Famous writers' opinions on Evola and Guenon

[Anonymous No.22155058]

People who wrote positive things:
>Andre Gide
>Marguerite Yourcenar
People who wrote negative things:
>Georges Bataille
>JRR Tolkien

Are there any others /lit/ knows of?

[Anonymous No.22155072]

>>22155058
>>Marguerite Yourcenar
?

[Anonymous No.22155084]

>>22155072
I forget where but she praised Evola somewhere

[Anonymous No.22155116]

>>22155058
>Tolkien
What did he say?

[Anonymous No.22155126]

>>22155058
c.s. lewis said to martin lings about rene guenon: he tryin convert me to hinduism

[Anonymous No.22155179]

>>22155116
>"...as to your second enquiry, I must confess, I have had the misfortune of chancing upon the works of Brn. Evola... they betray little true understanding of philosophy..."
Tolkien, in a letter dated February 12, 1963

[Anonymous No.22155192]

Balthasar said something about Guenon in Mysterium Paschale (The Mystery of Easter)

[Anonymous No.22155199]

>>22155179
der ewige perfidious philosemitic Anglo.

>“If I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people

I enjoy some of Tolkiens work but in my Reich he'd be in line for the firing squad

[Anonymous No.22155230]

>>22155199
evolians are often stupid beings

[Anonymous No.22155251]

>>22155179
>ad hominem
>doesn’t say anything specific so we can judge who was in the right, have to take his word for it
Pretty weak t b h

[Anonymous No.22155255]

>>22155199
Anti-semitism is for the weak..

[Anonymous No.22155275]

>>22155251
Evola subtly endorsed Luciferianism as “left hand path” spirituality. He also had virtually no understanding of Catholic dogma or theology and had pseudo-historical takes on ancient people, subjects that Tolkien dedicated his entire life to. It’s not surprising that the most well know Catholic novelist of the 20th century that studied these things for a living didn’t think highly of the edgy lying occultist endorsing paganism and Luciferianism.

[Anonymous No.22155279]

>>22155199
I cannot imagine thinking that biological Jew hatred as a political dogma and actual political program is LESS retarded than acknowledging that there are gifted Jews.

[Anonymous No.22155289]

>>22155199
you can tell he must've tipped his fedora right after saying that
glad they are using that talent to shit all over his work

[Anonymous No.22155296]

>>22155275
That he “didn’t think highly” of him is pretty plain by the first quotation.
As to his (Tolkien’s) biases being the real reason, you yourself made it quite clear.
What is weak is smugly trying to dismiss him alleging supposed philosophical differences, which are not specified. Again what is the specific issue so that the reader can judge for himself?

[Anonymous No.22155307]

>>22155289
Yes. It’s like Rowling pandering to the woke crowd only to be eaten by the very monster she helped feed, but with a century’s delay. I hope they make Arwen a tranny.

[Anonymous No.22155315]

>>22155199
ughhh......so much. baseeee.......

[Anonymous No.22155326]

>>22155296
That quote comes from correspondence, evidently the writer asked his opinion of Evola and he provided it. It’s not the basis of a philosophical debate, it’s a writer expressing his opinion.

[Anonymous No.22155490]

>>22155058
Roberto Callaso cites him periodically. Positively, I guess..

[Anonymous No.22155509]

>>22155058
Tolkien was a pseud

[Anonymous No.22155528]

>>22155072
>>22155084
>The formulas that Evola transmits, and the complex listing of the causes and effects that accompany them, seem to me so important, not only for spiritual life but for the use of all the faculties, that I know of no human condition that they cannot improve, whether in the case of the man of action, of the writer, or simply the person in the toils of life.

[Anonymous No.22155545]

>>22155296
Why should he have to give a nuanced critique. To point out there philosophical disagreements seems more than enough for an author of fantasy fiction. In fact, being broad is preferred since basically the entire worldview is the issue. Every single one of Evola’s books endorses some idea that Tolkien would identify as heresy or else just poor philosophy.

[Anonymous No.22155565]

>>22155275
There were members of the Ur Group who were Catholic. Evola often mentioned Catholic historiography, Catholic sacraments, saints, etc. He even advocated for Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity in The Fall of Spirituality in place of any occult dabbling in contemporary society. The establishment wants to make him out to be an anti-Christian writer to alienate people from his works but this is not the truth. He wrote one cringe book at the start of his career about how great a pagan revival would be and he later in life admitted he regretted it. Many an anon has converted to the Orthodox church because of his work.

[Anonymous No.22155584]

>>22155275
Very shallow reading of Evola. You may not like him but if you haven't read anything by him or only skimmed a few things about him, don't comment on him.

[Anonymous No.22155599]

>>22155058
>Evola and Guenon
>Evola and Guenon
>Evola and Guenon
>Evola and Guenon.
>Evola and Guenon.

>>22155509
>lets make a cancel list of our own
Rightwing IDpol.

[Anonymous No.22155603]

>>22155565
>The establishment wants to make him out to be an anti-Christian writer to alienate people from his works but this is not the truth.
Do you really believe this

[Anonymous No.22155608]

>>22155565
>The establishment wants to make him out to be an anti-Christian writer to alienate people from his works but this is not the truth.
Now in all honesty, he was only conceivably "pro-Christian" in a perennialist sense, which many Christians would reject.

[Anonymous No.22155625]

>>22155603
Do you have anything to say?

[Anonymous No.22155636]

>>22155625
Evola and Guenon both had ambivalent feelings toward Christianity, and all other revealed and purely exoteric religions, just like basically everybody between 1850 and 1950. They were simply part of the wave of people looking for a "gnostic" religion (a religion founded in metaphysical insight and not faith in exoteric dogmas). They don't hate Christianity any more or less than modern atheists do. Probably a good deal less, since they also see that it often functioned or functions as a vehicle of tradition.

You can easily be a Christian and still benefit from traditionalist metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.22155645]

>>22155599
Tolkien was a loser and so r u

[Anonymous No.22155657]

>>22155625
An opinion piece (expressing a reasonable, justifiable opinion) is not evidence of a concerted effort by "the establishment" to turn Christians against Evola.

[Anonymous No.22155666]

>>22155645
False flagging nigger.

[Anonymous No.22155757]

>>22155255
Only weaklings brand things as "anti-semitism"

[Anonymous No.22155771]

>>22155179
Is that a real quote? I doubt it. Did Tolkien read Italian? He spent the time to read an onscure Italian fascists author's lesser known works on philosophy? Because none of them were published in English at that time, except maybe the one on Buddhism, which was praised by the Pali Society of London.

So ya, Tolkien is lying, or it's another shitty fake tranny quote. They do this a lot. These "people" belong in camps.

[Anonymous No.22155789]

>>22155275
Low IQ post. Not to mention that Tolkien quote is fake, you idiot.

[Anonymous No.22155806]

>>22155625
He recommends for the average Westerner to be Catholic you idiot. Pagan Imperialism was his only anti-Christian work and it was one of the first things he published, he dialed things back later and said it went too far.

[Anonymous No.22155807]

>>22155608
Wrong. He was pro-Christian in a pragmatic sense. Read Fall of Spirituality / Mask and Face.

[Anonymous No.22155814]

>>22155599
The radical right have always been open about "cancelling" people, dumdum.

[Anonymous No.22155817]

>>22155807
>in a pragmatic sense
i.e. non-Christian

[Anonymous No.22155822]

>>22155058
There's also Tzara, Breton, Bonset, Gilbert-Lecomte and Daumal, Bosco, Ter Braak, Schmitt, Eliade…

[Anonymous No.22155836]

>>22155817
He advocated for Westerns to firstly be Christian in his book on the state of modern spirituality, that is the point. I don't care about autistic religitard arguments about who is a "real Christian", that type of cancer has literally gone on for ages.

[Anonymous No.22155844]

>>22155806
I already said that

[Anonymous No.22155855]

>>22155058
Jung is the obvious answer, even if he completely misinterpreted Evola.

[Anonymous No.22155862]

>>22155844
Yes, I thought you were arguing against him posting shitty msm articles, sorry.

[Anonymous No.22156162]

>>22155636
>and all other revealed and purely exoteric religions
Read Schuon. Christianity isn't exoteric. Alors, Guenon converted to Islam.

[Anonymous No.22156171]

>>22155565
No. There were members of this Ur group who called themselves Catholic but were in reality heretical occultists using labels like fancy clothes.

[Anonymous No.22156173]

>>22155608
Perennialism is objectively at odds with Christian dogma which claims the one truth and fullness of the one truth.

>>22155807
Pragmatism has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.22156188]

>>22155789
Wouldn’t matter if it was because everything I said was true.

>>22155584
I’ve probably read more than you have. I’ve read his obscure books you have to buy from aMather online publishers and I’ve even read some of his books in Italian. I was very deep into Traditionalism for years when I was younger. Evola does endorse Luciferianism. I know the Christians may not like that and some people may not want to accept that because he called himself a Catholic but it is true regardless. He also wrote negative things about Christianity, positive things about Islam and praised precisely those doctrines that are totally heretical for Christians.

[Anonymous No.22156204]

>>22156188
>my subjective opinion is Truth
>Evola called himself a catholic
Kek

Wow he wrote negative things about christianity and positive things about islam? Is that it? You're not obfuscating the truth at all.

[Anonymous No.22156215]

>>22156173
Christian dogma doesn't really mean anything now. Also esoteric and exoteric are frequently at odds. Great "argument", faleflagging discord tranny. You don't get to decide who is truly a Christian and who isn't. Guénon and Evola are infinitely more wise and knowledgeable than you, keep coping with muh dogma, you aren't even a rightwinger, just a tranny subhuman trying to spread division.

[Anonymous No.22156223]

>>22156171
>heretical occultists
That just means they went against the corrupt globohomo establishment which is not a bad thing. Plenty of extremely wise men throughout history were Christian and studied esoteric subjects. It is pretty common actually. Jesus did.

[Anonymous No.22156231]

>>22156162
Schuon is lame. Perrenialism is gay, Traditionalism is based.

[Anonymous No.22156251]

>>22156231
>gay
>lame
>based
Get off the internet, it will destroy your bain

[Anonymous No.22156270]

>>22155584
Please explain how Evola's Luciferianism can be understood as something other than Satanism? I am an Orthodox Christian and certain passages from Evola's works disappoint me. I agree with another anon who wrote about this.

In Russia, Orthodox traditionalists are interested in Evola, but they seem to ignore this Luciferian aspect in his teaching.

[Anonymous No.22156277]

>>22156188
What are your religious views? What influenced you after your interest in Traditionalism (books, authors)?

[Anonymous No.22156384]

>>22155275
I say we just do the Hegelian synthesis of both of them and get the one true philosophy.
Evola erases the anglo jewlover in Tolkien, and Tolkien erases the edgy occultist larper in Evola

[Anonymous No.22156505]

>>22156251
Fuck off racist

[Anonymous No.22156848]

>>22156270
Satanism leads down, Evola's idea of transcence leads up. Pretty simple. LHP is dangerous and could lead down/be perverted into actual satanism, and Evola acknowledges that fact.

[Anonymous No.22156993]

>>22155199
Tolkien was a fucking chud bigot

[Anonymous No.22157009]

>>22155771
>Oxford classical philologist can knows Italian??????
This board is completely retarded.

[Anonymous No.22157396]

>>22156993
surprised to hear that the Catholic monarchist from the previous century obsessed with ancient European cultures was "far right"

[Anonymous No.22157561]

>>22155179
>Tolkien, in a letter dated February 12, 1963
Who was it addressed to?

[Anonymous No.22157600]

>>22157009
Is the letter even real? Trannies post fake quotes about Evola all the time.

[Anonymous No.22157670]

>>22157561
Nobody cuz it's fake

[Anonymous No.22157803]

>>22157009
A philologist who specialized in ancient Germanic languages. Italian isn't a Germanic language. And even for scholars, languages take a lot of effort to become fluent enough to read philosophical works. Are you the one who is retarded?

[Anonymous No.22157935]

>>22155199
I always took that quote as him simply being cheeky. He strikes me as just an old school liberal (which did come with a certain degree of philosemitism baked in, admittedly) in the vein of Nabokov and Borges, none of whom really cared for or understood the post-WW1 radicalization of politics. Coincidentally, all three were born in the same decade.

[Anonymous No.22157946]

>>22155814
Why assume I don't already know this.
The green text is supposed to be in the junior bootlickers head

They have short memories, and will think their cancel culture is new.

[Anonymous No.22158063]

>>22157946
Let me put this in your retard language for you: junior bootlickers and senior bootlickers are not the same. It's almost like I'm speaking to a low IQ marxtard to be perfectly honest with you.

[Anonymous No.22158089]

>>22158063
>The green text is supposed to be in the junior bootlickers head
This one >>22155509
"One". He's one person, anon.

I am not a Marxist. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.22158170]

>>22155058
Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.22158637]

>>22155771
>, which was praised by the Pali Society of London.
this is actually a lie, there's no proof that the pali society actually praised Evola's work on buddhism

[Anonymous No.22158650]

>>22155255
It’s actually part of my religious beliefs

[Anonymous No.22158708]

>>22155058
Positive things:
>René Daumal
>Roberto Calasso
>Aleksandr Dugin
>Mircea Eliade
>Cristina Campo

Negative things:
>Gottfried Benn
>a few commie retards

[Anonymous No.22158729]

"I would prefer that the fascist criminal did not write anything about me and my works." Ernesto Junger

"Evola influenced me even more than Serrano." Umberto Eco

[Anonymous No.22158731]

I wonder what fringe ideas people will gravitate to once Evola/Guenon are shitposted too much

[Anonymous No.22158739]

>>22158729
This must be a shitpost.......

[Anonymous No.22158756]

>>22157803
He knew Latin so your point is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.22158765]

>>22155058
>magical fascism
We could LARP and make our own D&D rpg system to teach kids trad values. What do you guys thing?

[Anonymous No.22159000]

>>22158729
big if true

[Anonymous No.22159027]

>>22155199
>I enjoy some of Tolkiens work but in my Reich he'd be in line for the firing squad
Your reich is a gmod RP server, your ideology is schizophrenic diatribe on a computer screen, your beer hall putsch will be either quietly ending your own life at home or taking a bunch of schoolchildren with you. This is the bleak reality of your ideology in the modern day.

[Anonymous No.22159035]

>>22156223
No, it means they were heretics and not Catholics.

[Anonymous No.22159039]

>>22156204
> call myself a Christian
> assert the things in Islam which are at fundamental odds with Christian theology are literally true
> still think I’m a Christian

[Anonymous No.22159066]

>>22156277
I suppose I would consider myself non-denominational, but I’m sympathetic to Christianity and especially orthodox Catholicism. But I’d be lying if I said I never fell into abject skepticism. I sort of feel like that’s the modern battle for believers, or people who want to believe.

[Anonymous No.22159069]

>>22156848
> as a Christian it’s okay to be a satanist anti-Christian if it “leads up”
This is your brain on occultism

[Anonymous No.22159612]

>>22155255
semitism is for the weak

[Anonymous No.22159632]

>>22155636
Aquinas, St Augustine and the Book of Revelation is christian metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.22159643]

>>22158765
Varg has already done it lmao

[Anonymous No.22159657]

>>22159027
"white supremacy is the number 1 threat to the U.S.A"
- joseph biden

[Anonymous No.22161279]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22161348]

>>22155199
Are there any books where the love for the jews of the anglo is analyzed in depth?

[Anonymous No.22161471]

>>22159612
both premises are true

[Anonymous No.22161480]

Codreanu was everything Evola was trying to be.

[Anonymous No.22161595]

>>22161471
Low iq meme

[Anonymous No.22161599]

>>22158637
Yes there is, one of the founders was in contact with him and loved the book

[Anonymous No.22161606]

>>22159039
Evola never called himself a christian. He criticized islam too.

[Anonymous No.22161611]

>>22159069
Evola wasn't christian. He wasn't a satanist either. Try learning what satanism actually is before accusing people of it like a retard whenever your feelings are hurt because someone dares to practice spirituality outside of your judaic slave framework.

[Anonymous No.22161615]

>>22161348
They contolled their media and finance before they controlled it in the US, at a time when media was still trusted

[Anonymous No.22161621]

>>22159035
They probably practiced purity better than you could as a prerequisite to their esotericism

[Anonymous No.22161625]

>>22159027
You don't pass, tranny faggot.

[Anonymous No.22161663]

>>22161625
>t. Martinez

[Anonymous No.22161707]

>>22161663
I'm Northern European as far back as i can trace my lineage (400+ years, aristocratic). Keep coping, shitskinned tranny subhuman.

[Anonymous No.22161753]

>>22161707
>"I wuz kangz in Norf Yuripp"
Try harder Esteban.

[Anonymous No.22161757]

>>22155058
Dragos Kalajic wrote about evola on his website.

[Anonymous No.22161768]

>>22161753
Well done enforcing the idea of nazi racial hierarchies. Thanks, shitskin.

[Anonymous No.22161794]

Is there anything more pathetic than hating Jews... I can understand finding Jews annoying, even repulsive, the same way any other ethnic group can be (the Irish, the Italians, the Anglos...). But actual genocidal hatred? Constructing some whole weird fantasy-world narrative where Jewishness is some kind of seed of metaphysical evil? It's bizarre. Especially considering how thoroughly Semitic the average anti-Semite is in his moral intuitions... all of his cultural moorings are borrowed from Hebrews.. The world is truly a demented place when industrial slaughter is committed on the basis of—delusions. The cause seems incommensurate with the effect. Some LARPer like Himmler actually has the power to destroy millions. What in the goddamn!

[Anonymous No.22161811]

>>22161794
You're trying too hard, but even so, I agree. You can analyze the Jewish question without any hatred. I like Jews a lot, I just think they have a lot of issues they would be better off working out on their own. I think fascists who think the Jews are uniquely evil or uniquely responsible for everything bad that ever happens are rare, misguided, and usually just venting their frustration against a visible symbol.

Evola was the same way, hardly an antisemite despite translating and basically affirming the content of Leon de Poncins and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and being critical of organized Jewry. Life is complex, it's possible to both admire and dislike people. I really hate the French for example but also love and respect them.

[Anonymous No.22161818]

>>22155058
Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought.

The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language. The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting, subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital. Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question.

- Aleksandr Dugin

Guénon undermined and then; with uncompromising intellectual rigour, demolished all the assumptions taken for granted by modern man, that is to say Western or westernised man. Many others had been critical of the direction taken by European civilization since the so-called 'Renaissance', but none had dared to be as radical as he was or to re-assert with such force the principles and values which Western culture had consigned to the rubbish tip of history. His theme was the 'primordial tradition' or Sofia perennis, expressed-so he maintained-both in ancient mythologies and in the metaphysical doctrine at the root of the great religions. The language of this Tradition was the language of symbolism, and he had no equal in his interpretation of this symbolism. Moreover he turned the idea of human progress upside down, replacing it with the belief almost universal before the modern age, that humanity declines in spiritual excellence with the passage of time and that we are now in the Dark Age which precedes the End, an age in which all the possibilities rejected by earlier cultures have been spewed out into the world, quantity replaces quality and decadence approaches its final limit. No one who read him and understood him could ever be quite the same again.

- Gai Eaton

[Anonymous No.22161822]

>>22161818
René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

[Anonymous No.22161828]

>>22161822
“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

"René Guénon should certainly be considered a Master of our times. His contributions to the "world of Tradition", of symbols and of metaphysical teachings, are truly invaluable."
—Julius Evola, author of Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex.

[Anonymous No.22162740]

Aleister Crowley called René Guénon a "monkey" after Guénon never accepted Crowley's claims to being a 33rd degree Freemason. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.22162853]

>>22162740
Crowley seething

[Anonymous No.22162857]

>>22155199
>>22161625
>>22161707
holy based

[Anonymous No.22162861]

>>22162853
Hardly so.

Crowley single handledly BTFO the traditionalist school. Even Guénon could not handle this anglo.

He cucked Amanda Coomaraswamy:
>Coomaraswamy asked Crowley to help promote his wife Alice Ethel's performances in 1916. Crowley wrote reviews of her in Vanity Fair and offered letters of introduction for her. She and Crowley quickly became lovers and magical partners, engaging in sexual magic by April of 1916. Alice became pregnant.
>Crowley says that Coomaraswamy was quite aware of their affair and had even encouraged it, wanting Crowley to take on her living expenses while in New York. Crowley, in exchange, introduced Ananda to Gerda Maria von Kothek, a prostitute and former Crowley lover. Coomaraswamy and von Kothek were soon living together.
>when Alice Ethel's career began to take off, Coomaraswamy wanted her back. Alice Ethel loved Crowley, but, for whatever reason, decided to return to England with Coomaraswamy. She had a miscarriage as a result of sea sickness on the voyage.

Rene Guénon thought Crowley was a secret advisor to Hitler:
>To come back to Aleister Crowley, what you told me reminds me of the story that turned up in 1931 (I believe at least that was the exact date): while he was in Portugal, he suddenly disappeared. They found his clothes on the border of the sea, something that made them believe he had drowned. But it was only a simulated death, since they were no longer concerned about him and did not try to find out where he had gone. Actually, he went to Berlin to play the role of secret adviser to Hitler who was then at his beginning.
>A little later, Crowley founded the Saturn-Lodge in Germany; have you ever heard of it? There he called himself Master Therion, and his signature was to mega Therion (the Great Beast), something that in Greek gives exactly the numeric value 666.
-Letters from Guénon to Evola (X)

Julius Evola praised Crowley, wrote even an article about him:
>http://www.gornahoor.net/library/EvolaOnCrowley.pdf

He was a degenerate, sex addict, coomer. Crowley coomed regularly, he was a pro-coomer advocate:
>In his book, Magick, Aleister Crowley referred to masturbation jokingly and dysphemistically as child sacrifice.
>According to Crowley’s diaries, he performed this “sacrifice” about 150 times per year from 1912-1928.

[Anonymous No.22162863]

>>22162861
Evola called him a showman and said don't take Anglos seriously

[Anonymous No.22162868]

>>22159027
based
>>22161625
this is how you know you hit the spot

[Anonymous No.22162883]

>>22161611
Please explain what Satanism really is. With examples.

If you are not a Christian, then most likely Satanism does not exist for you.

[Anonymous No.22162906]

>>22161471
>bro just stay on the most powerful's side lmao

[Anonymous No.22162924]

>>22162863
Nowhere says that in the Evola article. He only praises Crowley and his transgressive

http://www.gornahoor.net/library/EvolaOnCrowley.pdf

You cannot even find a quote by Evola where he would criticize Crowley

[Anonymous No.22162930]

>>22162924
Sufi of Rome

>inb4 i-i-it's fake!!!

[Anonymous No.22162935]

>>22162930
But it's second hand information made by Christian priest living in England. It literally is fake and he has personal bias against Crowley.

Evola admired Aleister Crowley

[Anonymous No.22162948]

>>22162935
I didn't say Evola didn't like Crowley
I said Evola thought he was a showman

You gonna deny that Crowley wasn't a showman?

[Anonymous No.22162954]

>>22162948
Where does Evola say that? In the article I have posted multiple times Evola only states that Crowley had sensationalist character

Not only that, Evola also admired Crowley's mounta climbing feats as he was the first europeans to ascend to K2 and pioneering the climbing with Eckenstein. The two men shared same interests in their private lives and were both coming from Hermetic background (Evola with the UR group in his youth, Crowley with the Golden Dawn before the Mathers schism)

Have you even read the article by Evola where he concludes that Crowley's philosophy Thelema had "initiatic character" to it?

[Anonymous No.22162958]

>>22162954
>Thelema had "initiatic character" to it
pseudo-initiatic

[Anonymous No.22162967]

>>22162958
>pseudo-initiatic

This is where you are wrong. Guénon called Crowley "counter-initiate"

counter-tradition =/= counter-initiation =/= pseudo-spirituality

Crowley agrees with Guénon in a sense that he found out that the Golden Dawn was indeed pseudo-initiatory organization that led to the Schism to begin with that concerns the Third Order of Golden Dawn and "Secret Chiefs"

However, nowhere in Guénon's letters does Guénon consider Crowley "pseudo-initiate"

Guénon makes a difference between counter-initiation and pseudo-initiation.
>“Counter-initiation,” we must say, cannot be considered a purely human invention,which would be no different from “pseudo-initiation.”

For example. Guénon considered the Hermetic Order of Golden Dawn as a pseudo-initiatory organization in his letters.

Guénon writes:
>The Golden Dawn was a self-styled Hermetic organization that fundamentally did not seem to have a very serious character, because it was from its beginnings an authentic mystification. It is true that this could serve to conceal some rather suspect things. Internally, the principle role was developed by MacGregor and his wife (Bergson’s sister). Only much later was Crowley introduced to it, as he also did in many other things. Even when it was not about rather insignificant pseudo-initiations (perhaps that was not at all the case for the Golden Dawn), his involvement introduced truly sinister influences into it, if only making of it something much more dangerous.

So according to Guénon, even a pseudo-initiatory organization can develop into much more sinister, that is, counter-initiation.

In the case of Crowley, he "attacked" the Golden Dawn inner sanctum under the personage of Ommo Satan: the “Evil Triad” of Satan-Typhon, Apophras, and Besz and thus adopted the monicker "666". At least Guénon considered that Crowley brought some sort of actual counter-initiatory forces into an organization, that before, was a pseudo-initiatory aestheticism. So Crowley quite consciously associated himself with "Counter-initation"

This is however not psedo-initiation like Theosophy. Guénon makes the distinction himself

[Anonymous No.22162974]

>>22162967
faggot, you're putting words in my mouth again

I said Thelema was pseudo-initiatic
I know damn well that guenon said that pseudo-traditions are mere pawns of the counter-initiation

I don't care for you pasting the same shit over and over
kys

[Anonymous No.22162980]

>>22162974
>I said Thelema was pseudo-initiatic

Guénon did not consider it such way. He considered it counter-initiatic

>I know damn well that guenon said that pseudo-traditions are mere pawns of the counter-initiation

Guénon makes the distinction that pseudo-initiation is not the same as counter-initiation

[Anonymous No.22162984]

>>22162980
>Guénon did not consider it such way. He considered it counter-initiatic
post proof or stfu

[Anonymous No.22162988]

>>22162974
You don't seem to understand what Guénon means by pseudo-iniatiation, pseudo-traditions and what is counter-initation

>The Yezidi legend of the ‘7 Towers of Shaitan’, according to René Guénon, represents the tenebrous distortion or malign caricature of the 7 Poles (Aqtab) in Islamic esoterism, the ‘Saints of Satan’ embodying a devilish inversion and mimicry of the Sapta-Rishi of Vedic tradition or the 7 Apkallu in Mesopotamian lore who are associated with the constellation of Ursa Major – this infernal sense is conveyed in the connection of Set-Typhon

Crowley's Thelema was revealed to him by an entity called 'Aiwass'
> At some point Jacobs shared with Crowley Jacobs’s theory that Aiwaz was the proper name of the god of the Yezidis (in a 1929 interview Jacobs himself identified the name “Aiwaz” with Satan). Based on the scholarship of the time, it was believed that the Yezidis, a Kurdish people located in northern Iraq, worshipped a primitive form of Satan. This became the basis of Crowley’s subsequent identification of Aiwaz with Satan in Magick in Theory and Practice, especially in “Liber Samekh” in the Appendix, which in turn he identified with the Egyptian god Set

Guénon explains, what we have here is the “historical” origin of Satanism and of the counterinitiation, in other words of all that which, in revolt against the divine order, undertakes to use the power inherent in sacred forms contrary to their true sense, an inverted parody that takes the infranatural for the supernatural. Such an “inside out” use presupposes the loss of the sense of the supernatural, and therefore a certain degeneration of the sacred forms where such an inversion first occurs; and, once actualized, such an inferior and rightly infernal possibility will obviously attempt to seize all religious forms, even in the full strength of their orthodoxy. Under the circumstances, Guénon links this origin to the disappearance of Atlantis—the inheritor of which the Egyptian tradition was in part—and to the symbolic data provided by the sixth chapter of Genesis. This chapter recounts how certain angels coveted the “daughters of men” and united with them. Now there is, in fact, one text among others of the Hermetic tradition that relates this mysterious event to Set-Typhon.

This is not pseudo-initiation.

[Anonymous No.22162993]

>>22162984
I already posted a quote from Guénon's letters:
>The Golden Dawn was a self-styled Hermetic organization that fundamentally did not seem to have a very serious character, because it was from its beginnings an authentic mystification. It is true that this could serve to conceal some rather suspect things. Internally, the principle role was developed by MacGregor and his wife (Bergson’s sister). Only much later was Crowley introduced to it, as he also did in many other things. Even when it was not about rather insignificant pseudo-initiations (perhaps that was not at all the case for the Golden Dawn), his involvement introduced truly sinister influences into it, if only making of it something much more dangerous.

Here Guénon makes a sharp distinction that Golden Dawn began as pseudo-esoterism and mystification, but Crowley introduced counter-initiatic elements to it making the order "truly dangerous" according to Guénon

This is the letter:
https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=4693

29 October 1949
Cairo, Egypt

[Anonymous No.22162995]

>>22162988
You have no proof that Guenon said Thelema was counter-initiation

Meanwhile, in System of the Antichrist, Upton clearly puts Thelema and all things Crowley in the Pseudo-Tradition camp.

>>22162993
he says no where that Thelema is counter-initiation

That's the claim you're making
You should be able to cite it if it were a true statement
You can't

[Anonymous No.22163000]

>inb4 another pasta post
so boring

[Anonymous No.22163011]

>>22162995
So what do you exactly think that Guénon means by the sinister influences that Crowley brought to Golden Dawn?

You do understand that the Secret Chiefs that concerns Golden Dawn were the same 72 Superiors of the occult legend apparent even in Masonry?
>https://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/the-mysteries-of-trebitsch-lincoln-con-man-spy-counter-initiate
>In contrast, writers such as French esotericist Rene Guenon and Jean Robin, see a more secretive and sinister side to Trebitsch. To Guenon, Trebitsch was an obvious “agent of the Counter-Initiation,” a tool of hidden forces which sought to thwart and misdirect human enlightenment. Robin puts him in the service of the dreaded “72 Unknown Superiors”

Rene Guéon labelled Trebitsch and Crowley as “brothers” both as double-agents for London and Berlin and as agents of the Counter-Initiation. This is clearly produced in a . Rene Guenon letter to Rene Schneider, 13 Sept. 1936. Everyone can confirm this.

The Golden Dawn schism arose when the Secret Chiefs of Golden Dawn were invented to be a fabrication. The "Sinister Influence" that was introduced to Golden Dawn was Crowley's forging of a link with the Yezidi Aiwass and trying to convert the whole inner sanctum to Thelemic order thus the order was destroyed. Only Ordo Templi Orientis accepted the law of Thelema.

Now this is a thread for another speculation had Crowley forged the linked with Secret Chiefs. Guénon at least believed so as he termed the counter-initiation in multiple letters as 'Sinister Forces' making it distinct from pseudo-initiation.

[Anonymous No.22163014]

>>22163011
have you actually read Evola and Guenon?
or do you just paste shit from secondary sources?

[Anonymous No.22163017]

>>22163014
So why does Guénon never in his letters call Crowley or Trebitsch-Lincoln as pseudo-initiates, but associates them with counter-initiation?

Why is that?

[Anonymous No.22163022]

>>22163017
Burden of proof is on you to prove that he said Thelema was counter-initiation.

You cited Evola, but did you even read Fall of Spirituality where he discusses Crowley?
He says Crowley isn't a real Satanist
So if he isn't a real Satanist, how can he be a real agent of counter-initiation? Unless you are saying he is a pawn of the counter-initiation as a pseudo-initiate (which is what I'm saying)

And it also seems like you haven't read either of Charles Upton's works 'System of the Antichrist' and 'Vectors of the Counter-Initiation' because he goes through virtually all groups out there and discusses what is pseudo-initiation and what is counter-initiation.

[Anonymous No.22163023]

>>22163014
The problem is that you are using the words pseudo-initiation and counter-initiation interchangeably when Guénon always made sharp distinction between the two.

Guénon writes in Reign of Quantity:
>However that may be, the thing that makes it possible for affairs to reach such a point is that the ‘counter-initiation’ (and this is something that must be said) cannot be regarded as a purely human invention, such as would be in no way distinguishable by its nature from plain ‘pseudo-initiation’; in fact it is much more than that, and, in order that it may really be so, it must in a certain sense, so far as its actual origin is concerned, proceed from the unique source to which all initiation is attached, the very source from which, speaking more generally, everything in our world that manifests a ‘non-human’ element proceeds; but the ‘counter-initiation’ proceeds from that source by a degeneration carried to its extreme limit, and that limit is represented by the ‘inversion’ that constitutes ‘satanism’ properly so called.

[Anonymous No.22163025]

>>22163023
not at all retard

i'm more well read than you on this topic
are you incapable of actually discussing it beyond posting pastas?
fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.22163028]

>he hasn't read Evola
>he hasn't read Upton
>he's only read Guenon through secondary sources
>LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE COUNTER-INITIATION

why are pseuds like this?

[Anonymous No.22163031]

>>22163022

>You cited Evola, but did you even read Fall of Spirituality where he discusses Crowley?
He says Crowley isn't a real Satanist
So if he isn't a real Satanist, how can he be a real agent of counter-initiation? Unless you are saying he is a pawn of the counter-initiation as a pseudo-initiate (which is what I'm saying)

Evola clearly states in Chapter IX, “Il Satanismo” (“Satanism”) of Maschera e volto dello spiritualismo contemporaneo (“Mask and Face of Contemporary Spiritualism”):
>Finally, as in the other cases considered, the ostentatious Satanism of Crowley is explained only in terms of an antithesis to Christianity whose doctrine condemned the senses and the integral achievement of man, however, in his case, with an initiatic and “magical” basis rather than naturalistic.
>If the Crowleyian view would seem troublesome and obscure to many, even objectively the “satanic”
element, in spite of everything that the Great Beast 666 displayed almost theatrically, does not seem to
us very relevant. The corresponding coloration does not have as much prominence as that which,
fundamentally, possesses a magical, and in part initiatic, character.

So both Guénon and Evola recognized the initiatic character of Crowley. Guénon writes in Reign of Quantity:
>More generally, everything in our world that manifests a ‘non-human’ element proceeds; but the ‘counter-initiation’ proceeds from that source by a degeneration carried to its extreme limit, and that limit is represented by the ‘inversion’ that constitutes ‘satanism’ properly so called.

Counter-initiation. Not pseudo-initiation that is human fabrication. You don't seem to understand the distinction between the two.

[Anonymous No.22163033]

>>22163031
post proof that guenon said that Thelema was counter-initiation

you can't

[Anonymous No.22163040]

meanwhile I can post proof from Upton that Thelema was pseudo-initiation

[Anonymous No.22163055]

you guys are fucking ridiculous, maybe nihilism and humanism destroyed the soul of the West but it's not a reason to become occultist LARPers

Tradition isn't real

[Anonymous No.22163059]

These disputes are clear indications that Christians need to stay away from Traditionalism.

For Traditionalists, a person may be a Luciferian, but the details between counter-initiation and pseudo-initiation are incredibly significant.

[Anonymous No.22163070]

>>22163040
Upton is not any sort of authority on this matter.

>>22163033
I have already posted multiple proofs from Guénon's private letters and passages from Reign of Quantity where counter-initiation and counter-tradition are clearly defined

You don't seem to understand that Guénon considered purely human fabrications such as Theosophy as being part of pseudo-tradition (See for example Guénon's book Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion) and the so-called "Astral Masters" of Theosophy being pseudo-initiatic fabrications.

However, when it comes to agents of counter-initiation, Crowley, or Trebitsch-Lincoln for that matter, were never considered pseudo-initiates. Not by Evola, not by Guénon. For counter-tradition and counter-initiation do not have purely human origin, as stated multiple times Guénon. Crowley never claimed to have invented the philosophical-religious text of Thelema, "The Book of the Law", for the authorship of said text was always attributed to an being called Aiwass who Crowley associated with the Yezidi, Crowley writing:
>"Aiwaz is ... the true, most ancient name of the God of the Yezidi, and thus returns to the highest antiquity. Our work is therefore historically authentic; the rediscovery of the Sumerian tradition."

Now I have never seen Guénon calling Crowley a pseudo-initiate. Blavatsky he did call as such, for it was clear she was controlled by certain Masonic and pseudo-Rosicrucian organizations. However with Crowley, Guénon always associated him with counter-initiation.

[dago !NSA.1dx9Yo No.22163079]

>>22163070
>Upton is not any sort of authority on this matter.
lmao okay pseud

>I have already posted multiple proofs
no you haven't posted a single proof actually
i'll turn my trip on
come find me and post a passage where Guenon says Thelema is counter-initiatic organization
when you do that I will apologize

until then, you're a joke

[dago !NSA.1dx9Yo No.22163083]

Upton specifically discusses the Aiwass episode too btw

You don't understand counter-initiation

[Anonymous No.22163096]

>>22163079
>>22163083

But your posts seem to imply that Guénon or Evola considered Crowley a pseudo-initiate, while this is not the case, for he was always associated with counter-initiation

[dago !NSA.1dx9Yo No.22163137]

>>22163096
it's a blurry line between counter and pseudo
honestly I need to re-read upton's two books on the subject and refresh my memory as it's possible that I may be misremembering

I made a thread on it last year around this time
>>/lit/thread/S20370818


In the letters you posted, Guenon points out that Crowley "isn't a real initiate" in his eyes and would be laughed out the door at any "real" masonic lodge. does this not imply that he is a "fake" masonic initiate, AKA a pseudo-initiate?
To be considered a counter-initiate, he would have to be in opposition and actively scheming against masonic initiates.

[Anonymous No.22163317]

>>22163137
>In the letters you posted, Guenon points out that Crowley "isn't a real initiate" in his eyes and would be laughed out the door at any "real" masonic lodge. does this not imply that he is a "fake" masonic initiate, AKA a pseudo-initiate?

Guénon was associated Grande Loge de France (G∴L∴D∴F∴) Grande Loge de France and thus associated with Continental Freemasonry. Crowley claimed 33º Scottish Rite. The English degrees of Mark and Royal Arch are totally unknown in “continental” Masonry.

Crowley was not exactly a traditional Mason, otherwise he would have no need to found Thelema. OTO was a semi-masonic body that accepted the Law of Thelema. It basically meant that the ritual structures of certain Freemasonic initiations were reconstructed under the law of Thelema:

>Five and forty apprentice masons out of work!
>Fifteen fellow-craftsmen out of work!
>Three Master Masons out of work!
>All these sat on their haunches waiting The Report of the Sojourner; for THE WORD was lost.
>This is the Report of the Sojourners: THE WORD was LOVE;(23) and its number is An Hundred and Eleven.
>Then said each AMO;(24) for its number is An Hundred and Eleven.
>Each took the Trowel from his LAP,(25) whose number is AN Hundred and Eleven.
>Each called moreover on the Goddess NINA,(26) for
>Her number is An Hundred and Eleven. Yet with all this went The Work awry; for THE WORD OF THE LAW IS {Theta-Epsilon-Lambda-Eta-Mu-Alpha}. (=THELEMA)

Crowley claimed Thelemas the lost word of Masonry. It's numeration being 93 and also that of AIWAZ.

However, Crowley's claim to 33º is just a claim and Don Jesus de Medina who conferred the degree itself was a member of highly irregular lodge. If he was not a fabrication to begin with.

However, "The Book of the Law" of Crowley is not and should not be understood being apart/disconnected from Masonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_of_Sacred_Law
>Volume of Sacred Law (VSL) (also known as the Book of the Law) is the Masonic term for whatever religious or philosophical texts are displayed during a Lodge meeting.

So Crowley perhaps tried to flirt by trying convert certain Lodges to Thelema. Only Reuss OTO followed the program. Crowley took his Masonic degrees through an Anglophone lodge in France (as well as the Scottish Rite degrees in Mexico through Medina), and he was involved with aggressively occult organizing through the OTO of Theodor Reuss, which gave him at least nominal connections to Papus, who Guénon was also a student of in the beginning. It was probably a subversion attempt by Crowley as he also tried to become 'World Teacher' of Theosophy at some point to replace Krishnamurti. But Crowley's "Book of the Law" most certanly had masonic implications.

[Anonymous No.22163444]

If you're actually engaged in real occultism you can tell Thelema is counter-initiatic without needing daddy Guenon to spell it out for you (it's irrelevant if he actually said it or not). Stop all this gay talking and do the work.

[Anonymous No.22164344]

>>22156270
Everyone's talking about Luciferianism but no one is kind enough to even define what they mean by it. It seems to mean anything which disagrees even slightly with Christian doctrne, as he was implying that praising Islam is somehow Luciferian

[Anonymous No.22164848]

>>22163444
He wouldn't present himself as a satanist if he wasn't one.

[Anonymous No.22165042]

>>22155179
>"...as to your second enquiry, I must confess, I have had the misfortune of chancing upon the works of Brn. Evola... they betray little true understanding of philosophy..."

[Anonymous No.22165074]

>>22163444
real occultism is when you work with entities (like Aiwass) in the pursue of your true will on this earth, otherwise you go back to reincarnation until you soul learns what it should learn so you can ascend and become an entity yourself

[Anonymous No.22165094]

>>22155814
Newfag.

[Anonymous No.22165138]

>>22162954
He said "magical, partly initiatic". The *partly* initiatic part was the nondualism. The rest was fake, gay, and demonic. The term New Age comes from him. The idea that humanity is in a new age of "spiritual evolution" is peak counter-initiation.

[Anonymous No.22165155]

>>22165138
>The idea that humanity is in a new age of "spiritual evolution" is peak counter-initiation.

Crowley only declared that it was tha Aeon of Horus and it has nothing to do with the "New Age" that is associated with the Age of Aquarius, Alice Bailey and Theosophists coined the term New Age.

The Aeon of Horus of Crowley comes from Golden Dawn ritualism of pic related.

In the Golden Dawn Temple of the Neophyte the Hierophant is Osiris. The Hiereus is Horus. And the Hegemon is Maat. During the Ceremony of the Equinox the officer representing the Hierophant vacated the Throne of the East and was replaced by the officer representing the Hiereus. Likewise the officer representing the Hegemon became the new Hiereus. During this game of musical chairs only the officers rotate. The stations of the Gods remain as they are.

The Equinox of the Gods follows the same pattern, but in this case the actual Gods rotate around the temple. Osiris vacates the Throne of the East and is replaced by the new Hierophant, Horus.

Book of the Law says:
>49. Abrogate are all rituals, all ordeals, all words and signs. Ra-Hoor-Khuit hath taken his seat in the East at the Equinox of the Gods; and let Asar be with Isa, who also are one. But they are not of me. Let Asar be the adorant, Isa the sufferer; Hoor in his secret name and splendour is the Lord initiating.

It has nothing to do with "New Age", it is related to Crowley and Mathers schism with The Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn that was ultimately destroyed. However, it did have macrocosmical implications according to Crowley ie. real effect on the world affairs.

[Anonymous No.22165219]

>>22165155
>It has nothing to do with "New Age", it is related to Crowley and Mathers schism with The Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn that was ultimately destroyed. However, it did have macrocosmical implications according to Crowley ie. real effect on the world affairs.

https://twitter.com/fitnessfeelingz/status/1636412659196149761

it's true

[Anonymous No.22165325]

>>22155179
Sounds similar in tone to his comments I saw recently about James Branch Cabell. Strange how Tolkien was always making negative remarks about the finest authors. He blinded himself for his religion, and was betrayed by it at last.

[Anonymous No.22165336]

>>22155058
This thread clearly demonstrates the uncertainty of traditionalists in their own rightness. They seek to assuage doubts about the marginality of their ideas through such external legitimation.

[Anonymous No.22165405]

>>22155771
He was a philologist at Oxford. Why wouldn't he be able to read Italian?

[Anonymous No.22165494]

>>22165155
In the New Aeon, prophesied by Aleister Crowley during his lifetime throughout his esoteric and occult writings, Thelemites believe that humanity shall leave behind the tyranny of Abrahamic religions and enter a time of greater consciousness and self-actualization.[2]

Greater consciousness and self-actualization. Sounds New Age to me.

[Anonymous No.22165557]

>>22165042
>falling fornanother fake tranny quote

[Anonymous No.22165565]

>>22165557

[Anonymous No.22165576]

>>22162868
>retarded newfag unironically trying to "pwn the nazis" on 4chan
OMG LE BASED AM I FITING IN FELLOW RETARDS

[Anonymous No.22165596]

>>22165565
I'm not defending or attacking Tolkien, I'm just saying the quote is fake and you're a fool to take it seriously. Being controlled by emotional impulses like an animal makes you easy to manipulate.

[Anonymous No.22165608]

>>22165405
>he would have been able to read Italian to some degree, therefor he read an obscure Italian philosopher's lesser known works that not even many fans have read
That's quite the reach even when we play make-believe and pretend the quote is real, which there is no evidence for. More likely it was faked, trannies post fake quotes about Evola all the time, as you must know.

[Anonymous No.22165611]

>>22165596
tolkien is manchild trash

[Anonymous No.22165682]

>>22165611
I agree but European myth and lore which he drew from extensively is based. Most people will probably just seek escapist fantasy in LOTR instead of delving into the actual myth and cultures which it basically copied from.

[Anonymous No.22165766]

>>22159027
>your ideology is schizophrenic diatribe on a computer screen
your ideology is bugchasing buttsex, genital mutilation and billions for israel

[Anonymous No.22165798]

>>22155179
post the work this quote is located in please.

[Anonymous No.22165838]

>>22165798
A quick Google search reveals that it originated here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/22155058&ved=2ahUKEwirmeemhM7_AhVQlIkEHcSiB6cQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw15ZksugmW7rwXYVIUXyWxy
It is something he would have to say though, being a loyal son of the Church and all.

[Anonymous No.22165843]

>>22165838
Sorry, bad link. I meant here:
>>22155058

[Anonymous No.22165851]

>>22165838
Kek

[Anonymous No.22165882]

>>22165682
tolkien was a manchild who was seething that Der Ring des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner was the definitive epic during his lifetime, that's why in his seething jealously decided to imitate his influences (but in a shallower way) so he can feel comfort that his escapist manchild is treated seriously

[Anonymous No.22165957]

>>22165766
you seem incapable of really getting your head around the criticism, which is directly to the form of your life and not the contents of your firmly held beliefs. That's why you countered by appealing to your firmly held beliefs, instead of trying to defend the state of your life. This strongly suggests that your opponent correctly characterized you as an abject failure destined for suicide.

[Anonymous No.22166108]

>>22165957
Holy pseud

[Anonymous No.22166629]

>>22155116
>Hurr. Hurr, I do so declare. That filthy nigger Evola... or should I say Ebola? His works about mysticism and spiritual awakening via Buddhism, do not appeal to me. They are the stuff that only a backwards mind could come up with.
-Tolkien's letter to the Queen of England

[Anonymous No.22166695]

>>22161348
its called christianity. hope that helps you

[Anonymous No.22167866]

>>22155636
Let me guess, you’re a Christian and you like Evola/Guenon?

[Anonymous No.22167882]

Gianfranco de Turris, who published several books on Evola, also edited the Italian editions of several of Tolkien's works. So called "Hobbit camps" were instrumental in the revival of the Italian right during the 70s.

[Anonymous No.22167955]

>Is this not the tragedy of René Guénon who, being gifted with a developed metaphysical sense and yet lacking the Hermetic-philosophical sense, sought, always and everywhere, the concrete spiritual. And finally, tired of the world of abstractions, he hoped to find liberation from intellectualism by plunging himself into the element of fervour of the Moslem masses at prayer in a Cairo mosque. The last hope of a soul thirsty for mystical experience and languishing in the captivity of the intellect? If so, may divine mercy grant him what he sought so much.

[Anonymous No.22167995]

>>22167955
What is the exact tragedy being talked about? It's not clear but I'm curious. Accusing Rene Guenon of seeking the "concrete spiritual" is ironic given that Guenon in his writings dismisses the habits of westerners to try to reduce spiritual teachings to materialist ways of thinking

Is this being opposed to an ostensibly better, "non-concrete" spirituality? And how does the author square that with the contradiction of Guenon at the same time purportedly being focused on "abstraction" which is presumably less then concrete?

Also, why does the author take it upon himself to assume that Rene Guenon was bound by his intellectualism (liberation from intellectualism)? Being an intellectual and having a deep and penetrating understand of things is hardly a prison that one needs to be liberated from.

Is his argument against Guenon that Guenon didn't "make use" of his insight by applying it to the world? Is not that taking a cheap attitude to spirituality that seeks to reduce it to its impacts upon the observable world? Is not the author himself here trying to cheaply reduce the value of the spiritual to the "concrete"?

All in all, a thoroughly lame and unimpressive quote

[Anonymous No.22168041]

>>22167995
"Concrete spiritual" in the sense of "authentic Tradition".

>There is room to remark here that the last orientation of René Guénon, i.e. towards the faith of simpler people adhering to a more simple religion, is not without reason. For the Hermetic-philosophical sense has more in common with the plain and sincere faith of simple people than abstract metaphysics has. For the common believer, God lives; likewise for the Hermeticist. The believer addresses himself to saints and Angels; for the Hermeticist they are real. The believer believes in miracles; the Hermeticist lives in the presence of miracles. The believer prays for the living and the dead; the Hermeticist dedicates all his efforts in the domain of sacred magic to the good of the living and the dead. The believer esteems all that which is traditional; the Hermeticist does likewise. What more is there to say?

[Anonymous No.22168260]

Why are you guys so obsessed with this weird stuff, just read something normal for once

[Anonymous No.22168272]

>>22168260
https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

[Anonymous No.22168990]

>>22168260
Post your tits

[Anonymous No.22169029]

>>22155179
Vauge. I have learned nothing.

[Anonymous No.22169057]

>>22167866
Not him but yes.

[Anonymous No.22170888]

>>22168260
>just read something normal for once
retroactively refuted by Guenon (pbuh)