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I have read that at least from Socrates and Plato philosophy was kind of a path to guide the pupil to wisdom through different types of exercises like meditation, discourse, etc
But what about pre-Socratic philosophers, were they any different from that? I mean, maybe they were proto-physics trying to explain reality not so caring about spiritual stuff, virtue or moral?

>> No.22207330

>>22207317
Peter Kingsley claims Parmenides and Empedocles did that kind of shit. Thales, Anaximenes, Anaximander, and Anaxagoras however were “built different” and didn’t care about that bs. Heraclitus was basically religious but he was a lone individual.

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>>22207330
Thank you, good post. I've been reading a bit of Pierre Hadot who talks about stoics and epicurean's spiritual practices and was an expert on neo-platonism. He also mention Plato and Socrates.

My cousin is reading W.K.C. Guthrie and mentioned something like this but I thought it was odd, I will check Kingsley.

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>>22207317
According to my ancient phil. professors, IIRC that is, Socrates marks the beginning of a sort of anthropocentric stage of philosophy (the presocratics being more focused on explaining the cosmos and physis), so the answer is yes they were different. But this is a very basic and easily answered question, what's the point of this thread?
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>>22207317
>I mean, maybe they were proto-physics trying to explain reality not so caring about spiritual stuff, virtue or moral?

>> No.22207935

>>22207769
The point being I wanted to know if pre-Socratics, somehow, devoided themselves of myths and some kind of magical or deistic thinking making them the first rationalists to some extent
>>22207808
I'm hoping for them being some kind of mages instead, Anon, not sure what you're implying

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>>22207935
>The point being I wanted to know if pre-Socratics, somehow, devoided themselves of myths and some kind of magical or deistic thinking making them the first rationalists to some extent
The short answer is yes, and that has been the dominant view since Aristoteles commented on them.
Even though some of the pre-socratics (namely Pythagoras) retained some "mystical" elements, they have been largely considered, starting with Thales, proto-physics (pic related).