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>listening to Yale lectures of the Gospel of John while reading it with a study Bible
>Full disclaimer up front: I’m an atheist. I’m not trying to convert anyone.

The Gospel of John has to be the greatest literature ever written, right? It’s obviously composed in a literary manner and not a biographical one. It’s legitimately brilliant and suffused with such rich symbolism. It’s a masterwork. Verses that don’t make any sense upon cursory examination bloom when you discover the context or reference it’s making to something from the Old Testament.

I’m totally fascinated by it and have reread it like literally 4 times in the past two months. it’s like reading Beethoven’s 3rd in prose.

>> No.22259699

>>22259644
Based. Now read the Church fathers for even more literary and spiritual depth in the NT. But yeah John is my favorite of the gospels.

>> No.22259705

>>22259644
>The Gospel of John has to be the greatest literature ever written, right?

What? I just read it myself and found the whole thing flat and dull.

>> No.22259750

John > Matthew > Luke > Mark
Matthew has Sermon of the Mount
Luke has Nativity, the Penitent Thief and Parables
Mark has nothing special

>> No.22259762

>>22259750
Mark is known for the eschatology. Mark is also the most rudimentary because it was the first written that combined the Q source and the Book of Signs and was supposed to be used to explain the narrative succinctly as possibly for illiterate Hellenes who weren’t familiar with Hebrew religion.

>> No.22259781

>>22259750
I like Luke and Acts because of all the Hellenic references to Plato, Hesiod, and Aesop which makes sense because Luke was a Greek and not a Jew..

>> No.22259789

>>22259644
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

>> No.22259811

>tfw no goth gf to take me as a war husband and rape me after sacking my city

>> No.22259820

>>22259762
Hmmm. I thought John was the most eschatological, since John also wrote Revelations.

>> No.22259863

>>22259644
I like Mark
None of that Christmas faggotry and he left it open to interpretation why the tomb was empty

>> No.22260072

>>22259820
In terms of gospel

>> No.22260125

>>22259644
Link to the Yale lectures? Sounds cool.

>> No.22260296

>>22259644
haha goths sacking rome i understood that reference

>> No.22260306

>>22259644
Nice, there's hope for you yet anon. Someday you might even stop calling yourself an atheist.

>> No.22260588

>>22259644
Job, Jonah, Cain and Abel are all pretty good if you get good translations.
I like Greenstein's translation of Job the best. But i don't know if i always agree with his commentary. His biggest contribution is positing that the last line of Job is not Job admitting to being wrong about God, but an exasperated frustration with the suffering of humanity.

The story becomes more about Job's willingness to say the truth against corrupt power that causes unjustified suffering.

>> No.22260802

>>22259820
you got your johns mixed up anon

>> No.22260828

>>22259699
Murderer and torturer.

>> No.22261564

I thought (((Yale))) systemically hates Christianity.

>> No.22261596

>>22259644
>Verses that don’t make any sense upon cursory examination bloom when you discover the context or reference it’s making to something from the Old Testament
Wow how mindblowing. Literally all of late Second Temple Jewish/Christian literature is exactly the same shit. They all obsessively read the OT and were constantly referencing it cryptically. You can equally find the dense symbolism in Enoch or the Gospel of Thomas or whatever.
For my money the author of Mark is the best gospel writer, given he likely pioneered the genre and the invention that required, plus his use of chiasmus as well as being fascinatingly mysterious
Plus gJohn is a composite text, and weirdly out of order.