/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.22206894]

How do I get into Dugin? I know that it is probably worth reading Heidegger and Spengler first, but maybe there is something else that is worth reading, watching and understanding before trying to read and comprehend Dugin's philosophy? Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn? Berdyaev and Ilyin? Early Eurasianists? Any other suggestion?

[Anonymous No.22206898]

>>22206894
Waste of time unless you're a vatnik.

[Anonymous No.22206903]

>>22206894
just read the Wikipedia page on Heidegger, Spengler and Schmitt because that seems to be what he has done. His comprehension of these authors is one of the most superficial and wrong that I've ever encountered.

[Anonymous No.22206912]

>Dugin's philosophy
It's a barely coherent hodgepodge of everything and the kitchen sink. There's nothing to comprehend really. Dugin was a resident schizo on NTV back in the 90s/00s, which was our History Channel on steroids (xfiles, ayyliums, psionic weaponry, every brand of political conspiracy etc).
>>22206898
>>>/k/eddit

[Anonymous No.22206919]

>>22206894
>General articles of him I have saved (some more long and deep, others more fiery and ranting)
https://file.io/q98u7LHe2D7J
>Articles on the war in the ukraine (can get a bit samey)
https://file.io/Yh0jHWWQL7Ay
>Articles by his "allies" that get posted on his website
https://file.io/jCqeECwoPr93

Youtube links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlh0q4n6-Rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrnJKf-hhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk52o-khc-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVVipiukPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCkw_20R04Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AriAS05xdu0

I also recommend Michael Millerman on Youtube, he translated his books into English and is very good at explaining Dugins thought

(my favorite of his books is "Ethnosociology: The Foundations" and its sequel "Ethnos and Society". They are also non-political)

[Anonymous No.22206920]

>>22206912
What other Russian philosophers, who are alive and relevant, could you recommend, anon? Nevertheless, I will still try to read Dugin, in particular his Fourth Political Theory and the Foundations of Geopolitics, it seems to me that these books somehow influenced the world and its perception by Russians.

[Anonymous No.22206923]

>>22206919
I can chuck this one in also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z98moTOa7Y

Here is Michael Millerman; check both "videos" and "live" tabs
https://www.youtube.com/@millerman

[Anonymous No.22206927]

>>22206919
>>22206923
Wow, thanks for this compilation, anon.

[Anonymous No.22206932]

>>22206927
https://file.io/IpaSg5kquVHO
Seems like the file-links got deleted, so here are the same stuff in zipped

[Anonymous No.22206934]

>>22206927
https://easyupload.io/rgrvl8
Re-uploading files here incase they got deleted, which it seems like for me??

[Anonymous No.22207098]

>>22206894
If you want to go for someone who is based on Spengler just go for Yockey instead.
Similiar to Dugin after him, Yockey puts red and brown plagues together. He is also Pan-European instead of Eurasian.
He argues for the unification of Europe but not for economic reasons like the EU but founded on spiritual reasons instead.
He shares Dugin's hatred for america but from a pro-european view instead of a complete anti-western view.
He is favorable to the Soviet Union and would have preferred a Soviet-led world but only because he believed that Communist states are better for the rise of third-positionism (See North Korea or Maoist China and even the USSR in the last few years of Stalins rule) and also because he thought it would be easier to rebel against the Soviets because they are an outside force and it would be harder to get rid of the american parasite because they are part of the western civilisation
He also worked with Mosley for a time but then split off to form his own "European Liberation Front".
I am personally not a third-postionist and don't agree with him on most of his points but its a pretty good read and you won't have to endure endless complaining about the "evil atlanticist west".

[Anonymous No.22207105]

There was also a story: once we lived at Kuryokhin's place - Dugin, me(Letov) and Nyurych. We wake up, I open the window, Dugin lies thoughtfully on the bed, asks: "And where is Omsk located?" I say: "Well, where: in the south of Siberia. Near Kazakhstan." "Kazakhstan is near? And what if the Kazakhs poisoned the wind? They can poison the wind! Close the window immediately: the wind is poisoned!" And, in all seriousness: he was scared terribly, he began to walk around the room. "The Kazakhs, damn it, poisoned the wind - how can I go? So it is, for sure. I know they have reed people. They have Lake Balkhash, and reeds and canes grow in large quantities there. And reed people live there, reed people who never stick out of water, only breathe through a tube. Then he thought again, thought and said: "And in the middle of Balkhash there is a huge island, where lives a gigantic, enormous cat, whom they all worship." He says: “Damn, reed people! Reed people are all around, what can we do? They can arrange an invasion! That’s all - then we’ll be finished! If reed people crawl out, they’ll climb on us with their cat! And the cat is huge, three meters tall!"

[Anonymous No.22207368]

>>22206894
Dugin is more like introducing you to Heidegger and Spangler. He is a far easier read than them. Ofc you won't get it fully till you read all of them, but Dugin is actually the introduction material you can need for Spengler.

[Anonymous No.22207464]

>>22206894
After Heidegger and Spengler you need to read Severino, not Dugin.

[Anonymous No.22207524]

Commies must be destroyed, and I’d happily put my boot on this old faggots neck and videotape it for you to watch. It wouldn’t be difficult to do

[Anonymous No.22207551]

>>22207524
>Commies
America is the current engine of left wing radicalism.

[Anonymous No.22207574]

>>22206894
LOL WHAT DO THE LIBERALS POSIT DESTORY RUSSIA ITS ORK EMPIRE BRO:

fuck me these guys just dont want to kampf

[Anonymous No.22207575]

>>22207524
>Commies must be destroyed
Correct, along with liberals and fascists. Then the fourth political theory will prevail.

[Anonymous No.22207576]

>>22207105
Cool story from Steppe Khazak Master Race.

[Anonymous No.22207578]

It was funny when his daughter died lol.

[Anonymous No.22207579]

>>22207575

Wouldnt these guys just be contained within the fourth. Is the fourth idealogy not just 1984 Pedo hunt hyperwar

[Anonymous No.22207583]

>>22207578
No it very sad. Steppe had to fly eagle to find highest mountain to bury her. She came back to life though.

[Anonymous No.22207586]

>>22206894
FREE WILL GAYYYYYYY
FREE for what
Gay sex KIll yourself bro.

[Anonymous No.22207589]

>>22207579
The fourth political theory is, in fact, a denial of all three dominant political theories of modernity and a return to the neo—feudal and religious principle.

[Anonymous No.22207807]

>>22206920
Here. He's probably right about a lot of things, particularly his work on what the pineal gland does. Other doctors do not like him at all.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%92%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

[Anonymous No.22207815]

>>22207464
redpill me on heckin' Severino. give me some nuggets of insight that he revealed

[Anonymous No.22207857]

>>22206894
Read his essay collection Political Platonism. The rest is probably not very valuable. He's all about the ortholarp, multipolarity, lame 21st century geopolitics etc.
>>22206912
Not entirely true, he actually manages to scrape together a semi-acceptable defence of identity and authenticity, which is a pretty good feat given the time and environment we live in. But he is a spiritual NPC. This is why he couldn't follow up with Evola and Guenon properly but had to latch onto a bunch of residues and weird philosophies like Heidegger's.

[Anonymous No.22207871]

>>22206894
Dugin raises interesting questions and themes, especially the possibility for a Fourth Political Theory and a few interesting insights into often-neglected philosophers and their historical insights, but he is otherwise a sloppy and horribly agenda-driven thinker.
>>22206919
Millerman has to be one of the most meandering and vacillating commentators on philosophy in the modern era. There's almost never a punch line with him.

[Anonymous No.22207880]

>>22207524
You'd get beaten and molested with a bottle in an instant showing your inbred incel face in Russian public

[Anonymous No.22207938]

>>22206894
I'm russian. Dugin is a clown and a waste of time. As others said, his ideas are just a kitchen sink of Heidegger and Schmitt and such. If you really want to understand what russians all about, just watch Kraut's video on russian ideology. TLDR: It's all just imperialism and Ivan Ilyin's fascism. Don't be fooled by Doogin's le hecking trad appearance, he's useless as a thinker. At the latest Z event, he suggested that Russia in near future should polymorph into flying villages on dirigibles. He's a delusional debil.

[Anonymous No.22207981]

>>22206894
this guy's a retard, not a philosopher

[Anonymous No.22208008]

>>22207938
>he doesn't want to live in a flying village
Absolute state of liberashkas.

[Anonymous No.22208011]

>>22207938
his great skill is marketing himself to the west as a new rasputin, allowing them to explain that russia isnt a western liberal democracy because a schizo political philosopher is whispering in putin's ear

[Anonymous No.22208012]

>>22207981
What's the difference though?

[Anonymous No.22208027]

>>22206894
You can't really adapt Spengler to traditionalist worldview, because as a neutral observer of history, Spengler would remark that every season in a civilization's history has it's up and downsides, yes modernity isn't really the place for great religious sentiment or art, but he respected science and technology and saw it rightly as modernity greatest achievement. He would also remark that Traditionalist is nothing more then a fad inside of modernity, the second religiousness will be different. He actually stated the second religiousness won't be rehashing late religious sentiments from oriental civilizations, but something more like radical protestantism and perhaps early catholicism.

[Anonymous No.22208069]

>>22207938
You're not a Russian you libtard piece of shit. Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.22208075]

>>22208011
>western liberal democracy
Where is that? I see only a vaguely maoist revolution happening. Dugin is a retard first and foremost because he thinks "Western liberalism" is alive in any way.

[Anonymous No.22208085]

>>22206894
>Sloped forehead
>Diminished prefrontal cortex
No thanks. Racism and physiognomy have never failed me, and they're telling me this guy is a smoothbrain.

[Anonymous No.22208090]

>Dugin
Too pro-Russian to be of any interest

[Anonymous No.22208098]

>>22207880
I’d get beaten? I carry a gun you dumb motherfucker. Non-Americans are like children sometimed

[Anonymous No.22208104]

>>22208075
>where is that
in the minds of think tankers and journos, they need a way to explain why russia isnt on their side and does things they dont approve of. they dont want to talk cynically about politics so they wont admit money and power are the main reasons and they prop up someone like dugin as the reason.

[Anonymous No.22208115]

>>22208098
The fuck are you on about you lunatic? You ain't gonna do shit now shut up and stop shitting up the thread

[Anonymous No.22208123]

>>22208115
Lol, in Russia there’s 3,500 crimes committed with guns per year. You want to know how many crimes are committed with guns in the US per year? Over 500,000. Le big tough Russians. I’d love for a fucking Russian to show his face in Chitown at night. We’d really see how tough they are

[Anonymous No.22208130]

>>22208123
>500k gun crimes a year is a good thing
mate u have down syndrome. go shoot up a school or something

[Anonymous No.22208136]

>>22208130
I’m gonna keep it real with you. I just came to be controversial. That was dishonest of me. Sorry

[Anonymous No.22208153]

>>22208136
based&honest Anon

[Anonymous No.22208182]

>>22206894
Cyщнocть в видe гнoмикa.

Дyмaeм.

[Anonymous No.22208287]

>>22208069
>You're not a Russian you libtard piece of shit. Go fuck yourself
This is how Sprite currently looks in Russia. Blow me, you fucking racetraitor russiaboo.

[Anonymous No.22208302]

>>22208287
Wait, how would a Russian not be a race traitor. I'm Russian btw.

[Anonymous No.22208332]

>>22208287
cильнoгaзиpoвaнный!!!
Hello Russiafriend, please make sure to restore primordial Slavic Hyperborea okay? I hate burgers so much it's unreal.
Greetings from Kazakhstan.

[Anonymous No.22208348]

>>22208287
I buy imported sodas on Ozon. Root beer and pineapple Fanta in particular.

[Anonymous No.22208373]

>>22206894
Dugin practically exists to regurgitate Russian foreign policy in philosophical jargon. He's not a "philosopher" of any substance at all. His predictions and judgments are nothing short of embarrassing and no one but the most TV-brainwashed vatnik or copium-huffing Western Russia-fellater would believe them.

[Anonymous No.22208383]

>>22208287
What are your thoughts on ginger ale? Have you ever had root beer

[Anonymous No.22208392]

>>22208008
>>he doesn't want to live in a flying village
No I don't, sounds like a logistical nightmare. Amerifarts had problems with maintaining Alcatraz, which is just 1 island. Russia has about 153 thousand villages. Add about 25 thousand villages for Moscow and 15 for Saint Petersburg. Imagine every village as a flying dirigible. Now imagine Doogin taking a fat shit. This is how he comes up with ideas like this.

>>22208302
>Wait, how would a Russian not be a race traitor. I'm Russian btw.
W-what. Are you serious? Well...I suggest trying to love your identity. Don't be ashamed of being a Russian. Read classics, Dosto, Tolsto, Bulga, etc. There's a lot to love about our country. Government sucks dick, but people also suck dick. But there's also smart people around you, and some good people too. Appreciate them. Try to decrease entropy and degeneracy around yourself. Don't drink, or drink less. Feed the kots. Be good.

>>22208332
Greetings! Love your steam decks.

>>22208348
Ozon delivers books in bad condition thougheverbeitmst.

[Anonymous No.22208402]

>>22208383
You can only get A&W root beer in Moscow. It's weird but not bad. I tasted ginger ale before, but I don't remember what it was like.

[Anonymous No.22208435]

>>22206920
Fursov.
Also re Dugin, I think you can just go ahead with The Fourth Political Theory.

[Anonymous No.22208471]

>>22208287
You're still retarded for being liberal. You don't understand that the West will only accept one Russia - one that doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.22208478]

>>22206894
>NOOOOOOOO MY HECKIN DAUGHTER

[Anonymous No.22208514]

>>22208471
>You're still retarded for being liberal.
You decided that I am a liberal only because I'm calling out Dugin's bullshit and not kissing his ass, like you do? Why should you even kiss his ass - only because he's le hecking based and trad? That's just stupid.
And how being a liberal is more retarded than being a right-wing? It's all the same to me. It's all the same to Putin, too. You have no idea about real political ideology of Russia.
>You don't understand that the West will only accept one Russia - one that doesn't exist.
The entire political elite of Russia have their offspring getting education in USA.

[Anonymous No.22208526]

>>22208402
Coke or Pepsi. Is Pepsi a thing in Russia

[Anonymous No.22208601]

>>22207938
>Kraut's video on russian ideology. TLDR: It's all just imperialism and Ivan Ilyin's fascism
Kys subhuman

[Anonymous No.22208670]

>>22208526

Do you not know about Generation P?

[Anonymous No.22208672]

>>22206894
As >>22206912 and >>22207938 said, he's a fucking schizo ranting about how he wants to imprison surfers and how Russians are safe from anti-white pogroms due to being partially asian. Thank God he didn't get vaporized along with his daughter, he would've been elevated to the rank of martyr.

[Anonymous No.22208674]

>>22206894
You'll read Spengler then realise you don't need to read anyone else

[Anonymous No.22208716]

>>22208674

You just exchanged one metaphysics for another, the need for "philosophical religions" in our present cultures is honestly pathetic and intellectually stifling.

[Anonymous No.22208753]

>>22208027
>second religiousness
I've been interpreting the second religiousness as the revival of patriotism and American exceptionalism among the "Left" in America, and the broader renaissance of belief in the ideals of the West in Europe. Yeah, that's not actually religion but it sort of fits with what Spengler was saying. There's also a kind of cynicism and power politics behind it but it's definitely happening. We're living in an era where a majority of Americans and especially Democrats agree that there's a new "Axis of Evil" that needs to be defeated in the name of "our Western ideals", while at the same time cynical manipulation and machiavellianism by elites is at an all time high, and no fundamental progress is being made on economics or climate issues. It has a very Spenglerian end of empire vibe.

[Anonymous No.22208832]

>>22206894
>wasting time with a lunatic Satanist who sacrificed his own retarded daughter for God knows what reasons
just don't anon

[Anonymous No.22208993]

I know Russian and I often read Russian-language forums like Dvach. Every Russian I have ever seen express an opinion about Dugin says that Dugin is irrelevant. But he gets brought up all the time on places like Reddit I guess because it makes people feel smart when they tell others "hey, there's this book The Foundations of Geopolitics and it's the playbook that they're following!". Meanwhile when I look at the reality I have a hunch that there is no plan, they're just making it up as they go along. Putin isn't some 10D chess player, he's actually pretty bad at foreign policy. I have never read The Foundations of Geopolitics but a look at the wikipedia summary reveals a mix of actual, credible geopolitical ideas with weird bullshit like seizing northern China and giving the Chinese Southeast Asia as a compensation (having not read the book, I of course do not know how Dugin proposes to invade a nuclear-armed state but whatever).

[Anonymous No.22209050]

>>22206898
This, you don’t. I used to like him until I found out he took from Franz Boas and wanted people like me dead. Nah I’m good, I formed my own worldview

[Anonymous No.22209054]

>>22207551
By people that are not American, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.22209063]

>>22208130
Down syndrome people are based

[Anonymous No.22209075]

>>22208392
>Government sucks dick, but people also suck dick

[Anonymous No.22209775]

> Take western based philosophers
> Chew their ideas
> Spit it out for Russian low-IQ imperialists.

[Anonymous No.22210615]

>>22208672
>>22208514

don't forget his repressed dedovschina fantasies

[Anonymous No.22210664]

>>22210615
Can't believe people actually take this retard seriously, he's like some living meme

[Anonymous No.22210669]

>>22210664
Americans, and some other westerners, fall for this le based trad russia larp hook line and sinker so they keep him around as a useful idiot

[Anonymous No.22210702]

I think it's genuinely funny that whenever you mention Dugin a horde of shit flinging morons crawl out of the woodworks. It's kind of like when you try to talk about Marx, Hitler, and other major figures. Except Dugin is just a former sociology professor. But because he's a designated boogeyman any conversation about him is likely to draw in at least ~30% angry bad faith illiterates. And I say this without having any special love for Dugin, who seems to me to be a garden variety 90s Russia schizo, if a particularly smart one.

[Anonymous No.22210725]

>>22206894
Best works by Dugin aren't translated in English. It's about Guenonism and Christianity. Other books have less value, because he's just promoting weird mix of Communism and Nationalism (that's not Third or Fourth way, he takes elements of the old ideologies and try to pretend that this is something new). His father was a Soviet general with name Gelios. That's why Dugin is so obsessed with Pagan Imperialism and Idea of Eternal Empire (Rome, Byzantium, Moscovia).

Read his Guenonian books, if you know Russian (3 books included in Aбcoлютнaя Poдинa). Stay away of Eurasianism and Noomachia.

[Anonymous No.22210742]

>>22210725
That sounds interesting. Personally, I always found the historical Russian ideas of Holy Rus, divine empire etc very fascinating. In that regard, Russia can definitely be considered the Third Rome. And IMO even today you can observe some fascinating similarities between modern Russia and the Roman ethos and spirit, but unfortunately this spirit is quite watered down by communist and democratic detritus.
As for Dugin specifically, I hadn't heard of this Absolute Homeland stuff you mention. But I don't imagine it's on the level of historical Russian doctrines, is it? I think for stuff like that it is definitely better just to look to Russian Orthodoxy and the way it elevated Russia and imperium to the status of something sacred. But today there's the obvious problem that the form just isn't there anymore - Russia is neither an empire nor really Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.22210784]

>>22206894
I suspect a bunch of Ascetus members are here and in a bunch of Evola, Marx and Nietzsche threads. They are an offshoot of the red pill subreddit, headed by a Russian jew who goes by the name "gaylubeoil".

[Anonymous No.22210818]

>>22210742
>similarities between modern Russia and the Roman ethos
No. Where are you from? Have you ever been in Russia? It's capitalist individualistic society with some nostalgic feelings about 'Communism' and ressentiment towards the West. But younger generations are way more Westernized, they are kind of Libertarian (Left or Right). Even young Russian Nationalists idealize not Moscovia as Third Rome but Romanov's Empire as Modern industrialized colonial state (Kipling vibes). They laughts at Duginist Eurasianism because no one wants more 'Eurasian brothers' from Muslim countries. They think that Russians are Europeans, so they prefer liberalism, democracy and free market. Traditionalism isn't so popular in Russia, by the way.

>Russian Orthodoxy and the way it elevated Russia and imperium to the status of something sacred
Orthodox Church doesn't teach that there is 'sacred empire' or that Russia must play a great role in history. That's not the Tradition. The Idea of Third Rome is just some reflections of Medieval monk who isn't Saint and Church Father. It's like early USA pretending to be new Israel or Rome. Ignatius Bryanchaninov tried to make apology of Empire saying that Russia is... Gog and Magog. Old Believers also said this but to criticize Russian Empire. But no one in modern Russia or in Russian Church thinks that their country is Gog and Magog. It's not the Church teaching.

[Anonymous No.22210823]

>>22210784
That guy's started a new thing? I didn't know. Last I heard he had just gotten exiled from trp red. He's kinda smart but too cynical and culty for my taste.

[Anonymous No.22210843]

>>22210818
>Even young Russian Nationalists idealize not Moscovia as Third Rome but Romanov's Empire as Modern industrialized colonial state (Kipling vibes).
Yeah I think you're right about this, or at least, if there are folks who cherish the more spiritual vision, I haven't seen them. As I said, the form appears to be non-functional after what happened in 1917.
>They think that Russians are Europeans, so they prefer liberalism, democracy and free market. Traditionalism isn't so popular in Russia, by the way.
Are you the same anon I responded to? Or are you someone else? Could it be that you are a liberal yourself? I am under no delusions about the Russian situation but this post smacks of liberal triumphalism. For my part, I do consider and want Russians to see themselves as Europeans, but I and many other Europeans have less than zero affection for "liberalism, democracy and the free market".
>Orthodox Church doesn't teach that there is 'sacred empire' or that Russia must play a great role in history.
It doesn't teach that today.
>he Idea of Third Rome is just some reflections of Medieval monk who isn't Saint and Church Father. It's like early USA pretending to be new Israel or Rome.
The difference is that Russia actually had the spiritual framework of a new Rome. The US meanwhile was just a bourgeois-oligarchic republic.

[Anonymous No.22210846]

>>22210818
>But younger generations are way more Westernized, they are kind of Libertarian (Left or Right).
>They think that Russians are Europeans, so they prefer liberalism, democracy and free market.
Why is Russia still so homophobic then?

[Anonymous No.22210862]

>>22210823
Who knows? They get so fucking mad that they even pretend to be someone who slighted them in their private chat thing, and reply to one of their other member's posts, only to subsequently dogpile that fake reply. A few Evola and Nietzsche thread in the last month or 2 had this. Same talking points, same insults, fuck, even same words. All that talk about tradition this and psychoanalysis that, but they couldn't stay cool. They had to act it out like a bunch of fucking teenage girls. Wow.

[Anonymous No.22210891]

>>22210862
Oh lol yeah, the psychoanalysis shit they do is kinda weird. But I guess that's their shtick. I thought it was a weird reading list as well. Baudrillard, Dugin, Evola and I think a bunch of psychoanalytic weirdos, I can't remember the name of the main guy, but I think Deleuze was another.

[Anonymous No.22210897]

>>22210891
You know I'm starting to suspect you're another Ascetus member trying to fish for more information...

[Anonymous No.22210930]

>>22210897
More information about what? You've already namedropped the group so I would assume it isn't too hard to find. But I don't feel any special need to seek those fellows out. I have my own way of doing things.

[Anonymous No.22211126]

>>22206920
> What other Russian philosophers, who are alive and relevant, could you recommend, anon?
The "alive" part is the most difficult one, as a major part of what you'd consider "thought leaders" in Russia have either died before 2022 or resigned from any philosophical or political life.
The "relevant" part is also very hard to determine. The Soviets exiled and alienated pretty much all Russian philosophers so they could replace them with the Communist variety, but then they killed the Communists as well, so the people with "philosophical capabilities" would become linguists, anthropologists and sociologists instead to make their theories non-political, but still relevant (see Lev Gumilev for example). This is the reason why a /lit/izen could name every Western schizomarxist under the sun but Russian Marxists are a complete enigma (with the exception of Victor Vaziulin, who even has a whole Wikipedia page in English). Dugin is sort of a later development of this paradigm — going from philosophy to becoming one of the leaders of the National Bolshevik Party and back to philosophy, with his magnum opus, Noomakhia, being the application of his concept of "pluralistic anthropology" to the entire world. As a result, the consequences are that philosophy is a mandatory course in Russian universities but every philosophy professor is a complete schizo (talking from experience, our guy would interrupt his own lectures on ancient Eastern philosophy to talk about how someone would poison his dog or how Medvedev's reign fucking sucked multiple times, published his own set of schizo fairy tales with his own (?) illustrations too, most fucked up is that the first thing he said to us was a Hegel quote), and nowadays no one would outright claim that they're a philosopher so they'll try to put philosophy in unrelated things. I've myself worked for some time with "linguoculturology", pretty much linguistics but you talk about cultural mythos and supremacy instead.

[Anonymous No.22211140]

>>22211126
>philosophy is a mandatory course in Russian universities but every philosophy professor is a complete schizo
That's my impression of the philosophy situation in Russia as well. Occasionally I hear about these weird concepts that float around in Russian circles, with weird socialistic-utopian/technological bends, like noosphere bullshit etc.
Also philosophy being mandatory sounds awful.

[Anonymous No.22211146]

>>22210669
No we do not

[Anonymous No.22211173]

>>22206894
https://youtu.be/kciEjgWCeXA

[Anonymous No.22211177]

>>22211126
As you would see, you'd have to be a special sort of fucked up to straight up proclaim yourself as a philosopher. When you're not a literal, actual, honest-to-Marx neo-Marxist talking about Marx on a communist broadcasting station, you become a honest-to-your-LiveJournal-audience rightist philosopher. This wing is represented by guys like Dmitry Galkovsky and Konstantin Krylov, who mostly got their audience from LJ blogs and posts. I've had far-right friends (just don't contact them anymore because of study/work taking time) who were head over heels for these guys, but in my perspective it's a really "you HAD to be there" thing. Their Apostolic Creed pretty much amounts to:
> the entire Western deep state is made of super smart superbred monarchs who still control everything through neo-colonial cabals and contracts
> the current Russian state is an English colony, made to be like that since the Bolshevik takeover
> the current Russian state does not represent the Russians as any entity, is a continuation of the Bolshevik creed
> the Russian people must reorganize into somewhat of a European superdeepstate themselves in order to have a chance at getting real, will remain inferior until it happens
> the Jews are engineered by the Eurosupermen to be blamed at by the masses
> the proud post-Soviet people are their own race (pretty much mutts) and have no recognition of culture or tradition
It's pretty much an interspecies relationship of 2000's conspiracy era and philosophy, and it falls into the usual "make up a thing and then find evidence for the thing, everything that contradicts it was made by the English", but the Russian "alt-right" (people who are not neo-Nazis or neo-Stalinists) absolutely loves it. However, no one is out there using this philosophy in practice. The practice is a different thing.
>>22211140
It's only for six months, but it still is a pretty brain-frying experience.

[Anonymous No.22211189]

>>22211177
That greentext seems pretty representative of the more schizo elements of Russia. You guys are cool but if you could sort out the schizo problem and the political problem, you'd be much cooler.

[Anonymous No.22211210]

Russia, a grim stain
The eurasian inbred
Crawling on its belly full of fallen memories
A curse unto itself
A lie coated in a lie
Inside a lie
Serfs bent into the iridescent plastics
Of motherly love
Of communism
Moustached deceit

How the seed of the true people fell
In the multitudes of otherness
Spawning forms that should never have been brought

[Anonymous No.22211318]

>>22211177
So searching for philosophy in Russian philosophical circles is a pretty aimless task. What does remain? The Russian government itself.
As the unruly oligarchs are exiled or teabagged and the apparatus becomes consolidated (the process ended with Putin's third term), the state begins to apologize for itself. The protests rock the capital, and are suppressed, and a part of the population demands the State to act accordingly (meaning "in accordance with European values and traditions"), for the State to act accordingly is to do whatever is considered in accordance with what can be passed as majority opinion. The no-program approach leads to the lack of philosophy within Russia becoming a feature in itself. The doctrine becomes pretty much undecipherable outside of a few ideologues, and you have a degree of flexibility when negotiating with forces within and outside. The ideogurus then try to marry the State to the people to reach the final goal: there will no matter if there's a democracy or not, because even if you remove any democratic constraints or purge corruption totally, you can reach 70% approval rating on any issue you'd like to solve or create. Such a fun proposal is made in ex-grey eminence Vladislav Surkov's article called "Putin's Long State"/Длиннoe Гocyдapcтвo Пyтинa: instead of a "deep state", Russia has "deep people", and the ability to communicate with the deep people is the killer feature of Putin's reign. "Kremlinology" becomes not an actual attempt at deciphering the State, but rather make the State actually presentable and make it appear like it has an actual philosophy of things outside of gut reactions.
For understanding gut reactions, just listen to or read Putin himself, with his Munich speech in 2007 being the starting point. All his grievances are already told there.
> the world is built by pluralism
> no system is universal
> everything should be talked out, violence leads to complete destruction, respect is necessary with everyone
> if talking out is impossible, retaliation will follow
The more complicated wing of Russia's philosophy is determined by the International Relations wing, being a titan in itself. It's basically still sort of Putin, but with proposing real solutions (like expanding the UN SecCouncil). For that, there are plenty of such resources, with
Russia in Global Affairs and Russian International Affairs Council being the most prevalent. There are pretty much decades of tradition represented, with the MFA minister Lavrov himself chiming in sometimes.
My personal recommendation for understanding the reactions is Godfather of the Kremlin : Boris Berezovsky and the looting of Russia by Paul Khlebnikov. It's probably the most comprehensive analysis of the social anarchy and the incidents that shaped Russian consciousness on many internal affairs available in English. The author was killed for this book, so you can trust he did the job well.

[Anonymous No.22211327]

>>22210843
>I and many other Europeans have less than zero affection for "liberalism, democracy and the free market".
How many offline friends do you have? Typical Russian zoomer is involved in Western(ized) culture: hip-hop, games, movies, books, programming, memes, etc. They can be patriotic or in opposition or even rusophobic, but they prefer western values: human rights, separation of powers, free market, etc. Some young leftists may be against capitalism. But number of traditionalists in Russia is ridiculous. It may be that American audience is more familiar with Guenon than Russian.

>It doesn't teach that today
Orthodox Church didn't teach that earlier.

>The difference is that Russia actually had the spiritual framework of a new Rome
Puritans have some works about their City on Hill ideology. Any Medieval or Early Modern Orthodox works about Third Rome? We don't have it. Only letter by monk. He fawns before the tsar and says that his kingdom will last until the end of days. That's not theology, just pleasant words addressed to those in power. There was no any theoretical framework around that until XIX century when Westernized Hegelians (so called Slavophils) and other Conservators started using this terminology to explain why they don't want give freedom to their serfs or reform the government. But even then it was an ideological/philosophical/political terminology, not religious.

Orthodox Church doesn't care about these teachings. Patriarch Cyril more often says about Holy Rus'. The Idea of Third Rome isn't popular among Churchmen now.

[Anonymous No.22211352]

>>22210846
Russian youth isn't so homophobic. I think that prison culture made these things very toxic. Other cultures don't have something like this, even Muslims.

But this doesn't related with traditionalist philosophy or Third Rome. Just cultural conservatism and influence of prison culture. It changes now, zoomers are more tolerant to homosexuality than generation of their parents.

By the way, Dugin said in interview in 90s that he would help gays and Black people to destroy America. You can find this. Also he was a friend of Limonov who was very 'open-minded' on such topics.

[Anonymous No.22211364]

>>22211327
>Typical Russian zoomer is involved in Western(ized) culture: hip-hop, games, movies, books, programming, memes, etc
The same could be said about most or even all of the reactionary subcultures in the West. Being a consoomer doesn't translate to supporting liberal democratic ideologies anymore.
>Orthodox Church didn't teach that earlier.
Yes it did, and it wasn't just the church either.
>Puritans have some works about their City on Hill ideology.
Puritans have never been relevant. They're a cute little myth but they have never actually played a state formative role. The actual state formative force in the US was a coalition of landowners and liberal-Masonic revolutionaries.
>Any Medieval or Early Modern Orthodox works about Third Rome?
This is a historical field of study in Russia so if you are actually Russian you can presumably go and inquiry with the nearest history department and they will give you directions. I should also note that sometimes things also exists outside paper. It's not like things only exist when there are thousands of philosophical tomes written on them. The Knights Templar have also left a very very scarce amount of historical textual sources, and yet their ethos and role was defining not only for an organisation and a milieu, but for a whole historical period and an entire continent.
>That's not theology, just pleasant words addressed to those in power.
You could say the same about the Roman Emperor proclaiming himself a divine sovereign. Anything is a theology so long as it is espoused as such. Yours is an absurdly reductionist perspective.
>There was no any theoretical framework around that until XIX century
1. Theory is irrelevant.
2. By the 19th century this spiritual ideal was probably already well on its way out for the same reasons you outline (obsessions with ideas, the enlightenment, modernity etc).

[Anonymous No.22211443]

>>22206894
It's just Russian neoconservatism. They even invaded an Arab country to play catch up.

[Anonymous No.22211482]

>>22211364
You have poor knowledge of Russian history. Read Florovsky (Ways of Russian Theology).

[Anonymous No.22211500]

>>22211482

[Anonymous No.22211634]

>>22210702
>threads about famous people get more engagement
truly a deep analytical mind

[Anonymous No.22211645]

>>22211634
Just wish that only people who are intelligent or informed on these thinkers would get engaged, instead of illiterates with an agenda.

[Anonymous No.22211772]

>>22211352
Those books where Limonov explicitly states how he was taking bbc are amazing to show online tradspergs that allegedly love him and totally read his stuff
Also, I have his signature on my copy of memoirs of a russian punk, got it from a second hand store I bet they have no idea what they were selling

[Anonymous No.22211861]

>>22206894
Dugin
>tHe SaTaNiC eSsEnCe Of AtLaNtIcIsT p0wEr &c. &c. &c.
Fukuyama
>I don't really see what he's upset about besides gay marriage. Maybe he could get over that?
it was the worst mogging I ever saw in a debate

[Anonymous No.22211974]

>>22207524
>Commies
So, muttmerica?

[Anonymous No.22212014]

>>22210702
>I personally don't care about Dugin, but you guys are dumb because you care, and therefore I am superior thinker that you
Tranime poster === tranime post

[Anonymous No.22212025]

Random ass question figure someone itt might know. Southeastern yurop, 20th century. Academic into esotericism and chuddy topics. May have moved to the US. Heard about him on this board. Who is he?

[Anonymous No.22212037]

>>22211861
Never read doogin but you should take a look at Land & Sea by Schmitt. I assume his concept of atlanticism is adjacent to that. Basically Schmitt accuses Anglos of being nation-wrecking cyborgs who lost their souls to international trade and finance made possible by international sea travel. WW2 propaganda book, never seen anyone bring it up here

[Anonymous No.22212065]

>>22212014
I already made a previous post in this thread describing my opinion on Dugin and giving reading suggestions on the basis of what I find interesting in him. I think he's a schizo. But I think people who show up just to mindlessly hatepost about Dugin are much bigger schizos.

[Anonymous No.22212111]

>>22206894
>daughter gets bombed, in all probability was meant for you
How could this be happening to me after preaching war and conquest for years?!

[Anonymous No.22212197]

>>22212037
>boat man bad

[Anonymous No.22212264]

>>22212111
>"terrorist attacks on civilians are okay if you disagree with their policy views"
So this is the power of liberal democracy...

[Anonymous No.22212500]

>>22206894
>How do I get into Dugin?
Just bee urself

[Anonymous No.22212613]

>>22206912
He is the greatest modern philosopher just after Lev Gumilev.

[Anonymous No.22212672]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGunRKWtWBs

[Anonymous No.22212678]

Wondering who will come out on top on the Dugin-Russia optics war, the neo-neocons or the third worldist dissident right

[Anonymous No.22212686]

>>22212678
>third worldist dissident right
I'm amazed that in the wake of Trump so many retarded "right" wing grifting ideologies have popped up that are way worse than neocons.

[Anonymous No.22212697]

>>22206894
not worth it, this is a clown grown for the amusement of the west.
ugha-buga 17th political theory
Galkovsky is Russia's secret weapon and if you could read and watch it (and you can't because it's not properly translated) you could see through walls with x-ray vision. And I'm not talking about his extravagant theories, which he himself takes lightly. But just about looking at literature, culture, politics, etc. Thanks to him, I will never again be able to take seriously such people as evola and others. It takes a moment's glance to understand what these characters (including Dugin) will be ranting about for the next five volumes and why they are doing it.

[Anonymous No.22212734]

>>22212697
I've always been distrustful of Evola and the like. Its basically just a projection of their of inadequacies dressed up in grandiosity. No wonder those who advocate it are labeled as chuds.

[Anonymous No.22212755]

>>22212697
>It takes a moment's glance to understand what these characters (including Dugin) will be ranting about for the next five volumes and why they are doing it.
Qrd?

[Anonymous No.22212764]

>>22206894
Unless you are the most braindead of Russian Nationalists, not much point. The entire premise of his theory is you need to die and or serve glorious slavic master race.

[Anonymous No.22212768]

>Be chickenhawk who shills forever war that will kill or wound 350k russians but never set foot on the front yourself
>tfw the war hits home for you

[Anonymous No.22212773]

>>22212755

The evil and Perfidous (X) have ruined the world. Especially our proud, glorious, superior (Y). While we may be in a position of weakness against (X), us superior (Y) must work tireless towards the day when we can finally destroy (X)

Now, some might say this is a bad thing. Why should (Y) destroy (X)? Well its simple. (Y) is Superior to (X). Anyone who is (X) or supports (X) is working towards the destruction of not just (Y), but the entire world! The mission of (Y) is nothing less then the survival of the human race as a whole. That is we (X) must either be destroyed or put in its place. And if (Z) thinks they can interfere, they can join (X) in the dustbin of history.

[Anonymous No.22212857]

>>22206894
I will second everyone else and say just read Schmitt. Although I disagree with him, Schmitt is a far more interesting critic of liberalism and far more influential on Russian elites than Dugin has ever been.

[Anonymous No.22212869]

>>22212697
>>22212773
You have never read Evola.

[Anonymous No.22212871]

>>22212768
Judging from history, its seems like russians were practically designed to die in meatwaves.

[Anonymous No.22213128]

>>22212755
Unfortunately, I cannot adequately convey the inner feeling in broken English through a translator, so I do not advise you to read further.

I read Evola when I was in my first year at the institute and even posted his quotes in my VK group for 600 people.
But having cooked a little in this and after Galkovskiy you just realize that it's not worth wasting time on. Sometimes a biography is enough: "a person spent his whole life wallowing in the circle of occultists, then the Swede converted him to Islam, ended his career in British Egypt, where the British gave him a villa. His followers in Europe are the" new right ", and in Russia - Dzhemal and Maksut Shevchenko ". Sometimes you need a closer acquaintance.

All these holy wars, hierarchy and caste, purity of tradition, the Hyperborean ideal, burning wheels, and so on these days, these ideas are completely chewed over by the political segment of Telegram. Absolutely the same vibe. It can only be used seriously in advertising.

It's just that some housewives are slipped horoscopes, others - spirituality and meditation, chakras and awareness. And some guys fall for stories about traditionalism, the path to the center in oneself, small mysteries, the path of prayer and fasting and the path from the found center (the state of earthly paradise) up to the Absolute, the Primary Source, the One, which we breathe, move and live (great mysteries, deification, transcendent identity).

Europeans are masters of filling amateurish skulls with meaningless garbage. Waste your life, fool, your life is short. Read Evola, it's cool.

The fact is that Galkovsky acts from within his own author's setting, in fact, his work is a giant hypertext, woven from an endless pattern of references that are understandable to anyone who argues in the same paradigm, in this sense, it is enough to get a little texture, such as "was fond of the work of Blavatsky ”, “spinning in a circle of occultists”, “studied in Sweden”, this and that, and now some kind of picture has already been drawn, but for a person from the side it will hang in the air.

I don’t even want to talk about Dugin. Evola, at least by virtue of his philological culture, had witty comparisons, nice phrases.

>>22212869
the post you replied to was not written by me

[Anonymous No.22213167]

>>22213128
Unfortunately your serious post may actually be even worse. The other anon may be guilty of having complete ignorance and non-understanding of the ideas of the authors he is referring to, but the thinking that your post describes is not even interested in engaging with ideas. It operates on the basis of biographical prejudices. Ironically this is exactly the mindset with which most conspiratards and "red baiting" victims approach politics. Just look at biographical data, that'll explain everything - Mussolini was a communist, and Hitler was one too!
Here's a hard to swallow pill for you. Just because a set of ideas may be popular predominantly with pretentious faggots and/or third worlders does not necessarily mean that set of ideas is incorrect. Guenon was an Islamophile. Evola was perhaps insufficiently pro-Western - though to a very much understandable degree, given the state of the West. But that does not invalidate the truths of their frameworks. Evola, in my opinion, mounts the only truly decisive case for meaning, honour, dignity and spirit, the only serious break with cynicism and infirmity of character. Let us say that every man who has subscribed to Evola's ideas thus far has been a useless retard. If Evola's ideas are true, and you are truly a man also, then it is up to you to be the first to take a stand for Truth, no matter how hard or lonely it may be. I am doing my part. Are you doing yours? I do not want you to agree with me. But if you are going to dismiss Evola, I want you to at least have some sound rationale for it. The great enlightenment that you seem to be sharing here, that provides you with superior insight, instead seems to just be the making of prejudice into a system. It evokes scorn in me, not for you, but for your laziness and superficiality.

[Anonymous No.22213329]

>>22212697
>DA JOOS i mean DA ANGLOS control DA JOOS i mean DA NOVIOPS who control DA JOOS who control Russia
>like and subscribe for more Le-Carre-flavored reptiloid coolstories and free phrenology tips

>Russia's secret weapon

[Anonymous No.22213343]

>>22213167
You wrote well, without irony, I will think about your words and, maybe, in the next round I will return to this. I really did not have a strong opinion about Evola, I brought it on a tangent.

but before I think about it, the cynical and superficial part of me wants to say, remembering Evola's female translator into Russian, a beggar who died at 50 in a flooded apartment, with rotten teeth, that will not happen until I get a mansion in the center of Rome (I do not pretend on the "disgusting happiness of satanic pleasure" with an analogue of the Russian sex magician Naglovskaya).

[Anonymous No.22213360]

>>22213329
ok i laughed

and yet Mencius Moldbag said about 3% of what DEG said. In the United States, however, it is an important dark-enlightenment intellectual.

[Anonymous No.22213384]

>>22206894
>Mackinder & Mahan
>Ivan Illyin
>Sejna & Golitsyn Soviet Defector memoirs
There's not a lot of 'There' there aside from 'post'-USSR continuity cope resorting to literally cribbing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Watch Michael Millerman summaries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PcWPlgzgw

[Anonymous No.22213388]

>>22207098
>"our common European homeland from Vladviostok to Lisbon."

As sympathetic reader his was of Spengler going Bolshevik to own the (neo)Libs was symptomatic of his turbo-manlet physique.

[Anonymous No.22213393]

>>22211177
>the current Russian state is an English colony, made to be like that since the Bolshevik takeover
Those digits wew -- for more of the above just see Webster Tarpley's brand of historical revisionism and Perfidious Albion fetishists in the Logo Daedalus twittersphere.

[Anonymous No.22213802]

>>22206894
idk but I've been meaning to read his reading on Being & Time because someone on Goodreads did an excellent summary of it and after listening to enough lectures on B&T I might be ready to read someone else's interpretation, especially because I know he's working on application as well as interpretation

[Anonymous No.22214212]

>>22212264
talk shit get hit, it's just that simple sweaty ;)

[Anonymous No.22214335]

>>22211772
Care to elaborate? So Limonov was actually fond of BBC?

[Anonymous No.22214342]

>>22212025
Ioan Couliano maybe?

[Anonymous No.22214359]

Honestly, by my interaction with Russia-related people and topics throughout the years I just can't shake the feeling that all ruskies are somewhat mentally ill

[Anonymous No.22214489]

>>22213343
>I really did not have a strong opinion about Evola
He is based. I recommend him to anyone I think is similar to me.
Not sure I entirely understand the second part of your post because of a possible grammar issue. But I should note that a translator is just a translator, and also, that sometimes good people are brought down badly. You never know how life will go. Maybe I will myself die at 50 as a homeless beggar, even though I consider myself to be an intelligent man of proper character. So I try not to judge others on things like this, but mainly on their substance of people, if I am able at all to figure out what they are like.

[Anonymous No.22214526]

>>22210818
>But younger generations are way more Westernized, they are kind of Libertarian (Left or Right).
A vocal minority of them, and they are only a bit more libertarian than average Western libtard. The majority of young Russians, i.e. those who don't live in Moscow or St. P., aren't westernized or libertarian at all. Average Russian youngsters are either anti-Western and traditionalist or simply indifferent, but most of them hate Muscovites and (somewhat reasonably) think that Moscow is stealing all of their money and resources. That's why there were so many people in Rostov a week ago who greeted Wagnerites who announced that they're going to Moscow, and you can't really call them libertarian.

[Anonymous No.22214665]

>>22214335
In Diary of a Loser he explicitly states he had gay sex with a homeless nigger in Central Park
Emanuel Carrere talks about it too in his book on him

[Anonymous No.22214682]

>>22214359
>I just can't shake the feeling that all ruskies are somewhat mentally ill
Russians are OK, it's the Westoids who have lost their minds since the end of the WWII, and whose entire lives now are completely dependant on a constant stream of propaganda and social engineering.

[Anonymous No.22214703]

>there are multiple Daseins
wtf is this nigger smoking?

[Anonymous No.22214907]

>>22214665
Mmm that's really funny but he was still a chud and didn't support gay rights in Russia

[Anonymous No.22214923]

>>22212697
Galkovsky fails the physiognomy test pretty badly.

[Anonymous No.22215398]

>>22212871
The communists beat the will to revolt out of them. The rest just left. What remains in the joke known as "the Russian federation" has been passed over by history at least three times.

[Anonymous No.22215430]

>>22215398
>coc/k/hole-posting in /lit/
Shoo shoo.

[Anonymous No.22215853]

>>22214682
Chud cope

[Anonymous No.22215946]

>>22214682
>completely dependant on a constant stream of propaganda and social engineering.
Pretty good description of your daily life, Ivan

[Anonymous No.22216777]

>>22214489
>Maybe I will myself die at 50 as a homeless beggar, even though I consider myself to be an intelligent man of proper character
This defies good reason. If you die as a beggar in some small, decaying room in the city, your loose teeth falling out of your rotten mouth, with your children abandoned in squalor, you are not intelligent, and much less a man of character. You are just a spineless, smelly beggar manchild.

[Anonymous No.22216859]

>>22215398
Its been happening for way longer than that. Its most likely the centuries of mongol rape that did this.
>>22215430
Don't you have a churka bull to prep?

[Anonymous No.22216883]

>>22207938
>watch Kraut's video on...
>it's all just imperialism and fascism
Kill yourself, whore.

[Anonymous No.22216930]

>>22216859
How is he medically impaired? What is his diagnose?

[Anonymous No.22216959]

>>22214907
Yes, it's why i still somewhat like the guy despite him being a massive faggot
But yes, if you read his books or anything about him you quickly realise he just had acute contrarian disorder about everything
I wouldn't even call him a nazbol, more an edgy socdem than anything

[Anonymous No.22217015]

>>22207578
She was a cute lil fascist though.

[Anonymous No.22217125]

>>22208753
>We're living in an era where a majority of Americans and especially Democrats agree that there's a new "Axis of Evil" that needs to be defeated in the name of "our Western ideals"

At least half of that is mindless parroting done by people whose only understanding of foreign affairs is filtered through MSM. In truth it's probably more like 90%. The remainder that can actually articulate what in God's name they want to send young American men to go die for, 1.) probably aren't in the military currently and 2.) will never be eligible for military service. So basically, their opinions are worthless. As former military myself, I can say with near certainty that the overwhelming majority of currently serving individuals are enlisted either to pay for college or pad their credentials, or because it's a paycheck and they get to blow shit up on occasion. On the whole they are no less disillusioned with the current political establishment than your average young millennial or zoomer, having witnessed the GWOT/Afghan fiasco and COVID bullshit in quick succession. They are not, I repeat NOT, in any way eager to "fight the heckin commies" or spill a drop of their own blood in defense of Zelenskyy and his cabal of caped cronies. The hawkish sentiment to wage war against the "enemies of """Democracy"""" is purely establishment derived and supported by an almost nonstop corporate propaganda campaign. God help us if by some hellish stupidity we stumble into an actual hot war with Russia or China. Assuming we don't get nuked within the first 24 hours, a war of such scale would lay bare the total moral and logistical decay the US has undergone since the end of the Cold War. Boomers can harp all they like about how the youth has gone soft, but leaving aside the inherent hypocrisy in that statement when you consider their own resistance to the Vietnam War, they are actually somewhat onto something. You'd have a snowball's chance in hell in convincing America's service eligible males to give up even the ghost of a dream of attaining some limited happiness in this life in order to grease the wheels of cosmopolitan plutocracy with their lifeblood for another few decades. You'd need to march them to war at gunpoint once all the shiny GWOT toys were attrited and the most technologically sophisticated weaponry at hand was an up-armored troop transport with a mounted .50 caliber machine gun. Then you'd find out just how much of a democracy you really have. That is to say, you only have as much of one as they are willing to die for.

[Anonymous No.22217169]

>>22217125
The Ukraine war did not take place. The Russians refuse to actually win (as they also refused in Georgia, and further refuse any sort of treaty in Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh), and the Americans won't let Ukraine fire on any targets inside Russia (which can evidently be captured within hours by ex-covincts armed with soviet surplus, i.e. what Ukraine was fielding a year ago anyway).

[Anonymous No.22217200]

>>22217169
The War in Ukraine is happening and it isn't like Georgia, let alone Nagorno Karabakh. Its orders of magnitude larger and more important to core Russian security interests than Georgia, and Nagorno Karabakh was something of a gay little border spat sponsored and later mediated by Russia and Turkey. As to your point concerning striking targets inside Russia, the fact of the matter is in most places, Ukraine can't, and where it can, it doesn't provide any material benefit to waste their limited precision munitions on symbolic cross border strikes, they have infiltration units for that purpose as they have demonstrated on occasion. Shelling across the border, where it is possible, is self defeating. It wastes shells and makes Ukraine look desperate. I digress on that. You also allude to the Wagner mutiny. Wagner isn't "ex-convicts." Sure, they did that when they needed bodies for Bakhmut but stopped when they had enough to get the job done with. That's not even news anymore. Most of Wagner is ex-Russian military with significant combat experience, always has been, it's only that their numbers grew exponentially over the course of the war in Ukraine. They're shock troops that operate outside the traditional Russian military command structure, or at least did until about a week ago. Now the ones who didn't follow Prigozhin into Russia are in Belarus doing who knows what. The rest were either formally conscripted or sent home. Make no mistake, had they tried to close the distance on Moscow, they would have been rolled up. It would have been brutal and nasty, but they had at most 25,000 in country. Putin could mobilize twice that number into Moscow overnight. While Prigozhin and Wagner are well regarded in Russia, he's no Caesar. The Russian people largely support the war, and they aren't in any mood at the moment for a revolution. The Western media is making a lot of hay out of this event still, and while it's true that Putin was probably caught off guard to some extent by the sheer mass of Prigozhins nutsack, his power was never truly threatened. If it was, Prigozhin and Wagner would have been folded long ago. Russia isn't really that desperate yet, especially given the fact that they're currently holding back Ukraine's so called "counteroffensive." This is a war of attrition. As long as Russia can outlast either Ukraine's manpower or the West's supplies, it'll win. There is no real indication so far that that calculus has changed.

[Anonymous No.22217204]

>>22217200
>Now the ones who didn't follow Prigozhin into Russia are in Belarus doing who knows what. The rest were either formally conscripted or sent home.

I got that backwards. The ones who went into Russia are now in Belarus, the rest who stayed in Ukraine are in the military or went home.

[Anonymous No.22217234]

>>22217200
>The War in Ukraine is happening
I disagree. If there was going to be a war with Russia it should have happened in 2014. What is happening now is just pornography. There is no serious attempt to evict the Russians from Crimea (and if not, if they are keeping their Black Sea naval base after all, why bother?), and if attacking them anywhere else is a question of "attrition," how many seasons of this show have been ordered is the real question. And on the other side, the Russians were able to level the Chechen capital two or three times, why is Ukraine an impossibility? Because they have air defenses? Oh no, anything but that! Neither side actually is committed to winning, they have this armchair mentality, this surgical mentality, that war is scoring points and if you get a passing grade you move on, but if the last hundred years taught us anything it is you either destroy the enemy state in an unconditional surrender or you test weapons systems and combat manuevers for a decade or longer against the same enemy until the budget is used up and the network wants to see something else. The Russians are effectively "purchasing" territory using the attrition method. Neither wants to actually win or they would go ahead and call the other's bluff. If Russia is keeping Crimea and whatever else, the Western goal is to make them pay for it, and pay a lot for it. A war would involve actually destroying them—why isn't this being done? How can you fight a war whose rules of engagement involve not hitting one another? It's choreography.

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>>22214682
Really? Russian boomers till this day confuse their fond memories of their youth with thinking their regime after Stalin was going anywhere.

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>>22208011
>his great skill is marketing himself to the west as a new rasputin
I don't know much about him, but Mark Ames actually ran into the guy in the 90s while hanging around Limonov if I recall, and he described him in a similar terms. A good marketer.

>>22208373
>Dugin practically exists to regurgitate Russian foreign policy in philosophical jargon.
I think that's his function. His syncretic weirdness functions as a way for people with a variety of schizo ideologies of their own to sync with Russian foreign policy. You could be an alt-right guy or a "we must decolonize America" guy and it doesn't matter as long as you both agree that tearing up the U.S. is a good idea, since it would be better if Americans fought each other.

>>22208993
>it makes people feel smart when they tell others "hey, there's this book The Foundations of Geopolitics and it's the playbook that they're following!"
Well he plays into the stereotype, the Russian mystic who has the ear of the Tsar or whatever and the liberals can project onto him what they want, much like their opposites.

>I have never read The Foundations of Geopolitics but a look at the wikipedia summary reveals a mix of actual, credible geopolitical ideas with weird bullshit like seizing northern China
Right. But nowadays he kisses China's ass and needs to appeal to them now, but the situation has changed since he wrote that book.

>>22210669
>Americans, and some other westerners, fall for this le based trad russia larp
Appearance always matters in marketing, but the Russians I've met seem to spend more effort on their looks. I don't want to call them superficial, but you see how the women dress, they tend to dress up more. I saw some viral video on Twitter shared by Western conservatives of these young Russian women all dressed up in high fashion, and you have Russian influencers who try to present this image of a beautiful trad paradise to appeal to conservatives in the Western countries, but during the Cold War it was the appearance of a socialist utopia. There used to be a term for this, "Potemkin villages." Everyone strikes a pose for their Instagram, but I find this kinda thing more self-aware:

https://youtu.be/hARAh7UIi_4

>>22211177
>It's pretty much an interspecies relationship of 2000's conspiracy era and philosophy
Kinda reminds me of Lyndon LaRouche whose cult clingers-on are head over heels in love with Russia. Very common too or interrelated with Twitter heads who describe their interest as "geopolitics," but it takes on an esoteric quality.

>>22211318
>"Kremlinology" becomes not an actual attempt at deciphering the State, but rather make the State actually presentable and make it appear like it has an actual philosophy of things outside of gut reactions.
See.

>>22211352
>Also he was a friend of Limonov who was very 'open-minded' on such topics.
Dugin has a lesbian ex-wife too. But the scene that they were hanging around back then was like alt-goth stuff.

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>>22210669
Russia's propaganda is just retarded in general. They say shit like Zelenski is a gay demon ,they're unironically the ones pushing that retarded shit you see on /pol/. They're desperate and think they're fighting an existential threat.

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>>22206894
>Philosopher wants to destroy liberalism
Is he aware he's practically calling for his own execution?

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>>22217501
It's pretty hilarious the leaders of a former world superpower get their world view and ideology from /pol/. Even funnier if they end up causing nuclear holocaust because of it

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>>22206894
start with guenon then evola
should be good enough to get going with dugin
from there, geopolitics, spengler, marx/nazbol, heidegger, and so forth

watch millerman youtube vids

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>>22216777
And what of Napoleon, who died in a shithole, ruined by poison and weather conditions, in exile, far from his home? Was he a spineless, smelly beggar manchild too? Or just an idiot?
You are in for a very rude awakening if you think that all good men enjoy good fortune or that good fortune only favours good men.

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>>22217501
Every time I've looked into Russian state media, it's been very moderate and rational opinions. Meanwhile, libtards in my own country far off from the battlefield continuously go out to 'protest' and screech about orcs, hordes from the east, etc etc. Propaganda in the West (and even more so in Ukraine) is all about hyper-demonisation of Russians. Russian propaganda, meanwhile, tends to be more so just domestic public opinion manipulation about the army's effectiveness. "POG, we just took Bakhmut and the Ukrainians lost seven million men trying to take it! Can't stop winning!" OK but when are you gonna liberate Odessa, Kharkov, take Kiev, when are you gonna demilitarise Ukraine, etc. etc.
>>22217521
Philosophy isn't liberal, retard. The guy who created philosophy was adamant that a strong state should destroy degenerates and pretentious airheads. And that's what liberal "philosophers" are, fundamentally. They don't care about anyone outside their airheaded crew, and if they value some kind of intellectualism, it is that of economists, art critics and engineers.

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>>22210818
>they are kind of Libertarian
Didn't they arrest that big libertarian Mikhail Svetov?
>Orthodox Church doesn't teach that there is 'sacred empire' or that Russia must play a great role in history.
So what you're saying is that this "Russia is the Third Rome" idea is largely an internet american orthodox thing and it's not actually popular among native Orthodox?

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>>22208085
sloped foreheads aren't always subtracted brain, but added brow

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>>22217936
not that guy ofc
> Didn't they arrest that big libertarian Mikhail Svetov?
He's been out of Russia since '21 and tried to make his own libertarian media, but the "ideological" discourse (e.g. "Putin is BETRAYING you because he gives YOUR taxes to the oligarchs/tajiks/private Stalin monument builders") was completely annihilated by the '22 Holy War Operation and the subsequent culture wars (e.g. "Putin is BETRAYING you because he takes YOUR taxes and has the audacity to fall daily enemy casualties quota"). There was a communist (more leaning libertarian) guy with the same reach who also got out (to France) to make more radical left-wing videos but got completely shafted by his own audience because they're too busy watching latest field commander drama to care. Within this paradigm, the only way liberalism in Russia would continue to be relevant outside of small business small parties like New People is if Navalny himself would join the PMC Traitor Legion, but he or his partners blew it.
> So what you're saying is that this "Russia is the Third Rome" idea is largely an internet american orthodox thing and it's not actually popular among native Orthodox?
I'd say that Orthodoxy is just not that popular within Russia for the idea to have been growing from there. There are a lot of "cultural Christians" ("just don't like 'em freaks simple as", wears a crucifix, has an icon), but I'd fail to point out an actual sizeable Christian community (at least goes to church every week). I know some Old Believers near me — they have been building a church for 15 years through donations, have finally built it, the storms render the domes completely black shortly after, they have their own Sunday school, they continue improving it — but aside from that, it's mostly that Orthodox Christians are mostly aligned with the Russian govt/people (except some obvious things like abortion). They want peace (everyone does), but they don't like the current European cultural thing too.
The whole "Rome" thing is taking place from the Russian monarchs being sort of the last inheritors of the Byzantine bloodline still on the throne (Romanovs being the guys who had a smidge of Rurikid blood so they qualify). Because your line is not severed, you can still bullshit your way into a claim, which was the whole idea behind Catherine the Great's plan to become a patron for the new Eastern Roman Empire on the Turkish Balkan territories which would coincidentally cement Russia's place in the Black Sea. Could be real if it didn't greatly upset the balance for the French and the English. Today's idea of a Rome is mostly a civil thing and is that Russia has to invite the normal and good people from the West to save them from their own governments. Most people in Russia overwhelmingly support the French police nowadays, but no one supports the French government for obvious reasons, hence the whole dissonance with the reasoning in some cases.

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>>22218148
>There was a communist (more leaning libertarian) guy with the same reach who also got out (to France)
You mean this guy? Andrei Roudoi iirc?

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>>22218196
Yup, this one. Says he has no money for continuing nowadays. Also had a commie guy I usually like listening to (nothing ideological, just good material and invited guests) switch to '22 reports. People make mad bank nowadays by switching to war coverage and faking that they're in the fields while flooding their channels with fucking UNBREAKABLE SOVIET KNIFE YOUR GREAT GRANDPA SLICED THE THROATS OF THEIR GREAT GRANDPAS WITH THIS KNIFE ads.