis may be of some use.


Good luck!

[Anonymous No.22296280]

How difficult are the Church Fathers?

[Anonymous No.22296283]

Does anyone here have any experience with Gothic. The corpus seems very small, so I don't know why you would learn it, but it seems interesting.

[Anonymous No.22296295]

>>22296283
>Does anyone here have any experience with Gothic. The corpus seems very small, so I don't know why you would learn it, but it seems interesting.
People learn Gothic to study early Germanic linguistics. It doesn't have to be some lifetime dedication where you study 10 hours a day and then end up disappointed because you were expecting to get something huge out of it. Literally just get Joseph Wright's primer (that's the one Tolkien used) and then do a few minutes a day for a few months, enjoy it, and then move on with your life.

[Anonymous No.22296300]

A lot of you guys are asking vague and open ended questions that are honestly more suited for Reddit or ChatGPT.

[Anonymous No.22296332]

>>22296300
Why are you gay?

[Anonymous No.22296474]

>>22296300
>>22293276 is a very specific question yet you refuse to answer

[Anonymous No.22296496]

>>22293276
>>22296474
NTA, but I'll answer:
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22296746]

>>22296300
Have you considered that they actually want some human connection, not just brute knowledge? I don't wanna live in this time anymore.

[Anonymous No.22296773]

I started reading this Didot's edition of Diogenes Laertios and I wonder if there's a specific reason for the translation of τὸ ποιοῦν with "effectio" here, although the context in the next phrase makes the "active" nature of the Greek participle ποιοῦν clear. Maybe something to do with standard Latin philosophical lexicon? I know next to nothing about philosophical terminology

[Anonymous No.22296787]

>>22296746
>Have you considered that they actually want some human connection, not just brute knowledge? I don't wanna live in this time anymore.
I'm no critiquing the fact that you would rather speak to a person instead of a robot, I'm critiquing the idea that questions which are stupidly simple and have already been answered a million times don't need to continuously be posted in the thread. If you want to have some human interaction, 4chan is not the place. If you insist, then at least ask something interesting and not "which textbook should I use", "is Greek hard", "has anyone tried (insert language here)", "how can I start reading", etc...

[Anonymous No.22296880]

was it autism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Catullus_16.webm

[Anonymous No.22296890]

>>22296880
post vocaroo

[Anonymous No.22296898]

>>22296890
https://vocaroo.com/12mlQi9TGDY1

[Anonymous No.22296966]

>>22296898
Anon, you were supposed to post your own rendition.

[Anonymous No.22296975]

>>22296966
i'm not a pathicus

[Anonymous No.22296981]

>>22296975
Non istuc satis est uno te dicere verbo, sed facere ut quivis sentiat.

[Anonymous No.22297001]

Is the word itself derogatory, or is it only so with the additional adjectives?

[Anonymous No.22297025]

>>22297001
The piss-poor grammar alone makes that sentence offensive.

[Anonymous No.22297046]

>>22297001
romans called them "caepa cirrata," the equivalent of a "nappy headed hoe"

[Anonymous No.22297048]

>>22297025
Alright mr.Centurion, how would I write it?

[Anonymous No.22297598]

>>22297001
>bestia est
Latincels are just a mess

[Anonymous No.22297748]

Pyrobolo a me facto... hominesne interfecti sunt??

[Anonymous No.22298149]

>>22295723
Tomorrow I'll translate into english a "medieval latin cheat sheet" my teacher gave to me few months ago.

[Anonymous No.22298180]

>>22297748
>Pyrobolo
Πανέλληνες....οὐχὶ δυνάμεθα ἡσσᾶσθαι

[Anonymous No.22299160]

I’m trying to read Horace, and on Ode 3.30 I’m confused as to which part of speech “postera” is: “usque ego postera
crescam laude recens, dum Capitolium
scandet cum tacita virgine pontifex” as English translations vary. Can anyone help? Thanks

[Anonymous No.22299411]

>>22299160
>usque ego postera crescam laude recens
Only one other word is feminine in this phrase. Cresco usually does not take an object
feminine ablative with laude

[Anonymous No.22299418]

>>22267360
test

[Anonymous No.22299429]

>Nec vero de virtute, constantia, gravitate provinciae Galliae taceri potest. Est enim ille flos Italiae, illud firmamentum imperi populi Romani, illud ornamentum dignitatis.
Interesting passage I read today. Seems to anticipate ille becoming a true definite article in later centuries.

[Anonymous No.22300129]

>Saepe silentium est respōnsum plānissimum
there's a lot of wisdom in this tome

[Anonymous No.22300196]

>Nempe haec adsidue. iam clarum mane fenestras
>intrat et angustas extendit lumine rimas.
>stertimus, indomitum quod despumare Falernum
>suffi ciat, quinta dum linea tangitur umbra.

Literally me

[Anonymous No.22300461]

>>22273971
A few friends from uni started learning both three years ago. Now they are somewhat fluent in Modern, as well as very advanced in Ancient. It's generally a good idea.

[Anonymous No.22300473]

>>22273971
I've always been told it's a horrible idea because they are such different languages that you will get wires crossed. It's like learning Latin and French at the same time, but either better or worse because there are more actual similarities due to Greek undergoing so much self-conscious and deliberate "Atticizing" reconstruction in the 19th century, unlike French which developed organically over the centuries and was always in enough use that it was never considered decadent and in need of "Latinizing" restoration (aside from basic classicizing fads in poetry etc.).

But I imagine if you're not a midwit then it's like anything else, maybe a few pitfalls here or there, or 20% extra effort, but if you want to learn modern Greek then do whatever the fuck you want and just don't be a little bitch about it and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.22300891]

>>22300129
ok iulius

[Anonymous No.22301096]

>>22299429
ille in this commendatory sense probably did collapse into articles as plebs tried to copy the higher register while discarding the original meaning

[Anonymous No.22301734]

>>22299418
how did it go

[Anonymous No.22302546]

this is one of Wheelock's practice translations from chapter 2:

Et fortūnam et vītam antīquae patriae saepe laudās sed recūsās.

and my translation:

You praise but reject the ancient fatherland's fortune and mode of life.

(with the implication being that the person being spoken to is a hypocrite)

This seems right but I still don't fully understand cases

[Anonymous No.22302577]

>>22302546
it is right. What don't you understand?
Accusatives are the objects of verbs. What are the two accusatives?
Who is the subject?

[Anonymous No.22302607]

>>22302577
it's not so much the concept of the different cases as it is determining when a word is in genitive, dative, vs plural nominative due to them having the same form. I spent like 10 minutes thinking that patriae antiquae was "ancient countries" and the subject until I realized that since the verbs were in second person the subject couldn't be third person. I guess I'll improve with time but right now it isn't at all obvious what case certain words are in

[Anonymous No.22302633]

>>22302607
it will get better with time. You'll learn to keep options in your head as you read and whittle them down as it becomes clear.
All that comes from practice and time. Don't panic or get down on yourself, keep at it and you will steadily improve.

[Anonymous No.22302691]

>>22302607
It is tricky at first. But don't worry, you'll get used to it as you read.

[Anonymous No.22302750]

>>22302607
Always remember that only 10-20% of what you are learning will ever be applied or thought about consciously, and the other 80-90% will become automated background knowledge. Once you experience a few moments of "wow lol I knew that without even trying," your confidence will go way up. Modern humans have lost touch with how powerful our memory is. Trust in the process.

[Anonymous No.22303576]

bump

[Anonymous No.22303880]

>>22300196
same

[QANON No.22304065]

>>>/pol/435697523
bump for Disclosure Now

[Anonymous No.22304658]

>>22304065
apologies sir but this is a humble sumerian yo-momma-fat jokes thread

[Anonymous No.22304777]

In Hebrew, does the syllable stress falls on ever change between absolute and construct state if the noun's spelling is otherwise identical?
For example, my lexicon says בֶּ֫טֶן is the absolute state, but doesn't explicitly mark stress for the construct state בֶּטֶן. Can I always assume it's pronounced exactly the same?

[Anonymous No.22305734]

ᵇᵘᵐᵖ

[Anonymous No.22305923]

>>22277405
>https://www.youtube.com/@litteraechristianae/videos
this is the second latin guy I see that is moving his face in concentration, is he not fluent in latin why does he have to be so concentrated while he speaks?

[Anonymous No.22305944]

Just starting to try to go through the Iliad in Greek, is there any way to tell for sure if a line like ἡρώων, αὐτοὺς δὲ ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν ends in a spondee or a trochee? Like I'm sure there's some consensus view in the case of a text that's been studied for eons but I'm just wondering if there's any rhyme or reason behind that choice or other choices made in the same type of situation?

[Anonymous No.22306010]

>>22305923
No one is, just LARPers shilling for cash and subscriptions

[Anonymous No.22306019]

>>22305944
By regular rules of measurement, if it were in any other position in the meter, it would be a trochee. In hexameter the final foot is always treated as a spondee as part of the rhythm.

[Anonymous No.22306719]

>>22304777
Not in the case you're mentioning apparently.
https://biblehub.com/text/judges/16-17.htm

[Anonymous No.22306903]

>>22306019

>κύνεσσιν
>Spondee

How?

[Anonymous No.22306932]

Why learn Latin?

[Anonymous No.22307038]

>>22305944
the last foot is always _ x , so if you are asking for the choice between spondee and trochee: spondee and trochee at the end of a line were always perceived to be identical, the important part is that the last two feet end in the strict rhythm of _.._x (it is very rare for a line not to have a dactyl + trochee/spondee like this, but it happens sometimes). The value of the last vowel can be determined by grammatical knowledge, I guess (so in κύνεσσιν the ι should be short, so the ending is technically a trochee, but it will be perceived in the same way as a spondee due to the pause at the end of the line). If you have difficulties analyzing metre I would suggest analyzing the line from back to front, you will always find this cute little _.._x rhythm first: here it is τεῦχε κύνεσσιν. Try speaking it out loud and finding the rhythm in that and you will find that same ending over and over again. some examples from the surrounding lines: ἄλγε' ἔθηκε, ὄικαδ' ἱκέσθαι, νῆας Ἀχαιῶν, στέμμα θεοῖο

[Anonymous No.22307078]

>>22306932
cur deus homo?

[Anonymous No.22307514]

>>22306903
In dactylic hexameter and most other forms the final syllable is always treated as long. If it is not naturally long consider it as a lengthening of a short syllable. As >>22307038 says this helps with the rhythm and structure of the poem. Look up "brevis in longo" for more.
>κύνεσσιν
This is the final word but not the final foot. The ending spondee is νεσσιν. Metrical feet can and often do extend across words. See pic related - red are spondees, green are dactyls.

[Anonymous No.22307572]

>>22307078
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cur_Deus_Homo

[Anonymous No.22307670]

>Βίβλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ υἱοῦ Δαυὶδ υἱοῦ Ἀβραάμ.
This breaks the latinlets mind hahaha. Just start studying Greek you freaks.

[Anonymous No.22307711]

>>22307670
I can't read a word of greek and even I know this is the bible

[Anonymous No.22307721]

>>22306932
Because I'm bored and have nothing better to do with my time.

>>22307670
Book genesis Jesus Christ son of David son of Abraham?

I'm only on Chapter 4 of Athenaze and can understand that much. I'm not really interested in the bible, though.

[Anonymous No.22307722]

>>22307670
But how well does your school of thought render it into translation?

A record of the ancestry of Yesus the Uncted, son of Dawid, son of Avraham: Avraham begat Yis'haq; and Yis'haq begat Yaqov; and Yaqov begat Yudas and his brethren; and Yudas with Thamar begat Fares and Zarah; and Fares begat Hesrom; and Hesrom begat Aram; and Aram begat Aminadav; and Aminadav begat Nahshon; and Nahshon begat Salmon; and Salmon with Rhakhav begat Booz; and Booz with Rhuth begat Oved; and Oved begat Yeshshai; and Yeshshai begat Dawid the king. And Dawid with her of Urias begat Solomon; and Solomon begat Rhovam; and Rhovam begat Aviyah; and Aviyah begat Asa; and Asa begat Yoshafat; and Yoshafat begat Yoram; and Yoram begat Ozias; and Ozias begat Yoatham; and Yoatham begat Akhaz; and Akhaz begat Hezekias; and Hezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Yosias; and Yosias begat Yekhonias and his brethren, during the exile at Babylon. And after the exile at Babylon, Yekhonias begat Shalathi'el; and Shalathi'el begat Zorobavel; and Zorobavel begat Avihud; and Avihud begat Elyaqim; and Elyaqim begat Azor; and Azor begat Sadoq; and Sadoq begat Akhim; and Akhim begat Elihud; and Elihud begat Elazar; and Elazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Yaqov; and Yaqov begat Yosef, the husband of Maria, from whom Yesus called the uncted one was born.

So all the generations from Avraham to Dawid are fourteen generations; and there were fourteen generations from Dawid till the exile at Babylon; and there were fourteen generations from the exile at Babylon till the uncted one.

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>>22307721
>Because I'm bored and have nothing better to do with my time.
Learn programming language

[Anonymous No.22307793]

>>22307670
wat mean it's basically the same slop

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