Does /lit/ like the oxford comma?

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Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:05:27 2023 No.22238535 [Reply] [Original]

Does /lit/ like the oxford comma?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:07:45 2023 No.22238542 >>22238535 This is ridiculous, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:09:36 2023 No.22238547 >>22238535 Cute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:22:56 2023 No.22238586 >>22238535 Yes I use an Oxford comma, though i feel like I'm in the minority. I don't know why people don't use it more. Some claim it increases the "flow" of a sentence which is just bull shit for the reason in OP

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:22:59 2023 No.22238587 >>22238535 Always, and anyone who picks me up on it can go fuck themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:24:57 2023 No.22238592 I use it when creating lists

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:27:14 2023 No.22238597 >>22238535 If I see this in an email or an article I consider it a typo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:30:24 2023 No.22238607 >>22238597 I consider you putting an before article a typo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:32:07 2023 No.22238614 >>22238535 Unnecessary punctuation is excessive punctuation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:34:16 2023 No.22238619 >>22238586 >this dude would read the second sentence and actually think someone was talking to a piece of toast and a glass of orange juice You're retarded.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:38:16 2023 No.22238630

>>22238619
But it does have a vocative feel to it. And even besides that, you could also take it to mean that it's toast-and-orange juice, i.e., they made juice out of both the toast and orange.

People who don't use Oxford commas are pants-on-head-retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:38:26 2023 No.22238631 Keep the comma, drop the 'and'. >I had eggs, toast, orange juice. The 'and' is bloat. Change my mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:41:55 2023 No.22238646 >>22238631 List ending signifier, tells the reader not to expect more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:42:45 2023 No.22238650 Drop the comma, add an 'and'. >I had eggs and toast and orange juice. The comma is bloat. Change my mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:42:58 2023 No.22238651 >>22238607 "If I see this in an email or article" Nope it feels wrong, smug even

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:44:19 2023 No.22238654 >>22238651 Saying "an" twice just seems unnecessarily weighty and stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:44:33 2023 No.22238655 >>22238535 It's banned in Germany, so I don't use it. I also don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:46:10 2023 No.22238665 >>22238654 It's sturdy. Robust.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:49:04 2023 No.22238678 >>22238655 Based and correct Is there any hope of bringing the ß back? My German girlfriend assures me it wasn‘t removed from most words in regular use because of an insidious anglo plot but I‘m not sure I believe her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:49:34 2023 No.22238680 >>22238665 I stand by my comment. It's unnecessary. You're writing an email to someone, not authoring a novel. The style is irrelevant. The less words, the better. Economy of speech.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:50:43 2023 No.22238683 >>22238678 They still use it. Have you studied German or read any current newspapers? It's still in use. Lese deutsche Zeitungen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:56:58 2023 No.22238705 >>22238535 Yes. Nelson Mandela is not a dildo collector, at least that I know of.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:57:26 2023 No.22238706 No one cares as long as you adopt a style and stick to it throughout the book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:58:14 2023 No.22238711 >>22238706 >adopt just one style >Ulysses exists in your path

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 18:58:30 2023 No.22238713 >>22238680 Ok. Tom Sneed Deputy Project Manager 9051425565

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:00:24 2023 No.22238722 >>22238713 Yes. Joe Feed Director "Do what you can with what you have."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:02:24 2023 No.22238727 >>22238535 I used it for a while and then my professor more or less told us to stop using it it's ridiculous and I came around.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:05:26 2023 No.22238736

>>22238727
Why not just get rid of all punctuation then? Fuck commas, right? Who needs them? If we're getting rid of the most important comma, the Oxford comma, might as well do away with all of them. Let people figure it out for themselves, right?

Your professor is a retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:07:14 2023 No.22238743 >>22238607 I consider your writing "you putting" instead of "your putting" a typo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:07:31 2023 No.22238744 >>22238535 isn't that precisely one of the uses of semicolon? >I had eggs, bread; and orange juice. thought an small pause is implied with it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:07:31 2023 No.22238745

>>22238680
>I stand by my comment. It's unnecessary. You're writing an email to someone, not authoring a novel. The style is irrelevant. The less words, the better. Economy of speech.
I maintain my argument; it’s redundant. You're writing an email, be economical.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:08:25 2023 No.22238747 File: 3.84 MB, 7040x5300, C0770BEF-DA29-483F-90E8-4D3FC905FB32.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238535

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:08:31 2023 No.22238748 >>22238745 >>22238680 fucking nerds

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:08:46 2023 No.22238749 File: 424 KB, 1077x985, 1675088069566059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238744 Please be bait. Please be bait. Please be bait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:09:22 2023 No.22238752 >>22238744 No

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:09:39 2023 No.22238753 >>22238744 Semicolon is for 2 sentences that can are related

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:10:43 2023 No.22238757 >>22238683 >from most words in regular use

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:11:03 2023 No.22238758 >>22238535 I had no idea the second option was even a thing. Why call it the "Oxford Comma" instead of just calling it correct grammar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:13:37 2023 No.22238773 >>22238745 If you use a semicolon in an email or god forbid any turns of phrase like "per se" you're liable to get beat up in the parking lot.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:13:44 2023 No.22238774

>>22238745
That's what I just said. Removing the second "an" WOULD be economical. And why did you use a semicolon in one sentence and a comma for a similar construction? Do you have eyes? That's a glaring inconsistency. I can proofread your emails for you if you'd like.
>>22238748
You don't even know. I bought the Cambridge Grammar of the English language. Try me, bitch.
>>22238757
Okay, like which words? I've studied German and am fluent in reading it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:14:17 2023 No.22238776 File: 3.82 MB, 1920x1080, FA3FB44C-CCB4-4B1F-BD67-0D17603AC997.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:14:57 2023 No.22238778 File: 30 KB, 974x193, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238749 >>22238752 >>22238753 got a little confused there, it requires an element of a list to have internal punctuation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:17:11 2023 No.22238786 >>22238778 Yeah, you shouldn't do grammar. Leave it to me, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:21:29 2023 No.22238795 >>22238535 But the sentence with the comma can be interpreted as saying that you had eggs and orange juice, and that you're talking to a piece of toast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:24:39 2023 No.22238805 >>22238795 are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:25:01 2023 No.22238808 >>22238795 Just stop.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:27:00 2023 No.22238813 >>22238805 >>22238808 Lmao the butthurt

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:29:12 2023 No.22238818 >>22238744 No. Nononononononononononono. N. O.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:30:45 2023 No.22238826 >>22238744 What the fuck.

>>	Anonymousn Sat Jul 8 19:39:37 2023 No.22238859 >>22238795 True. I would edit it thus: >I had eggs, had toast, and had orange juice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:40:57 2023 No.22238868 >>22238859 That is so bad. Are you the guy who wrote the second "an"? That is so repetitive and redundant. No one would even assume there that you're talking to a fucking piece of toast. >had, had, and had What the fuck.

Anonymousn Sat Jul 8 19:46:44 2023 No.22238890 [DELETED]

>>22238868
No, I'm not the 'an' guy.

I think the repetition is effective. It evokes the repetitive chewings and swallowings involved in breakfast. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_(rhetorical_device) if you're not familiar -- and it seems you're clearly not.

If you wished to avoid the repetition, I would suggest:
>I had eggs, as well as toast, and additionally orange juice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:48:33 2023 No.22238899 >>22238774 Daß to dass is the one we were discussing.

Anonymousn Sat Jul 8 19:48:46 2023 No.22238900

>>22238868
No, I'm not the 'an' guy.

I think the repetition is effective. It evokes the repetitive chewings and swallowings involved in breakfast. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_(rhetorical_device) if you're not familiar -- and it seems you're clearly not.

If you wished to avoid the repetition, I would suggest:
>I had eggs, and ate toast, and drank orange juice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:49:29 2023 No.22238904 >>22238900 Ah you're the guy that doesn't proofread his posts. We all know you.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 19:50:59 2023 No.22238916

>>22238899
But you didn't specify that...?
>>22238900
I'm familiar with repetition. Please don't be patronizing and link me to a Wikipedia page. That's cute.
Again, your example sentence is unnecessarily repetitive and tedious. If you want to be pedantic without being stupid, you would just write it thus:
>I had eggs along with toast and orange juice.

Anonymousn Sat Jul 8 20:04:52 2023 No.22238982

>>22238916
I'm literally laughing at how wrong you are. I'm laughing at the misplaced confidence of your post. I would be extremely embarrassed if I were you.

>>22238916
>I had eggs along with toast and orange juice.
This is absurd. You're describing someone simultaneously pouring eggs, toast, and orange juice into their mouth. A repulsive image, and a misleading one.

However, I think I have come up with the most elegant solution to the problem:
>Eggs I had, and toast and orange juice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:10:16 2023 No.22239006 I had eggs with toast and orange juice

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:11:27 2023 No.22239018 >>22239006 Clown

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:12:33 2023 No.22239022 Oxford comma or no comma at all. Either lean into structure as style, or drop the handholding all together. No halfway shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:19:22 2023 No.22239050 >>22238982 That's not it at all. Back to barracks with you, Kinch. Not it at all. >Eggs I had What is this? A Shakespearean play?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:22:06 2023 No.22239061 >>22238535 >I had breakfast Nobody gives a shit what you ate. Get on with the story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:24:28 2023 No.22239070 File: 24 KB, 336x261, i_kekd_5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22239050 >Back to barracks with you, Kinch. Ooh, it burns!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:35:07 2023 No.22239105 >>22239006 OH NO NO NO NO Now some smug redditor is going to draw a cartoon of a man, anthropomorphic toast, and anthropomorphic orange juice sitting around a table eating eggs!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:38:15 2023 No.22239120 >>22239105 *a man and an anthropomorphic toast and an anthropomorphic orange juice

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:41:45 2023 No.22239141 >>22238646 that's what the period is for

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:44:25 2023 No.22239156 >>22239141 Not always the case.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:53:01 2023 No.22239207

>>22238619
It's a silly example to get the point across, a more realistic example of a sentence that could be misread without the oxford comma is
>Mark, John, and James went to the store.
>Mark, John and James went to the store.
The first is example is telling something that three people went to the store. The second example is telling Mark who went to the store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:54:49 2023 No.22239221 >>22239207 >Mark, John and James all went to the store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:56:35 2023 No.22239227 >>22239221 >Mark, John, James and David all went to the store.

>>	Anonymousn Sat Jul 8 20:57:49 2023 No.22239233 File: 3.68 MB, 3618x2554, DP818330.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238747 Saving this to admire later tonight once the edibles kick in. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 20:59:00 2023 No.22239244 How do you properly use a semicolon in a list?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:04:01 2023 No.22239268 >>22238619 Rude. But how is that not clear? >A, B and C This means A AND B and C >A, B, and C This means A AND B AND C The Oxford comma is just clearer

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:13:59 2023 No.22239300 Use the Oxford comma or I will kill you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:28:05 2023 No.22239353 Keep the comma, drop the 'eggs'. I had, toast, and orange juice Eggs are bloat. Change my mind.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:33:30 2023 No.22239374
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>mfw swiping right on the 1,000,000th woman's profile in three days that references the oxford comma while thinking about how if she matches i will have to pretend she's not an unoriginal dullard for an entire evening, and perhaps, if we're lucky, through an entire marriage and life together

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:38:15 2023 No.22239397 >>22239105 anthropomorphic is an odd name but the toast family were never all that normal to begin with

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:48:28 2023 No.22239444 >>22238535 I only use it if there is genuine confusion that could arise by not including it. Rare, but it happens

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 21:58:11 2023 No.22239499 >>22238680 >less

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:25:27 2023 No.22239907 File: 223 KB, 500x378, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22239499 >the fewer words

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:29:46 2023 No.22239932

>punctuation thread which actually offers content slowly drifts out of the catalog
>punctuation thread which only offers memes and hot takes stays on first page
/lit/ is just reveling in its own failure at this point and has no desire to be more than a failure.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:34:08 2023 No.22239950

>>22239207
if you're talking to mark why the fuck would he mistake himself as a subject in Your sentence? This is the same level of contrived reasoning as the "literal" police thinking tower of babel level mayhem will ensue if people didn't speak 100% unambiguously

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:37:03 2023 No.22239964 >>22238535 There is zero reason NOT to use the oxford comma. It prevents any potential confusion and takes little to no effort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:38:05 2023 No.22239970 >>22239932 >/lit/ is just reveling in its own failure at this point no /lit/ is bitching about itself as usual

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:40:56 2023 No.22239979 >>22239970 So that is a yes, /lit/ is reveling in its failure at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:42:01 2023 No.22239983 >>22238650 mccarthy smiling in his grave

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:44:25 2023 No.22239996 >>22238650 >replace 1 character (,) with 3 (and) >comma is bloat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:46:02 2023 No.22240002 >>22239996 that thought occurred to everyone that saw that post in the last 5 hours but we all had the restraint not to post something so inane. all of us except you.

Anonymous Sat Jul 8 23:50:01 2023 No.22240019

>>22238650
The eggs are on the toast or consumed together, they are a single entity while the orange juice stays separate and is not consumed with the eggs and toast but along the eggs and toast. Serial ands is ambiguous and leaves open the possibility that the consumer dumped the orange juice on the eggs and toast. Both have their uses but leave it to a McCarthy fag to miss the nuance. Ambiguity is not always wanted and McCarthy avoided such ambiguity for good reason, we always know the context of his ands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 00:12:12 2023 No.22240100 >>22240002 The thought of that thought occurred to everyone who saw my post in the last 30 minutes but everyone had the restraint to post something so insane. Everyone except you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 00:13:29 2023 No.22240102 >>22238650 The extra "and" is far worse than any comma.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 00:30:26 2023 No.22240177 >>22238535 Yes, but I stick out like a sore thumb when I use it so I try to cut back even though it hurts.

Anonymous Sun Jul 9 00:39:47 2023 No.22240216

>>22238619
I work in a profession where we send lots of emails to Brits (I am American). If you don't use an Oxford Comma the Brits WILL combine the ultimate and penultimate items in the list. Americans will confirm that they're separate, Brits will just assume that it's some kind of bizarre mish-mash of the two.

Yes, Brits are the ones who are most against the Oxford Comma, yes this is just as absurd as putting a "u" in random words or adding an "e" at the end of ever word that ends in "r".

>>22238631
>>22238646
>>22239141
>>22239156
"And" is for spoken lists. Yes, it is superfluous in writing, but it's not for writing, it's for speech.

>>22238758
Because in spoken language you can tell what the last item in the list is because it follows "and". In writing, however, you can't do that. In pre-modern English (and European writing as a whole) conventions regarding lists weren't fixed. The non-Oxford-Comma method is a holdover of that, and is meant to mimic speech. Think of "and" as a spoken comma.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 00:45:11 2023 No.22240228 >>22240216 >this is just as absurd as putting a "u" in random words or adding an "e" at the end of ever word that ends in "r" It's the British way of acknowledging etymology, which Americans are too uncultured to care about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 01:10:05 2023 No.22240294 >>22238680 Why use many word when fewer do trick?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 01:26:49 2023 No.22240351 >>22240228 Like adding an H to "Thames" to make it look Greek?

Anonymous Sun Jul 9 01:36:36 2023 No.22240372

>>22240019
Yeah. Recently, I have been making a conscious effort to structure my lists in a logical manner. I group together items that belong to the same category, such as eggs and toast, while keeping separate or different group items, like orange juice, listed independently.
>I had eggs and toast, orange juice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 01:39:18 2023 No.22240379 >>22240372 >fails this hard Short bus is that way >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 12:55:32 2023 No.22241802 >>22240351 I thought that was a hold over from the "thorn"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 13:20:47 2023 No.22241887 >>22241802 wouldnt that make it the Yames

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 13:27:11 2023 No.22241905 >>22238683 *Lies deutsche Zeitungen. Imperativ.

Anonymous Sun Jul 9 13:34:16 2023 No.22241931

>>22238535
Using the oxford comma becomes a standard thing if you use it as if you're actually 'talking' when writing. It's a little pause in your talking to break up the rhythm.

Without
>I went to the store and bought some juice and went home and drank the juice.
or
>I went to the store. I bought some juice. I went home. I drank the juice.
or
>I went to the store where I bought some juice after which I went home and drank it.

With:
I went to the store, bought some juice, went home, and then drank it.
or
I went to the store [PAUSE] bought some juice [PAUSE] went home [PAUSE] and drank it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 9 13:36:17 2023 No.22241938

>>22241931
cont.

The difference between the great writers and the average writer is that you should have a 'feeling' for what you want to say, and then you're pouring that into text via writing. (PS: I used an oxford comma there (and here too), did you notice? Doesn't it sound nice? Yeah, that's what it's for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 14:09:40 2023 No.22242044 File: 589 KB, 569x621, Mark.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238535 Wait, people don't use the Oxford comma?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 14:11:13 2023 No.22242048 File: 41 KB, 512x564, 1675598263517233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22241938 >cont. dude shut up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 14:14:08 2023 No.22242058 >>22240351 But then you'd create conflict like "Gregory tames ferrets on the banks of the Tames"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 14:25:44 2023 No.22242097 None of this matters if you understand what someone is writing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 14:57:28 2023 No.22242187 >>22238535 At every opportunity. It's less shit to do, impresses the midwit and triggers the pedantic autismo. A use case at every corner.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 15:03:55 2023 No.22242204 >>22241938 >cont. bruh no one cares

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 16:20:44 2023 No.22242428 >>22242048 >>22242204 hahaha, I care. I'm genuinely laughing. You guys are stupid haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 16:24:32 2023 No.22242437 >>22241887 Kek, calling it this now. Shout out to that one anon who introduced me to pronouncing Keats to rhyme with Yeats and wike wersa

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 17:00:41 2023 No.22242581 >>22242044 People don't, use the Oxford comma.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 17:49:19 2023 No.22242793 >>22238631 The Reverse Cormac

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 22:55:20 2023 No.22243835 >>22242058 I miss old Gregory like you wouldn't believe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 22:56:20 2023 No.22243837 >>22242581 It's cute when iliterates try to fit in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 22:57:09 2023 No.22243839 >>22243837 >he never did

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 22:59:52 2023 No.22243847 >>22243837 >iliterates Excuse me while I kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 9 23:07:09 2023 No.22243873 I toasted eggs with; orange juice .

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 02:38:42 2023 No.22244584 ehem FUCK YOU I LIKE IT IT'S NOT ALWAYS 'OBVIOUS'

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 02:42:02 2023 No.22244590 >>22243847 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 02:57:34 2023 No.22244640 >>22238535 Situational, arbitrary, --who gives a fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 03:06:40 2023 No.22244667 English is the most retarded language

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 03:06:54 2023 No.22244668 >>22238743 I consider your writing "I consider your writing "you putting" instead of "your putting" a typo" instead of "I consider your writing "you putting" instead of "your putting" to be a typo" to be a typo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 03:10:36 2023 No.22244674 >>22238747 >>22239233 pray tell anons, what are these interesting pictures?

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 03:51:35 2023 No.22244786
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>>22238535
I always used to use the Oxford comma as a child, but they taught us in school not to use it, so now I seldom, if *ever,* use it immediately prior to "and;" also, I use semi-colons in just about every sentence I can (and parenthesis -- or double-hyphens -- as a sort of "fuck you" to everything (((THEY))) stand for), and (and that was one of the few instances I'll ever use anything like an "Oxford Comma") I nest my punctuation *inside* of said parenthesis, as you can see... oh, and I also like to use ellipsis (just like that) and write run-on sentences, just like John Ralph Reuel Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 03:59:36 2023 No.22244812 >>22238535 Always. It feels and sounds lovely. The alternative seems forced and awkward.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 04:39:27 2023 No.22244949 >>22243873 No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 04:50:53 2023 No.22244988 >>22238535 I like to leave a little something open to interpretation for future historians to argue over

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 07:08:35 2023 No.22245324 >>22244988 Nice..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 07:58:50 2023 No.22245442 >>22238631 Drop all the commas >I had eggs and toast and orange juice See? All cleared up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 09:23:57 2023 No.22245574 >>22239141 This is extremely degenerate. Good prose doesn't depend on orthography to be good, it sounds good when read out loud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 09:33:56 2023 No.22245590 >>22238535 If you need the oxford comma to parse a sentence you're retarded (or an ESL who should git gud)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 10:04:06 2023 No.22245630 >>22242204 You imbecilic fucking nigger we're in a thread about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 10:06:08 2023 No.22245633 Red and light blue aint no american flag chief.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 11:11:47 2023 No.22245741 >>22238586 >Some claim it increases the "flow" of a sentence "Fuck! I was on a roll but then this one comma just happened. Literally wtf??" Honestly, these people shouldn't be alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 11:23:31 2023 No.22245761 Ich hatte Eier, Toast und Orangensaft. Ich hatte Eier -Toast - und Orangensaft.

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 11:59:29 2023 No.22245840

English major here, currently studying for a PhD in applied linguistics. There's a common saying: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". But I'm afraid that there is only one objectively correct way of writing this sentence, and it is as follows:

>"I had: eggs; toast; (and orange juice)."

The eggs and the toast are separate items contained within one section of the breakfast, namely the "food" section. Technically the author could have had the eggs as a liquid, i.e., egg yolks in a glass. However, we will ignore that potentiality for the moment. So, the eggs and toast are syntactically united in the same portion of the sentence, but separated only to the extent that they are acknowledged as unique ontological objects. The inclusion of the orange juice in the breakfast (which, let's face it, wouldn't be much of a breakfast without some good ol' fashioned "OJ") really does present a challenging predicament for the literary purist. "D-Do I j-just list it?" he asks himself, looking away from his computer screen wide-eyed like a student confronted with a particularly difficult exam question while seated in a large hall populated mainly by his fellow students, all of whom seem to be working through the paper with ease. "No!" the answer thunders, as an exam invigilator (often a PhD student, former teacher, part-time teacher or an individual with some experience in an academic setting; which is to say someone who should have some kind of insight into the proper deployment of grammar and syntax) slams down a rolled-up newspaper on his small desk (the kind which a student may only enter sideways, and may only exit in the same fashion, as though he were a stage actor preparing for a role which involves moving in and out of a vehicle, and whose superiors have decided that such a desk would be appropriate for him to use while the more elaborate fake-car set design is being manufactured for use in performances proper. The student recoils, his lips a-tremble, looking up with the terror of an Old Testament first-born. "W-what then sh-should I do?" he barely voices. Well, as I have said: the answer is simple: "I had: eggs; toast; (and orange juice)". I whisper this to him, bending down just enough so that my C-cups brush his shoulder. I whisper it slowly, watching through hooded eyes as he obediently writes down the answer, which will earn him not just the top answer for that particular question (one or two alternative forms of the sentence would have done the same), but will compel the examiner marking the paper to make a prolonged, cartoonish "huuuh?" sound as his eyebrows literally float up his forehead and into the air above his head, and rush (his first few footfalls skidding from the floor, precluding any forward movement, again in a cartoonish manner (one might imagine a kind of gradually increasing whooping sound as he does this)) to inform his friend, a professor of advanced logic and an expert in matters linguistic about the precoscious feat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 12:05:29 2023 No.22245855 >>22238899 but this convention is the one that would actually make the ß useless. the way it is now in german is that ß signifies a long vowel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 12:08:12 2023 No.22245864 >>22238678 yeah its only in obscure esoteric words like straße

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 14:04:07 2023 No.22246121 >>22244668 i think you should consider going to therapy for severe autism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 14:27:44 2023 No.22246191 >>22238650 You are going to hell for this, I hope you know that.

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 16:58:21 2023 No.22246623
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>>22238727
>my professor

wow, chances are you're a grown man who hasn't mastered his literacy - and you're in a place of higher education.

>>22238535
>>22238586
you've almost convinced me to adopt this just out of spite ... I'm thinking that other languages don't have punctuation in the first place and they manage quite well.. so either this is true:

>>22238736
>Why not just get rid of all punctuation then? Fuck commas, right
which it could be

or

using the oxford comma allows ESL to better understand. English is kind of a mess to structure to begin with, even if it's written by someone who actually can write to a reasonable basic early 1700's level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:02:17 2023 No.22246636 >>22238650 psht correct version: I had Eggs with Toast, and some Orange Juice. I had Eggs, with a pinch of salt and a dash of hot sauce, with some Toast, and some Orange Juice, with a splash of Vodka.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:04:15 2023 No.22246641 I had eggs, toast, milk, orange, juice, bacon, butter, frosted grahams, a spoon, an egg cup, a plate, a bottle of hot sauce, salt, a knife, television, slippers, newspaper, dog.

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:16:04 2023 No.22246678

>>22238727
>>my professor
His breath reeked of cheap beer, and he sat beside me, slurring his speech as he attempted to convey his reasoning, "look," he said, "you and I both know it's right, but you've got to think of them," and he offered me a swig from his flask which I declined, "who do you mean, 'them'?" I asked. He wiped the whiskey from his lips on his jacket sleeve, "you know, 'them', the American Niggers," and he added, "of any colour."

"One day..." he stammered, "we- we'll take back the colonies and bomb them."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:20:07 2023 No.22246691 >>22238535 Lol... As if anyone is thick enough to interpret the latter sentence that way. And for the most part I don't use it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:24:54 2023 No.22246706 rolls eyes

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:43:50 2023 No.22246763

>>22246691
his tongue lolled from his mouth, "As if anyone is thick enough to interpret the latter sentence that way," what was he talking about? He had stopped talking. IN fact several minutes had passed before he returned and said with no context whatsoever, "and for the most part I don't use it" what was he talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:45:03 2023 No.22246766 >>22238736 Based Ancient Greek author

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:45:43 2023 No.22246769

>>22246706
his eyes rolled back in his head, pivoting in all directions like mechanical Russian Cossacks.

"THIS MANS CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN IMMENSE," exclaimed my Professor, for he interpreted the spastic Man as if he had something of vitalic profundity - the spastic Man, it may not even need be said, was an African.

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 17:51:45 2023 No.22246780

>>22238773
Anthony lathered his naked pale flesh in cooking oil, "I will do it," he said, striking a match, "if you d-" and he shrieked for the match had caught a nipple hair and singed his teat rather badly. Suddenly his entire body burst into flames. He collapsed in a shrieking dancing heap of bacon bits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:22:15 2023 No.22247038 >>22238535 Sometimes

Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:37:54 2023 No.22247109

>>22239268
> This means A AND B and C
No, retard, this makes absolutely no sense. That would be A, and B and C.
>A, B and C
and
>A, B, and C
and
>A and B and C
All means exactly the same thing. English speakers are morons and obsess over a non-issue that functional languages don’t ever think about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:47:10 2023 No.22247152 >They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid, and a cook. ah-oxford bros, i don't feel so good...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:48:19 2023 No.22247157 >>22238651 The pronounciation is what matters. It's rrrr ticle, with a r. It's not a vowel. You don't say a-ticle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:49:57 2023 No.22247164 >>22238619 There are plenty of situations where grammar and punctuation aren't necessary to get the point across. It doesn't meant there isn't a point to using it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:50:59 2023 No.22247168 >>22240216 Its our language, we can do what we want with it you ungrateful swine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:55:22 2023 No.22247191 Here's whom I going to invinte for my wedding: My dad and my mother; my brother Roberto, my sister Angelina and her husband Zeus; my cousin Vinnie, uncle Ted, and aunt Margot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 19:57:35 2023 No.22247195 File: 36 KB, 657x539, 1681762816659367.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22247191 >Here's whom I going to invinte

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 20:21:45 2023 No.22247310 >>22247191 >Here they are whom I'm going to invite to my wedding:

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 20:33:19 2023 No.22247356 Look, I like the Oxford comma. I always use it. I would never think of not using it. I still don't go into autistic conniptions seeing someone else apply a different convention. Not everything is a team sport.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 20:36:36 2023 No.22247373 >>22247191 >uncle Ted, F

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 21:17:55 2023 No.22247538 File: 1.12 MB, 1309x1963, Cormac_McCarthy_(Child_of_God_author_portrait_-_high-res).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22238535 Why no, I don't like any commas, how could you tell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 22:02:18 2023 No.22247720 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_i1xk07o4g

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 22:32:54 2023 No.22247859 >I had eggs and toast, and orange juice isn't this more appropriate? that is assuming he's having the eggs + toast together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 22:51:24 2023 No.22247947 >>22247859 ha what does he hAVE TWO SEPARET FFFFFFFFUCKING PLATES HE HAS THE EGGS WITH THE TOAST WITH 100X ON THE CHALKBOARD, KEATES

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 10 23:13:48 2023 No.22248036 >>22238631 >>22245442 Patrician choices.

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 05:36:20 2023 No.22249084

>>22238535
The comma separates each item in a list. You should only omit the comma before an and if there is a pairing, such as:
>I use my computer for gaming, Facebook and Twitter, work, and school.
If the pairing were at the end of the list, you would use "and" before Facebook after the comma.
>>22238619
>>22239207
>>22239950

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 05:54:43 2023 No.22249127 >>22247109 >Milk, coffee and sugar >Milk, coffee, and sugar >Milk and coffee and sugar.

k—k I'm kind of a grammar nerd Tue Jul 11 06:27:32 2023 No.22249185

It',s ambigui,s if he had a coloured-orange ju,ice ,or a, juice f,ro,m or,anges and if he did he didn't sa,y, the pe,rcent re, al, jui,ce from oranges, and if it was just colou,re,d orange, ,he ,also, didn,'t exp,la,in what e,ggs they were and whether they were cooked, le,ading me to b,elieve it's rerring to o,varies ans the, author is trans, therefore dil,ate,,

>>	somebody 'posthumously' brought up Mulan syndrome in the thread Tue Jul 11 06:31:24 2023 No.22249192 >>22249185 O,h, l,o,o,k, ,th,,e a,ut,hor i,s ,an as,i,an wo,(((ma,n))), pos,eing as ,a ,ma,n in her com,ics,. W,h,o wdyagaww ,

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 14:25:45 2023 No.22250075

when classmates and colleagues who learned all of their grammar shit from the Chicago Manual of Style or some derivative give me grammar advice or make direct edits to my texts, I just ignore them and/or reject the edits.
I've changed the writing styles of seven people this way.
just put your head down and write the way you want to, and at some point you'll become dissatisfied by the way you're writing and evolve anyhow (unless you're a normie slave to a manual of style by personal choice, irresponsibly rejecting your transcendence)

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