/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.22197192]

webnovel edition

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[Anonymous No.22197252]

>>22197192
I’m like 400 chapters saved up on SS. It was pretty good quality compared to other webnovels I’ve read. Idk if I want to return to it though

[Anonymous No.22197282]

>>22197252
how come webnovels never seem to end?

[Anonymous No.22197294]

>>22197282
Because they are modern day serials/pulps. They only end when sales/views start to drop

[Anonymous No.22197297]

>>22197294
but even Tale of Two Cities ended after 5 years.

[Anonymous No.22197328]

>>22197192
How this shit got so popular I'll never know. There are much better ongoing webnovels like Zombie Knight Saga

[Anonymous No.22197351]

>>22197328
havent heard of that one, will give it a try
my favorite was Everybody Loves Large Chests

[Anonymous No.22197387]

>>22197252
What is it about?

[Anonymous No.22197468]

>>22197387
SETTING
Earth, post-apocalyptic. Humanity lives in 4 large quadrants called 'seige capitals' - Asia, Antarctica, Australia, India. Europe was lost to nuclear war, Americas lost to monster invasion.

POWER SYSTEM
Some humans go into a Dream, if they die in the Dream they turn into a monster. If they survive the Dream they get special unique powers called Aspects and also a Flaw. Also Gates spawn randomly in the real world that let out monsters. People power up by killing monsters and obsorbing the Shards left behind. Also by killing monsters, Dreamers can acquire 'Memories' or 'Echoes'
Memories are objects like Weapons, Armor, Charms. Echoes are like a monster summons that listens to you. Stored in the soul, they can be both summoned in the real world or in Dreams. If damaged too much they get destroyed.

STORY
MC gets a really strong Aspect but his Flaw is that he cant lie. He has to fight and survive along with others in an abnormally difficult Nightmare.
I have been enjoying it, and new chapter every day

[Anonymous No.22197493]

>character is an executioner
>named SEVERian

[Anonymous No.22197508]

>>22197468
poor guy cant lie

[Anonymous No.22197511]

>>22197508
I should admire people for creating things and sticking with them even if the execution is worse than some high schoolers.

[Anonymous No.22197526]

>>22197468
>He has to fight and survive along with others in an abnormally difficult Nightmare
Why? is it some battle royale kind of thing?

>>22197508
Ok, thanks, I won't be reading this.

[Anonymous No.22197538]

>>22197526
>Ok, thanks, I won't be reading this.
Protag seems to be a bit of a faggot, does he? Could be a reference to nip "comedy" tropes.

[Anonymous No.22197557]

>>22197526
>Why? is it some battle royale kind of thing?
no, in order to wake up from the Dream you have to find a Gate. But their group gets sent to an unexplored area of the Dream and cant find one

>>22197538
thats when he first wakes up, introduces the reader to his Flaw.
MC comes from the poor outskirts so is short, malnourished and uneducated

[Anonymous No.22197836]

>>22197508
>His eye
Does he only have the one or is that just a typo?

[Anonymous No.22198027]

>>22197192
>webnovel edition
finally getting around to starting All the Skills, but I find out today that the first two books have been removed from RR because of kindle unlimited...hate it when that happens
managed to find book one on the high seas but not the second. so if i like the first book ill have to wait for the second to be uploaded REEEE

[Anonymous No.22198045]

>>22197294
>Because they are modern day serials/pulps
why can't they be as good?

[Anonymous No.22198089]

>>22198027
The second book was uploaded weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.22198124]

Would you like to read my short story?
https://litter.catbox.moe/hvtth8.pdf

[Anonymous No.22198416]

>>22197192
gotta be honest shadow slave kinda sucked imo. It's literally just sunny pulling shit out of his ass and none of the other characters ever matter except for maybe nephis. Also that first arc took like fifty fucking years to finish

[Anonymous No.22198598]

>>22198027
To be fair, the second books is worse than the first, and it seem the third will be even worse than the second. THe author has something good, but he slipped because he had to shove in stupid plot and dragons.

[Anonymous No.22198673]

>>22198045
They are. Go back and read real pulps, not just the ones selected by survivorship bias.

[Anonymous No.22198720]

https://americanliterature.com/author/philip-k-dick/short-story/the-eyes-have-it

[Anonymous No.22198729]

>>22198673
I'd say that fanfics deserve the title of "real modern pulps" rather than litrpgs. There are significantly more of them, for one.

[Anonymous No.22198732]

>>22197508
>his mouth moved on its own!
heh

[Anonymous No.22198751]

>>22197192
Started Malazan with the first book. It's complete shit at the moment, about halfway through GOTM

When does it get good?

[Anonymous No.22198764]

>>22198751
Someone told me that the damn thing retcons itself a lot, so I didn't bother.

[Anonymous No.22198786]

Fuck Guinevere, all my niggas hate Guinevere.

[Anonymous No.22198795]

Why have you put that gay shit as the OP image
Web novels are turboslop

[Anonymous No.22198799]

Thanks for the one who recommended me several mystery books

Agatha Christie is actually a better writer than Arthur Conan Doyle, I don't see why he is more popular

[Anonymous No.22198815]

>>22197192
I'm looking for an audiobook/podcast, heard years ago.
Hint : it's neither Diaspora (Egan) or Children of Mankind (Tchaikovsky).

The epic story was by far the best one I've seen. But I can't remember the name.

Setting :
Mankind is destroyed by a sudden attack from an alien species from outer space. Earth is ravaged, every life is lost.
But Mankind's legacy prevailed... in the form of an AI. It becomes sentient and emerges to see its beloved mankind have been eradicated.

The AI then spends years absorbing mankind's knowledge.
Then it builds itself a gigantic core, an huge mothership that take off from Earth.
After using the solar system as an open mine for ressources, the AI ship and goes on an epic quest to seek revenge.

The ship and its drone swarms is constantly evolving to win its battles against the Alien destroyers, who find themselves in the brink of utter destruction from the rampaging sentient AI.
But at the same time is trying to rebuild a civilization in the image of the defunct humans.

Production :
It was stored on a free SF site with many audio fictions.
A least 5 episodes.
The cast : at least two narrators (one male, one female), really good at their job to transform the really good script in an immersive story.
Awesome and chilling ambient sounds and music.


Underated masterpiece, I'd really like to listen to it again : did you heard of it ?

[Anonymous No.22198833]

>>22198799
>whodunnits
For me? It's noir.

[Anonymous No.22198848]

>>22198799
>Agatha Christie is actually a better writer than Arthur Conan Doyle, I don't see why he is more popular
Agatha Christie is a better murder mystery writer. Arthur Conan Doyle is a better writes on the whole.

[Anonymous No.22198871]

>>22198833
I'm not impressed with the Maltese falcon. Spades a good character, but man some scenes are just dumb.

[Anonymous No.22198936]

Just finished pic related, what the fuck was that gay epilogue? I almost really liked the book before he uno reversed the wife and the barbarian fucking tripped and died in a hand wave sentence? Jesus Christ, should I bother with the rest?

[Anonymous No.22198953]

I've noticed that the audience on webnovel absolutely hates any protag that isn't an edgy antihero/straight up villain.
They seethe the instant an author doesn't want to mercilessly kill his protagonists enemies family.
I wonder why?

[Anonymous No.22198962]

>>22198751
Fans will tell you to keep "pushing through" because it gets better in book 2 or book 3 or book 5 or when you reread everything (lol). Personally I dropped it halfway through DG because I just didn't care about anything and it read like someone badly describing the plot of a videogame.

[Anonymous No.22199025]

>>22198815
Maybe it was something from the Escape Pod podcast, but I wouldn't know at all because I don't listen to stuff.

[Anonymous No.22199026]

>>22198953
A lot of people who read webnovels are also the ones who read and like gookshit and chinkshit so they they have expectations for protagonists of western webnovels to be similar

[Anonymous No.22199037]

>webnovel edition
I made the right choice taking a hiatus from sff. I will continue not reading.

[Anonymous No.22199085]

>>22198871
Honestly I agree, Maltese Falcon isn't his best work.

[Anonymous No.22199169]

>>22197538
Who even finds stuff like this funny? Why even include such "jokes" ?

[Anonymous No.22199207]

Someone post their shitty royal road story so we can all laugh at you

[Anonymous No.22199211]

>>22198953
A lot of people have this overblown obsession with 'maturity' which, to them, means no real idealism and everything being cynical. It's grimdark fans, it's people who think Batman and Superman should kill people, it's people who think swearing and fucking make something more mature, etc. They're entitled to their opinion and all and I'm sure some good stuff can come out of that space but damn do I prefer characters who have a clear ideal behind them.

[Anonymous No.22199214]

>>22199026
I can't think of many chinese novels where protagonist kills entire families of his enemies.

>>22198953
The thing with webnovels is that 95% of the time regardless if protag is hero or antihero he is lame. Many people who read webnovels have been burned by progressive sjw nonsense in traditional publishing and just want protagonist not to be shitty white knight who is ready to sacrifice himself for roasties dog at first available opportunity, they want hero or antihero who looks after his own interests first and when shitty authors instead write litrpg systems, harem shit, endless chapters of meaningless stats, and just shitty tropes from anime/manga/video games instead of putting genuine effort into creating a realistic non lame character then readers get upset.

[Anonymous No.22199231]

>>22199207
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/70608/the-might-of-zareth-short-story

[Anonymous No.22199247]

>>22198953
Because the target audience is people who just want cheap wish fulfillment so the mc not being a petty, selfish asshole feels wrong.

[Anonymous No.22199251]

>>22199231
It's unfunny, but engaging enough. Feels ESL.

[Anonymous No.22199256]

Pick my next sci-fi read from what I have on my tbr on my shelf:
Dr Bloodymoney
Pavanne
Grass
Non-Stop
Bring the Jubilee

[Anonymous No.22199267]

>>22199211
Why shouldn't heroes kill their enemies?
Regarding ideals it is a stupid western brainwashing, it's fine to have ideals but what is shown in western movies and western books is main character always taken for a fool by everyone. It's fine to have ideals but kill enemies then get on with ideals.
But yeah I agree swearing and fucking does not make it more mature, in fact it shows authors immaturity.

[Anonymous No.22199277]

>>22199247
>mc not being a petty, selfish asshole feels wrong.
Logically thinking why would any well adjusted person not be selfish, why would anyone read about mc is carez about others more than himself?

[Anonymous No.22199299]

>>22199256

Missed out The Dark Forest and Ball Lightning might read Dark Forest though since I want to finish the trilogy

[Anonymous No.22199318]

>>22198953
Because they're active instead of passive, that's it.
Passive characters are a plague on writing and render any plot/setting/etc... meaningless.
Why are there no active moral protagonists? A combination of slave morality and cynicism makes the average person think that either asserting your beliefs is inherently evil or there's no point in doing anything so you should just live a quiet meaningless life and die for nothing.
It's either that or the main character has to personally kill Super Hitler, who is just whatever internet celebrity is popular to hate on when the story was being written.

By contrast antihero/villain protagonists can have petty ambitions that are actually possible to accomplish and the means and lack of morality to accomplish them. The writer is freed from the chains of "but what if what the MC does is BADWRONG or slightly inconveniences someone?" and lets them just write an interesting character who does things.

Of course this is shit too, maybe even worse in the case where the edgy villain protagonist created to free the author from association paradoxically becomes an author self insert and lives out a retarded wish fulfilment fantasy where he's a badass hero, now without even actually having to do anything that helps anyone at all, he's just "heroic" now when he beats random people up for no reason.

In general it's an obsession with "doing something" that causes all of this. Everything has to be good and evil fate of the nation, etc... Can't just be a fun adventure that's just interesting and has no real grand overarching plot.

[Anonymous No.22199328]

Are the Del Rey books the best collection for all of REH's stuff or just for Conan? I've had the three Conan books for forever but I'm looking to pick up physical copies of the rest of REH's collection too.

[Anonymous No.22199357]

Are TWI posted anywhere similar to Kemono

[Anonymous No.22199363]

>>22199318
>asserting your beliefs is inherently evil
What's "your beliefs" to a post-modern leaning writer? It's all societal norms and social pressure to them.

[Anonymous No.22199367]

>>22199357
TWI updates*

[Anonymous No.22199477]

>>22199363
Literally anything at all, hence the "no active characters" problem. They literally can't think of a character that wants or does ANYTHING without first supposing that they're evil.

[Anonymous No.22199489]

The single best Fanfiction with a red pilled, anti-heroish Harry Potter:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/36413899

It got banned and deleted from many sites, including fanfiction.net and questionableQuesting. Reddit bans you if you recommend it in /fanfiction /progressionfantasy or /hpfanfiction. They call him Nazihammer instead of Noodlehammer.

Harem
Great Smut
Brutality
Explicit
Anti-Muslim
The single best portrayal of Luna Lovegood
Some great Humor
Outstanding Banter between characters


If you only ever read one Fanfiction in your life, make it this one.


Also has 2 sequels with nice worldbuilding, third is in progress atm.

[Anonymous No.22199507]

>>22199477
What's the hypothesis, exactly? Bad writers have an extremely conformist mindset? Just generally beaten down?

[Anonymous No.22199525]

>>22199477
I have never seen this problem occurring, you seem to just kind of make things up. Reactive isn't necessary passive. A reactive character still has a drive and a goal but they're responding to the world's challenges, whereas a passive one is just responding. I see a lot more of reactive vs passive.

[Anonymous No.22199530]

>>22199489
>On November 1st, 2001, wizards and witches all across Britain and even Europe were celebrating the fall of the Dark Lord Voldemort the previous night
What's the idea here, bump up the timeline so it all happens in modern day?

[Anonymous No.22199533]

>>22199489
"No!"

[Anonymous No.22199534]

>>22199489
I still remember reading some dumb HP7 fanfic that was out the night before as a leak, probably the only fanfic I ever read and it was an accident.

[Anonymous No.22199585]

>>22199507
>generally beaten down
Seems more likely, since they're both conformists AND cynical nihilists. Probably they just conform because of the nihilism, they see no reason to to just take the easiest path through life.

>>22199525
I mentioned those too, "reactive" characters fall into the "kill mega hitler to save the world from the demon invasion"
It always feels like they're only acting because they HAVE TO, like they're being forced against their will by reality and would rather not. It's more conformism, entirely passive in nature. Let's look at an example of an active character: Conan. Now he's after revenge yes, but that only winds up happening due to a series of coincidences and really he just wanted to be free and answer the riddle of steel. He had no actual NEED to kill Thulsa Doom, he just wanted to and went out of his way to do it. And after he did, he continued on as before following his own goals. No one compelled or forced him to do anything aside from when he was a literal slave.

[Anonymous No.22199599]

>>22199489
Blood Crest is amazing too, but it hasn't updated in like six months so I think it's probably abandoned.
Great characters and world building, lots of interesting divination/necromancy/vampire shit, only issue is the plot seems extremely ephemeral and meandering. Aside from "Voldemort's gonna kill you Harry" there's really not much else going on beyond the moment to moment. Probably why it got abandoned, no well established end goal for the story.

[Anonymous No.22199603]

>>22198799
Because Sherlock Holmes is a better character than some faggot Belgian manlet

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22199610]

>>22197192
The Dungeon Anarchist's Cookbook, Dungeon Crawler Carl #3 - Matt Dinniman (2021)

For most of the book I thought that I would have to rate it lower. The setting is basically many metro stations with a complex arrangement of crisscrossing train lines of two primary types. It's meant to a be a puzzle. The preface notes that the reader doesn't have to understand what's going on. A lot was done with the setting later on that made me laugh and chuckle at the outrageous developments, so although I didn't like it at first it ended well.

The previously mentioned stuff that would be available on the fourth floor didn't disappoint. The personal spaces reminded me of the base building in Fallout 4. The sponsorships added a bit to the intrigue, of which there was more than I expected. The background space opera continued on. Various other foreshadowed events occurred. I assume that stating how the future floors will be is in-book marketing hype, which probably does well enough, but it also may be a bit overdone.

I still don't like Mongo. Katia was a lot better by the end. Many other characters played more of a role, mostly through the chat function, which showed that a greater community was beginning to form. I await seeing how that progresses. My primary concern is that each book is longer than the previous which may mean that I'll feel like there's a lot of filler and have to lower my rating. Hopefully even if there is, it'll be sufficiently enjoyable.

Rating: 4.5/5

[Anonymous No.22199623]

>>22199267
>Why shouldn't heroes kill their enemies?
The platonic ideal of justice is "everything in its right place." Heroes save, not kill. There are some situations where killing can save many but for the most part the point is that punishment is up to the governing body. If the punishment isn't adequate, it's a failure of the system not the hero.
Batman stops criminals but it's up to the justice system to punish them. Why ask batman to kill when the justice system should be doing that?
If you want an extreme point of view, watch Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works.

[Anonymous No.22199668]

>>22199267
>Why shouldn't heroes kill their enemies?
The other anon said Batman and Superman specifically. That's a very different question from any hero in general.
I don't think you comprehended his point.

[Anonymous No.22199673]

>>22199623
>Why ask batman to kill when the justice system should be doing that?
Batman is literally a vigilante criminal breaking the law on the streets because the government can't stop crime using legal methods. At least use an example that makes sense like Spiderman, he just avoids killing people because he doesn't want to and it would make people hate him even more.

[Anonymous No.22199675]

>>22199530
Author wasn't in the mood to research the tech and history of the 90s and that's why he bumped it up. It's unfortunate that all his author comments back on the original fanfiction net version are deleted.

Have fun reading, believe me when I say that thst guy is an amazing writer with an unique style, it just flows.

[Anonymous No.22199677]

>>22199507
Modern writers having limited worldview, they were brought up in a liberal progressive way that made them have no ambition (according to libs ambition is something undesirable in the same class as merit and other white society ideals), so the best they can write is reactive character without his own ambition and drive to do things.

[Anonymous No.22199684]

>>22199533
You're missing out if you just ignore it because "muh fanfiction" and clearly seem to be interested in webnovels. There are some real talented writers

[Anonymous No.22199697]

>>22199623
>If the punishment isn't adequate, it's a failure of the system not the hero.
Why follow this rule in literature 100% of the time? There is so much diverse literature in the west but when it punishing criminals and evil doers or the conduct of a hero its always the same garbage and all literary diversity and creativity disappears

[Anonymous No.22199702]

>>22199673
Batman specifically doesn't kill because there's two main things for him: One is he thinks that's not his purview, he's already walking a fine line being a vigilante, and the other is he's worried if he starts killing, he might not know when to stop.
Superman, meanwhile, is basically "I'm too powerful to just be taking lives willy-nilly".

[Anonymous No.22199703]

Cugel's Saga but in China

[Anonymous No.22199733]

>>22199697
Cruel mercy is something I see occasionally cropping up. Where somebody is spared, but it's clearly not a 'nice' thing to be done, because circumstances are such that them living is the worst thing they could have happen to them.

[Anonymous No.22199744]

>>22198045
Back in the good old days all people had to do when not outside was read and write. The radio was the first blow to literature and caused a noticeable decrease in the quality of it. The television murdered it so badly it hasn't been the same since. The reason we lack authors comparable to the past greats is not because our brains have somehow degraded, its because there's simply many more things other than literature which can take up our attention now. That, and many of the people that in the past might have been great writers went to other, bigger things like making movies. (Though even these have degraded nowadays)

[Anonymous No.22200001]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22200047]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22200055]

>>22200001
>>22200047
Your "recommendations" are shit.

FUCK OFF.

[Anonymous No.22200065]

>>22199675
What is the Muslim context?

[Anonymous No.22200080]

>still no grimdark witch hunting fantasy

[Anonymous No.22200085]

>>22200055
Name a book.

[Anonymous No.22200100]

>>22200080
Those always ends up with the hero having sex and romancing the witch

[Anonymous No.22200107]

>>22200080
It's YA, but the first book of the spooks apprentice has good creepy witch hunting

[Anonymous No.22200138]

>>22200107
>spook's apprentice
No way they got away with that name
>published 2004
That explains it. A better time...

[Anonymous No.22200150]

>>22200138
>American title: The Last Apprentice
Not that much better.

[Anonymous No.22200158]

>>22198795
sometimes a person just wants to relax and read turboslop
>>22199489
thanks, picked up

[Anonymous No.22200164]

>>22197508
i can not believe autists genuinely read slop like this

[Anonymous No.22200170]

>>22198786
she and lancelot have always been among my most hated literary figures

[Anonymous No.22200186]

>>22200100
god do I hate romance shit, it ruins basically everything for me because it feels nothing but self-masturbatory narration for the author

[Anonymous No.22200188]

>>22200170
STOP CONSOOMING THOMAS MALORY AND CHRETIEN DE TROYES

[Anonymous No.22200225]

>>22198089
where my brother?

[Anonymous No.22200248]

>>22197493
>character tells stories about people doing bad things
>named Taleisin

[Anonymous No.22200254]

>>22200085
The Wallet of Kai Lung.

[Anonymous No.22200259]

>>22200065
The truth anon, he writes about the truth

Which is why he got banned cross platform wise

I won't spoiler that masterpiece, just read it

[Anonymous No.22200266]

>>22200170
>Cheat on wife with your own sister
>Leave her with dashing Frenchman
>Let said frog rule the kingdom in your name
>Get mad when wife fucks Frenchman
You're not supposed to self insert as Arthur.

[Anonymous No.22200288]

>>22200266
Morgan disguised herself as Gwen so Arthur would have sex with her, same as Uther did to Igraine

[Anonymous No.22200292]

>>22200254
Never heard of it. What's it about?

[Anonymous No.22200295]

>>22200292
The Wallet of Kai Lung

[Anonymous No.22200315]

>more zoomers associate King Arthur with this than the original.

[Anonymous No.22200324]

>>22200292
Fantasy chinks concocting humorous schemes to rip each other off in a picaresque manner reminiscent of Jack Vance's novels.

[Anonymous No.22200338]

>>22200315
And too many boomers associate Arthur with the 15th-century instead of the 6th.
>Llogres Ain't free. The sword in the stone gotta be litterd with the blood of pagans. Vortigern aka "superbus tyrannus" is not my pendraig. he is a Roman usurper and probbaly saxon as well :DD. LANCELOT and Gwenevere not Morgan and MORDRED ok. Rex quondam, Rex futurus.

[Anonymous No.22200373]

>>22200315
We got to see her titties. Best interpretation in all of history

[Anonymous No.22200378]

Finished kumodesu, I'm now sad.

People said that the ending was going to be shit but it was actually quite good. Well I'll find some new shlock eventually to fill the void.

[Anonymous No.22200395]

>>22199489
First chapter was hilarious but not sure if I'll be able to get through the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.22200409]

>>22200373
Helen Mirren's titties in Excalibur (1981) and also every other movie she got nude in (which is a lot) were better

[Anonymous No.22200434]

>>22200266
nobody is self-inserting, anime-fag. lancelot and Guinevere are traitors and die like chumps because they were unfaithful to the greatest king of all time

[Anonymous No.22200464]

>>22200434
>Guin escapes with Lancelot as she's being burned
>Has a happy family with her
>Upgrades from Elaine who disappears from his life
>Son finds the grail
>Dies of old age happy and content as a monk
Did we read the same stories?

[Anonymous No.22200477]

>>22199702
Superman also has his own prison dimension.

[Anonymous No.22200500]

>>22197508
people here read this muck?

[Anonymous No.22200502]

>>22199610
Your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.22200535]

>>22200324
Sounds a little too jewy for my taste.

[Anonymous No.22200564]

>>22198953
Me personally, I grew up on traditional novels, and I am fed up of the protagonist sacrificing himself for some girl he just met a chapter ago. It's in movies, books, etc. Some big catastrophe, and this guy stays back to hold the nuke switch so the girl can escape.
I just want a book with the protagonist doing stuff to better himself and his people, and not throw his life away for some stacey (the girls are usually very attractive in these stories).

[Anonymous No.22200568]

>>22199610
I still can't finish this book, and I had it since release.

[Anonymous No.22200567]

recently finished this and was very disappointed
I think the first 2 books were ok but the meme alliance with all the factions by the third book felt very forced and the captain getting eternally blueballed by the nun was also not so good
after book 3 it felt like it got way too convoluted
3/5 rating

[Anonymous No.22200615]

>>22200477
Yeah, and that's his work-around to not wanting to kill. He's also not STRICTLY no-kill, he will if the threat is simply too much to contain (Darkseid, for example, he tends to be willing to just go for it on) but his general idea is "I'm too powerful to decide who lives or dies, it's not my place".

[Anonymous No.22200654]

>>22200567
Nice cover, but it seems unlikely that the knight would even be able to penetrate the dragon's hide with that little sword.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22200656]

>>22200225
mobilism and other sites

[Anonymous No.22200680]

>>22200568
Mental blocks, life circumstances, and arbitary events happen. There's nothing wrong with that as long as it isn't causing you suffering.

[Anonymous No.22200683]

>>22199489
lmaooo

[Anonymous No.22200694]

>>22199610
This was when I knew I was binging it until I was finished with book 5 and my leisurely pace accelerated expontionally.
>first draft of DCC 6 is stil the only one available
If they're still keeping up with a July 1st-ish release then the full copy should be up any day now.

[Anonymous No.22200696]

>>22200225
Mobilism and other sites.

[Anonymous No.22200705]

>>22200694
The physical release came out on June 14th.

[Anonymous No.22200711]

>>22200705
What.
>This title will be auto-delivered to your Kindle on July 2, 2023.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C1R52V2J

[Anonymous No.22200717]

>>22200711
Sorry I'm retarded and you specified the physical release. Even the goodreads page say July 2nd for the phys release but yeah you're right.

[Anonymous No.22200735]

>>22200717
https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonCrawlerCarl/comments/14bwo27/got_me_a_present_today/johy7sf

[Anonymous No.22200915]

>>22198751
First book can be jarring at first because it deliberately doesn't ease you into the setting, but I enjoyed it the first time I read it. Erikson's prose and characters get better along the way. Third and fourth books are the best in the series imo.

[Anonymous No.22200968]

>>22197493
What?

[Anonymous No.22200988]

>>22199533
kek

[Anonymous No.22201006]

>>22200409
I like that she's old but still gets naked in movies, based horny grandma.

[Anonymous No.22201162]

>>22200338
>saxons had begun occupying the southeast
Fantasy based on >my ancestors :)?

[Anonymous No.22201225]

>>22200464
They don't have a family together
Galahad dies young
Lancelot dies of heartbreak shortly after Guinevere dies, who is buried beside king Arthur (for some reason), Lancelot is buried alone after causing the destruction of the round table and is remembered in stories as a traitor

[Anonymous No.22201276]

>>22201225
>Lancelot dies of heartbreak
Yeah about that, so what's the meaning behind it, did he suicide?

[Anonymous No.22201301]

What did I think of it?

[Anonymous No.22201373]

I'm reading Elantris. Wrote Sanderson off for a long time after not being able to get into Way of Kings but this one's doing it for me.

[Anonymous No.22201399]

Any recommendations for something tha mixes epic fantasy with westerns? Please no steampunk faggotry

[Anonymous No.22201408]

>>22201373
I didn't hate Elantris I just found it weird how very nothing 1/3 of the main trio was. The villain dude was probably the most interesting overall, and it's clearly rougher than his later stuff, but I guess it has a bit more thought/passion in it because of it being an earlier one.

[Anonymous No.22201426]

>>22201399
Red Country - Joe Abercrombie

[Anonymous No.22201450]

>>22201162
I wrote an amateurish one, I posted it last thread, but if you want something a little more professional, i.e. something that was actually published, you might try John Howe's adaptation of Beowulf or one of John Broughton's Anglo-Saxon books, though those are mostly historical fiction with little in the way of fantasy

[Anonymous No.22201492]

>>22200735
He didn't even mention it on his patreon. No wonder I missed it.
https://kemono.party/patreon/user/5429305

[Anonymous No.22201537]

>>22199489
>fucking harry potter fanfiction
It's sad how far these threads have from the glory days of Bakker

[Anonymous No.22201540]

>>22201537
>glory days of Bakker
>Bakker

[Anonymous No.22201563]

>>22201540
Yes, nufag. Back when we discussed actual books instead of webnovels and fanfiction. I doubt you were even there though.

[Anonymous No.22201603]

>>22201563
Nobody has discussed any books since Bakkerposting started, it's what murdered this general.

[Anonymous No.22201646]

>modern fantasy covers

[Anonymous No.22201660]

>>22201603
Bakkerposting has always been part of this general

[Anonymous No.22201666]

>>22201660
We have always been at war with Eastasia.

[Anonymous No.22201670]

>>22201660
I think I haven't read him out of contrarianism. Maybe the books are good, and the shilling has stopped me from enjoying them. You lot's fault, I think.

[Anonymous No.22201703]

>>22201660
>/sffg/ began when I first started posting on 4chan!
Never ever, newfag.

[Anonymous No.22201846]

>>22201563
Are you seriously fucking retarded? Have you been living under a rock? Have you seen the state of modern published sff? There is nothing to discuss because it's all progressive sjw garbage. Now how many more times can discuss the same tolkien wolfe and other based but dead authors?

[Anonymous No.22201940]

>>22201646
Nothing at all wrong with that first cover. I was actually interested in the series until I read its wikipedia page:
>The book follows two main characters and a handful of minor ones. Gwendolyn Lancaster is the heiress to her family's vast fortune and political power; the Lancasters being one of the few families capable of growing the crystals needed to power airships and weapons. Bridget Tagwynn is also the heiress to her family, but the Tagwynn family—once renowned thanks to a brilliant Admiral ancestor—is now reduced to running a meat vattery; little better than common folk.
Fuck female protagonists.
The cover has a pirate on an airship. Commentary says steampunk Hornblower with fantasy warfare. I'm reaching for my wallet. The twist: the two main characters are heiresses. Sorry. You were so close. It's too late now. Boilerplate SJW attacks on my stubborn sexism will have no effect and will not change my mind.

[Anonymous No.22202004]

>>22201940
There's nothing wrong with the first cover. It's included to show how bad they fucked up with the sequel on the right. Gwen's a cute and the other "heiress" is broke and an outcast. The other main character is the chad privateer captain on the first cover. The airship combat scenes are really well done and enough to keep you reading past the teens being dumb kids in their chapters.

[Anonymous No.22202021]

>>22201846
>how many more times can discuss the same tolkien wolfe and other based but dead authors
forever

[Anonymous No.22202060]

No god series WHEN?

[Anonymous No.22202069]

>>22201703
Bakker has been a staple in this general since basically it's inception. You were never there.

[Anonymous No.22202078]

>>22199207
All royal road stories are complete shit, authorship doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.22202097]

>>22198936
It was his first novel. He was dying of cancer so he said fuck it, I’m writing my novel before I croak. The plot was a blatant metaphor for battle with cancer. Turns out he got better so he changed the ending.
On the plus side, this is his weakest novel.

[Anonymous No.22202173]

I dled the darkness that comes before. in the first few pages bakker used the word "rutting" to describe mountains and the word "scudding" to describe clouds. oh, and a child got raped.
>inb4 filtered
yes, yes I was.

[Anonymous No.22202253]

>>22202069
>Bakker has been a staple in this general since basically it's inception.
He was never constantly spammed, that only started eight or noine months ago, and began the rapid decline of SFFG

[Anonymous No.22202285]

>>22202069
This general is older than 3 years, newfag filth.

[Anonymous No.22202298]

>>22202253
>eight or noine months ago
HAHAHAHAHA
Holy fuck the levels of newfag

[Anonymous No.22202305]

>>22202173
You ever read Berserk baby?

[Anonymous No.22202309]

>>22202253
Considering I bought the darkness that comes before in May 2021...and it was due to his spamming here...
Retard.

[Anonymous No.22202319]

>>22202253
Would you say it’s any different then when people brought up Sanderson? I honestly image it’s a phase like anytime the general starts to hyper-fixate on an author. Once more and more people burn through his bibliography and realize he’s just an edgy author they’ll hopefully move on.

[Anonymous No.22202328]

>>22202319
>phase
Lmao

[Anonymous No.22202346]

>>22202253
>noine
Bababooey!

[Anonymous No.22202348]

>>22202309
eh, that wasn't spamming then, at least not like what it turned into

[Anonymous No.22202358]

>>22202348
We are well into year 4 of his spam.

[Anonymous No.22202538]

does fantasy have an equivalent to hard sci fi? I want to read fantasy but I want non-magic opera if that makes sense. I don't know exactly what I want, just something fantasy that isn't all about action and goes into minute detail of how things work I guess

[Anonymous No.22202598]

>>22202538
KJ Parker is great if you like detailed descriptions of siegecraft, archery, fencing, logistics, engineering etc with almost no magic.

[Anonymous No.22202609]

>>22202538
Low fantasy is the term I believe.

[Anonymous No.22202625]

>>22201563
>discussed actual books instead of webnovels and fanfiction
Would be nice to just have two threads for books / everything else. I thought this place would have more discussion of individual fantasy books but there's almost nothing and I don't care about litrpg and cultivation webnovels.

[Anonymous No.22202700]

>>22202625
why? even if i were to write a book that's an actual story with a beginning and an end, none of you would read it.

[Anonymous No.22202704]

>>22198962
Thanks for the heads up, I can safely drop this shit.

[Anonymous No.22202744]

i recommended shadow slave to a friend (explaining that retards keep shilling it here) and he read all of it in 2 weeks or something.
i didn't read it because it's gay

[Anonymous No.22202749]

>>22198871
the character and style is why it's talked about

[Anonymous No.22203012]

[Anonymous No.22203113]

>>22197192
>Webnovel edition
This is my first time on /lit/, I always thought you guys were pretentious twats but I'm surprised to see SS here.
Anyway, for me it's the mech touch.

[Anonymous No.22203197]

>>22197192
A practical guide to sorcery is pretty good. I've Read all 167 chapters that are out.
negatives:
>glacial pace of ~1 chapter a week
>author is a woman (what I mean by this is that there seems to be a lot of effort spent on extra chapters for patrons, even non-canonical chapters, renditions of in-universe items like grimoires, character cards etc that would be better spent on writing etc.)
>some frustration with certain events or characters that doesn't make sense until much later on
positives:
>world building
>magic system
>a lot of unknowns, mysteries and intrigue
characters are
>no romance so far
>decent cast of characters
Overall I would recommend it if you liked Harry Potter, it's a more grown up version without a supervillain like Voldemort (at least so far) to turn everything morally black and white

[Anonymous No.22203257]

>>22202700
Yeah we don't cuckold feminist sff.

[Anonymous No.22203273]

>>22198833
>>22198871
>>22199085
>>22202749

I posted in last thread but Harkaway's Titanium Noir is great. I've never read this kinda stuff before so now onto The Big Sleep and I'll probably get to some Hammett soon. watched Chinatown and playing LA Noire. just kinda leaning into it

[Anonymous No.22203347]

>>22203273
I posted about it in the last thread, but there's an interview with William Gibson that I can't find anymore where he said that Hammett was one of his main inspirations. Chandler's protagonists cast judgement on the world they're in, Hammett's are a part of the world.

[Anonymous No.22203408]

>>22203197
>female lead
>gender bender
Plenty of red flags already, wouldn't be surprised if it turns into some trans lesbian garbage (if it hasn't already).
Not going to invest my time in something like that

[Anonymous No.22203455]

>>22199489
>noodlehammer
lol

[Anonymous No.22203457]

>>22203455
also inb4 >phoneposter, get with the times oldfags

[Anonymous No.22203460]

>>22203408
That blurb is awful. I almost didn't start reading because of it but maybe that's why I was so pleasantly surprised when I started reading it
>wouldn't be surprised if it turns into some trans lesbian garbage
Nothing like that so far. Actually now that I think about it I can't recall a single mention of characters getting together or having relationships

[Anonymous No.22203465]

>>22203455
This is literally true though. Monarchy being labeled far right is debatable though. To say the least.

[Anonymous No.22203477]

>royal road doesn't allow sex scenes with minors
What's this gay shit? Then something like game of thrones would be banned from RR too.

[Anonymous No.22203639]

Just become the worm bro

[Anonymous No.22203699]

>>22203457
The only reasonable criticism I can see in the content of that screenshot is that Noodlehammer seems kind of young (mid-30s at most), which makes sense if he's writing harry porter fanfics. You seem even more naive than him and possessed of a much smoother brain.

[Anonymous No.22203701]

>>22203477
RR is pozzed censorship garbage

[Anonymous No.22203782]

>>22203639
My memes are not my own :(

[Anonymous No.22203864]

>>22202538
Brando Sando basically. People don't like it, I don't like it either, but when you say "hard fantasy" he's the first thing to come to mind. All the magic in his books follows specific hard rules and utilized scientific analysis to uncover and utilize those rules to the point where it's basically not even fantasy anymore and is just alternate reality physics.

Alternatively you may be interested in metaphysics/cosmology, in which case the only things I know of are real religious texts and adjacent mythology. They're written very differently to most books though and use a tremendous amount of analogy, metaphor, symbology, etc... And basically never bother with direct explanations since it's assumed you would either already know it or have been confused by the direct explanation and want something different. Read the Bhagavad Gita, it's really short and simple and will give you the tools to understand most other religious philosphy/mythology.

As a middle ground maybe try reading the Mahabharata or Journey to the West.

[Anonymous No.22203973]

Is Frank Herbert the Tolkien of scifi?

[Anonymous No.22203993]

>>22203973
I think so. I can't think of another scifi book that's so huge and recommended even by normies than Dune.

[Anonymous No.22204028]

>>22203973
Ron L. Hubbard is the Tolkien of sci-fi, we've been over this.

[Anonymous No.22204031]

>>22203973
philip dick

[Anonymous No.22204058]

>>22203273
might read this next, sounds interesting.
thanks for the rec

[Anonymous No.22204076]

>>22203973
Fortunately there is no tolkien of sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.22204117]

>>22204076
list your 5 favorite fantasy authors

[Anonymous No.22204131]

>>22203973
No, that'd be George Lucas - unfortunately, Lucas' overwhelming influence and notoriety has, like Tolkien, destroyed his genre by the sheer grandeur of his presence, making it almost impossible to produce anything of similar quality or meaning within it.

[Anonymous No.22204147]

>>22204117
Sanderson
Rothfuss
Martin
Pirateaba
Gaiman

[Anonymous No.22204211]

>>22204147
Ok awesome, now list as many works as you can that are simultaneously:
1. Derivative of Tolkien
2. Popular, notable and important to the genre

Or, even better, you could actually make a real argument from first principles about how Tolkien has been detrimental to fantasy, instead of the constant passive-aggressive faggotry. But I know that you lack the cognitive discipline for that, so I have to walk you through the process one baby step at a time.

[Anonymous No.22204232]

>>22204117
Vance, Wolfe, Attanasio, CAS, Lovecraft.

>>22204147 Not me

[Anonymous No.22204233]

>>22204131
>star wars
>scifi
You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.22204258]

>>22204211
>Or, even better, you could actually make a real argument from first principles about how Tolkien has been detrimental to fantasy, instead of the constant passive-aggressive faggotry. But I know that you lack the cognitive discipline for that, so I have to walk you through the process one baby step at a time.

Talk about "passive-aggressive"! Making such an argument is obviously unnecessary, since the point is apperantly so self-evident that I only needed to vaguely allude to it foe you to understand.

But to be fair to Tolkien, D&D has been far worse for the genre than his shadow has.

[Anonymous No.22204275]

been dabbling in sci fi writing, here are some samples what do you guys think?

"Know this GANAD!!! Your powers are drawn upon the countless souls you have brought down to agony and suffering, of all the sentient beings that have existed upon this great universe, you have broken all sanctity of life for the sake of your endless expansion. You dare relish on the blood of the endless transient suffering of the helpless, innocent, and the fallen souls of those who dare shed love on this endless darkness of time.

But MARK MY WORDS! The day of the catharsis WILL COME! The cries of the innocent, the shattered hearts of the brave, the very energy you feed upon WILL BE YOUR OWN DOWNFALL!!

Trace all the heart strings that has emerged across this chaos of time, the force that tugs us to action, to motion, and to will! YOU SHALL SEE THAT IT ALL CONVERGES TO MONAD!!! THE REQUIEM OF SOULS, THE CONVICTIONS OF THE BELIEVERS!! THIS VERY ENERGY DISPELS THIS DOMAIN OF DEATH YOU CAST ON ME."

The shattered body of the God machine started to reassemble it's self drawing resources across the riff of space-time,

It's fist starts to form an event-horizon, and upon the halo he casts on his head his holy rage converges onto GANAD...

And upon his cosmic forged fists accumulates the kinetic energy equivalent of the vast distance between him and GANAD.


In a swift motion, he throws his fist across the fabric of space-time, the event horizon around his fist morphing, folding the distance between him and GANAD, The warped fist of the GOD MACHINE BREAKS THROUGH THE BARRIER OF LIGHT!!! THE KINETIC IMPACT OF THE 500 MILLION YEARS WORTH OF DISTANCE CROSSED IN MERE SINGLE PLANK TIME, LANDING THE TITAN KNUCKLES RIGHT ONTO GANAD'S FACE.

The energy of the impact, equivalent of a million thermonuclear explosion, blasts the domain of death into an unholy chaos!!! THE REALM OF MONAD, THE DOMAIN OF LIFE... STANDS!!!


- Climax of Monad vs GANAD for the custodian of singularity event.

[Anonymous No.22204283]

If your webnovel doesn't have fanservice, why does it even exist?

[Anonymous No.22204291]

Man, Girl's last tour hit me like a train

[Anonymous No.22204298]

>>22204283
My fan service chapter was the least read chapter... I think RR readers avoid it.

[Anonymous No.22204320]

RR user look like a bunch of pretentious twats. I read to be entertained, not to get high on someone's farts.

[Anonymous No.22204331]

>>22204283
Fanservice should be done by fans in my opinion. Have beautiful characters and romantic possibilities open, but leave it to the readers. If the creator is the one making the R34, they've already failed.

[Anonymous No.22204334]

>>22204320
You described sffg.

[Anonymous No.22204338]

>>22204275
very Bakker-esque (shit, in other words)
you should change the name of the guy to GONAD for laffs

[Anonymous No.22204385]

>>22204147
lol nice bait
On another note. All you plebs in this thread need to read R A Lafferty

[Anonymous No.22204394]

Imagine reading something that NOT EVEN publishing houses will publish. (webnovels, litrpg)

[Anonymous No.22204416]

>>22204394
Litrpgs get published all the time, so do webnovels.

That said, I love lightlark, A X of Y and Z series the most.

[Anonymous No.22204428]

>>22204416
Name 3 litrpgs that are being sold in Barnes and Noble

[Anonymous No.22204429]

>>22204394
This is the executive editor at Orbit books, a major SFF publisher. There are many asking for it.
https://twitter.com/bhvide/status/1652033790280081409

[Anonymous No.22204431]

>>22204416
I would also like to know what litrpgs are being tradpubbed. I've been curious to see how long it takes the publishing houses to tap the "13 year old boys who actually want to read" market

[Anonymous No.22204436]

>>22204431
dont know why 13 year old boys would want to read that when they could read something interesting like three musceteers

[Anonymous No.22204439]

>>22204431
13 year old boys don't buy books. That's why only women and Brandon Basedderson get published.

[Anonymous No.22204443]

>>22204394
I read almost exclusively webnovels, but litRPG and systemslaves are an absolute cancer.

[Anonymous No.22204452]

>>22204394
I only read litrpg that WAS published. When they are published, they are usually proof reader properly and cleaned up.
Many webnovels get offers from Podium, aetheon, Tantor among others for their works.

[Anonymous No.22204463]

>>22204443
>systemslaves
please give me a definition

[Anonymous No.22204471]

>>22204429
I hope they don't use this fagget and end up getting boycotted.

[Anonymous No.22204472]

>>22204428
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/books/role-playing-game-fiction/litrpg-fiction/_/N-29Z8q8Z2x4f

[Anonymous No.22204485]

>>22204472
they have them in web catalog, now show me one that is in stock in one of their stores

[Anonymous No.22204486]

>>22204463
There are two types. The coerced type that is forced to take actions that they otherwise wouldn't because of the system. This is usually in the form of some kind of quest or to avoid penalties.
The second is the typical gaymer. A loser MC who suddenly becomes proactive because "numbers go up".

[Anonymous No.22204494]

>>22204486
Oh I forgot about the third type. which is the "System, please solve all my problems for me" type. See warlock of the magus world or slime tensei.

[Anonymous No.22204500]

>>22204486
By those descriptions I still dont know the difference to litrpg, but then again, I dont read those or any webnovels or non-trad

[Anonymous No.22204523]

>>22204486
First one is horrible. No reason to deal with motivations if the quest log is forcing the protag to do everything. Hate it.
Soft spot for the second one as long as it's sort of poking fun at gamers and gamer logic.
Third, I haven't seen too often, but is also terrible.

[Anonymous No.22204529]

>>22204232
>>22204258
>Making such an argument is obviously unnecessary, since the point is apperantly so self-evident that I only needed to vaguely allude to it foe you to understand.
No, there is no argument there. What I recognized in your allusion is not any argument, just assumed truth. It's easy to recognize because the meme is so pervasive. And none of you pea-brains are EVER able to articulate a coherent argument as to why Tolkien should be blamed for problems in the genre. You can't even explain what the problems are in clear terms, let alone speculate about what an alternative timeline might look like.
>But to be fair to Tolkien, D&D has been far worse for the genre than his shadow has.
D&D is really just a massive grab-bag of fantasy ideas from numerous sources (including Vance, Lovecraft, CAS and Robert E Howard), and authors always just pick and choose what they want to use. D&D even popularized the term "Vancian magic."

[Anonymous No.22204539]

>>22204523
>>22204486
>book
>quest log
>numbers go up
Literature... Send help...

[Anonymous No.22204557]

>>22204500
LitRPG is video game mechanics. With stats (strength, stamina, ect...), classes, skills, evolution trees, ect...

A system can be thought of as some kind of AI assistant which can help the MC either directly with advice, issue quests to earn points or some kind of item store where they can spend these points or display the user's stats. Depending on the novel it can either have all of those or just some.

There is overlap but it doesn't have to. Usually in LitRPG everyone has stats and the world works under video game rules while systems are exclusive "cheats" for the MC.

[Anonymous No.22204568]

>>22204557
I honestly don't understand why people would read this... Well, at least they read something, and I hope to God, they will turn to something more literate in the future.

[Anonymous No.22204578]

>>22204568
It is a "literary" genre designed by and for soulless bugmen, that have themselves effectively trained generations of non-chinese into becoming soulless bugmen themselves. Nobody who reads LitRPG will graduate to real books, only higher minds can be degraded into falling into the inescapable muck of the pit of LiTRPG, where they will expend the last remnants of their IQ before devolving into drooling retards posting on TikTok.

[Anonymous No.22204584]

>>22204568
Same reason people watch sports
>Favorite team wins
>Identify with favorite team
>Also feel happy

>MC is strong, cool and women love him
>Identify with MC
>Also feel strong, cool and attractive to women
Anything else is secondary.

[Anonymous No.22204589]

>>22204584
Welp! I thought literature was a way to raise oneself higher (in the neo-platonic ladder), not to just substitute one low-brow activity with another.
>>22204578
I guess you have a point and my hopes are hopeless.

[Anonymous No.22204591]

>>22204439
When I was 13, bookstores were full of shitty Dragonlance spinoff novels and the RA Salvatore Drizzt books. Pic related is the cover of Dark Heart from 1992 (not sure why Raistlin has fur lining on his robe like he's santa claus).

I realize 13 year olds are playing a lot more videogames and jerking off to tiktok than when I was a kid, and that your post is probably meant to be sarcastic. But I think the logic here is reversed. 13 year olds don't buy books because publishers refuse sell them what they want to read.

[Anonymous No.22204601]

>>22204589
>thought literature was a way to raise oneself higher
You can't raise yourself higher by consuming no mater how high-brow the content you consume is. Only by becoming a creator do you become better.

[Anonymous No.22204605]

>>22204601
>dont read philosophy and great works of classics, youll learn nothing
>start writing litrpg im sure that will make you smarter

[Anonymous No.22204614]

>>22204529
>And none of you pea-brains are EVER able to articulate a coherent argument as to why Tolkien should be blamed for problems in the genre. You can't even explain what the problems are in clear terms, let alone speculate about what an alternative timeline might look like.
We are not obligated to do your homework for you.

Anyway, who cares? Why the butthurt? This is a problem of a bygone era, the 80's and 90's and only a little bit of the 00's. Only women get published in fantasy now and who knows or cares what kind of stuff they write. Mostly a series of graphic sex scenes, according to my female friends.

[Anonymous No.22204633]

>>22204605
>Consume philosophy
>Become some smarty pants pseudo intellectual on twitter with a Greek statue as an avatar.

>Write trashy litrpg
>become better at expressing yourself, improve your grammar and increase the amount of vocabulary you know

I won't deny that litrpg authors are the lowest rung of creators, but I believe that they are better than those who only passively consume content, no matter how intellectual that content is.

[Anonymous No.22204664]

>>22204436
1. 13 year old boys will be biased toward their own, contemporary language.
2. It's becoming difficult for boys to discover adventure classics at all, due the types of people who tend to control schools and publishing.

[Anonymous No.22204669]

>>22204614
>Anyway, who cares? Why the butthurt?
Because you faggots never miss an opportunity to parrot your meme: >>22204076
And I hate when people lazily parrot dumb memes.

[Anonymous No.22204670]

>>22204591
>13 year olds don't buy books because publishers refuse sell them what they want to read.
Maybe there's a bit of that, but do you know how much women read? Most men don't even read fiction at all, or if they do it's something 50 or 100 years old. Women will easily drop $30 on each of the new Sarah Maas novels.

[Anonymous No.22204672]

>>22204669
Prove the meme wrong, lazybones.

[Anonymous No.22204708]

>>22204591
This picture upsets me. Look at that womans head. Her jaw protudes way past her forehead, which makes her look like a black person. That is one hell of a square jaw. All the clothes are neat and clean, they look factory made. Same with the boards on that fence. You can't get lumber that straight at home depot, and if you could, you're not using it on a fence.

[Anonymous No.22204724]

>>22204394
You must really enjoy stories about brown skinned alt people bringing the fight to the man.

[Anonymous No.22204732]

>>22204708
I'm just looking at her armpits.

[Anonymous No.22204769]

>>22204708
Neck yourself?

[Anonymous No.22204811]

>>22204708
God, tranime has ruined entire generations of men

[Anonymous No.22204824]

Any Planetary Romance enjoyers?

[Anonymous No.22204831]

>>22204811
Not at all.
More like seperating the wheat from the shaft by making all the weirdo freaks expose themselves with cartoons.

[Anonymous No.22204841]

>>22204831
Don't you mean chaff?

[Anonymous No.22204846]

Are fantasy and sf dead? Is there anything from the past ten or so years that's worth reading, or do I have to spend a million hours reading web novels until I find something?

[Anonymous No.22204847]

>>22204841
>he doesn't get the reference
lmao

[Anonymous No.22204855]

>>22204846
Yes, with that attitude it's personally dead for you in particular.

[Anonymous No.22204904]

>>22204824
I like the aesthetic but I've never looked at it beyond princess of mars and the flash gordon movie. Any you recommend?

[Anonymous No.22204914]

>>22204904
Carson of Venus is also pretty good.
Same author as the John Carter sagas.

[Anonymous No.22204922]

>>22204847
>gets called out
>I was only pretending
>you didn't get the reference

[Anonymous No.22204925]

>>22204922
Seems like someone is pretty shafted ;)
Can I recommend you a "doctors appointment"?

[Anonymous No.22204930]

>>22204847
>>22204925
Any sff books with based black dudes?

[Anonymous No.22204941]

>>22204925
>Seems like someone is pretty shafted ;)
dammn right

[Anonymous No.22204951]

>>22204930
Malazan has many.

[Anonymous No.22204953]

>>22204708
As the guy who posted the picture, I agree with all your criticism. The character is supposed to be very physical and athletic with an assertive personality. A masculine jawline fits her character. She's a major antagonist (military leader) in the original Dragonlance trilogies (Chronicles and Legends). After the success of the Weis&Hickman novels, TSR churned out lots of prequels and spinoffs for the 13-year old fanbase.

[Anonymous No.22204985]

>>22204953
Those prequels were pretty bad, Dragonlance Heroes (specially Legend of Huma and Kaz the Minotaur) were Kino as fuck, great gemmell-lite heroic fantasy

[Anonymous No.22204995]

>>22204846
>Are fantasy and sf dead?
Yes. Even the few guys I like who are still alive don't publish anymore. And it's a bigger problem than just sff.

[Anonymous No.22205016]

>>22204995
>waiting on a guy to finish his 20+ year sci-fi series
>last mainline novel was 2018
>"well I know I'm getting old and I hope to finish everything, I have three books planned to wrap the series up and I aim to have one out every 3 years"
>no new novel in 5 years now although he keeps writing short stories
>can't even talk about it here because it's outside of the top ten fellated authors/series so nobody has read it

[Anonymous No.22205053]

>>22205016
>fagget thinks he is super special and only he read books other people here didn't
You are just like that faggot the other day that was reviewing a book that I read like 10 years ago, and he was behaving he just found a gold vein no one else knew of

[Anonymous No.22205055]

>>22205016
Who? Bujold's vorkosigan saga? Or David Weber?j xwwrh

[Anonymous No.22205075]

>>22205055
Robert Reed's Great Ship series. He is a prolific short story author in addition but never a mention ITTs.

[Anonymous No.22205128]

>>22204824
>space Conan with a sabre, bikini babe, slightly altered Earth animal alien, rainbow terrain, backdrop of onion dome architecture and strange moons and planets
bit derivative innit

[Anonymous No.22205146]

>>22205128
Speak for yourself.
I personally only read pulp fiction.

[Anonymous No.22205152]

>>22205128
Also its on Marx and not on earth.

[Anonymous No.22205156]

>>22205128
Don't forget the aliens always want their white womens

[Anonymous No.22205160]

>>22205152
Mars*
Sorry freudian slip. I automatically assume that anyone who dislikes Frank Frazetta's art is a commie.

[Anonymous No.22205165]

Any books about a race of psychic warrior woman space elves and the one basic white dude who stumbles upon them and will fuck them all?

[Anonymous No.22205180]

>>22205165
Darkover

[Anonymous No.22205190]

>>22205128
Surely you're just pretending to be retarded and is not actually insinuating that the Conan stories somehow travelled back in time to influence John Carter?

[Anonymous No.22205216]

>>22204846
I like to think its still kicking, but the classic fantasy novel is getting harder to find amongst the litrpg and "progression story" stuff. Fantasy is generally written by nerds, and the nerd of today is a paler, less soullful sort than the nerd of yesteryear. They used to get inspiration from Tolkien, but now they get it from videogames.

[Anonymous No.22205221]

>>22205165
you might like Sexy Space Babes on royalroad

[Anonymous No.22205233]

>>22205016
>>can't even talk about it here because it's outside of the top ten fellated authors/series so nobody has read it
That's just the nature of popularity.
Instead of crying about it, you could just try and work it into conversations.

Though personally for me it's depressing to hear about yet another huge, unfinished series. I know it's possible to derive entertainment from unfinished work and it's certainly possible to have an open-ended sequence of novels that don't really need to be "finished," but god damn. It's cool when authors are ambitious but maybe it would be better to aim for a 5-book, 1.5 million word epic to be finished in 10 years instead of 2-3 million words across 7-10 books.

[Anonymous No.22205275]

Any good horror recommendations? Never dipped my toe into that genre so I don't know the lay of the land. Not really talking about Stephen King or Spooksville type stuff.

[Anonymous No.22205286]

>>22197468
you oversimplified the story fat too much there.

there is something consuming worlds . what it is not clear ,but it is so powerful even the gods died at it's hands .
it mutilates worlds ,make them into nightmarish ,horror infested landscapes .
it reaches earth.
those who survives the nightmares and gain aspects have to constantly enter the dream realm when they sleep to fight nightmares so they don't overrun the earth.

the dream realm is some kind of lovercraftian darl soulish world populated by a wide range of things from flesh eating monsters to things that make you insane when you look at them and everything is extra hard to kill

the protag ,sunless.his flaw is that he can't lie ,but what make his flaw deadly is his aspect . shadow slave . it means he's the shadow of the shadow god ,and his aspect demand he give his real name 'lost from light' to someone he deems worthy to become his master since ' a shadow should not walk without an owner'

all of this is brought to head with his foil. a girl named nephis ,who is basically his opposite but also somewhat neurotic and instable .

[Anonymous No.22205305]

>>22197468
>Some humans go into a Dream, if they die in the Dream they turn into a monster. If they survive the Dream they get special unique powers called Aspects
Kind of sound like this tbqhwyb https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/61400806

[Anonymous No.22205318]

>>22205233
>Instead of crying about it, you could just try and work it into conversations
Wow. Gee. This is the first time I have ever discussed books on the world wide web and I never considered that.

[Anonymous No.22205339]

>>22205128
Yes. It's basically 'Orientalism' in space.
>>22205156
Sometimes. In JCoM it's the opposite.

[Anonymous No.22205346]

>>22205180
>>22205221
Thanks bros. I was hoping for Outsider as a book instead of a webcomic that painfully churns one page a month but I'll make do.

[Anonymous No.22205355]

>>22198953
this has become a problem in the webnovel community .
in fact , while shadow slave is ranked number 1 in many websites,it's actually review bombed in others because people complained the author didn't make the protag ruthless and cutthroat enough for their taste .
many aspiring authors are now forced into writing edgy protags because anything else will be negatively rated into oblivion

[Anonymous No.22205366]

>>22205355

[Anonymous No.22205379]

>>22205318
Well then why are you bitching?

[Anonymous No.22205488]

>>22205152
>Marx, the red planet
Could work as a pulp story, space Conan fighting alien communists.

[Anonymous No.22205535]

>>22205488
>muh communists
You mericans really are afraid of the C word boogieman. If you hear the word "comrade" you start sweating bullets.

[Anonymous No.22205559]

>>22204914
pretty sure that art is of the dying earth by jack vance

[Anonymous No.22205567]

>>22205535
They're afraid of people who use communist tactics and get confused. Anyone identifying as a communist and using "comrade" in the current year is lolcow material.

[Anonymous No.22205573]

>>22205535
Holy shit dude he was just making a joke about the other guy's typo, get your head out of your ass

[Anonymous No.22205626]

Just started Malazan. What am i in for /lit/bros?

[Anonymous No.22205631]

Finished asoiaf and feeling empty. What should I read next?

[Anonymous No.22205635]

>>22205535
sanest europig

[Anonymous No.22205640]

>>22205631
A Court of Thorns and Roses

[Anonymous No.22205660]

>>22205631
Lions of Al-Rassan, I’ve honestly fell in love with the way Guy Gavriel tells his stories they have a lot of soul.

[Anonymous No.22205672]

reading is for fags
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[Anonymous No.22205735]

>>22205631
>Finished asoiaf
How? All the books aren't even out yet

[Anonymous No.22205782]

>>22205165
What about super nazi women?

[Anonymous No.22205791]

>>22205735
I mean I just finished writing them.

[Anonymous No.22205861]

dead

[Anonymous No.22205867]

>>22205782
Not him but I'll take it if you've got it

[Anonymous No.22205882]

>>22205782
seconding this >>22205867

[Anonymous No.22205895]

>>22205275
Anyone? I guess I should also specify that I'm looking for fantasy/sci fi horror type stuff. There isn't a horror lit general so I felt best to ask here. I haven't really read much and I dunno who is worth it in that genre.

[Anonymous No.22205937]

>>22205867
>>22205882
It's wonderfully over the top.

[Anonymous No.22205956]

>>22205895
The Report of Mr. Charles Aalmers

[Anonymous No.22206018]

>>22205895
I haven't read a lot of it either but I read between two fires recently and it was good. That's got to count as horror

[Anonymous No.22206108]

>Shadow Slave made it off of r/noveltranslations and onto here
it really isn't good, it just starts strong, don't do this to yourself sff

[Anonymous No.22206120]

>>22205275
North American Lake Monsters would be my rec but you really just have to read some short story or anthology collections and work out what you like and branch in that way

[Anonymous No.22206146]

>>22206108
Reading light novel schock sounds like a waste of time anyway. I'm sure I can daydream similar bullshit and have more fun doing it.

[Anonymous No.22206158]

>>22203639
can someone do a better job than me with this?

[Anonymous No.22206361]

>>22205895
Have you tried reading through the Weird Tales issues on Internet Archive? There are a surprising number of horror/sci-fi or fantasy tales you can find there.

[Anonymous No.22206367]

>>22205275
Origin, from the Konrath horror collectove. The Barrow, by Mark Smilie.

[Anonymous No.22206522]

>>22205626
An author's cringe DnD campaign with "massive" worldbuilding as deep as the common rain puddle.

[Anonymous No.22206799]

I found a PKD book at a thrift shop, it was $2 so I thought why not
It has three stigmata, martian time-slip, do androids dream of electric sheep, ubik and scanner darkly
Which do I start with?

[Anonymous No.22206818]

>>22206799
Actually Three Stigmata sounds good
I'm going to start with that