/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22260820]

Japanese cover of Neuromancer edition

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>Thread question
When your body is sent from A to B in a transporter, is it still (You)?

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[Anonymous No.22260829]

what's the best scifi with giants?

[Anonymous No.22260835]

>>22260829
attack on titan

[Anonymous No.22260935]

>>22260829
Voltaire has a scifi with giants. I forgot what it's called.

[Anonymous No.22260982]

>>22260829
Food of the Gods by HG Wells is very good. Part creature feature, part social commentary. Parallels with all recent tech introduced and released without regulation like bitcoin, AI, even Down to how blase and unqualified their creators were.

[Anonymous No.22261093]

>>22260820
yes, objectively

[Anonymous No.22261265]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22261268]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22261285]

I'm slowly making my way through Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere books. I finished the first three Mistborn books, most of the standalone books, and the first three Stormlight Archives books. He's a consistent 7/10 writer, and the series is the same.

[Anonymous No.22261352]

Are the Witcher books any good? In what order would I begin to read them?

[Anonymous No.22261383]

I'm 100+ pages in, and while serviceable, it is *very* simplistic in terms of prose, the plot itself and worldbuilding when compared to The Dark Tower

[Anonymous No.22261385]

will it be good?

[Anonymous No.22261395]

>>22260820

>When your body is sent from A to B in a transporter, is it still (You)?

If 'you' is socially defined then yes, no less than if you moved from Point A to Point B in space

[Anonymous No.22261443]

>>22261352
Start with The Last Wish, then move on to Blood of Elves. Last Wish is a collection of short stories, that focus on establishing Geralt and the gang's place in the world, and the state of that world. Pretty good read, little inscrutable sometimes though.

[Anonymous No.22261480]

>>22261385
Absolutely. When I started Iron Gold I thought it was going to suck but I think I liked Dark Age even more than the initial trilogy. I can’t imagine the next part to be anything other than amazing. I just wish he would cool it with all the gay stuff. But oh well, I guess the publishers got to him.

[Anonymous No.22261484]

>>22260820
What do you guys think of the Dark Tower series by Stephen King? Is it good? I’ve always wanted to read it ever since I discovered it when I was a kid but I never actually got around to it.

[Anonymous No.22261499]

Just started Malazan. What am I in for /lit/ bros?

[Anonymous No.22261501]

>>22261484
Books 1, 3, 4 are very good. Book 4 is the best, and very well may be one of the best novels King ever written. Book 2 is lacking compared to the first four, but it sets up the main characters, so just power through it. The less is said about what goes on from Book 5 and the rest of them, the better. Just read from The Gunslinger to the Wizard and Glass and stop there, and it will be a good experience.

[Anonymous No.22261509]

Tell me about the Riyria Revelations, guys. Any resemblance between it and the Thief (in atmosphere, for example)?

[Anonymous No.22261537]

>>22261509
>Riyria Revelations
it's pretty bad desu
idk about the thief but riyria dropped its thief/mercenary for hire schtick very quick
plot was convoluted, dialogue and characters scuffed

[Anonymous No.22261578]

>>22260820
I found Neuromancer incomprehensible but it still really inspired me, what does it mean

[Anonymous No.22261585]

>>22261578
>incomprehensible but it still really inspired me
That's just science fiction in general. There are powerful ideas about life, what it means to be human, and the rise & fall of societies with nonsense jargon like "flux capacitors" & "ion thrusters" layered over the top purely for aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.22261640]

Just finished the 'first' obsidian path trilogy, got absolutely reader-cucked when expecting a proper finale to the series. Anybody got something better without american politics and simping?

[Anonymous No.22261656]

>>22261268
>Azarinth Healer
>grr i'm very powerful and heal myself
>I have sex every two chapters
What's the appeal apart from having a shitload of litrpg goyslop to read?

[Anonymous No.22261692]

>>22261484
It's terrible. First book sets a cool mood and place, then the rest are a string of Stephen King pop books of decreasing quality.

[Anonymous No.22261713]

I am so bored of scifi. It feels like nothing new or compelling or particularly well-written in terms of pure prose is being produced. Blindsight was the last book to truly interest me and that was 17 years ago (I'll read Omniscience when Watts finally gets around to finishing it but I won't hold my breath). I've read a lot of the big titles - Dune, BotNS, Neuromancer, Solaris, Starship Troopers, Hyperion, Three Body Problem, several PKD etc. etc. and while there are some gems, even some of the ones touted as 'the best of the best' are significantly wanting.

Anyone else been in a slump like this where everything feels stale and like nothing exceptional is left to find? Did you get out of it or just sort of move on? I love what scifi is and can be, but the execution is severely underwhelming in the vast majority of cases.

[Anonymous No.22261730]

>>22261713
I embraced the lowbrow.

[Anonymous No.22261829]

>>22261352
The Witcher is a solid series, especially valuable for Americans who cannot conceive what Fantasy outside of their culture circle looks like. American fantasy...it just hits different, even after you've read it for many years. Don't fall for the 'Witcher is slavic' meme, it's just european. It was written in the early 2000s, so it has some liberal semi-political issues of that time, but in a hilarious, old-fashioned way - women in leadership positions, but making female-only cliques and being absolute cunts to each other, women being anti-men, men lusting over women and being made fools over it, men having gritty lives...It's a classic fantasy kino.

It's not perfect, but has its charm, especially these days of low-quality publishing. If it has issues, it's mainly due to poor english translation and an ending that not everyone likes.

For the order of reading, just go with the publication order: First two books with short stories that set the world and the characters, then the main series starting with the Blood of the Elves and ending with the Lady of the Lake. After that, there's the Season of Storms, semi-half-story that isn't much, but it's a solid reading for people who liked the main series.

[Anonymous No.22261837]

>>22261509
Locke Lamora is shilled constantly because it's a perfect rogue/thief story set in a renneisance setting with magic, so you can check it out. If you want something grittier, you need to seek on your own. If you actually read Locke Lamora, don't read the sequels. They are fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.22261851]

>>22261829
I really can't think of a single series where publication order is inferior to chronological.

[Anonymous No.22261869]

Starting of my Warhammer journey with uriel ventris chronicles vol 1 and 2. What am I in for bros?

[Anonymous No.22261871]

Someone brought it up last thread when I mentioned Practical Guide to Evil, has anyone given Pale Lights a try yet? I generally enjoyed the Guide even with some minor quibbles with the updated version.

[Anonymous No.22261908]

>>22261851
Game of Thrones spin-offs might be a good example, they are written later, thus written with more experience and clearer idea of what the world is. Some series are like that, prequels are sometimes a good entry to a series. There are also those few series where chronological order isn't exactly the best way of reading it, like Pratchett's Discworld.

[Anonymous No.22261913]

>>22261871
I've heard a lot of people call it 'Palekino', so I guess it's at least okay?

[Anonymous No.22261934]

>>22261908
But wouldn't it be extremely painful to go from well-written prequels back to the interquel?

[Anonymous No.22261943]

>>22261913
Hah! I'll give it a go, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.22262012]

>>22261934
You're a big reader.

[Anonymous No.22262063]

>>22261713
I'm sure you're expecting this answer but I'll tell you anyway: read other stuff. I'm reading a lot of pulp, noir and neo-noir and it's great. it's such the opposite of SF with all these grand ideas and poorly written characters. you can chew through these books quickly and they'll leave you wanting more. and then you'll eventually circle back to SF.

[Anonymous No.22262080]

>>22261285
Yeah, if there's one thing to say about Sanderson, is that's he's consistently 'competent'. Not excellent, but he clearly understands his writing tools and how to use them well enough. Which feels like it shouldn't even be a bar, yet somehow it is.

[Anonymous No.22262082]

>>22261268
>Still saying Iron Prince is a LitRPG
I don't like it, but at least call it what it is.

[Anonymous No.22262084]

12 Miles Below

https://www.amazon.com/12-Miles-Below-Progression-Fantasy-ebook/dp/B0BWKDF1C7

Icy death above. Monster-filled dungeons below. He must fight or freeze.

Extreme sub-zero temperatures suffocate the surface. Frozen structures of bygone eras span across massive ice-wastes. And the survivors closely guard any technology rediscovered within them.

The only escape from the deadly climate is beneath the surface, but that doesn't mean it's safe...

Monstrous machines lurk in the depths. Unhinged demigods war against them, dying over and over, treating it all like a game. The depths themselves shift over time, more contraption than rock.

When an expedition into the far uncharted north goes terribly wrong, Keith Winterscar and his father get trapped together in a desperate fight for survival. Stumbling upon an ancient war of titanic scale, the two will need to set their differences aside while they struggle against gods, legends, and the secrets of the realm that lies below.

[Anonymous No.22262096]

Dreamt I read a Sanderson time (1000+ pages) in a day and absolutely hated, then proceeded to tell everyone how horrible it was. And everyone doubted me for reading it all at once

[Anonymous No.22262109]

>>22262096
>Branderson haters are now seething literally 24/7
heh

[Anonymous No.22262111]

>>22260935
Minimegas

[Anonymous No.22262117]

>>22261713
Try A A Atanassio and Swanwick.

[Anonymous No.22262119]

>>22262109
It should be illegal to be this fat.

[Anonymous No.22262121]

>>22262109
Whats odd is Ive never read a single Sanderson book

[Anonymous No.22262126]

>>22262117
Wiling to give them a shot, any works you'd recommend to being with? Would appreciate something shorter if possible.

[Anonymous No.22262144]

my list on brando's cosmere books

[Anonymous No.22262147]

>>22262144
white sand-not the graphic but the prose version

[Anonymous No.22262174]

>>22262119
You've never been to American have you? That would be classed as below average.

[Anonymous No.22262207]

Ok so I'm about half way through red rising and I get the vibe that the next 3 or 4 books are going to be set in school like some harry potter or name of the wind type of thing. Is it worth finishing the series or is this reddit the novel? I bought it on a lot of recommendations from lit

[Anonymous No.22262219]

>male MC
>Classical fantasy
>No nonsense bullshit with females
>Badass

[Anonymous No.22262226]

>>22262126
In Other Worlds is nice and short.

[Anonymous No.22262227]

>>22261285
>7/10 writer
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.22262261]

>>22261829
>It was written in the early 2000s
Actually, the beginning was written in the middle of 1980s (in 1986, as I remember).

[Anonymous No.22262275]

>>22261837
As I know, Locke Lamora is a heist/band story in some quasi-Venetian setting, but Thief is an atmospheric single-man story in the based semi-victorian semi-medieval City. It's slightly different things.

[Anonymous No.22262290]

Does anyone here read fiction on Substack? Was considering posting a serial on there but wasn't sure. There seems to be a few SFF writers on there but I don't know if anyone outside Substack actually reads them.

[Anonymous No.22262293]

>>22262144
>tress in D tier
why? I was planning on reading it soon

[Anonymous No.22262326]

>>22262293
Some negatives of tress:
The narration is from hoid's pov, and he interjects constantly with his hot takes and quips

This is the most fairytale of Sando's work, he has admitted that the chief inspiration is the princess bride

There is more than the usual silliness, societal interaction between personnel of different ranks than other books

Some twists are more likely to be found in ya works

Positives of tress
The mcs are good characters, tress in particular

The world is suitably imaginative, if Brando was a better writer like say Dan Simmons, this work would have been like Siri's world

[Anonymous No.22262372]

>>22261829
It doesn't seem much different from Anglo fantasy to me.

[Anonymous No.22262413]

>>22261352
>>22261829
Just read Elric instead. Fucking zoomers

[Anonymous No.22262460]

Can I skip Urth and move on to the later books?

[Anonymous No.22262465]

>>22261352
The first two books (Sword of Destiny, The Last Wish) are the best part of the Witcher, and they are pretty standalone. So, that is your minimum.

[Anonymous No.22262466]

>>22262372
>It doesn't seem much different from Anglo fantasy to me.
Maybe you haven't noticved, but there's a chasm of values between America and Europe. Americans have pretty narrow topics like authority/liberalism, slavery or trying to be the strongest/the best. These topics aren't exclusive to american fantasy, but their prevalence is extreme. In my experience, european fantasy has more emphasis on deeper topics, philosophy, the sadder aspects of life, etc. American stories by and large feel shallow.

It's good for a pop-corn read, but for serious stuff I'd prefer non-american authors. The only reason I read american stuff is that they have dominated all literature spaces and produce the most fiction.

[Anonymous No.22262469]

>>22261869
Some super bland and generic space marines content. Once you get bored of them, check out Eisenhorn or Gaunt's Ghosts instead.

[Anonymous No.22262479]

>>22262466
Yeah that's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.22262501]

>>22262460
lol no. Why the hell would you do that?

[Anonymous No.22262528]

>>22262466
The USA didn't have its Midle Ages, so Americans don't understand many medieval things, beginning with medieval consiousness and ending with pauldrons. To be honest, Americans should be grateful that they have such an author as GRRM.

[Anonymous No.22262543]

>>22262528
We have based Wizard of Oz and Little Nemo for fantasy Americana. Fuck GRRM

[Anonymous No.22262549]

>>22262219
>Of_and_
Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.22262551]

Yumi > Tress > Wizards

[Anonymous No.22262557]

>>22262543
>Wizard of Oz and Little Nemo
Nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.22262563]

>>22262501
Probably because the spaceship section kinda blows ass on a first read through.
>>22262460
Don't drop it until after they get to the planet.

[Anonymous No.22262566]

>>22262557
I care

[Anonymous No.22262584]

>>22261268
Stop shilling this trash

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22262600]

>>22260820
Yumi and the Nightmare Painter, Cosmere - Brandon Sanderson (2023)

Yumi and the Nightmare painter is different from almost all of Sanderson's other work, as these secret projects have all been, in that it's romance-oriented. I'd specifically describe this novel as a romantic comedy with dramatic elements featuring an atypical body swap that results in a stranger in a strange land scenario, though they stay together. Sanderson explicitly states his inspirations in the postscript. The starting idea came from the manga, Hikaru no Go, though he cites Your Name, Final Fantasy X, and a story he can't remember the name of as influences. I'd also throw Loop Hero in there as well, mostly as a joke. The influences are decidedly Southeast Asian and so is this new setting, as it's based on South Korea (where he served as a missionary) and Japan. The interior art is by Aliya Chen, which in combination with everything else previously mentioned really gives this a feel of being a Western light novel in everything but name.

The two main characters are Yumi and Nikaro. Hoid is the narrator and almost nothing else. Yumi is a priestess of the spirits who has been raised in a very traditional, orthodox, and conservative manner that's filled with with rituals and abnegation of the self. Most of the story is her coming to realize she's her own person. It could be described as her Rumspringa. Nikaro, the Nightmare Painter, is almost always referred to as Painter. To paraphrase Hoid, he's a essential frontline worker who is underpaid and feels unappreciated. As a Nightmare Painter, he, along with his many colleagues, prevent incursions from literal manifestations of living darkness. Although this is basically a romance, it's still Sanderson, so the most they do is some light touching and a single kiss. However, because it's also influenced by manga tropes, it has a few awkward situations of them being nude together, including at a hot springs. The mutual nudity is part of the interior art, though nothing sensitive is shown.

I don't have much to say about the worldbuilding. It suffices. Nikaro/Painter is in a near contemporary setting that somehow has developed to that level despite the entire world being shrouded in darkness and the population seeming to be relatively minimal. The main gimmick is the Hion, which serves as their magic as technology, though in a rather mundane way. Yumi's setting is a harsh wasteland of flying foliage, burning ground, geysers, and a dependence on spirits to be technology. Both settings are rather inhospitable in their own ways. As for the story itself, which seems to take place rather deep into the Cosmere timeline, it's about them trying to figure out why they body swap and how to resolve that. Through the course of doing so they learn more about themselves, each other, and where they're from. The story probably isn't that important by comparison to them just being together.

Rating: 3/5

[Anonymous No.22262709]

>>22262543
We also have the Cthulhu Mythos

[Anonymous No.22262819]

>>22262709
>We also have the Cthulhu Mythos
Cthullu has been so thoroughly raped culturally over the last decade that I get nauseous whenever I see story incorporate any of that. We're overstuffed with cthullus.

[Anonymous No.22262880]

>>22262709
>>22262543
I also highly recommend the highly underrated Silver John stories by Manly Wellman

[Anonymous No.22262908]

>>22261352
The games are better, imo.

[Anonymous No.22262943]

Pretty sure I saw Bakker at the local library today scribbling notes and typing on what looked like an ancient windows comp. Kept muttering something as well

[Anonymous No.22262963]

Goodkind revivalist movement when?

[Anonymous No.22262975]

This shit is good. Nobody told me is basically combined the first half of CoD with the whole vibe of GEoD. Half-way through it so let's hope it maintains course.

[Anonymous No.22263149]

>>22262557
>Not caring about Little Nemo in kinoland
Filtered

[Anonymous No.22263157]

>>22262908
I know that book purists don't like the games but thanks to them we have blacked content with Yennefer, Ciri, Triss and Henrietta

[Anonymous No.22263194]

[Anonymous No.22263223]

>>22261385
General consensus from advanced review copy readers seems that it's somewhere in the top 3 of the series. From some vague spoilers I heard, we're also getting Rim Dominion kino so I can't wait.
>>22261871
It's better or worse than the Guide depending on your taste. I put it on hold around chapter 15-20 since I prefered binging the Guide and don't want to wait every week for updates. I liked the male pov but the woman's was kind of irritating (I assume this gets better as her character is further developed). The world and setting is definitely more mysterious and interesting than Creation from the Guide which it has going for it.

[Anonymous No.22263271]

>>22263194
That's just Elric of Melnibone

[Anonymous No.22263285]

Zelazny said these are the 5 favorite that he wrote.
>This Immortal
>Lord of Light
>Doorways in the Sand
>Eye of Cat
>A Night in Lonesome October .

[Anonymous No.22263292]

>>22262227
?
>>22262080
I'd be hard pressed to call him a favourite writer, but he's good enough for me to want to read his stuff. This seems worse than being an outright shit writer, but it somehow isn't lmao. Guess it helps I'm in the mood for serviceable fantasy

[Anonymous No.22263299]

>>22262144
Warbreaker should be S tier, otherwise agreed

[Anonymous No.22263309]

>>22261480
Same. I was surprised at how enjoyable this series was so far.

The gay stuff is fucking stupid. You nailed it though. Publishers are requiring it.

I read an opinion piece, can't remember where - but maybe I could find it again, that was rumored to be written by Sanderson. The op piece stated how publishers are requiring there to be gay characters AND they can't be all bad, pedo characters. If there is an evil gay pedo character, there has to be 2x or 3x 'good' gay characters.

Sanderson had to write them in. This started happening like 15 or so years ago. Even Jordan had to write in some gay shit.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if publishers told Martin to cool it with the gay shit. lol.

If Sanderson and Jordan were required to write it in, no one else could make a stand. They just won't get published.

[Anonymous No.22263327]

>>22263194
>bruh Shrek has le no chill
Fuck off, zoomette

[Anonymous No.22263330]

>>22261484
Worth reading if you're a King fan, but I hated it

[Anonymous No.22263334]

>>22263327
I'm not a zoomer.

[Anonymous No.22263336]

https://www.tor.com/2023/07/12/detonation-boulevard-alastair-reynolds/

[Anonymous No.22263417]

Are there too many different sorts? How specific can something be before it loses value? Does its value depend on how many can be labeled as such? What are your favorite niche microgenres?

https://www.tor.com/2023/07/13/how-many-genres-is-too-many/

>The first time I saw the word “grimdark,” I thought it was a joke...about the kind of fantasy where everything is terrible and everyone dies.

>In “Genre: A Word Only a Frenchman Could Love,” Ursula K. Le Guin wrote, “A genre is a genre by virtue of having a field and focus of its own, its appropriate and particular tools and rules and techniques for handling the material, its traditions, and its experienced, appreciative readers

>grouping books by theme or setting or plot points doesn’t make them a genre.

>discussions about young adult fiction that boil down to: “Is it a genre or is it a marketing category?” It’s emphatically not a genre

>What is dark academia if not a vibe? What is first contact if not an event? What is a generation ship if not a terrible idea that leads to all kinds of disaster almost without fail?

>Books being discoverable is good. Using microgenres in order to feed algorithms makes me want to break the internet.

>I somehow have no issue with subgenres—urban fantasy, alternate history, space opera—but if you were to tell me I ought to classify The Book Eaters and The Book of Night as, say, “small-town evil patriarchy” books, I would refuse, possibly impolitely

[Anonymous No.22263418]

>lotm2 chapters after 250 will probably take a while to release
god damn it

[Anonymous No.22263419]

I started the quantumn magician a couple weeks ago by your guys's recommendation. And I don't know if I'll be able to finish it.
I dunno, it's just a really basic heist story. Hits all yhe tropes. Onpy the gimmick is the guy pulling the heist can tap into a hyper intelligent stage to parse information like a super computer. Basically Jimmy Nuetron having a brain blast. Albeit more exhausting for him.

[Anonymous No.22263433]

I just found out my favorite Sci-fi book is a juvenile sci-fi book.
Makes sense since I read it for the first time when I was 13.

[Anonymous No.22263444]

>>22263433
Whoops forgot to add that its Starman Jones by Heinlein.

[Anonymous No.22263453]

>>22263433
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/10/14/golden-age/

[Anonymous No.22263463]

Has anyone here read World of Cultivation?
I am at chapter 255 (he is building a city by himself) and its getting worse and worse. Will it pick up again or should I just drop it?

[Anonymous No.22263469]

>>22261385
It's good.

[Anonymous No.22263478]

>>22263194
>20% tip
You americlaps really are something. If I am buying something, why do I have to pay extra when I am finished? Add the money into the cost of the meal. You fuckers try to guilt trip people into giving away money for free. Pay your staff a decent wage and stop looking for customers to do it for you. No wonder Klapistan is falling in our lifetime.
>diners applaud after customer tips waitress

[Anonymous No.22263481]

>>22263469
>muh tranny daughter
>muh whodunit
Reading past book 3 is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.22263488]

>>22261385
I think so. He’s been improving with every book.

[Anonymous No.22263490]

>>22263478
>VAT, value-added tax
The US is one of the few countries that doesn't have one. That's like mandatory tipping for anyone involved at any step of the process.

[Anonymous No.22263491]

>>22263478
Offloading the wages to my customers allows us to add the extra profit into the restaurant itself to give the customer a better experience. It's like taxes. People pay them in order for the government to pave roads, etc.

[Anonymous No.22263497]

>>22263481
>didn't read Dark Age
retard

[Anonymous No.22263529]

I forgot the reply to the anon from a few days ago who was asking for everyone’s least favourite sci-fi and fantasy tropes. Mine is
>thousands of years into the future humanity has changed so much and spread so far throughout the galaxy that no one even remembers Earth anymore
>the protagonist stumbles onto a group of heckin based crypto jews who’ve secretly been practicing unchanged 20th century orthodox judaism for the last couple of millennia
It feels like every conservative amerilard boomer who writes sci fi has used this at least once.

[Anonymous No.22263539]

>>22263490
>The US is one of the few countries that doesn't have one
Yeah, they only have like 10 other taxes that take it place. Other places it's just VAT and done, you get taxed on the same shit multiple times in Klapistan

[Anonymous No.22263540]

>>22263529
Name five.

[Anonymous No.22263545]

>>22263334
Sure thing kid

[Anonymous No.22263553]

>>22263491
>Offloading the wages to my customers allows us to add the extra profit into the restaurant itself
No wonder you mutts fail when you try to open a business outside of americlap. You want the customers to pay the wage for your staff.
Your jimmies are probably rustled when everyone doesn't smile at you when you purchase something outside of Klapistan.

[Anonymous No.22263558]

>>22263497
The tranny daughter and multiple POV showed me whats what. Why should I have continued?

[Anonymous No.22263570]

>>22263417
I unironically consider all literature to be fantasy, including so-called non-fiction.

[Anonymous No.22263571]

>>22262528
>To be honest, Americans should be grateful that they have such an author as GRRM.
If that's your example of someone who understands 'medieval consciousness', you have no right to complain.

[Anonymous No.22263580]

>interesting
>good protagonist
>well written
>consistent
>no plot holes
I don't know why you people complain about Mother of Learning. It's one of the best fantasy books written the past 5 years

[Anonymous No.22263584]

>>22263558
>/pol/tard needs everything filtered through his fragile worldview and just makes random shit up.
I pity you.

[Anonymous No.22263598]

>>22263580
It started being written around 2012 by an Eastern European autist, no wonder it's not as shit as usual american fantasy

[Anonymous No.22263601]

>>22263540
>Chapterhouse: Jewne
>Fall of Hyperion
>The Simulacra
>Not For Glory
>Midnight at the Well of Souls
>Roma Eterna

[Anonymous No.22263605]

>>22263580
It's lame.

[Anonymous No.22263621]

>>22261268
is trash like this the future of fantasy?

[Anonymous No.22263623]

>>22263580
It's very D&D, which can rub people the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.22263627]

>>22263621
It's the present of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22263630]

>>22262600
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.22263637]

>>22263571
At least GRRM understands how medieval things work in general. And medieval consciousness was mainly promoted in the lower uneducated strata of the medieval society. Martin writes about higher strata, so he is fine. Tou can try, for example, "The Song of the Nibelungs", there are strong women and understanable for modern audience emotions there.

[Anonymous No.22263643]

https://acoup.blog/2019/05/28/new-acquisitions-not-how-it-was-game-of-thrones-and-the-middle-ages-part-i/

[Anonymous No.22263648]

>>22263601
Well done. And thank you for giving me a reason to take Well of Souls off my reading list.

[Anonymous No.22263656]

Has anyone tried writing their own fantasy story?

[Anonymous No.22263662]

>>22263643
I remember this guy. He once dismissed dozens of historical sources I'd collected which contradicted one of his arguments on the grounds that I had not personally translated them, and therefore am not a big dick historian like he is.

[Anonymous No.22263663]

>>22263584
What "tranny daughter" is the /pol/ schizo even talking about?
I legitimately have no idea.

[Anonymous No.22263666]

>>22263656

[Anonymous No.22263685]

>>22263643
>S2E6
Does this guy really compare TV show (not books) with historical sources? What's the point?

[Anonymous No.22263689]

>>22263601
>Was about to buy a set of all the Well of Souls books
>See this post
Thanks, anon. I will now use that money to buy some lesser know tanith Lee books

[Anonymous No.22263699]

>>22263656
Yes but all of them turn into smut because i have a severe case of coombrain

[Anonymous No.22263709]

>>22263699
Get medical help.

[Anonymous No.22263721]

books with endings that make you say "based" outloud?

[Anonymous No.22263770]

>>22263539
>you get taxed on the same shit multiple times in Klapistan
How so?

[Anonymous No.22263832]

>>22263770

[Anonymous No.22263861]

>>22263469
how is you have digital copy already

[Anonymous No.22263866]

I do not care to read this little book....ugh lift is cool but I just don't care enough about her and this seems like a small part of the story

[Anonymous No.22263876]

>>22263861
Advance reading copies exist. They've been talked about in this thread and previous ones.

[Anonymous No.22263894]

>>22263876
oh
I haven't been on /sffg/ for months

[Anonymous No.22263901]

>>22263832
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.22263915]

books for this feel? already read conan

[Anonymous No.22263917]

>>22263894
Here's an example. If I clicked request I'd probably be sent a digital reading copy of the novel from the publisher. This has been the case for months.

[Anonymous No.22263928]

>>22263917
https://www.netgalley.com/catalog/category/36/recentlyAddedDRCs
Shows all the recently made available books. This is publicly viewable without an account.

[Anonymous No.22264003]

>>22263584
>and just makes random shit up.
It's been years since I read book 4, but I remember some lgbt shit that felt unnatural to the story, like the author was trying to get cookie points. Then it went from the way the original Trilogy was told to some multi POV shit. Again, it's been literally years since I read book 4 (which I read the week it was released).

>>/pol/tard needs everything filtered through his fragile worldview
Not a pollie. I read gay shit in literature all the time. Hell, I fap to tomgirls, but there is a difference in having a gay character just being there in the story, and aiming a flood light at the faggot, drawing attention to the person being gay, and disrupting the story.
After all these years, other than the whodunit noir investigative shit, I just remember the multiple POVs and the tranny child.

Now neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.22264026]

>>22262975

[Anonymous No.22264028]

>>22264003
nta
Do you really think "I masturbate to it, so I can't possibly be against it!' is a valid argument?

[Anonymous No.22264060]

>>22264028
I see not only are you not that anon, but you can't comprehend either. I did say I read gay shit in books all the time, once the faggets aren't places on a pedestal I can stomach it. It's when you try to pander to, or make what you are trying to appease greater than the story is when the problems start.

Go read Samuel R. Delany to see how you put faggets into a book.

[Anonymous No.22264073]

>>22264060
Should anything be on a pedestal? If so, why? If not, then why mention in such narrow terms?

[Anonymous No.22264084]

Books about pilots or ships or fucking anything special that lets the main characters adventure and be FREE? God I need to quit my fucking office job.

[Anonymous No.22264103]

[Anonymous No.22264113]

Anyone read Warstriders? I remember reading them as a kid on a whim but never got past the first book despite liking it because the library didn't have it. Was wondering if it would be worth picking up the series.

[Anonymous No.22264123]

>>22263915
Stephen Lawhead

[Anonymous No.22264124]

>>22264084
Ports of Call by Jack Vance

[Anonymous No.22264173]

>>22264003
There's way more lgbt shit in the orifginal trilogy, I guess you were just too retarded to notice it and it went over your head. I literally don't remember any new lgbt shit introduced in book 4. You're just making shit up.

[Anonymous No.22264180]

>>22264173
Sure faggot. Go ride your dragon dildo.

[Anonymous No.22264181]

>>22264084
>Irving’s own encounter with the West came in 1832 when he accompanied the Commissioner of Indian Affairs on a month-long journey to what is now eastern Oklahoma. His account of that trip, A Tour on the Prairies (1835), described wild landscape, rugged inhabitants, and dramatic chases and hunts with an eye for romantic sublimity and a keen appreciation of the frontiersman’s “secret of personal freedom.”

[Anonymous No.22264188]

>>22264180
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.22264198]

>>22264188
>chooses to ignore fagget who is being willfully obtuse
>tells him to play with his ass
>takes it as me conceding
I see you are lonely on a friday night and just want some (you)s, well this is the last I will be responding.

[Anonymous No.22264208]

>>22264198
holy cope

[Anonymous No.22264356]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/14tdr8u/significant_hugo_awards_stats_over_the_last_five/jr3oavj
Long commentary on why the Hugo award is as it is now by a Hugo award winner.

[Anonymous No.22264362]

>>22260829
Thomas Covenant

[Anonymous No.22264368]

>>22261484
>>22261501
This anon is spot on. It's sad but true books 5-7 blow if you really want just read the epilogue of 7 at the local library if you want to know the true ending.
>>22262963
I've had the Law of Nines sitting by my bedside table for eons, should really start it someday.

[Anonymous No.22264384]

>>22264362
Giant scenes are very emotional in this work. No denying.

[Anonymous No.22264440]

>>22260829

short story by Clive Barker called "in the hills, the cities"

[Anonymous No.22264460]

>>22260829
Book of the New Sun

[Anonymous No.22264466]

>>22264384
...it's giantess fetish shit, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.22264469]

>>22263915
The Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell

[Anonymous No.22264486]

>>22262219
That cover is awful. Will not read.

[Anonymous No.22264495]

>>22261509
Read pic related if you want Thiefcore stuff.
>inb4 trannies throw a hissy fit over the author

[Anonymous No.22264503]

>>22260829
book of the short sun

[Anonymous No.22264510]

>>22261484
It's shite. Read the Jerusalem Man trilogy by David Gemmell instead. It's very similar to Dark Tower, but actually good since it's written in a Heroic Fantasy/Sword & Sorcery mold and only three books long.

[Anonymous No.22264518]

>>22261383
>it is *very* simplistic in terms of prose
King's """prose""" is even more simplistic.
>the plot itself and worldbuilding when compared to The Dark Tower
Because the plot to Dark Tower is a clusterfuck of nonsense.

[Anonymous No.22264550]

>22264356
>r
you really need to go back

[Anonymous No.22264563]

>>22261837
I actually liked the third Gentleman Bastards book. It's nowhere as good as the first, and has a some very questionable story decisions, but as a romance-fag it tickled me all the right ways.
Now the second book is pure shit. The whole book is basically meaningless to the larger plot of the series, and 2/3 of the book is dedicated to something meaningless within the book itself. It's like a filler arc within a filler arc and I hated it

[Anonymous No.22264664]

>>22264466
No, his main bro is a giant who literally walks through a river of fire for him, and who sees in him all the goodness he can't see in himself. No giantess fetishes.

[Anonymous No.22264693]

>>22262528
americans didnt suddenly pop into existance in the 17th century, its middle ages are just the english middle ages

[Anonymous No.22264704]

>>22262219
Is this good?

[Anonymous No.22264709]

>>22262219
Any fags and trannies?

[Anonymous No.22264725]

>>22264704
No.
>>22264709
Yes.

[Anonymous No.22264754]

>>22261484
I read it before book 4 was written, and have reread it at least 4 times since the final one. The story got too big, he had to involve time travel and literally wrote himself as a character in the story to wrap things back together. Most everything he's written since is tepid, he stretched out his story-hole with the dark tower and it doesn't produce good stories anymore. I'm no longer a fan, but I do think you should read it if you're interested. Part of what turned me off him was his political social media posts tbqh; I seek out fantasy worlds and stories to get away from the real world, I think most do the same, so the keepers of these worlds should take better care about keeping them separate.

[Anonymous No.22264766]

>>22264664
> No giantess fetishes
I uhh... I'm glad

[Anonymous No.22264803]

>>22264693
Americans don't consider medieval times as part of their history. England is not the same soil. Since most of the pre-Columbia era is a mystery, American history essentially begins at 1492 with Chris.

[Anonymous No.22264811]

>>22262466
You could only ever think this if fantasy is the only thing you've read your whole life.

[Anonymous No.22264814]

>>22262466
Notice how he gave no examples.

[Anonymous No.22264864]

>>22264803
nope. We began on Plymouth Rock in Virginia.

Columbia was more South America and Mexico. North America was still largely left alone for a good 100 years after columbus. Nobody was able to conquer the lands there until the Indians showed us

[Anonymous No.22264913]

>>22261829
lol Witcher is a ripoff of Elric who was inspired by Conan; an American creation.

[Anonymous No.22264942]

>>22263553
Why did you come into /sffg/ to be triggered about tipping of all things? Maybe you should evict us from your head.

[Anonymous No.22264974]

How would you feel about a fantasy espionage novel?

[Anonymous No.22264992]

>>22264974
boring

[Anonymous No.22265027]

>>22264992
Why boring? Spy craft is exciting!

[Anonymous No.22265042]

>>22265027
if an author is good enough to write an enthralling story about espionage, they shouldn't waste their talent in fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22265121]

Recommend me kinos with giant snail mounts.

[Anonymous No.22265166]

>>22261869
As an avid Warhammer 40k player and an avid sci-fi reader, I gotta say; WH40K books are trash. It's literally the equivalent of two 7 year olds arguing about what their action figures can do.

"Oh and then my guy! He has like a big laser and also armor that can't be damaged, and he shoots his laser through 60 aliens like KAPOWWWW!!!"

"Oh yeah? While my guy has a gun that ignores all that now your guy is dead!!!"

Drivel for mongoloids.

[Anonymous No.22265169]

>>22264510
>Read the Jerusalem Man trilogy by David Gemmell instead. It's very similar to Dark Tower, but actually good

Another /sffg/ meme

[Anonymous No.22265183]

>>22264974
I'd be interested if it's battle of wits, like the espionage moments in Death Note or Code Geass.

[Anonymous No.22265323]

>>22262109
Is he like 6'8 or does he just have a small head? Cus proportionally that's a big body

[Anonymous No.22265436]

>>22264356
>y'all
stopped reading there
what a faggot

[Anonymous No.22265477]

>>22260820
>Drogo had called his khalasar to attend and they had come, 40000 dothraki warriors

What the actual fuck! 40000 niggas for a wedding? Does this guy even understand how big that number is? An affair this huge should stir up all kinds of political shit in pentos

[Anonymous No.22265511]

>>22265477
>What the actual fuck! 40000 niggas for a wedding? Does this guy even understand how big that number is? An affair this huge should stir up all kinds of political shit in pentos
He's a semi-ruler of an entire mobile semi-nation. It's like thousands of people coming to a festival, except people come in thousand-strong groups. A lot of things in ASOIAF don't make sense, but it ain't really one of them.

[Anonymous No.22265522]

>>22263915
>this feel
try the long ships, but in swedish or some other nordic language (except finnish). It's like your pic but with a lot of humour.

[Anonymous No.22265530]

>>22263490
most places in the us have vat, although it's lower than the usual vat in europe

[Anonymous No.22265537]

need more books like ringworld and three body problem with a lot of cool sci-fi tech ideas

[Anonymous No.22265674]

>>22265121
Morrowind.

[Anonymous No.22265688]

>>22264495
Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.22265891]

>>22265511
>>22260820
Wait.... Khal drogo did not rape Danaerys. They've been lying all along.

[Anonymous No.22265957]

>>22261585
>ion thrusters
>nonsense jargon
might as well include terms like "lightbulb" and "induction motor".

[Anonymous No.22265966]

What's the general opinion of this book? Is it worth reading? What's good or bad about it?

[Anonymous No.22265971]

>>22262600
>including at a hot springs.
Japan attained cultural victory in the mid-90s. We're now living in a post-credits world.

[Anonymous No.22265983]

>>22265971
Light Novels still suck.

[Anonymous No.22265995]

>>22264084
not sff but this is kino and you should read it.

[Anonymous No.22266054]

>>22265966
>What's the general opinion of this book? Is it worth reading? What's good or bad about it?
All bad things I've heard of it is that it's a direct rip-off of Tolkien. So if you don't know Tolkien by heart, then you will just get a slightly different take on the same story. Which is basically most of the literature anyway. I'd say read it and give us your impressions.

[Anonymous No.22266287]

>>22265966
I've only seen the tv show with the super hot chicks. It was bad but I liked it.

[Anonymous No.22266293]

>>22263481
What do you mean by tranny daughter and whodunit? I also used to think that Iron Gold is trash because of the sudden influx of homosexuality but eventually I just managed to ignore it and keep reading. If you manage to get past the gay shit you’ll find that Dark Age especially is some of the best in the series.

[Anonymous No.22266307]

>>22264173
How was there more of it in the original trilogy? The only really obvious one was in Morning Star when that rich fella happened to be married to a male prostitute.

[Anonymous No.22266328]

>>22265995
More people who read SFF for adventure should read plain old adventure

[Anonymous No.22266342]

>>22263915
The Broken Sword

[Anonymous No.22266368]

>>22263915
Darksword trilogy
I actually don't remember anything about it as I only read it once over 15 years ago

[Anonymous No.22266432]

>>22265966
I read a few of these as a kid. As far as I remember they're basically just by the numbers fantasy. Farmboy, sword, bad guy, band of friends, journey, etc.. Not especially good, not especially bad.

[Anonymous No.22266448]

>>22265971
As someone who lived through the entirety of the 90s, that's really far too early.

[Anonymous No.22266569]

>>22265169
It's a fact, tranny.

[Anonymous No.22266573]

>>22265688
Sure.

[Anonymous No.22266638]

>start reading medieval fantasy book
>see the word "sandwich"
>throw book into trash

[Anonymous No.22266647]

>>22266638
Give me at least 70 examples of this.

[Anonymous No.22266658]

>>22266647
I don't remember the titles of trash.

[Anonymous No.22266670]

>>22266658
Touche'

[Anonymous No.22266702]

>>22266638
Truly you live an unfortunate life to be so easily emotionally affected by try trivial matters.

[Anonymous No.22266713]

>>22266638
Now that you mention it, I can't recall ever reading a book with a medieval-esque setting where they ate sandwiches. Now I'm going to be looking for it in the back of my mind and it's totally going to throw me off if it happens.

[Anonymous No.22266716]

>>22266702
If the author can't put the bare minimum amount of effort into writing their book, why should I waste my time reading it?

[Anonymous No.22266738]

>>22266716
Because it's silly to have minor details ruin your enjoyment. What's the point in actively trying to make yourself miserable?

[Anonymous No.22266740]

>>22266638
I looked up the history of sandwiches on Wikipedia. Aristocrats are sandwiches as a late-night snack while gaming, in the 18th century. I eat sandwiches as a late-night snack while gaming. Bros, I'm like an aristocrat.

[Anonymous No.22266748]

>>22266638
>read fantasy book set in a secondary world
>drop the book because it doesn't exactly follow the exact historical development of a different planet

[Anonymous No.22266771]

>read pulp SF
>talks about jungles on Venus
>This isn't the modern scientific consensus!
>drop book

[Anonymous No.22266773]

>>22266738
It's not minor to me.

>>22266748
Yes.

>>22266713
Now you have my curse.

[Anonymous No.22266780]

>>22266773
My condolences.

[Anonymous No.22266783]

>>22266771
Based and sciencepilled. How would a jungle even grow on Venus its like 800 degrees and there's no water?

[Anonymous No.22266802]

>read fantasy book that has women
>I only fantasize about men
>fantasy ruined - book dropped

[Anonymous No.22266821]

>>22266780
Yeah man it sucks but my SoD is easily broken, modern (in the idea that the past one or two hundred years is modern) slang is another thing that will take me out of a book.
It just kills my mood to read it.

[Anonymous No.22266820]

Malazan is good for a Tolkien clone.

[Anonymous No.22266860]

>>22264864
>Plymouth Rock in Virginia.
Plymouth Rock is in Mass, you retard. Jamestown Colony, which predated the arrival of the pilgrims by a decade, was in Virginia.

[Anonymous No.22266900]

>not considering Vinland the start of European history in the Americas.
>not caring about Leifur Eiríksson, who was born before 1000 AD
>Thinking Cristoforo Colombo matters and is anything more than a propaganda plot by the Knights of Columbus

[Anonymous No.22266902]

Everybody says read Dune but I fucking hate deserts.

[Anonymous No.22266928]

>>22266820
Please do not insult Tolkien like that.

[Anonymous No.22266933]

>>22266328
agree

[Anonymous No.22266994]

>>22266902
Probably don't read Dune then.

[Anonymous No.22267074]

>>22266820
>it has aerial wizard battles and funny named countries it must be exactly like The Lord Of The Rings

[Anonymous No.22267099]

What are some recs for fantasy stories where both the heroes and the villains are competent?

[Anonymous No.22267120]

Reminder that Lord of the Rings is very short.

[Anonymous No.22267146]

>>22267120
Still a good short story though

[Anonymous No.22267156]

>>22267146
Yeah it's nice for a brief story to kill time on public transportation.

[Anonymous No.22267203]

>>22267156
Moorcock has always been a faggot. He's the original LE SUBVERSION fantasy writer.

[Anonymous No.22267244]

>>22267156
>Equating Tolkien with Mein Kampf
Sam Hyde was unironically right: people develop goofball opinions like these because they're simply too comfortable. They've never been hit in the face with a closed fist, the trajectory of their lives never changed from extremely sheltered childhood

[Anonymous No.22267253]

I liked the gay, rape and incest in Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.

[Anonymous No.22267271]

I'm fine with warrior chicks as long as they're:
1. Likable (unless they're meant to be the villain).
2. Not being used as the writer's soapbox.
3. Believable to a certain realistic extent even in a fantasy setting (none of this '100 pound girl beating up dozens of men twice her size without using magic or magical weapons' bullshit).

[Anonymous No.22267282]

I did not understand the ramifications of bringing Sanderson to /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.22267295]

>>22267282
Who?

[Anonymous No.22267296]

>>22267282
As much as 4chan pretends to be counter-culture, they have a maniacal urge to constantly discuss the most popular media and authors. I guess to they have to talk about something, considering they don't read anything at all. Even haremlit would be a positive influence for their psyche.

[Anonymous No.22267300]

>>22267296
that silly 4chan guy, when will he learn?

[Anonymous No.22267308]

Are there any good lich books out there?

[Anonymous No.22267314]

>>22267308
BOOKS? No. Stories? Most likely. Do I remember any offhand? I do not. Forgive me.

[Anonymous No.22267316]

>>22267296
I miss the hacker known as 4chan.

[Anonymous No.22267323]

>>22267314
I just finished the pathfinder: wrath of the righteous lich storyline and I need MORE

[Anonymous No.22267336]

>>22267308
Klarkash-ton wrote a few stories.

[Anonymous No.22267342]

>>22267156
He's right though, it wouldn't disturb me at all.

[Anonymous No.22267399]

>>22262219
I was enjoying this for the most part but i dropped it halfway into book 2 when the author fell for the too many povs meme.
It's basically a ripoff of wheel of time except the mc is an actual dragon rider.
And the author is one of those weirdos who seethes over prophecies and is constantly making the characters insult the protag by saying his isn't a prohesized hero so there's no point in trusting him to save the world.

[Anonymous No.22267429]

>>22267074
>lotr
>aerial wizard battles
huh

[Anonymous No.22267959]

>>22265169
>>22264510
it's based

[Anonymous No.22267973]

I just finished the Prince of Nothing trilogy. It was just the prelude to the real shit in the next 4 books? The fuck Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22267995]

>>22267973
Nah it's not even that, it's just an excuse to get you to read his rejected phd thesis

[Anonymous No.22268063]

I have a hard time finding authors with a writing style that keeps me interested. Either the story/endgame is boring or there's just too many pages of nothing happening. Any recommendations based on my likes and dislikes?

Like:
Steven Erikson
Brandon Sanderson
Brent Weeks
George R R Martin
Evan Winters

Dislike:
J R R Tolkien
Gene Wolfe
John Scalzi
R Scott Bakker
Joe Abercrombie
Peter V Brett
Mark Lawrence
Vernor Vinge
John Gwynne
James Islington
Alastair Reynolds
James S A Corey
Frank Herbert
Glen Cook
Bryce O'Connor

[Anonymous No.22268113]

>>22268063
Please leave.

[Anonymous No.22268152]

>>22268113
I really try to like some of the other authors like Gene Wolfe or Frank Herbert but I just lose interest so quickly. I know they are great authors I just don't enjoy their style.

[Anonymous No.22268161]

>there's just too many pages of nothing happening
>Like: Brandon Sanderson

[Anonymous No.22268217]

>>22268063
You need to figure out why you actually like and dislike those authors, because your stated reasons don't jive with the list.

[Anonymous No.22268246]

>>22268063
Do you watch a lot of television?

[Anonymous No.22268263]

>>22268063
Patrick Rothfuss
Brian Staveley
Koushun Takami
Ken Liu

[Anonymous No.22268269]

>>22268063

[Anonymous No.22268281]

>>22268246
Why yes I do. Could it be that my attention span is shot?

[Anonymous No.22268306]

>>22268281
Not just attention span, but it trains you to a structure that works for its medium but maybe isn't the best for books

[Anonymous No.22268309]

>>22268281
>gigachad
Oh you're a teen. Of course you have shit attention span.

[Anonymous No.22268333]

>>22268306
When I find a book I like, I can't get enough and I can read it all day until I finish it no problem. If I don't immediately love it then I never end up loving it. I always read at least one entire book before I judge it or the author though.

[Anonymous No.22268336]

I can awake up, start something, then continuing doing it until I fall asleep. Is my attention span too good?

[Anonymous No.22268369]

>>22265121
Stange Relations, judging by one cover

[Anonymous No.22268371]

>>22268336
If the thing is prose composition or piano practice or math, yeah. If it's video games no, everyone can do that, they're designed for it.

[Anonymous No.22268387]

>>22264704
not really, its very bland

[Anonymous No.22268456]

>>22260820
I am writting a fantasy setting
For now it's just for fun
But I do see myself in some years, publishing stories set in
I've created a race of immortal beings (not elves, more like Jack Kirby's Eternals and New Gods) and I would very much like for them to have their own language
Doesn't need to be fully realised, but some coherence and logic to it would be cool
But since I am no linguist, that won't be possible
So I am thinking about using some already made-up language (fucking pig latin is just to generic, so no)
And I quite like Quenya and Sindarin
I don't think the Tolkien estate has that shit copyrigthed
But regardless, my main concern here would be if that was a respectful attitude towards Tolkien and what would the audience think of it...

[Anonymous No.22268502]

>>22268456
Making up languages is its own thing, there are reddits and stackexchanges for it. also you can't copyright a language, you can use Sindarin, you can go to the conlang reddit and steal some autist's, you can use Volapuk or Solresol whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.22268582]

>>22267120
I forgot how massive the glossary is in TUC.

[Anonymous No.22268680]

>>22260820
Any recent book with an antagonist similar to Muzan?

[Anonymous No.22268715]

philip k dick more like pickle r rick lole

[Anonymous No.22268724]

Recommend me science fiction about corruption

[Anonymous No.22268745]

>>22266902
Skip the first three books

[Anonymous No.22268781]

>>22268724
In what context do you mean?

[Anonymous No.22268785]

>>22268781
Economic/political corruption

[Anonymous No.22268953]

>>22266902
I fucking hate deserts too, but I still read it.

[Anonymous No.22268993]

>>22268785
Well, I don't know how prominent you want it to be, but here's some suggestions:

The Centenal Cycle, primarily about voting and an experiment in radical representative democracy. Corruption is of course present.

The Grand Ilusion, almost entirely about the workings of a government in a secondary world. Much corruption.

Imager, particular the last sequence about running a government

Jennifer Government /Company, a few other books by the author. Satire on corruption/incompetence.

Terra Ignota. It's not apparent right away, but corruption in a major part.

The Traitor Baru Cormorant, mostly on the first book where the protagonist is corrupting the government they're involved with

The Dandelion Dynasty, the solution to corruption is to kill them all

A Song of Ice and Fire works I suppose, and the books outside the main series

The Will of the Many is mostly revenge, though corruption is also involved

The Goblin Emperor could work

The Age of Madness has this as a focus

There's a lot depending on the definition. If you meant something else, none of these may work. If you need more info let me know.

[Anonymous No.22269000]

Unpopular Opinion, but Dune and Star Wars are two of the most subversive scifi stories ever. They completely twist the tropes and themes of science fiction around until it resembles modern art.

[Anonymous No.22269002]

>>22268993
I can provide various others on request as well.

[Anonymous No.22269009]

I always loved how in Lord of The Rings, the real heroes are powerless little Hobbits who carry out the most crucial quests in the mission to defeat Sauron. Whereas the more stereotypical heroes like Aragon (the rightful King returning), the elf, and the demigod just act as support or distractions.

[Anonymous No.22269010]

>>22268063
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.22269072]

>>22269009
It's very Christian.

[Anonymous No.22269075]

>>22269000
That's not so much unpopular as nonsensical.

[Anonymous No.22269076]

>>22269072
based

[Anonymous No.22269089]

>>22269076
You're based for saying it's based!

[Anonymous No.22269122]

I figured it may be a fun idea to go on a hipstery adventure hunting for obscure fantasy, and even late eighties are horrific. Nothing is scanned, nothing is sold as ebooks, second hand print copies are a crapshoot. There literally were zero assholes committed to archiving.

[Anonymous No.22269127]

>>22268993
I said science fiction

[Anonymous No.22269142]

>>22269075
It makes perfect sense. Both are about a bunch of religiously motivated "eastern" warriors with magical powers defeating the technological western empire.

That's a middle finger to all themes Scifi loves. The triumph of the atheist, technologically advanced, brave and intelligent West is completely inverted.

[Anonymous No.22269159]

>>22269122
Do NOT go searching for R A Lafferty books. Me and Kneel Gayman have hoarded them all.

[Anonymous No.22269177]

>>22267995
>As The Prince of Nothing trilogy was being published circa. 2003-06 and Bakker experienced his initial rise in popularity, he participated frequently with fans at the now read-only Three-Seas forum. During this time Bakker consistently began to formulate and popularize what would eventually become the foundation for his Blind Brain Theory and Heuristic Neglect Theory then focusing on how studies of human cognitive biases generally and eventually on their impact on academic Philosophy and the greater humanities.
kek you're right
>>22267973
it's aight.

[Anonymous No.22269198]

>>22269159
This shit is overwhelming, and I'm certainly not finding it funny. Who knows how much delicious slop I'm missing.

[Anonymous No.22269208]

>>22269127
Some of those are science fiction. If you specifically meant space opera should've said so.

[Anonymous No.22269211]

>>22269198
Would love to know some obscure old fantasy books no one cares about. Send some my way breh

[Anonymous No.22269213]

>>22268724
Literally any human-centric Warhammer 40k book. Maybe the later books of Red Rising series as well.

[Anonymous No.22269215]

>>22269142
You have some weird ideas about what SF is about.

[Anonymous No.22269224]

>>22269211
Anon, the list is seemingly infinite. And I literally only checked 1988-89. I dunno, https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2238814..

[Anonymous No.22269233]

>>22269224
>has a good read about it
>has reviews on good read
>book can be easily found, bought and is cheap
not rare enough. go deeper for me please.

[Anonymous No.22269237]

>>22269233
I wouldn't be able to shill you anything "obscure" at this point anyway, because even if I were to buy what can be bought (and for cheap is a consideration for me), shit would take time. The fact this needs to be done is already a catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.22269246]

>>22269237
just shill me stuff, nigga. send me rare sword and sorcery shit like Imaro. I'm also obsessed with clowns. What books have jesters and shit in them. I just drank a bunch of coffee help me out damn

[Anonymous No.22269260]

>>22269233
nta, but to achieve all those the book would have to be something self-published and physical only that has only a few self-printed copies or something on an ancient abandoned obscure blog.

[Anonymous No.22269264]

>>22269246
Wow, I caught something that's easily stolen. One out of ten series ffs.
https://www.risingshadow.net/book/3575-a-name-to-conjure-with

[Anonymous No.22269267]

>>22269208
Retard

[Anonymous No.22269289]

>>22269215
I have the right ideas. It's a genre made by and for fascists in the 30s.

[Anonymous No.22269291]

>>22261352
>Witcher
I read the short story books and enjoyed them. Seemed pulp action or intrigue with some bits of moral lessons. Reminded me of Vampire Hunter D which I adore. Some day I'll dig into the actual series.

>>22261484
>Dark Tower
I read the whole thing and I regret all of it deeply. I never read the author before, and never will again. He is not an author, he is a screenplay writer, without an editor to reign him in, with a "print" button on his keyboard. He is gross and unorganized, and he does not deserve to be read.
The only part I liked was Blaine the Mono: An AI monorail who went insane and then Gollum-riddles the fellowship. That might work well as a short story if anybody wants to steal it.

[Anonymous No.22269318]

>>22269291
>I read the whole thing and I regret all of it deeply. I never read the author before, and never will again. He is not an author, he is a screenplay writer, without an editor to reign him in, with a "print" button on his keyboard. He is gross and unorganized, and he does not deserve to be read.
Dark Tower sucks big dick, but his The Eyes of the Dragon was a suprisingly interesting book, one self-contained fantasy story that feels like a combination of a few classics with engaging writing. I dislike King, but this one book I'd always recommend.

[Anonymous No.22269425]

>>22267244
Moorcock grew up in the gang infested ruins of bombed out post war London
Sam Hyde is a cringey failed comedian trust fund kiddie art school dropout who had become an Internet father figure to weak zoomers who need to take the advice of other men
Faggot

[Anonymous No.22269618]

>>22267120
>58k glossary

[Anonymous No.22269669]

New Thread

>>22269668
>>22269668

[Anonymous No.22269811]

>>22263915
The Worm Ouroboros

[Anonymous No.22269945]

[Anonymous No.22270159]

>>22269289
I don't remember Hitler being a prolific scifi writer.

[Anonymous No.22270249]

>>22268502
the question not if I could, but if I should?
still thx for those pointers