/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22233483]

Mind Uploading Edition

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[Anonymous No.22233505]

12 Miles Below

https://www.amazon.com/12-Miles-Below-Progression-Fantasy-ebook/dp/B0BWKDF1C7

Icy death above. Monster-filled dungeons below. He must fight or freeze.

Extreme sub-zero temperatures suffocate the surface. Frozen structures of bygone eras span across massive ice-wastes. And the survivors closely guard any technology rediscovered within them.

The only escape from the deadly climate is beneath the surface, but that doesn't mean it's safe...

Monstrous machines lurk in the depths. Unhinged demigods war against them, dying over and over, treating it all like a game. The depths themselves shift over time, more contraption than rock.

When an expedition into the far uncharted north goes terribly wrong, Keith Winterscar and his father get trapped together in a desperate fight for survival. Stumbling upon an ancient war of titanic scale, the two will need to set their differences aside while they struggle against gods, legends, and the secrets of the realm that lies below.

[Anonymous No.22233578]

>>22232572
Dunsany. Nothing else comes close.

[Anonymous No.22233640]

>>22233483
>Mind Uploading
Would you if your body still existed in the real world, but atrophied?

[Anonymous No.22233754]

>>22233640
At least spritz me with some water every now and again.

[Anonymous No.22233770]

So I finished the Troop by Nick Cutter. Pretty OK. Going to read The Deep by him also.
Also grabbed the Traitor Son Cycle series, and a couple of Dan Simmons stuff, Terror and Abominable. Between Two Fires, Barrow, The only good Indians, and The Ruins.
Any recommendations for sci fi/fantasy/horror type stuff? Or any mix of those genres?

[Anonymous No.22233790]

I only come to this general to look at lesser beings engaging in monkey speak.

[Anonymous No.22233795]

I haven't been able to read anything for about two weeks now. Started a few books and dropped them within a day or so. Too depressed to read anything and I can feel my faculties atrophy as I mostly just been feigning to phone browsing or playing Vidya.

[Anonymous No.22233922]

>Mind Uploading Edition
I just finished reading Greg Egan's short story collection Axiomatic. Mind uploading (the Ndoli device) appears in several of them. I recommend "Learning to be Me"

[Anonymous No.22233940]

>>22233795
Go outside.

[Anonymous No.22233962]

>>22233795
>too depressed to read
>not depressed to play video games
You are low iq. Once you start reading books all other forms of entertainment except maybe live performance become meaningless

[Anonymous No.22233986]

What are some based fantasy authors who hate trannies?

[Anonymous No.22234003]

Anybody know if you need to read the main series before reading this?

[Anonymous No.22234010]

>>22233483
Is there any fantasy book or series with a good story. I haven't read much fantasy and I don't care about genre or type. All I crave is a good story. Titles that I've read:

The Way of Kings, Sanderson
The Broken Empire trilogy
The Night Circus
American Gods

[Anonymous No.22234020]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22234022]

>>22234010
Do you consider the books you listed to have a "good story"?

[Anonymous No.22234032]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22234033]

>>22233940
I ride my bike everyday, I went to the beach. I come home and thoughts are scattered

>>22233962
Didn't say I was enjoying them did I? I'm just doing them to pass the time

[Anonymous No.22234054]

Why was Ancilliary Justice controversial?

[Anonymous No.22234174]

>>22234022
Eh, they were alright. Nothing really mind blowing or eye opening.

[Anonymous No.22234195]

>>22234174
The most popular authors on sffg are Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe and Bakker.

Vance has a particular style of picaresque humor. Gene Wolfe focuses on creating a sense of alien, subtle mystery. Bakker I am not personally a fan of because he has a lot of gay sex scenes in his books.

If you want "mind blowing or eye opening" I recommend AA Attanasio.

[Anonymous No.22234207]

>>22233640
Yes. Just to tell them to kill me and delete te online persona

[Anonymous No.22234272]

>>22234195
>AA Attanasio.

Do you have any particular reccs?

[Anonymous No.22234296]

>>22233986
"Reading an author's personal blog is like peeking up a tranny's skirt. All you find is another dick."
-R. Scott Bakker

>>22234195
Two or three scenes in seven books and all of them are rape? Seems someone forgot to tell you shitload of men are raped by men in the course of wars. Naturally, the men like to keep silent of this.

[Anonymous No.22234298]

>>22234296
>men are raped by men in the course of wars
Tranny propoganda and literally untrue.

[Anonymous No.22234324]

>>22234272
In Other Worlds. Wyvern. Dominions of Irth.

[Anonymous No.22234326]

>>22234298
Yup, just don't google wartime sexual violence. You might be forced to reconsider your position.

[Anonymous No.22234331]

>>22234272
Radix.

[Anonymous No.22234376]

>>22234326

[Anonymous No.22234423]

I'm just finishing up the 2001 book and it's great. I've never read Clarke before. The book reads quickly and I like his prose. How are the other Space Odyssey books?

[Anonymous No.22234438]

>>22233483
I just finished reading Dark Age and I feel depressed now. While the sudden influx of homosexuals in the later parts of Morning Star and then in Iron Gold definitely put me off I managed to ignore it and was rewarded with one of my favorite reading experiences so far. I haven’t been bored a single time throughout the entire thing and I have read few things that made me feel as pumped up and wanting to take action as Darrow‘s and Lysander‘s exploits on Mercury. There were many moments that were so frustrating I sometimes felt like it would be easier to stop reading because they were so uncomfortable but at the same time they also enhanced the story. It was refreshing to see Darrow described from the perspective of others, especially Lysander. I can’t wait for the next book to come out this month and I can only hope that the last installment in the series won’t take too long to be released. Red Rising is an absolutely masterful series.

[Anonymous No.22234441]

>>22234423
You might be interested to know that you just read a book by a gay pedophile.

[ChartMaker !h941Ht56bE No.22234462]

>>22234376
I'm a chud as much as you are. I'm just not disregarding historical facts. Have you even read Bakker's books? Reading epilogue and getting filtered does not count.

[Anonymous No.22234483]

Just started Malazan. Is Kruppe a based schizo or just an annoying cringelord?

[ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 No.22234489]

>>22234483
I've only read first book but the image I got is he is a based life enjoyer and based schizo magic enjoyer

[Anonymous No.22234550]

>>22234462
I started on the first book. My recollection is that two boys were raped in separate occassions by separate characters in the first two chapters. I found all of the umlats tedious and the "worldbuilding" inane. After hearing from this general that the rest of the book was more of the same I dropped it.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22234640]

>>22233483
The Eye of the Bedlam Bride, Dungeon Crawler #6 - Matt Dinniman (2023)

Wow, so much happens. This may be my favorite of the series thus far. It's also the longest book yet, listed at ~700 pages for the Kindle edition. Surprisingly I didn't mind the length at all, though what constitutes filler will vary by reader. After the opening recap and prologue, the first few chapters are mostly about going through rewards, achievements, processing what happened from the end of the previous book, and talking over about what the current floor will be about. The story didn't seem to really begin until the 5th chapter and by that point it's already at 10%, so roughly 70 pages. Turns out I didn't mind all the preparatory material. The story continuously goes all over the place, but it's a fun wild ride and I wouldn't have it be any other way.

The background setting for the floor is the real world and there's an explicit focus on folklore, particularly of the cryptozoological sort, though the aliens corrupt a lot of it. There's also various religious sorts included as well. As you may have noticed, there's an Uzi Jesus on the cover. The depiction of Jesus may be offensive to some readers, because Dinniman doesn't hold back. Personally, I found it hilarious in how absurd it was all.

As also shown on the cover, the primary mechanic this time is explicitly stated to be an active time battle version of Pokémon combined with Yu-Gi-Oh. It's quite something, especially their summoning intros and quips. Does it make any sense? No. Is it entirely broken in terms of fairness and balance? Yes. Sometimes they just kill their opponent before a card/trainer match can initiate. Everyone knows how silly it is though and that's part of the fun. The fun is what matters the most for me.

There's considerably more focus on the space opera and events outside of the dungeon in general. I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of the next book the space opera becomes the primary narrative and the dungeon becomes the background. I'm withholding judgment on that because the dungeon is what's so fun about it and while I certainly enjoy space opera, I don't know that that's what I want from this. The space opera could end up being an extremely amusing black comedy though and I wouldn't mind that at all.

Rating: 4.5/5 (tentatively rounded up to 5)

[Anonymous No.22234647]

>>22234640
Your reviews, so called, are not very good.

Go away please!

[Anonymous No.22234648]

>>22234640
Here are some excerpt from Dinniman's reddit comments from the past year or so, because why not. They're in reverse chronological order. No spoilers. There's a few comments that may be of general interest.

>deluxe hardcover version of the books coming soon via kickstarter

>ALL of my influences are horror. I live, breathe, eat, and drink horror 24/7 in my leisure time.

>The Iron Tangle was my favorite floor to write the mechanics for, but I would definitely do it differently the second time around

>Everything I write will always be horror...I've never written anything with a happy ending

>It's a very, very large excel spreadsheet with a whole lot of pages and numbers and stats and a list of character names, and if anything happened to it...I would give up.

>We never have and never will learn Carl's last name.

>I only put it up on Amazon when it did because I had no other choice. The pandemic took away my only source of income--selling artwork at cons, and since my Onlyfans wasn't doing too great, I posted it a year earlier than I want.

>I don't have the end in mind. I do zero plotting. I am what is called a pantser. I make it up as I go. I keep VERY careful track of everything behind me...I usually end up changing it up at the last minute...I find joy in writing my way out of situations and making it look like it was the plan all along.

>I do want to visit and know every floor

>It’s (most likely) not going to be longer than ten. It will be nine or ten. Some of those books might be quite long, though

>I always release the paperback two weeks early to encourage people to review it.

>here's the full disclosure Money-to-Matt breakdown per version.
>Paperback. Cost $20. The money to Matt: $2.03
>Buy on Kindle for $4.99. The money to Matt: $3.35
>Read on Kindle Unlimited. The money to Matt: ~$4.00.
>audiobook is almost always the best..basically 35% of whatever you actually paid.

>The very act of meeting and talking to and becoming friends with fellow full-time writers is worth its weight in digital gold.

>Kindle Unlimited is about 70% of my non-audiobook income. It alone is five digits worth of income a month. That's way more than I earned doing anything else in my life, including porn.

>Prog fantasy basically lives and breathes in KU.

>I don’t like posting $, but I sell 3-5k books a month and average about 4-5 million page reads. I sell about 7-10k audiobooks a month as well. Most of these are from five books, but I have 11 up right now plus 9 audiobooks.

>My two biggest writing influences are Guy Gavriel Kay and Robert R. McCammon. I love anything Peter F. Hamilton writes. I love anything Andre Norton wrote.

[Anonymous No.22234664]

>>22234483
>Kruppe
You have no idea.

[Anonymous No.22234670]

>>22234483
Depends on your cringe tolerance. His dialogue is certainly very annoying to read.

[Anonymous No.22234778]

>>22234648
>10,000 audiobooks per month
No wonder Jeff Hays loves him so much

[Anonymous No.22234932]

>>22234640
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.22235010]

>>22234010
The Wayfarer Redemption

[Anonymous No.22235055]

>>22234326
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence#Iraq_War
Why is rape so hot?

[Anonymous No.22235079]

>>22234462
He >>22234550 is right tho - Second Apocalypse has more rape than necessary, starting from the prologue. Rape does happen in the course of violent conflict, but so do a ton of shit. Lots of people also get dysentery (like literally in the prologue), but Bakker doesn't focus on THE MORE SHE DRANK THE MORE SHE SHAT. Instead he uses sexual violence as an umbrella for any sorts of violence that one man subjects another one to in order to affect him in any way other than killing. A character uses violence on other character he does not kill = rape. Which is ultimately just really reductive reductive, and he either does it for edgy points, or he's literally that autistic about violence, or both. I see all of those as plausible, but but in any case saying that SA does not have that much rape is disingenuous.

I recall the scene from one of the epilogues, where Ichoroi have found out that Dunyain are a thing, and are seeking information among the northmen tribes. The part where Aurang rapes a tribesman's wife (BLACK SEED) in front of him, and then has sranc rape him in order to get him to spill out what he knows about Dunyain. And through the entire scene I was just going
>"Really? All the Tekne shit these guys have, with skin-spies and pheromone gases and cutting people's sculls open and directly affecting their brains and literal mind control that Aurax uses on Esmenet - and the best means of interrogation that they use to discover what they believe is an existential threat is just... raping people so that they break from emotional distress? That's fucking dumb"

[Anonymous No.22235083]

>>22234462
He >>22234550 is right tho - Second Apocalypse has more rape than necessary, starting from the prologue. Rape does happen in the course of violent conflict, but so do a ton of shit. Lots of people also get dysentery (like literally in the prologue), but Bakker doesn't focus on THE MORE SHE DRANK THE MORE SHE SHAT. Instead he uses sexual violence as an umbrella for any sorts of violence that one man subjects another one to in order to affect him in any way other than killing. A character uses violence on other character he does not kill = rape. Which is ultimately just really reductive, and he either does it for edgy points, or he's literally that autistic about violence, or both. Or he actually does touch himself when writing those parts. I see all of those as plausible, but but in any case saying that SA does not have that much rape is disingenuous.

I recall s scene from one of the epilogues, where Ichoroi have found out that Dunyain are a thing, and are seeking information among the northmen tribes. The part where Aurang rapes a tribesman's wife (BLACK SEED) in front of him, and then has sranc rape him in order to get him to spill out what he knows about Dunyain. And through the entire scene I was just going
>"Really? All the Tekne shit these guys have, with skin-spies and pheromone gases and cutting people's skulls open and directly affecting their brains and literal mind control that Aurax uses on Esmenet - and the best means of interrogation that they use to discover what they believe is an existential threat is just... raping people so that they break from emotional distress? That's fucking dumb. "

[Anonymous No.22235100]

Recc me some fantasy books with cute Black/Brown girls.

[Anonymous No.22235114]

>>22235079
>he either does it for edgy points, or he's literally that autistic about violence, or both
Rape is a form of control. The whole book is about controlling others, an army of people, and an entire of sea of beings to do Kellhus's bidding. He mind rapes them. All other beings do literal rape for control of another. Conan stand in does so a lot. He is breaking of men. And of course the main villains are rapists because they are evil and get hard dicks. It's not even that edgy. Chuck Palahniuk writes edgier shit for normies

[Anonymous No.22235228]

>>22234648
holy shit that's big money compared to what a lot of authors make, even mainstream ones.

[Anonymous No.22235477]

>>22235114
>Rape is a form of control.
Lots of things people do to other people are forms of control. What's the point of reducing them all to sexual action?

>Conan stand in does so a lot.
Cnaiur is as far from Conan as it gets. Conan is a sane and reasonable individual with good self-esteem and healthy, normie motivations. My impression was that Cnaiur is a stand-in for maximised human condition. He does not really mean rape anyone - he gets raped by everything, at all times, simply through existing, and sometimes he tries to share this experience with others to feel less alone. This part is actually nice.

[Anonymous No.22235493]

>>22235477
Many have stated that Cnaiur is a deconstruction of Conan.
Reducing control to a sexual act seems realistic. The whores in it all use their bodies to control. Kellhus mind controls, and others rape. I don't see the problem with all that in the story

[Anonymous No.22235532]

>>22235114
Chuck Palahniuk was pretty edgy. Not many authors have people puking and fainting at their readings.

[Anonymous No.22235533]

>>22234483
He is neither. The based schizo shows up in book 2.

[Anonymous No.22235542]

>>22235477
>>22235493
It is realistic in a sense that prisons feature a lot of rape, and the reason is that these assholes are dominated themselves, hard. However, this happens precisely because there are no women around, who, as you know, are for raping.

[Anonymous No.22235619]

>>22235533
>book 2.
Not him but Who? I like based schizos but never read malazan

[Anonymous No.22235663]

>>22234441
why would I care about an author's personal life?

[Anonymous No.22235702]

>>22235477
>Conan is a sane and reasonable individual with good self-esteem and healthy, normie motivations.
The point is that Cnaiur could have been that, had he not met Moenghus. As said somewhere in the aspect emperor series, Cnaiur could have been the greatest of mortal heroes were it not for meeting a dunyain in passing and being driven insane.

Anyway, the Cnaiur=Conan stuff is very on the nose:
> Both preternaturally strong and intelligent, basically more than any other men.
> Black hair, blue eyes - each standing around 6'4

But its all superficial. Cnaiur gets broken. Hes performatively violent where Conan is masculine, and vicious where Conan is dominant. Its the same traits Conan has, just their more toxic aspects in a less accommodating world. In a Conan story, Serwe would swoon into Cnaiur's arms after being rescued. In APoN Cnaiur just rapes her because hes trying to cope with being dunyain'd by cleaving to Scylvendi ideals.

[Anonymous No.22235751]

>>22235477
>Reversal of tropes is BAD. IT JUST IS!
Also Cnaiur is a more interesting character. He has all the capabilities of Conan but instead of enduring hardship, he gets broken, broken, broken again and there is no end to his sufferings. For decades he suffers Dunyains and still he gets beaten in the end, Kellhus escaping his grasp. He traces a line of schizophrenia, madness, lunacy, murderous zeal and many other ailments of men, and that path is more interesting than Conan. Not that Conan is badly written or not enjoyable, Cnaiur is simply a more tragic character.

[Anonymous No.22235883]

>>22235751
>muh deconstruction
It was boring in the 90s and it's double boring now. Don't you have anything more to bring.

[Anonymous No.22235911]

>>22235493
>Reducing control to a sexual act seems realistic
No, the realistic thing is portraying acts of control as themselves - as they are in reality, that's what realism means. Reducing them to a sexual act is symbolic, not realistic, and I don't think that the books benefit much or anything from this particular symbolism.

>>22235751
>Reversal of tropes is BAD. IT JUST IS!
Dude take a chill pill. I liked SA. I just find some criticisms of it valid - like excessive sexual violence or focus on details of violence and death on a great scale that sometimes takes on almost masturbatory aspect. Ditching those elements would at least somewhat benefit the books.

>Both preternaturally strong and intelligent, basically more than any other men.
> Black hair, blue eyes - each standing around 6'4
Same as with
>Many have stated that Cnaiur is a deconstruction of Conan.
I think think that he would edge closer to a deconstruction of a generic Big Ass-Kicking sword & sorcery hero - he lacks most other parallels to Conan to be a specific deconstruction. Conan journeys free for wanderlust, Cnaiur leaves home for an obsessive quest for vengeance. Conan puts enough weight in Crom, while Cnaiur is aggressively nihilistic. The only similarity between Scylvendi and Cimmerians is that they are both warlike, otherwise these are extremely different cultures (and ethnic culture informs much more of Cnaiur's character than it does with Conan). Conan was also not an outcast among his people and family (as Cnaiur was even before he met Moenghus) also lacks a paternal conflict and resulting childhood trauma, or a humbling stint as a slave.

In any case, I think both Conan and Cnaiur are very interesting characters.

[Anonymous No.22235922]

>>22235911
*Cnaiur also lacks a humbling stint as a slave
Also
>Ditching those elements would at least somewhat benefit the books.
inb4
>"Noooooooo not my heckin' normie filterino~"

[Anonymous No.22235930]

>>22233483
Can I talk about Ivanhoe here? Its non fiction, but hardly fantasy, taking place in a historical 12th century England. Am reading it while im in a general "medieval (fantasy or no)" kick, and it is pretty formative for the fantasy genre.

[Anonymous No.22235970]

>>22235055
because youre gay

[Anonymous No.22235981]

>>22235930
Yes but why would you.

[Anonymous No.22235982]

>>22235911
>Ditching those elements would at least somewhat benefit the books
Too safe. And that is why no one will remember your name

[Anonymous No.22235990]

>>22235970
But I want girl rape, not male.

[Anonymous No.22236032]

>>22235619
This guy. He's the high priest of the schemer god, and he possesses a questionable amount of sanity.

[Anonymous No.22236055]

>>22234648
>his real life dad dies when he's a few chapters into writing part 2 (The Father)
horror indeed

[Anonymous No.22236060]

>>22235981
becauase it is an interesting book in form and influence.
It definitely requires commitment, but it also definelty has rewards for that commitment.

[Anonymous No.22236112]

>>22235982
There are like 500 Chinese cultivation webnovel authors mentioned in these threads who write even more rape and genocide than Bakker, and not even the brain-addled anons who read their shit with MTL remember their names.

[Anonymous No.22236158]

>>22234195
>The most popular authors on sffg are Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe and Bakker.
>Bakker

A couple autistic spammers doesn't make him "popular".

[Anonymous No.22236168]

>>22236112
No one will ever remember bugmen that's why. The blonde Aryan man will be remembered forever. And those Chinese can't write for shit

[Anonymous No.22236271]

>>22236032
Cant wait

[Anonymous No.22236276]

>>22236168
asian or white, doesnt matter, you’ve never felt the warmth of a woman, incel freak

[Anonymous No.22236342]

>>22236276
lol hit a nerve, chang?

[Anonymous No.22236414]

>impulse buy for $3 at a book sale
Did I make a mistake?

[Anonymous No.22236418]

My dad got filtered by The Dragon Waiting lads. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.22236424]

>>22236414
Spending 3 bucks doesn't really count as an impulse buy u less you live in a third world shithole. You don't actually live in a third world shithole, do you Pedro?

[Anonymous No.22236425]

>>22234648
God damn. Motherfucker swimming in cash. Hope he doesn't waste it.

[Anonymous No.22236430]

>>22236424
Yes. Did I waste 3 dollars?

[Anonymous No.22236432]

>>22234195
>a lot of gay sex
C'mon cunt, there is barely any. There's one character who is implied gay in the first trilogy.

[Anonymous No.22236438]

>>22236430
>female author
I'm afraid so, Mateo.

[Anonymous No.22236455]

>>22236438
damnit. I just wanted a nice short book about politics, war, and some drama.

[Anonymous No.22236504]

>>22234032
>He who fights with monsters
Seeing that in the rec makes me question the rest of those books. Writing, especially dialogue, was EMBARRASSINGLY bad. A shame because I love the idea of an RPG like novel, but I guess it goes with the genre that they are all written for retards, or do any of them have decent prose?

[Anonymous No.22236535]

Does anyone know any good stuff with the same vibes a GI Joe, GoRanger, Danger 5, and Captain America? Just general military/war/sci-fi/commando stuff

[Anonymous No.22236617]

>>22236438
She's an honorary dude, basically. Like Ayn Rand. Or some older feminists, of a "we don't want to be forever babies and want more responsibility" kind.

[Anonymous No.22236633]

>>22236504
They are just Western light novels. With the subject matter condensed just to RPGs/vidya, for whatever reason. Closest thing to modern pulp.

[Anonymous No.22236643]

This sucked so bad. I could write better than this in my sleep. Coulda been good if he'd put literally any effort into it. Characters absolutely ass tier, cookie cutter, main is a complete reddit fantasy and it's clear the author has never spoken to a woman in his life because literally none of them talk or act like this except opioid addicts.

That said the welding bits and base level of scientific accuracy held my interest enough for me to finish it

[Anonymous No.22236646]

>>22236432
>The honey of unwashed man anus

[Anonymous No.22236672]

>>22236418
John M Ford is based

[Anonymous No.22236791]

>>22236432
Moe and cnuir, achamian and ateursus bunk mate, eli and prev grandmaster, guy who bumps into cnuir in streets of Ammegnotis, that scarlet spires choare crossbow man guy, xerius would fuck dudes, do all the scenes of cnauir going tranny slayer mode on dick girl serwe count? Kellhus and leweth maybe, (though kellhus fucked way less dudes than his gay dad) cnuir and conphas rape sex, conphas subsequently falling in love, all the depictions of gay sex as akka drunkenly stumbles through camp, the homeless boys who get poked when they’re too afraid to steal. All this from first series.
(I love these books btw and have reread many times how do you think I know these things)

[Anonymous No.22236959]

>>22236535
Galaxy’s edge, or wayward galaxy. Easy reading and characters are okay. Some are better than others.

[Anonymous No.22236985]

>>22236791
Perhaps what is meant is there are not many direct scenes but implied and off screen stuff does happen. As Bakker says in TTT.
>Some things required literal explanation.

[Anonymous No.22236988]

I want a setting that is fully patriarchal, with women not being allowed to fight and men keeping a "stay in the kitchen" attitude towards them.

I'm sick of fantasy stories that whitewash what those times were like.

[Anonymous No.22236995]

>>22236988
>I'm sick of fantasy stories that whitewash what those times were like.
What when has this ever been the case?

[Anonymous No.22237012]

>>22236995
Always? All those women fighting alongside the men, with perfect gender equality in all parts of society are hardly difficult to notice.

[Anonymous No.22237022]

>>22236988
Literally R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing. There are reviews in goodreads complaining how patriarchal the setting is, how badly women are treated.

[Anonymous No.22237028]

>>22237012
>All those women fighting alongside the men, with perfect gender equality in all parts of society are hardly difficult to notice.
Yeah and when their men were killed on the battlefield, and they were sold into slavery for a fate worse than death. Or when their man was success in battle and continued to use their daughters as pawns on a chessboard to strengthen their political or social standing. How property was always passed to the oldest son while single daughter were less than useless past eligible marriage age. How about you stop trying to project your modern take on history and just look at the broad facts.

[Anonymous No.22237030]

>>22237012
>>22237028
I’m retarded disregard all on my posts sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.22237036]

>>22235083
Yeah the consult were kindof a letdown for most of the series. They DO "redeem" themselves at Golgotterath, there's some real bodyhorror mindrape existential torture shit going on in there.
>room where the ceiling is LITERALLY hell and it reads your mind to show you your close friends and loved ones being tortured for eternity
>fused three guys who hated each other into one body contorted into horrible agony, mind controlled into a servitor drone, and then made immortal so they can be tortured forever
>Cenobite tier treatment of the Dunyain
It's still not enough though, the Dunyain themselves are the only ones who really go all out, in the entire series almost nothing tops the part in the FIRST CHAPTER where you find out they keep hundreds of their own people who've been deemed "flawed" as living vivisection anatomy examples who personally instruct children how brains work by lobotomizing themselves as a demonstration.

[Anonymous No.22237150]

I think more fantasy stories should get some courage and tell us how the old eras really were. Warts and all.

[Anonymous No.22237180]

>>22237150
Including making everyone sincerely religious. And the priests are the most educated of the lot.

[Anonymous No.22237186]

>>22236168
I want the OG Bakkerposters back. They were up to some insane shit, like actually discussing the books.

[Anonymous No.22237187]

>>22237180
I withdraw my request. My parents took the to the Sunday school despite my protestations so now I am an Atheist and will not bear to look at a book where religion is portrayed in any way positive.

[ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 No.22237188]

>>22237186
What would you like to talk about? How the Cishaurim are actually saved and absolutepilled?

[Anonymous No.22237192]

>>22237187
I am the one who made the request, fedora tipper.

[Anonymous No.22237200]

>>22237188
I feel like I might have missed it, but does the Consult have any solid reasons to believe that Apocalypsing the world would actually work to prevent Damnation?

Also, the Chronicle of Tusk quote with Angeshrael. Does it essentially imply that gods are metaphysically blind in a number of ways, foreshadowing their uselessness concerning No-God?

[ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 No.22237209]

>>22237200
It's what the creators of Inchiroi believed anyways. But it is a likely explanation for how the Outside works. No solid reasons that are given to the reader.

Don't know about the Tusk but how things turn out with Kelmomas suggest that this is the case. The gods are blind to No-God. It is a direct analogy to the No-Ships and other No stuff of Dune where those with prescience can't see them.

[Anonymous No.22237238]

>>22234438
3 more weeks bro

[Anonymous No.22237263]

>>22237209
>Don't know about the Tusk but how things turn out with Kelmomas suggest that this is the case.
I meant this part:
>And the God said, ‘Why does our Prophet fall to his knees only? Are not Prophets Men like other Men? Should they not throw their faces to the earth?’ To which Angeshrael replied, ‘I find my fire before me.’ And peerless Husyelt said, ‘The fire burns across earth, and what fire consumes becomes earth. I am your God. Throw your face to the earth. So Angeshrael, the Tusk tells us, bowed his head into the flames.
It does seem to imply that Husyelt was not being a smartass and directing Angeshrael towards a display of higher devotion, as the Thousand Temples probably interpret this passage - he literally could not comprehend how a bunch of burning sticks and glowing coals are be different from a patch of mud to a human who feels heat and pain, so their consciousness entirely lacks the human condition element of experience - and No-God is just that that but divorced from Onta and thus the Outside, and amplified by the Ark, so it is not hidden from the sight of Gods, but rather exists as something that they are fundamentally incapable of conceiving or comprehending. The Kelmomas thing makes me think that his shit is not the effect of No-God unfolding back in time, but rather that this separation is inherent in a certain humans - so Kelmomas is a self-moving soul (which logically, is the same as separation from the Outside in it's very concept) all in himself, and the Carapace just enforces this condition on everyone.

This might explain what motivates the Dunyain Consult - the No-God simply is the goal that they were unknowingly working towards all this time. Though it begs the question of what the fuck was up with the first guy ever forced into the Carapace.

[ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 No.22237285]

>>22237263
Interesting interpretation but I wouldnt read the passage as nothing else than a quasi-biblical tale of devotion to God. Kelmomas and Nay Cauti both, as Bakker himself has said in a QA, have similarly wired brains which made them compatible with the you know what. The Dunyain Consult probably gazed at the Inverse Fire and were convinced that this is the way but Kellhus on the other hand saw Outside as just another place he will conquer.

[Anonymous No.22237304]

>>22237285
Another question, because I did not understand it through the entire series and it pisses me off.

Why Esmenet? What's so special about her that Kellhus is so resolute on keeping her? On one had there are evidences that he genuinely succumbed to loving her, but on the other hand she gave birth to Kelmomas and Mimara, who definitely have some hereditary holyfuckingshit. Is she a descendant of Cimoira or something?

[Anonymous No.22237310]

>>22237304
Definitely there is something different about her. After all, only she was able to conceive Kellhus living children. Kellhus, despite being the logical Dunyain, has falling for the madness of the world and has had things that have been beyond his understanding. Why Serwe? Why make the prophrcy to Conphas for the first major battle against the Fanim? What happened under the tree? Many of these kind of questions and the later revelations in the second series point out to the fact that Kellhus has been possessed by a demon or a god because while Dunyain are strong in reason, they are weak in spirit. Why Kellhus stumbled on Esmenet might have been some Fate. Many things seem to steer both Cnaiur and Kellhua towards certain destinies, and why wouldn't they? If the Outside is out of time, then anything that has ever happened is known to the gods.

[Anonymous No.22237352]

>>22236112
I am still waiting for anon to post that specific "mc sneaks into the house, rapes girl and butchers her family" chinese novel

[Anonymous No.22237367]

>>22237285
>>22237310
Thank you for your answers fellow anon and, may Allah forgive me for uttering this word, tr*pfag.

[ChartMaker !!q5+P+/PyFx0 No.22237530]

>>22237367
Nah it was only me. Forgot to use trips that other time.

[Anonymous No.22237859]

I know the author is an Englishman but at least the 1st book the dialogue used a neutral vocabulary. In the 2nd one you have people who were born and raised in North America speak like they're from London

[Anonymous No.22238017]

>>22237859
Is that a problem? As far as I remember all of them spoke proper English, not some retarded young city dweller slang (American or British).

[Anonymous No.22238025]

I finished Tigana on audiobook. I really liked it. I think Lions of Al Rassan was a little better, but that's personal taste.
I think I would like to read something more fun or less serious next. How's Gibson's Bridge trilogy? I haven't read anything other than his sprawl novels and Burning Chrome, and loved them.

[Anonymous No.22238053]

I came for the mech dragons, stayed for the surprise coomer kino and nihilism. I need to find more books that are actually worth reading and include sex like this guy does.

[Anonymous No.22238060]

>>22238053
>nihilism
Acktually it's gnosticism.

[Anonymous No.22238100]

>>22233505

fuck you for shilling. but also fuck you because this series has the potential to be good. plenty of time for the author to fuck it up though.

[Anonymous No.22238382]

>>22237352
Think the rape portion is misconstrued, he only molests her a little, but you can find this in Reverend Insanity.

[Anonymous No.22238437]

>>22238053
for me, it's the public sexual humiliation scenes.

[Anonymous No.22238479]

Conan > Lotr

[Anonymous No.22238574]

>>22238382
I have read Reverend Insanity. I don't remember there being any rape or molestation except in the very beginning there was one case of Fang Yuan assaulting his maid (who was trying to set him up and have him beaten up). He squeezed her breasts and causing her some pain, then told her to leave, this happened in his own residence and he did not kill her family.

[Anonymous No.22238613]

Just bought wizards first law, black prism, and magician.

Anons a few months ago told me that these were good entry level fantasy series to start with but which series do I read first?

I'm mostly a sci-fi reader and I've only read Lord of the Rngs and most of the conan stories.

[Anonymous No.22238625]

>>22238479
Bran Mak Morn > Conan

[Anonymous No.22238627]

>>22238613
Try David Eddings or Dave Duncan. It's on the cheesier side. Well, like Magician.

[Anonymous No.22238633]

>>22238613
Do you like dungeons and dragons? Then read Magician and the next two books for riftwar. Later books in the Riftwar Saga aren't that good.
If you don't like DnD then just read Sword of Truth. Each books is pretty much self contained but read them in publication order.
The lightbringer is a full completed series of only five books so I'd recommend starting with black prism first.

[Anonymous No.22238649]

>>22238627
David Eddings
I'd recommend this too. If you've liked lotr then read the Belagariad. Keep in mind that the author was a piece of shit though but he's dead and can't profit off his books.

[Anonymous No.22238669]

>>22238627
>>22238633
>>22238649
Thanks anons.

I never knew about David Eddings but Belagariad sounds fun

Also never heard of Dave Duncan but he has a 1980s isekai story so I have to look that up too.

[Anonymous No.22238671]

>>22238649
Go read this thing, it's fairly popular. It swipes some tropes from Belgariad, even. You can skip the final book, it's one of them decades later sequels.

[Anonymous No.22238718]

>>22238625
I haven't gotten around to reading those. Perhaps that will be my next adventure.

[Anonymous No.22238731]

>>22238613
Wizard's First Rule is only worth reading because it's laughably bad, and the author was a huge cringey asshole.

I also want to de-recommend David Eddings since he had zero talent and only became an author because he had been to prison for keeping children in cages in his basement and thus could never get employment again. Sick fuck. Shit books.

[Anonymous No.22238761]

>>22238731
I remember thinking how dryads made no sense. Are the ones in the forest and ones interbreeding with the nobles supposed to be different subspecies? I haven't read the prequels.

[Anonymous No.22239342]

>>22236988
GOR, chronicles of the counter-earth

[Anonymous No.22239368]

>>22239342
I remember how you fags got me all excited about how it's all based smut in later books, but holy shit it's boring. Granted, peener does go hard. There is that.

[Anonymous No.22239425]

>>22238053

It's not /sffg/ but if that's your jam you'd probably like John Fowles.

[Anonymous No.22239429]

I liked Harry Potter, is there another good series like that? Set in a magic school or something? I'm a simple manchild and want to read books for younger people, they are more fun and innocent.

[Anonymous No.22239489]

>>22238574
Well... technically...

[Anonymous No.22239493]

>>22238613
Do you like BDSM leather fetish dominatrixes? If yes, read Wizard's first rule.

[Anonymous No.22239545]

>>22239429
I second this, I suppose. I keep getting bored of edgy shit and going back to adventure and waifufaggotry. Feels better.

[Anonymous No.22239562]

>>22239429
There are multiple good stories involving magic schools, aimed at a younger crowd; unlike Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.22239599]

>>22239368
In this day and age the next coom is just a few clicks away.

[Anonymous No.22239622]

>>22239429
The Iron Dragon's Daughter

[Anonymous No.22239653]

>>22239622
Why not recommend Bakker to the poor bastard?

[Anonymous No.22239668]

>>22239653
Please delete your post.

[Anonymous No.22239717]

>>22238625
I disagree, but Worms of the Earth is absolute fucking kino.

[Anonymous No.22239728]

I read the first four Black Company books and enjoyed them as fun trash, but man if the story hasn't just destroyed anything threatening or mysterious by the end of Book 4. The Lady has gone from a Sauron-esque villain to a virginal princess and the Dominator isn't/wasn't even a unique threat because apparently this world has suffered under who knows how many iterations of evil incarnate in some sort of cyclical balancing act.
I could ignore how much I think that degrades the setting and characters because I though we were going to set it aside and go on a new adventure of returning the annals, but it turns out the only card that book 4 has to play is, "turns out none of the Taken are actually dead, hope you enjoy fighting them one-by-one again!"
This shit sucks, does it get better? Book 2 was definitely the best of them so far, constraining the characters and story to a much smaller scale location/conflict that gradually grew out of hand felt much better suited to the characters and pacing compared to everything else.

[Anonymous No.22239757]

>>22234054
It was just incredible dull and boring to me. So all the accolades it was given seen empty and driven by an agenda.

[Anonymous No.22239768]

>>22239728
>does it get better?
Do you even remember any cases of the answer being "yes"?

[Anonymous No.22239778]

>>22235083
The Ichoroi are a race of lovers after all, it's in their nature.

[Anonymous No.22239821]

>>22239768
No, but I generally don't read long book series. The Dark Tower is the only long series I've ever finished.

[Anonymous No.22239867]

Hey thanks whoever mentioned The Zombie Knight Saga in here offhandedly a few threads back (think you were shitting on shadow slave at the time)
Caught up to the current pace and it's one of like 4 webnovels I've ever read that didn't ever drag or have an annoying section I didn't want to read.

[Anonymous No.22240180]

>>22239778
This guy gets it. Bakker is a literal genius and Antifag-fags are getting filtered by a few gay rape scenes

[Anonymous No.22240186]

How do I shill myself to /sffg/?
Say nothing, promote my book elsewhere and hope an anon notices me?

[Anonymous No.22240195]

>>22240186
Shill it here, take the ban, and come back after a month and hope someone bought it.

[Anonymous No.22240204]

>>22240195
>thinking anyone has gotten banned for talking about their books here
lol

[Anonymous No.22240367]

>>22239425
How detailed is the sex? This is important. I put The Magus on my tbr a few days ago. For reference Gene Wolfe levels of detail and frequency is the bare minimum that gets me going.

[Anonymous No.22240380]

>>22240367
You should read The Magus regardless because it's a very good novel.

[Anonymous No.22240390]

[Anonymous No.22240449]

>>22236535
John Ringo - Posleen War

[Anonymous No.22240596]

>>22239429
>>22239545
The Mask of the Sorcerer. But it's probably too good for you guys.

[Anonymous No.22240618]

Just finished lies inc after deciding to pick a pkd at random. What a mistake...

[Anonymous No.22240641]

>>22240618
He does have some truly awful stuff. I'd say that's among the worst.

[Anonymous No.22240656]

>>22240618
I don't remember the plot but I remember liking Lies Inc. when I read it, more than I thought that I would.

[Anonymous No.22240745]

>>22240618
>>22240641
>>22240656
I barely remember it. Something about a guy getting hit with an LSD dart and then tripping for 120 pages? PKD is definitely hit or miss.

[Anonymous No.22240893]

>read pulp fantasy novels
>stories are pretty epic and action-packed
>get to the part where the monster is introduced
>I-IS THAT AN APE?! AIEEEE I’M GOING MAD! SAVE ME HERO AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>faints

Every time

[Anonymous No.22240900]

>>22240893
Apes are scary and have become a problem nowadays

[Anonymous No.22240959]

>>22240900
The Black Abbot of Puthum by Clark Ashton Smith is an especially delightful read, in fact I greatly recommend any of the works in his Hyperborean or Zothique cycles.

[Anonymous No.22240965]

>>22240900
Lmao people with that name have put in their bios that they aren’t the author of that book series.

[Anonymous No.22240980]

>>22239429
>>22239545
>Set in a magic school or something?
Mother of Learning

[Anonymous No.22241008]

>>22238017
Not really, just offputting when someone whose family is explicity from the US is throwing out the word "bloody" and "mate" every now and then. Especially when the previous book didn't do this.

[Anonymous No.22241046]

Why aren't there stories about fantasy police officers? The use magic like guns and try to solve a case?

[Anonymous No.22241051]

>>22241046
The genre is called occult detective

[Anonymous No.22241341]

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Beyond Lies the Wub (1952) - Philip K. Dick

In the Walls of Eryx (1936) - H. P. Lovecraft

Ask a Foolish Question (1953) - R. Sheckley

Micromégas (1752) - Voltaire

Warm (1953) - R. Sheckley

2 B R 0 2 B (1962) - K. Vonnegut

The Big Trip Up Yonder (1953) - K. Vonnegut

Toy Shop (1962) - Harry Harrison

The Star (1897) - H.G. Wells

Sjambak (1953) - Jack Vance

The Die-Hard (1958) - Alfred Bester

Besides still water - R. Sheckley

A Little Journey (1951) - Ray Bradbury

Dream world (1962) - R. A. Lafferty

[Anonymous No.22241342]

>>22238613
If you like banter and jrpgs read Belgariad, if you like power creep done well then riftwar.
"Memory, Sorrow and Thorn", Dragonlance Chronicle, Icewind Dale Trilogy, Valdemar, Deryni, Shannara, Merlin Trilogy, Earthsea. All these are entry level, very newcomer friendly (MSaT can be a bit of a slog) and totally worth reading.
>>22238633
>Later books in the Riftwar Saga aren't that good
Imo feist peaks in serpentwar and slowly gets worse after each book, Conclave Of Shadows and Darkwar were still enjoyable but reading DemonWar and Chaoswar was a terrible experience.

[Anonymous No.22241353]

>>22234054
Ancillary Justice is kind of infuriating because it had (at the time) unironically somewhat original plot concept, worldbuilding and decent characterization, plus it's actually not terribly written, so you read the entire series waiting for a good book to happen using all those elements - but it doesn't. It's a good setups that is wasted in several books worth of supremely boring meandering.

If it was just bad, nobody would give half a fuck about it (see A Memory Called Empire and A Desolation Called Peace for two Hugo Best Novel winners that are just bad ripoffs of Ancillary Justice that nobody cares about). But it falls right into that category of books that had all the chances to be good but didn't make it.

[Anonymous No.22241368]

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Table of contents:

Beyond Lies the Wub (1952) - Philip K. Dick

In the Walls of Eryx (1936) - H. P. Lovecraft

Ask a Foolish Question (1953) - R. Sheckley

Micromégas (1752) - Voltaire

Warm (1953) - R. Sheckley

2 B R 0 2 B (1962) - K. Vonnegut

The Big Trip Up Yonder (1953) - K. Vonnegut

Toy Shop (1962) - Harry Harrison

The Star (1897) - H.G. Wells

Sjambak (1953) - Jack Vance

The Die-Hard (1958) - Alfred Bester

Besides still water - R. Sheckley

A Little Journey (1951) - Ray Bradbury

Dream world (1962) - R. A. Lafferty

[Anonymous No.22241452]

>>22241368
Is there a particular theme in these stories?

[Anonymous No.22241541]

>>22234296
>"Reading an author's personal blog is like peeking up a tranny's skirt. All you find is another dick."
>-R. Scott Bakker
except for Dan Simmons, he went from hippie to based

[Anonymous No.22241573]

>>22241452
>>>22241368 (You)
>Is there a particular theme in these stories?
Nope.

[Anonymous No.22241577]

>>22234550
>>22235083

the first rape between the bastard prince and the bard is important because it introduces to us the exchange between the bard and the boy

"there are no crimes when no one is left alive" and the boy understands it to and speaks to the dunyain thus: "as long as men live, there are crimes"

we still do not know the reason why the dunyain travelled to ishual in the first place and how they even found it in the first place, but after the exchange with the prince they celebrate the cause of their vision, this wisdom / insight of the prince caused by the rape, imo induces them to include him in their ranks, when they could have easily killed him, and thus ensures the continuity of the anasurimbor line and the kelmomas prophecy

[Anonymous No.22241616]

>>22241577
Yeah, but why rape?

[Anonymous No.22241723]

>>22241577
>"there are no crimes when no one is left alive" and the boy understands it to and speaks to the dunyain thus: "as long as men live, there are crimes"

So this... is the genius philosopher Scott Bakker...

[Anonymous No.22241755]

how is /sfgg/s take on lotm2 so far?
lumian is quite morally unhinged compared to klein, i wonder if this will become a plot point eventually. also really want to see more returning characters.

[Anonymous No.22241756]

Ok but what about women raping men?

[Anonymous No.22241830]

>>22241756
Anon, much like pedophiles, the prefer easy prey. I suppose a guy can be gangraped. Restrict blood flow to an already erect cock and go.

[Anonymous No.22241849]

>>22241756
Give examples.

[Anonymous No.22241866]

>>22241616
>>22241723
The dunyain answer to the prince is also interesting: "no, only as long as he is deceived". This is an immediate repudiation of the ciphrang thinking, that they might feast on human souls after their lifetime, which they believe to be full of crime against another, but the dunyain draw the first schism here stating that crimes between others was not feasible if no party is deceived. The first thing the dunyain do after gaining ishual is to scrub out all the sorcerous mentions in stone work, they clearly recognize it as another illusion/deception by the ciphrang to further sully ones soul.

Re: the rape, perhaps this message would have to be internally felt by the prince to truly gain insight, other personal injuries might not have worked.

[Anonymous No.22241879]

>read book
>guy has a demon thrall helping him murder and rape
>guy only rapes other guys and little boys
:o

[Anonymous No.22241955]

>>22241849
Dragon Prince by melanie rawn, She's one of those feminist authors that likes noncon sex

[Anonymous No.22242054]

Why are fanfiction writers always absolute degenerates?
>Yeh're too small Dobby." Hagrid explained. "I'd rip yeh open."
>"Dobby stretches, sir!" The house elf said breathlessly.

[Anonymous No.22242089]

>>22242054
Why are you intentionally seeking out this sort of degeneracy if you don't want to read it? It's most definitely not always.

[Anonymous No.22242092]

>>22241849
Malazan features a surprising amount.

[Anonymous No.22242142]

I just finished Dune Messiah and honestly thought it was better than the first book. Felt like the missing final part and recontextualised everything. Was surprised since I had heard it's generally considered the weakest book in the series. About to start Children of Dune now, what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.22242145]

>>22233483
What do you guys think of Phillip K. Dick? I’ve been eyeing the Library of America edition for months now but it’s quite expensive. How do you like his works and are they worth the investment of a nice edition? Does anyone here own that particular edition?

[Anonymous No.22242152]

>>22242145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuUMir6gM8

[Anonymous No.22242154]

>>22242142
>About to start Children of Dune now, what am I in for?
/ss/

[Anonymous No.22242170]

>>22242145
He's one of the more evocative and influential sci-fi writers; a man of idea. Many of his works are wonderful, from his popular to lesser-known titles. What books does the LoA edition come with? Just get an e-reader and grab a bunch of his novels, and his five-volume collection of short stories. :)

[Anonymous No.22242173]

>>22240596
Horror hybrid, is it? People do seem to like it.

[Anonymous No.22242181]

>>22242142
You're in for a massive downgrade in narrative quality, but one that is kinda sorta required for the masterpiece that is God Emperor.

[Anonymous No.22242374]

>>22241046
Watch the film Cast a Deadly Spell. Kino

[Anonymous No.22242386]

>>22242173
ya. People describe it as Harry Potter in hell? It's not really that but it's fantastic

[Anonymous No.22242431]

>>22241866
I mean yeah, that stuff is plain on the surface: the bastard prince is left with representation of flawed human civilization - a bardic priest - and having suffered violence from him, he interprets his words into a usual maxima of social existence: people can't live together without conflict, which from then on becomes the ultimate justification for his mistrust and hatred for other people. The Dunyain explain their vision that a conflict would go away if people's thoughts were in harmonious agreement - if they were all self-moving souls free of false assumptions and traumatic motivations, not driven to conflict by the darkness that comes before.

But why rape?

>they clearly recognize it as another illusion/deception by the ciphrang to further sully ones soul.
The first chapter makes it clear that Dunyan don't believe that sorcery exists in any form whatsoever, illusion or no. It seems like they were removing all evidences of the past culture to start with a blank slate for their project.

>this message would have to be internally felt by the prince to truly gain insight
See anon this is why people don't take Bakker seriously. The kid just lost his parents and everyone else he knew, but that was obviously not enough trauma. The bardic priest could've gone insane and try and kill him, or he could be driving the prince himself insane with his ramblings, or he and the prince could be running out of stockpiled food - all of which cold motivate price to kill him, and which would empathise the guilt that prince himself feels for pushing the priest from a high wall.

But no, it just has to rape, every single fucking time. Like there's no other forms of violence to be had. Conphas' troops are not torturing or castrating or humiliating the Scylvendi captives - they are raping them. Cnaiur doesn't punch or kick Serwe - he rapes her. Aurang does not mind-break or mutilate or sterilize Esmenet - he rapes her. Istriya does not manipulate or emotionally abuse Xerius or Conphas - she rapes them. Cnaiur does not mutilate or beat Conphas - he rapes him, etc etc...

This is not a narrative or thematic necessity - it's Bakker's magical realm.

[Anonymous No.22242434]

>>22242145
Dick's great.

[Anonymous No.22242462]

>>22234324
>>22234331
Do these have a good story.

[Anonymous No.22242522]

>>22237859
Surprised you even made it through that book kek, what a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.22242901]

>>22238671
Just read the first 5 chapters and I'm already digging it.

Amazing reccomendation. Thank you

[Anonymous No.22242929]

>>22233483
>medieval sword and sorcery fantasy for the better part of 6 books
>no indication of technology beyond ~1300 levels for the most part
>some fleshgrafting pseudo-sorcery going on and some steampunk magitech but nothing like modern weaponry
>suddenly nukes
yeah I get the inchoroi are aliums who came on a spaceship, but if they've got nukes why didn't they use them before? why don't they just give assault rifles to their minions? how does kellhus know what radiation is? how COULD he know?

horseshit.

[Anonymous No.22242989]

>>22240618
PKD was a bad writer, generally. He wrote 40+ novels and out those there's maybe 4 - 5 actually ok ones. He didn't learn how to write properly until the early 70s when he had his psychotic episode

[Anonymous No.22243018]

>>22236535
>>22236535
Look into DJ Molles

[Anonymous No.22243067]

>>22242434

[Anonymous No.22243130]

>>22234032
Azarinth Healer and He Who Fights With Monsters weren't the best for my tastes, currently enjoying Dungeon Crawler Carl and I would highly recommend Double Blind to anyone looking for something with smarter characters than Azarinth. Slumrat Rising and Super Supportive are pretty promising as well.

[Anonymous No.22243138]

>>22242142
>what am I in for?
Nothing amazing, but worth it to get to God Emperor which is my favourite Dune.

[Anonymous No.22243193]

>>22243067
What? I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.22243241]

>>22234195
>The most popular authors on sffg are Jack Vance
Vance is the biggest meme out of them all. At least Wolfe and Bakker are unironically great prosaists. Vance is like the science-fantasy version of Asimov, simply grandfathered into being considered good because it was the 1950s or something

[Anonymous No.22243286]

>>22243130
try Everybody Loves Large Chests for a monster MC, it is damn entertaining

[Anonymous No.22243293]

>>22242989
Would you say the books he wrote in the 70s are worth it? Are they legitimately good?

[Anonymous No.22243329]

>>22243293
Yes. Dick became a markedly different and better writer in the 1970s, truly deserving of his cult status. The lumpen-maladroit prose of schlock like The Man in High Castle is a different world from the supple doom-shaded vernacular of Scanner Darkly.

[Anonymous No.22243364]

>>22242431
Actually, to be fair to Aurang that was the one time he didn't rape she was a prostitute and they negotiated a price before hand, he even tipped.

You're about Bakker though, even in the prose he uses rape metaphors constantly "He tore through their wards like a rapist through a silk shift" for example.

[Anonymous No.22244092]

>>22241755
On the one hand interesting, on the other hand boring.
Both caused by Lumian not being a transmigrator
I'm still unsure where this story is going, as there's zero mystery left in the setting after the first series, which was entirely carried by it's setting.
While Lumian is definitely more unhinged than Klein, it's not in an interesting way. He's probably never going to be ACTUALLY crazy, just fake narrative crazy to push the plot along. And he's got all the worst railroad plot armor parts of the Tarot club grafted onto him, he doesn't have any of the parts that made it interesting or worthwhile. Essentially Klein was receiving fake nepotism from himself, while Lumian is literally just getting his ass carried.

[Anonymous No.22244096]

>>22242522
I kind of dig it actually, even with its flaws and super horniness

[Anonymous No.22244116]

>>22238731
Your post would have been more entertaining if you had actually ripped into the books rather than just parroting standard reddit ad hominem.

[Anonymous No.22244195]

>plot of web novel turns into zombies vs plants

jfc why did this happen 200 chapters in

[Anonymous No.22244259]

Whats your GSV name c/lit/erotti

[Anonymous No.22244260]

>>22243241
Are you ESL?

[Anonymous No.22244284]

>>22244092
it lacks likeable characters i think. which is why i want the tarot club to return.
i do think there are some interesting things left in the story such as what the tarot club has been up to in the last five years and what their objective is for lumian. and i do like this premise of having multiple factions representing different gods/outer gods. same as with lotm1, except now the tarot club is able to sit at the table properly.

[Anonymous No.22244349]

TWI 9.52
I need Lyonette and Ilvriss to fuck PRONTO
It's literally written on the walls
Specially after that ball dance in Oteslia oh my lord

[Anonymous No.22244455]

everyone seems to love House of Suns but I dropped it after maybe 80, 100 pages. should I have kept going, did it filter me? shit, it's been years but I remember actually liking Revelation Space too, though it was a bit of a slog. also, please recommend some good standalone sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.22244460]

>>22244349
Lyonette is for bugsex and bugsex only, though I'm not that far yet, so stuff could change by 9.52.
Speaking of which, the ending of Vol 8 is certainly rushed thus far, wtf happened? Why did Pirate feel the need to there a large timeskip for over half of the 52 different plotlines?

[Anonymous No.22244462]

>>22244284
Yeah there's that it also feels like Lumian is at best just a pawn under Klein's control with no real agency of his own. I mean sure evil gods bad, but that's boring as shit. It would be much more interesting if that bullshit justice speech was at least partially true and the whole "humans vs monsters" conflict was more nuanced and large scale. Then Lumian could have actual agency and decisions beyond "fight evil" and would have to start considering whether the Tarot club really was the best thing for the world after all.
It would fit with his character, the one thing I like about it so far is the reveal that the core of the Hunter pathways is "fuck the man", a seething defiance of being controlled or used against your will. It's highly ironic, but also appropriate for his position as everyone, including the author himself, is jerking him around.

[Anonymous No.22244500]

Which novellas should I be reading? Preferably those that have their own release rather than only being in some other book along with other stories.

[Anonymous No.22244510]

>>22244500
checked. Ted Chaing's stuff is in collections, but also standalone online. https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/exhalation/

Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/

[Anonymous No.22245016]

What are some good books exploring the idea of humanity uniting against a common threat/problem?

[Anonymous No.22245025]

>>22245016
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.22245152]

>>22245016
The Lord of the Rings

[Anonymous No.22245191]

>>22245016
Three Body Problem

[Anonymous No.22245223]

>>22245191
I am compelled to read it because the author is neither from Taiwan nor Hong Kong. Surely it has some commie pozz to it. I want to see how it is.

[Anonymous No.22245249]

>>22245191
>Three Reddit Problem

[Anonymous No.22245301]

>>22245016
the overarching theme of The Wheel of Time is this, but it doesn't REALLY start to get into it until like book 7ish (of 14).

[Anonymous No.22245315]

Best monster girls in slop fantasy?

[Anonymous No.22245334]

>>22242170
>>22243329
The edition contains the following works:

The Man in the High Castle • The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch • Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? • Ubik • Martian Time-Slip • Dr. Bloodmoney • Now Wait for Last Year • Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said • A Scanner Darkly • A Maze of Death • VALIS • The Divine Invasion • The Transmigration of Timothy Archer

Are they worth it?

[Anonymous No.22245360]

>>22245334
>Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
>A Scanner Darkly
>VALIS
These are great

>The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
> Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
These are good.

The rest are entirely optional

[Anonymous No.22245390]

Not shilling, but i got really into Graphic Audio readings of Stormlight Archives, it's like an old-timey radio play with an actual cast and sound effects and shit, really neat. Anyone have any recommendations of anything in their fantasy library, beyond SA? https://www.graphicaudio.net/our-productions/genres/fantasy.html

[Anonymous No.22245434]

>>22234020
currently reading Hyperion and loving it. Is Endymion also worth reading after this?

[Anonymous No.22245448]

>>22242929
The inchoroi have been visiting planets and culling populations for eons now, even when they attack the nonmen they attack with weapons of light/laser, by the end, there are only 2 laser weapons left, the heron spear, which has its own power source and is mobile, and the other which is powered by the electrical outlet of the arc and is used by kellhus to destroy the canted horn.

Considering also that the inchoroi are basically bio robots and the brain behind the operations, the computer on the arc, is destroyed during it's landing, it is quite possible that the inchoroi do not have the initiative to act on anything to do with technology, but only of biology, and thus may not know how to make rifles.

The nonmen are into magical technology and they cannot comprehend complete technology as well, I believe that they cannot identify colours or paintings. So only humans can work with the arc's computer to develop new technologies; recall that the no-god was instituted after the involvement of the mangaeeca, realistically if they knew how to start the carapace, the inchoroi would not have undertaken long and costly battles with the nonmen

[Anonymous No.22245453]

its tough to be a pirate reader these days

[Anonymous No.22245502]

>>22245434
They may not reach the same peak level as Hyperion does but the sequels are all still good.

[Anonymous No.22245523]

>>22245448
Why do you believe that inchoroi are the ones doing the culling? They are, as you said, bio-robots. The Arc doesn't require them to be soldiers. They just crashed and got released.

[Anonymous No.22245549]

>>22245523
I think aurang reminisces about the culling he undertook with the holy swarm on different planets before crashing into earwa

[Anonymous No.22245625]

>>22244460
because v8 was stupidly long and needed to conclude.

[Anonymous No.22245626]

https://scottnesbitt.online/one-for-the-science-fiction-fans

[Anonymous No.22245717]

>>22245434
No.

[Anonymous No.22245745]

Does anyone have a pdf of Gotrek and Felix: Giantslayer? I've tried the /tg/ sharethread without success. Pretty much every other book in the series are in the archives, but not this one.

[Anonymous No.22245774]

>>22245745
I read all of the Gotrek and Felix books and I'm saying skip Giantslayer. It fucking sucks. You can skip Orcslayer too. Both of the books are fucking miserable. And you're not really missing and relevant story with it.

[Anonymous No.22245895]

>half a dozen suicides in as many chapters
Jesus, CoI is pure torture porn isn't it? I don't remember LotM being this grim, especially near the beginning. What's this leading up to?

[Anonymous No.22245925]

>>22245895
crap, did i just get spoiled? i only saw one suicide iirc. i'm a few chapters behind tho.
that being said i hope things devolve even further and lumian becomes more unhinged or loses control so the psychologists can play a bigger role.

[Anonymous No.22246012]

>>22245774
should I skip to manslayer?
What do you mean by miserable? The story's bad?

[Anonymous No.22246076]

Sometimes I wonder...was Chun truly unavoidable, or just very hard to avoid?

[Anonymous No.22246089]

>>22246076
Chun was the weakest story in the entire series so I don't care.

[Anonymous No.22246160]

>>22234648
He says he wants to visit every floor but he's also said he expects the series to be 10 books long. With book 6 starting floor 8 I can imagine something is going to get fucked up along the way.

[Anonymous No.22246171]

>>22241046
It's a manga, but Mail.

[Anonymous No.22246202]

I'm halfway through this book and it's good so far so I decided to watch the movie.

Holy shit the movie was horrendous. The book series isn't ass dumb right?

[Anonymous No.22246207]

>>22246202
The movie was not horrendous, it was just very different and not even close to being 100% faithful to the book.

[Anonymous No.22246248]

>>22245334
>The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Wonderful.
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Great.
>Ubik
Great.
>Martian Time-Slip
One of my top favorite Dick stories.
>Flow My Tears
I actually did not like this at all.
>A Scanner Darkly
Great.
>A Maze of Death
Great. It might be the first literature instance of a death/escape game.
>VALIS
My first Dick story and completely unlike anything else, due to its biographical nature.
>Divine Invasion
I read this but I don't remember anything about it.

The others, I have not read or do not want to and thus have nothing to offer.

[Anonymous No.22246293]

>>22241756
>comments disabled

[Anonymous No.22246319]

best /ss/ fantasy/sci-fi book? (asking for a friend)

[Anonymous No.22246331]

>>22242929
Tekne is brought up from the first book.

[Anonymous No.22246367]

Just finished it
Literally the epitome of very high highs and low as fuck lows
Called the "Dragon Reborn" yet Rand fucks off like an emo fag for like 95% of the whole thing
Mat and Perrin portions were great, sucks that Mat didnt receive focus earlier
Egewene still is, and get ready for the shock of the century, a dumb cunt and her chapters fucking suck
Final fight was cool

[Anonymous No.22246373]

>>22246248
Ubik is a turd.

[Anonymous No.22246397]

>>22246367
The final act where everyone ends up in the Stone doing their own thing is one of my favorites in the series. The next book is even better and features a lot more Mat so have fun with it.
>very high highs and low as fuck lows
This could be said for the series as a whole.

[Anonymous No.22246420]

>>22246373
>couldn't keep up with the layers
Don't even bother reading Egan then.

[Anonymous No.22246482]

>>22246420
There was only one layer. The ending was an asspull.

[Anonymous No.22246539]

>>22246160
Just because someone wants something to happen doesn't mean it will. It could be that they're just described in some way, or that there's brief post-series content about them. It's a mystery indeed.

[Anonymous No.22246598]

>Norrel and Drede from Terberec want to wage war against Rok and Ceneth and Coren and the rest of the lords of Sirle and Cyrin and Gules and Ter and Rommalb and the Eldwold creatures with Maelga and Tamlorn and Sybel and her lineage which spans back thousands upon thousands of years and btw she's related to the royal family and and
I fucking hate fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22246633]

>>22245390
>Graphic Audio
Obviously the rest of the Brandon Sanderson stuff (Elantris, Warbreaker, Mistborn). Maybe the Riyria books by Michael J Sullivan as well.

[Anonymous No.22246634]

I AM READY FOR CARL TO BURN EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND NOW.

[Anonymous No.22246668]

>>22246634
Donut stop typing in caps.

[Anonymous No.22246712]

>>22246668
DOES IT REALLY MATTER, CARL? I MEAN, REALLY. YOU SEE DESTRUCTION AND HEARTACHE ON EVERY FLOOR BUT YOUR PRIORITY IS CAPITAL LETTERS? MONGO WOULD BE APPALLED.

[Anonymous No.22246730]

>>22246598
Just be firmly sexist when it comes to fantasy and sci-fi writers. It won't save you from degenerates, naturally.

[Anonymous No.22246835]

>>22246598
Not sure why people don't make more fantasy taking place in our own world when where we live has so much lore you can sift through. That's why I'm doing it

[Anonymous No.22246907]

>>22246835
Go read girly smut. It's overwhelmingly urban fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22246932]

>>22246835
Ruski time.

[Anonymous No.22246991]

>>22246907
I don't think that anon is talking about urban fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22247048]

>>22246991
This world is so lost and full of bugmen that they think "urban" is synonymous with "real life".

[Anonymous No.22247058]

>>22246991
"Urban" means "modern real life", anon. It doesn't matter if it takes place in a city, or a town, or countryside.

[Anonymous No.22247093]

>>22246907
I'm talking about more like alt history maybe, like John M Ford's The Dragon Waiting. Or Manly Wellman's Silver John series (which has inspired me to write something similar). Even Gene Wolfe's BoTN main reason it interests me is the sutle references or misinterpretations of real life things/stories.

[Anonymous No.22247122]

>>22234640
yfw

[Anonymous No.22247139]

>>22234640
'jak em

[Anonymous No.22247174]

>>22242929
The dreams make it super super obvious that the heron spear is some form of laser weapon.

Also,
> steampunk magitech
disgusting phrase

> but if they've got nukes why didn't they use them before? why don't they just give assault rifles to their minions?
They don't know how. The Inchoroi are like if a man's dog took over trying to use his car when it crashed and he died.

[Anonymous No.22247228]

>>22242431
>Conphas' troops are not torturing or castrating or humiliating the Scylvendi captives - they are raping them.
???
>The thought dizzied Cnaiür with its implications. Suddenly, everything he had witnessed and heard since joining the horde possessed different meaning: the buggery of their Scylvendi captives, the mocking embassies, even the positioning of their privies—all calculated to gall the People into attacking.
Thats just one example of several they use to goad them into attacking. Killing or torturing the captives would have done nothing to anger the Scylvendi - thats just the price of being weak when part of 'the people of war'.
>Istriya does not manipulate or emotionally abuse Xerius or Conphas
What?

The Cnaiur and Inchoroi examples make perfect sense, given how fucked in the head those characters are. Take out Cnaiur coping with being attracted to men, or the Inchoroi being hedonists, and they're totally different. The rest you've just misrepresented. It seems like Bakker mentions sexual assault a lot because its conspicuously absent in fantasy, despite the large scale wars taking place and the precedent set for it. Its just a type of violence that happens when people clash, and is treated that way in the story as well.

[Anonymous No.22247234]

>finished Second Apocalypse over 2 months ago
>still cannot get that ending (specifically the final sentence) out of my head
I've read hundreds of stories, if not at least a thousand, the ending of Unholy Consult is simply beyond compare.

It's also incredibly slick that the literal first words of the entire series "One cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten." wrap all the way around to the ending where Kellhus seals his fate because he forgot about Kelmo.

[Anonymous No.22247248]

>>22245745
>see attached
Its got some fun magic in it. Pretty sure its William King's last Gotrek novel, so quality falls off a fucking cliff after it.

[Anonymous No.22247308]

>>22247248
Oops

[Anonymous No.22247497]

>>22246367
>Final fight was cool
Rand going final fantasy mode was Kino.
Also the fight between Mat, Galad and Gawyn fucking sucked, i have no idea why every WoT fan loves it so much.

[Anonymous No.22247715]

>>22247497
>i have no idea why every WoT fan loves it so much
Really? You honestly have no idea? The whole section of the story with Mat in the Tower is great and that is maybe the highlight. It is not about the mechanics of the fight, those doesn't matter. It is all the different PoV's we get including Mat's and how they perceive the fight, and of course all the symbolism.

[Anonymous No.22247931]

>>22238671
>a goddess transports mc to a new world
>mc is given a cheat (takes over the body of the strongest swordsman)
>buys a slave girl gf
Bro, how long have isekai stories been going on?

[Anonymous No.22247962]

>>22247931
>Bro, how long have isekai stories been going on?
like 1200 years give or take 50.
lemme blow your mind real quick. alice in wonderland and wizard of oz are both technical isekais.

[Anonymous No.22248025]

>>22247931
>Zoomers find out about portal fantasy
>"Wow just like isekai anime!!"
SAD!

[Anonymous No.22248093]

Carl is a funny name.

[Anonymous No.22248106]

>>22248093
True.

[Anonymous No.22248116]

>Sanderson finally does something somewhat interesting with his world building ending the book on a sour note where the two MCs that have spent the entire book building a romance are separated because one of them is a 2000 year old spirit trapped in a time loop
>lmao nope jk he completely upends it at the end with the power of love and friendship and brings the 2000 year old spirit back to life and to the current timeline to be with the other MC
3/3 of his currently released Secret Novels have been Novellas-at-best-that-probably-shouldn't-have-even-been-printed

[Anonymous No.22248125]

>Sanderson finally does something somewhat interesting with his world building ending the book on a sour note where the two MCs that have spent the entire book building a romance are separated because one of them is a 2000year old spirit trapped in a time loop
>lmao nope jk he completely upends it at the end with the power of love and friendship and brings the 2000 year old spirit back to life and to the current timeline to be with the other MC
3/3 of his currently released Secret Novels have been Novellas-at-best-that-probably-shouldn't-have-even-been-printed

[Anonymous No.22248197]

>Tattersail
More like Tater sale!

[Anonymous No.22248214]

>>22247962
As is Connecticut Yankee

[Anonymous No.22248336]

>>22248125
Not using spoilers is unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.22248341]

>>22248025
The oldest zoomers are now 26 years old.

[Anonymous No.22248351]

>>22247122
>>22247139
That's how it went, yeah.

[Anonymous No.22248358]

>>22248125
They were originally only intended for his wife to ever see. All 4 of them. An audience of 1.

[Anonymous No.22248365]

>>22245745
Why would you want a pdf instead of epub?

[Anonymous No.22248366]

>>22247962
Isekai has morphed into a subgenre of portal fantasy during the past decade or so. Describing Alice in Wonderland or Chronicles of Narnia as Isekai is both technically correct and wholly inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.22248374]

>>22248366
If it morphed then what was it before morning?

[Anonymous No.22248379]

>>22248374
They were the same. Isekai became something different and bad.

[Anonymous No.22248397]

>>22248365
nta but pdfs are easier to covert to docs and write notes in

[Anonymous No.22248406]

>>22248397
You want to write notes in the text of the book itself as if it were a physical book?

[Anonymous No.22248411]

>>22248365
He's probably using pdf as a catchall for an ebook, anon.

[Anonymous No.22248414]

>>22248411
see
>>22247308

[Anonymous No.22248429]

>>22248397
>writing notes
Holy psued.

[Anonymous No.22248447]

>>22248429
>not saving the complete sum of all your thoughts and experiences
You're never going to make it in the future of saving your entire life and uploading it.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifelog

[Anonymous No.22248473]

>>22248447
glows

[Anonymous No.22248496]

>>22248473
We're all glowing these days.

[Anonymous No.22248649]

>>22239867
Glad you're enjoying it. You jumped in at the right time too. Yhe author just began writing again after a year long hiatus

[Anonymous No.22248921]

>>22247931
The bullshit swordsman legalese is surprisingly engaging.

[Anonymous No.22249109]

>>22246012
Yeah, just skip to manslayer, though I'd say skip to another series or another warhammer book in general, you've read the good parts already. The rest of the series is written by Nathan Long, and it's not terrible, but to me it feels like it looses the original feel of G&F. Their fame starts spreading and it feels like they powered up to a ridiculous extent.
For book recommendations, I'd suggest the Blackhearts series and The Enemy Within (book, not TTRPG campaign) by Richard Lee Byer. Other than that there's a few good chaos champion books are good, the skaven books are good, and I've heard good things about the Malus books.
Btw, you can pirate books off of Zlibrary, if you can't find it in the /whfg/ mega.

[Anonymous No.22249259]

>>22248358
Not the 4th, the sunlit man was always intended to be written as it follows after sa5 and features sigzil.

You can tell from the tone, 1 and 3 has hoid as a narrator, 4th is strictly from sigzils pov

[Anonymous No.22249668]

>>22248358
Makes sense. Both Tress and Yumi have some very interesting ideas with the world building but overall the story and characters fall flat. Then again you can say that about basically any Sanderson book, so I'm not sure why I'm so surprised that the Secret Projects are following that same pattern.

[Anonymous No.22250090]

I like Dune. It's very comfy.