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All great poets are misogynists. To write a truly affecting poem the creator must penetrate the subject, know it from the inside, and tell what he saw. A poem is essentially a locker-room tale of conquest.

A poem is also voyeuristic - a window into something intimate, private and not meant to be shared.

Therefore every great poet - man or woman - has been a misogynist.

Pic related: the best poet of the last hundred years (and consequently the most misogynist of all time)

>> No.2214540

It's hard to see this beautiful poem as "misogynist".

He loved her and she loved him.
His kisses sucked out her whole past and future or tried to
He had no other appetite
She bit him she gnawed him she sucked
She wanted him complete inside her
Safe and sure forever and ever
Their little cries fluttered into the curtains

Her eyes wanted nothing to get away
Her looks nailed down his hands his wrists his elbows
He gripped her hard so that life
Should not drag her from that moment
He wanted all future to cease
He wanted to topple with his arms round her
Off that moment's brink and into nothing
Or everlasting or whatever there was

Her embrace was an immense press
To print him into her bones
His smiles were the garrets of a fairy palace
Where the real world would never come
Her smiles were spider bites
So he would lie still till she felt hungry
His words were occupying armies
Her laughs were an assassin's attempts
His looks were bullets daggers of revenge
His glances were ghosts in the corner with horrible secrets
His whispers were whips and jackboots
Her kisses were lawyers steadily writing
His caresses were the last hooks of a castaway
Her love-tricks were the grinding of locks
And their deep cries crawled over the floors
Like an animal dragging a great trap
His promises were the surgeon's gag
Her promises took the top off his skull
She would get a brooch made of it
His vows pulled out all her sinews
He showed her how to make a love-knot
Her vows put his eyes in formalin
At the back of her secret drawer
Their screams stuck in the wall

Their heads fell apart into sleep like the two halves
Of a lopped melon, but love is hard to stop

In their entwined sleep they exchanged arms and legs
In their dreams their brains took each other hostage

In the morning they wore each other's face

>> No.2214553

>>2214489
>greatest poet of the past 100 years
but that's not Pat the Bunny

>> No.2214556

>>2214553
Alright, just lick his arse why don't ya.

>> No.2214560

>best poet of the last hundred years (and consequently the most misogynist of all time)
Are you saying the last century was the most misogynist time in all of history?

>> No.2215134

>>2214560
It isn't?

>> No.2215162

>>2215134
It isn't.

>> No.2215163

protip: sylvia plath already tried to kill herself several times before she met hughes

>> No.2215186

What the fuck is ''the thought-fox'' about? I'm pretty sure it alludes to the act of writing poetry as a destructive as well as creative process but I might be very wrong. Anyone?

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2215191

>All great poets are avocado. To write a truly affecting poem the creator must penetrate the subject, know it from the inside, and tell what he saw. A poem is essentially a locker-room tale of conquest.

>A poem is also voyeuristic - a window into something intimate, private and not meant to be shared.

>Therefore every great poet - man or woman - has been an avocado.

>Pic related: the best poet of the last hundred years (and consequently the most avocado of all time)

>> No.2215193

>>2215191
Is this a Mad Libs you did?

>> No.2215194

>implying you have to hate something to destroy it

>> No.2215204

all great female writers make the pen their ass-plundering purple glitter strapon

>> No.2215211

>>2215204
>any kind of female writer
>great
I know you were kidding but lets not be absurd here.

>> No.2215215

/lit/ - where all literature discussion is avocado

>> No.2215226
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2215226

According to God-Emperor Roberto Bolaño, poetry is gay, and the biggest faggots of them all is Paul Verlaine.

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2215232

>>2215226

>> No.2215238

>A poem is also voyeuristic - a window into something intimate, private and not meant to be shared.

>Therefore every great poet - man or woman - has been a misogynist.

you misogyny is to hate women, right?

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2215245

this guy lusted after and fucked pretty much anything that walked

Fuck off OP.

You pontificate about that which you know nothing about.

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2215246

>>2215238
>you misogyny

>> No.2215256

>>2215245
Whitman was a homosexual and definite woman hater. He favored men in all respects.

>> No.2215260

>>2215246

no u misogyny

>> No.2215274

>>2215245
Whitman is a good demonstration of OP's point about the locker-room conquest. Leaves of Grass is filled with sordid details and supposed-private moments made public.

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2215288

This thread blows.
Lousy thesis.
Circular reasoning.
Stupid.

cf Sylvia Plath, Emily Dickinson, Anne Sexton, etc.

good luck OP with your shitty paper

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2215305

>>2215288

I concur.

pic related: OP's paper upon return.

>> No.2215309

srsly, I am a woman and judging from the way I think/act and from observing my fellow inadequates I think I can safely say that we cause the problems, and men are the ones capable of making masterpieces out of these problems. I have forced on myself a personal and rigorous educational regime to try and circumvent thoughts like `i am hungry, this is pretty, oh shit i forgot my jacket at my friends house i am never going to get it back. i want this. want want want, i must remember this so i can parrot this. everyone sucks. no one is better than i` as well as fantasies and delusions pertaining to people I covet; yet NOTHING, NOTHING of what I have learned has penetrated my magnetic field =/

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2215316

A man walks into a Poetry reading. He is a misogyny and it's destroying his locker-room.

>> No.2215321

>>2215288
Sexton and Plath were absolutely misogynists. The entire line of Confessional poets were misogynists, influenced as they were by Lowell.

All the poets you mention come from wealthy North-Eastern United States families. Misogyny is embedded in the culture there.

Sexton poking fun at women:
>I open my pocketbook,
>as women do,
>and fish swim back and forth
>between the dollars and the lipstick.

Plath's entire output was centered on her self-hatred, and the pain she experienced as a woman.

Dickinson was crippled by her deeply ingrained misogynistic understanding of the world, which prevented her from living a life outside of her poetry.

All of these women were fantastic poets, but they hated themselves and their status as females.

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2215331

>>2215321
>Plath's entire output was centered on her self-hatred, and the pain she experienced as a woman.

I think she hated her father who raped her more than she hated herself (and her sadistic husband).

get a crew

>> No.2215346

>>2215331
Pretty sure you need to re-read Ariel and Colossus if you think her father raped her. She was oppressed by his imposing absence in her life, not by any physical thing he did to her.

>> No.2215367

>>2215346
>She was oppressed by his imposing absence in her life
You might not know this, because you are an English major and nonsense comes naturally to you, but that phrase has no meaning whatsoever. You can't be "oppressed" by an "absence" that is "imposing". You cannot string those words together and expect to be taken seriously.

>> No.2215375

>>2215367
Thank God a choice of words can make an argument invalid

>> No.2215394

I'm not sure you can say all poets are misogynists. I do agree that poetry is an art for voyeurs, though. A poem does not have to be a conquest or a rape, however. It can be consensual. The poet can work with the subject so they stroke with the same rhythm, breathe and pulse and throb in harmony.

Poetry, next to dance, is the most sex-charged of all the fine arts. That's a fact.