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Looking for trad titles which critique Islam like Roger’s Scruton’s the west and the rest and “how to be a conservative”. The tradder, the better. Please give me the name of actual books

>> No.22118780

>>22118775
White women seething that white guys are going for qt brown muslima women

>> No.22118815

>>22118775
The twitter user looks like sydney sweeney lmao

>> No.22118822

White bros....

>> No.22118830

>>22118775
Why do white ppl turn to islam instead of becoming trad catholics? Isn't it ironic how they were against muslim refugees a few years ago but now they want to be them?

>> No.22118852

>>22118775
oh no mot the WRONG abrahamism! Save me trad larp!

>> No.22118866

>>22118830
A mixture of 1) novelty and 2) self-loathing. Mainstream American Protestant Christianity is so watered-down and devoid of any respect for the divine that it might as well be a sort of political club that meets once a week; Catholics can claim to have the more beautiful religion and rituals, art, architecture etc., but they're chockfull of hairy old men who can't get up except through unreciprocated pederasty. And who can blame them, honestly? Sexual abstinence is unnatural and ephebes are beautiful. In the American imagination, Christianity is a white religion, despite the fact that it was indeed an exotic import from the Near East in Europe. Ignorant of this fact, they place trust in exotic beliefs by mere virtue of their exoticism, which they equate with wisdom or truth. It's the same reason why young white girls are interested in Buddhism.

>> No.22118876

>>22118775
I think it's more creepy when white liberal women become Muslim and marry Muslim men, and then need to walk around in full burqa when going to their husband's country.
Muslim women can indulge in as much mental gymnastics as they wish, it doesn't change the fact that that shit is straight up misogynist (a word I don't use lightly).

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>>22118876

>> No.22118881

>>22118866
You are right. Makes sense. Is this wave of orientalism stemming from the taliban victory in afghanistan? I saw quite a few people saying they won because they were trad and knew how to put women in their place or whatever

>> No.22118887

>>22118775
Women should wear veils, it was the norm during Christendom too. Won't be reading the replies of pagan coomers.

>> No.22118901

>>22118881
Maybe in part. Just have a look at Goethe and Nietzsche's reverence of Islam. It's hardly a new trend, but, like all trends in the metaphysical realm, it trickles down slowly - very slowly - down to the common folk, at which time it's changed its outer form, from mere reverence to conversion. I hope Europe becomes majority Muslim in the coming century, it'd be better than the soul-dead Allied, pseudo-religious Bolshevism we have now

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>>22118775
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>> No.22118913

>>22118879
Nope.

>> No.22118921

>>22118830
The sentiment that generally underpins a person's interest Traditional Catholicism, when followed to its conclusion, terminates in some manner of sedevacantism and taking communion in a converted office space with 5 other people, or just worshipping alone, or, if not taken to that end, resigning yourself to symbolic grumblings about the current state of the church, vat-2, whatever the pope has announced now, but ultimately giving it your nominal support for perceived lack of alternative.

Speaking for America at least, at this point your average fly by night stripmall nondenom/baptist church is going to be more "trad" or hardline than a catholic church on most social issues.

The difference is, with Islam, you don't have to try nearly as hard, to find "trad" or conservative values, it is basically the mainstream position. In fact they tend to be upfront about this, and more recently are using this as a kind of soft-power selling point on social media, "Christians might secretly think it, but Islam has the balls to come out and say it" is what is increasingly being pushed, and within the confines of the anglosphere at least they are not wrong.

>> No.22118928

>>22118921
Converting for political reasons is dumb, anyway.

>> No.22118941

>>22118921
>Christians might secretly think it, but Islam has the balls to come out and say it
I second this. Islam is perhaps the only openly conservative/traditionalist etc. belief system left in the West that isn't utterly vilified and demonised, partly because oik comes from Muslim countries but also because the liberal cultural consensus foolishly thinks Muslim = brown people = good and virtuous

>> No.22118948

>>22118941
*oil, fuck

>> No.22119009
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>>22118830
Muslims are like tradcaths 500 years, religion is kept alive by the blood spilled and shed by its followers. Same goes for political systems like democracy btw.

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>>22118775
Islam is the definition of trad. What are you on about? Every church has basically abandoned God's Law

>> No.22119015

>>22119009
It seems whites are subhumans who deserve to be replaced by brown chads

>> No.22119108

>>22118830
Christcuckoldry isn't saving the west from trannies and shitskin immigrants so the Whites who are smart enough to understand this turn to something else, some of them though are not smart or esoterically minded enough to seek something better than Pisslam.

>> No.22119119

>>22119108
Interesting how all this happened mere decades after people stopped being Christian.

>> No.22119131

>>22118830
>instead of becoming trad catholics?
Don't wanna have my children molested

>> No.22119160

>>22118775
islam couldn't be more obviously a synthetic religion than if a hadith in the quran told you to drink your Ovaltine

>> No.22119229

>>22119131
>what is bacha bazi?

>> No.22119251

>>22118830
I only speak for the men but I think it’s because Muslim women are more subservient and not prone to commit acts of adultery for fear of punishment. That we can feel secure our wife is not the town bicycle.

>> No.22119256

>>22118901
I would rather not. Something just doesn’t seem right about it

>> No.22119273

>>22119119
You mean after america became the global cultural hegemon

>> No.22119275

>>22119012
Trad means western values.

>> No.22119298

>>22119251
you have never met a Muslim woman if you actually believe that lol

>> No.22119314
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>>22119298
Religious Muslims don’t fraternize with the opposite sex

>> No.22119333

>>22119108
If whites are too incompetent to defend themselves then let the shitty race die out

>> No.22119369

>>22118921
Born and raised Catholic and that first paragraph hits hard. The changes to the church, the liturgy, mass, the overall message and everything else are unpalatable and yet the 'culture' of mass and going to church is comforting. Can't resolve it with my own beliefs and those with which I was raised.

>> No.22119391

>>22118830
>why don’t white ppl turn to papist rapists

>> No.22119410

>>22118775
Can't imagine going on Twitter to make hate speech. I have been there before and my life was crap.

>> No.22119480

>>22118775
Trad larpers hate seeing that there could possibly be a group more traditional and conservative than they are.

>> No.22119507

>>22118830
>How could you ever follow that other Abrahamist religion, only my Abrahamism is based and trad

>> No.22119518

>>22119391
>muslims never rape
if you told me that 4chan chuds would become this back in 2016 i would not have believed you

>> No.22119680

>>22118780
>qt brown muslima women
Fugg

>> No.22120730

>>22118830
>Isn't it ironic how they were against muslim refugees a few years ago but now they want to be them?
It's not surprising at all considering the start of the current NATO world order was the bombing and regime change in Serbia, which is also the only war they don't regret at all
Whitey chose islam over 20 years ago

>> No.22120740

>>22120730
the biggest massacre serbs did in kosovo was against Christian Kosovars

>> No.22120744

>>22118830
I don't find that ironic since it's two different things. You can like honey but that doesn't mean you want bees.

>> No.22120747

>>22118775
I dont mind, i just dont want pakis and arabs here.

>> No.22120749

>>22119012
It's barely been 100 years since the fall of state sanctioned Muslim pederasty by the Ottoman caliphs (who were leaders of the whole Muslim world by the way) and the current trad state of Islam is as much a result of Anglo meddling as anything else, plus there is liberalization ongoing in the Arab states and Iran (though they are resisting)
I don't expect Islam outside of central and southeast Asia will remain this trad for much longer, of course the climate disaster might topple the current world order before the Salafists can get thoroughly pozzed anyways

>> No.22120752

>>22118775
>White guy marrying some mutt arab or paki when he could have had a normal bosnian or albanian.

>> No.22120756

>>22120740
I literally neither know nor care if this is true or not, Kosovars are supermajority Muslim dogs and the intervention was entirely about muh poor muslims

>> No.22120765

>>22120756
>I literally neither know nor care if this is true or not
it was the meja massacre. the vas majoirty were Kosovar Christians
>the intervention was entirely about muh poor muslims
that and serbs for 9 years prior were doing the same in bosnia. croatia and people were sick of the war going on

>> No.22120779

>>22118901
as long as pakis, arabs and nafis leave. the just comit crime and are scum even if they are muslim

>> No.22120782

>>22119369
Why not lose the ideal of tradism? I'm also born and raised Catholic btw. Have you actually read the works of the recent popes? JPII and Benedict in particular. I have so much respect for those guys.

>> No.22120783

>>22118830
Theirs a chick that I work with whole is muslim, doesn't wear a hijab or anything but is very feminine and elegant. Very based on her views. I crush on her hard but won't convert.

>> No.22120788

>>22120783
if shes bosnian or albanian thats fine, but some weird SEA mutt or 300lb arab foid is gross

>> No.22120800

>>22118775
you're a fucking schizo
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=roger+scruton+islam

>> No.22120806

>>22120800
based jewish agitprop shcizo

>> No.22120823

>>22118830
Matthew 24:10

>> No.22120826

>>22118830
catholics are cucked as well

>> No.22120829
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22120829

>>22118815
it's from a film Reality
Sydney plays the titular character

>> No.22120831

>>22120826
people suffer more in their minds than reality, most people on this website need to go outside and touch grass

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>>22118830
I took started RCIA after being Muslim(Albanian) and got baptized this year

>> No.22120837

>>22120836
based.
give us a testimony, anon.

>> No.22120842

>>22120837
Just read about Christ etc, also had some weird dreams and experiences that happened, that I cannot describe as happening in the realm of natural law. Also im in Canada and alot of non-White muslims here would just talk about how they hate White people and would think of White people legit 24/7 similar to how people on /tv/ obsess over trannies. But I heard a video of a latin mass and I realized that Christ was the ultimate truth and salvation for my soul, took a few years of reading etc.

>> No.22120847

>>22120842
>what no tariqa does to a mf

>> No.22120849

The West is the meeting ground between Islam and K-Pop. Over the next century the two will swirl together, fusing into an unstoppable weltanschauung that will sweep across the face of the earth with a force of will hitherto unseen, before taking to the stars themselves and forge the first Solar empire.

>> No.22120850

>>22120842
nice. i also converted after a personal experience.
When i earnestly read the Bible after them, i knew it was truth.

>> No.22120851

>>22120849
>efore taking to the stars themselves and forge the first Solar empire.
more like everyone on earth will be mutts except the very very small jewish/sino/anglo ruling class, and the vast majority will be neopeasants working in VR jobs

>> No.22120853

>>22118928
What else is there for people convert to islam for besides convenience and political opportunities? Every major religion on Earth besides judaism mogs muslims hard in philosophy and the arts.

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>>22120831

>> No.22120859

>>22120842
God bless you anon. I'm starting RCIA this fall and am looking forward to it.

>> No.22120890

>>22118901
Goethe was a persophile, not an islamophile in general. Like I bet his copies of Hafez, Omar Khayyam and Saadi were read a lot more than his copy of the quran or any hadith collections he might have had lol.

And Nietzsche didn't really know a whole lot about islam, he expressed admiration for islam only insofar that he was anti-christian and expressing admiration for islam helped him rhetorically with attacking christianity, this is the exact same turn of rhetoric the enlightenment philosophes he grew up with used. Nobody before the 20th century "loved" islam in a similar sense that the liberals of our times love islam, they loved it when it helped them argue against christians and when they read the then never before translated works of literature like the aforementioned poets and the Thousand and One Nights. Just like when translations of hindu, buddhist and chinese texts first started appearing suddenly everyone in the west became an indiaboo, buddhaboo, chinaboo, etc. because they all perceived the philosophies of the Orient (which they thought of as variations on the one big culture they imagined to exist stretching from Morocco to Japan) being the forerunners of German Idealism and/or enlightenment philosophy. Urs App has fantastic books about this.

>> No.22120905

>>22120842
>alot of non-White muslims here would just talk about how they hate White people and would think of White people legit 24/7
That's funny anon I didn't realize that. It does make sense though. Do you think muslims in Arab countries also do this, does it come from the belief that they are being persecuted and mocked by the currently dominant white nations?

>> No.22120922

>>22120856
That's a profoundly Christian image..

>> No.22120933

>>22120905
>That's funny anon I didn't realize that. It does make sense though. Do you think muslims in Arab countries also do this
Albo-Canuck here, no, not for the most part i have been to turkey, Jordan, Palestine and why they are conservative in their beliefs they can still be socially normal and not have that resentment, unless its too a Government or politicians. But a lot of the ones here have their weird synergy with extreme anti-white leftism and hardcore Islamic policies that have them aligning their views with leftists and other Marxists. I knew a couple that got furious at me when i put my Instagram story of me at a cottage with non-muslim friends and i was playing with a dog, and they said it was disgusting, theyre kufir etc, but they also deal drugs and even have gotten arrested and try to act like american black gang members. I feel its a way to hang onto culture and identity but it always came off as resentful and bitter, legit would bring it up out of nowhere White people this White people that, while being a low tier criminal.

>> No.22120937

>>22120856
What the fuck? Ai has gotten this good?

>> No.22120966

>>22120937
It's real dummy.

>> No.22121151

>>22119275
>Trad means western values
There is nothing trad about liberalism

>> No.22121172

>>22119015
You are Jewish

>> No.22121207

>>22120842
Nah. I’m white and converted from Orthodox to Islam and Muslims never talk that way about white people unless they have been whitewashed themselves by schools and basically talk that way about white people to imitate them. There is sometimes racism but among Muslims who actually pray it’s never directed against whites unless you count Jews as whites.

>> No.22121219

>>22120933
Lmao this is complete nonsense. The drug-dealing gang demographic getting angry about a dog is like a Mexican gang getting angry someone was eating meat during lent. So absolutely ludicrous it literally made me laugh to see you say it. Such ethnic gangs also care completely about race not “kuffar (it’s not “kufir” btw that’s not a word, it’s kaffir for singular, kuffar for plural, or kufr for the noun of unbelief). Literally no Muslim has any problem with playing with dogs, Muslims don’t hate dogs, dogs are featured positively in the Quran. A very strong hadith said a woman who gave a thirsty dog water was forgiven for being a prostitute. Muslims are just not allowed to keep them in doors because it is considered unclean

>> No.22121227
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>>22119119
>Interesting how all this happened mere decades after people stopped being Christian
Interesting how you christcucks cannot stop lying. People never stopped being christcucks, only a minority did all throughout history. In fact the states and rulers are more christian now then they were before the fifties. See how god was put in the national motto or un currency in the United States. Or the crucifixes and icons put in public buildings in the "secular" west. Christianity is still dominant today and one of the main reasons wokeness is so dominant. Christianity played an essential part in the fight against the axis in ww2 and still does today for the woke movement.
Our ruling elites are as much christians as are jewish, for example Klaus schwab married in the reformed church meaning he is a christcuck. You can dishonestly claim that they are not real christians but your lies won't change the truth.
Also remember christianity is responsible for communism as much as the Jews. See the league of the just and the various christian movements with communist tenets.

>> No.22121228

>>22118830
>Why do white ppl turn to islam instead of becoming trad catholics
Virtually no one does. OP's pic is a rarity

>> No.22121230

>>22121228
Islam has the positive net conversion rate Christianity has a major negative net conversion rate

>> No.22121233
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>>22121227
Christcucks are the cause of wokeness as much as their jewish masters.

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>> No.22121279 [DELETED] 

Lotta paki hate itt. I was born here and I'm not a subversive or an ethnonarcissist. Wtf more do you want me to do?

>> No.22121286

>>22118775
You can live a calm life with your 4 wives, hate fags and other degenerates, save the dignity of your wife, all the while everyone has to accept your shit

>> No.22121288

>>22120890
Nietzsche genuinely loved that Islam’s ideal man was a conqueror instead of a victim and genuinely loved Islam’s views on the sexes. He didn’t say the culture of Islamic Andalusia is better even than the Greeks and Romans as simple rhetoric

>> No.22121316

>>22118775
It's distributing to her because it hits too close to home. Why would she care about what brown people do to each other? But seeing a White man converting to Islam allows her to imagine herself subjugated by an Islamic society.

>> No.22121317

>>22121288
He couldn't have really known because the fields of islamic studies were just starting around the time of his death. What little people knew about islamic andalusia came from Washington Irving, orientalist paintings, and anti-catholic protestant propaganda. In other words, it was just a blank screen on which people projected whatever they believed about it. I guess he could have read Reinhart Dozy's history of islamic spain but that one was written in a very romanticized spirit with not a whole lot in the way of source criticism.

>> No.22121328

>>22121286
For some reason every anon seems to think they would be the guy with the four wives rather than the overwhelming majority of the male population who are incels or monogamous men sent off into meat grinder wars for chad's sake. Most of you have major problems getting pussy even in societies where chad is legally bound to marry only one woman, what makes you think that you'd have it better where he could have four?

>> No.22121331

>>22121317
The Quran was available in translation since the 1700’s—Schopenhauer hated it, and Islam in general, and it would make sense Nietzsche would see it the opposite way since he literally inverted Schopenhauer’s values, turning his principle of “life-denial” into something negative. In depth study of the religion was not available yet but journals on history, travel and Islamic culture certainly were.

>> No.22121336

>>22121286
>calm life
>4 wives
t. "I have never seen a vagina"

>> No.22121344

>>22121328
Marriage in Islam is mostly arranged. Even dating, it halal, is supervised by her father and generally it is by getting to know him and getting his favor that you arrange to meet his daughter. So it is a much different dynamic. As a convert I personally find it intimidating: on the one hand, fathers do not care at all about a lot of superficial stuff or if you have autism but they do tend to care about your religiosity if they are religious and especially care if you have your shit together since courtship is generally only a month or two before marriage. You really want to develop a good relationship with the father. If she just likes you but he doesn’t, you’re done, I have been through it. She wanted to marry me a lot but her father disliked me and ended it. I am going for another now, she is young and brilliant but I am trying to be extremely careful how I go about it not to given her dad the ick as it were

>> No.22121350

>>22121336
Yeah life with 4 westernized women would be unbearable, but luckily a devout wife would not cause harm to her husband, mental or physical

>> No.22121355
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22121355

>>22121350
>he thinks those exist

>> No.22121394

>>22121350
Retard has never met a devout Muslim woman

>> No.22121398

>>22118830
Because Catholics are just as globohomo and they don't know about Orthodoxy.

>> No.22121407

>>22121398
Any tradcath just needs to go to an average Divine Liturgy to feel that sense of tradition. Orthodox Christianity is mainstream in its tradness just like Islam is (the ecumenism fags also exist in Islam and are just as criticized and backed by the same antichrist) There are problems prior to Vatican 2 and even Vatican 1 that would lead to where it is today. In Orthodoxy you don't need to larp by rejecting the core institution (like your monarch) to be proper Orthodox, the most you can do is use a different calendar!
Also from an objective standpoint Islam isn't true, it's post-christian fanfiction of a pedophile warlord. The biblical third gospel of the Antichrist people!

>> No.22121416

>>22121407
Wouldn’t Moses be a pedophile warlord by Christians logic?

>> No.22121432

>>22118901
>look at Goethe and Nietzsche
not just them Himmler , Hitler , and Evola two and planty of other mainly Germanic late 19th and early 20th century thinkers really liked and admired islam
"Entering Himmler’s bedroom, Kersten noticed: “He was still in bed and in great pain. The Koran lay on his bedside table.”"
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>> No.22121581

>>22121416
No? And anyway it's confirmed Muhammad's wife was prepubescent when he first had sex with her (even though it was years after being married, he had sex slaves and such)

>> No.22121592

>>22118780
Ladie is an imperialist zogbot, shell get her revenge when they bomb that family back to the stone age

>> No.22121595

>>22121350
Middle eastern cultural is very matriarchal like most poor nations, no it's not the same thing as feminism

>> No.22121598

>>22121581
No? But he went to war and told men to take girl children for sex according to the Bible

>> No.22121602

>>22121207
There's literally thousands of videos of them preaching about bringing death to white nations and white Christians, you're obviously an arab

>> No.22121603

>>22121230
Its not whites converting, at least in America the vast majority of Christians who convert to Islam are blacks

>> No.22121604

>>22121602
No, I’m a white convert. There are no such videos. The belligerent videos you talk about are very aggressive against Christians but not whites

>> No.22121607

>>22121603
Islam in America has a larger proportion of black converts but there are plenty of white and Mexican converts as well

>> No.22121612

>>22118921
Not really, those churches with trans flags and trans pastors and all that woke foolishness all seem to come from the protestants, I've never seen a catholic church like that, they are much more legalistic rather than "feel good"

>> No.22121616

>>22121604
Everyone knows "Christians" mean whites just as there are muslims of different races but generally when speaking about "muslims" everyone knows its middle easterners

>> No.22121617

>>22119229
>What is the Afghan traditional practice of fucking boys that Islam stopped while the US actively protected the people who did it?

>> No.22121622

>>22120730
BLM-tier delusions
>chimpout 4 times in the span of a decade
>can't stop committing killing not only muslims but also catholics civilians infront of TV crews
>get off scot-free the first 2 times
>get a slap on the wrist the third time
>initiate serboid chimpout once again
>get bombed into canceling the chimpout
>Serby dindu nuffin
>is da NATO/Germany/Vatican fault
>we wuz kebab removers n shiet

>> No.22121623

>>22121607
I've lived in America my whole life and never seen white or mexican muslims, meanwhile it's a well known phenomenon that blacks who go "woke" or go to prison always convert to islam, it's become a stereotype

>> No.22121630

>>22121616
No, that is where you are quite wrong. While Muslims to westerners is a race and so is Christian, to Muslims, especially militant Muslims, these are extremely theologically defined since religious conflicts are often between people of the same race but different religions. Whereas your perception is strictly defined by immigration rather than actual and real religions wars. Christians and Muslims in African and the Middle East are the same race. There are also plenty of white Muslims, Chechens are renowned for contributing disproportionately to their race when it comes to foreign fighters

>>22121623
Woke blacks have NoI. The vast majority of blacks who go to prison do not convert. Some do.

If you went to multiple mosques you’d definitely find Mexican and white converts eventually. Heck, the Zapatistas have lately turned to Islam

>> No.22121631

>>22118941
No, it isn’t. This is silly orientalism, Islam keeps revising things and reinterprets things all the time.

Consider their stance on polygamy and child marriage and slavery. Virtually every Muslim country flip flops on these issues, and even. Also every Muslim country has a professional westernized upper class.

The only reason people don’t see the same degeneracy emerging from Muslim countries is because none of them have a free market or a democracy.

Those two are the usual vectors for homogenizing and platonifying unusually complex ideas into digestible left and right sound bites.

>> No.22121637

>>22121631
Muslim countries established by colonialism are ruled by the collaborator class and so often had retarded laws but the actual scholars are consistent here

>> No.22121644

>>22121612
I am guessing that you are not Catholic or all that familiar with the Catholic church beyond memes, because your post isn't so much wrong as it is irrelevant for misunderstanding the conversation being had.

>> No.22121648

>>22121637
Which scholars would those be?

I was reading the Supreme Court of Pakistan’s ruling on interest rates and usury.
The very first passage on it was, we will be honest, no one knows what these words actually mean — instead here is our best guess.

That’s consistency?

What about how Sunnis cannot remarry the same woman, but Shias believe in legalized prostitution?

That’s consistency?

>> No.22121665

>>22121648
The Islamic court of Pakistani is the Shariat Court, the Supreme Court handles legislated laws. The Shariat Court is a court appealed to if those laws are considered haram. For example Pakistan recently recognized trans and allowed sex to be changed on ID. The Shariat Court was appealed to not long ago and they struck down the law as haram

Sunnis can remarry the same woman up to three times. The reason for the cap is some men have a short temper and divorce their wife every time they get mad then take them back again when they cool down. For a housewife this a huge ordeal. Hence the limit to make men take more care

Yes Shia have temporary marriage contracts which Sunnis prohibit. Such contracts unlike a Sunni marriage do not need the woman’s permission from her guardian. She is simply paid a certain fee and marries for an hour or so depending

>> No.22121674

>>22121630
To relilterate I didnt mean woke as in repeating BLM slogans and the screeching on tiktok/twitter. I meant it in a deeper afrocentric way, they stop trusting the mainstream media and government and turn to islam, theres a long history of the black Panthers and other black power groups converting to islam. Its also very common for a lot of blacks not to eat pork, its seen as evil. It's been the fastest growing religion among black americans for years. I guess youd really have to know black american culture to really understand.

>> No.22121677

>>22121644
It's very relevant since you were the one praising non denom protestant mega churches as "being trad" when nothing could further from the truth

>> No.22121682

>>22121674
No I do understand. It started with the Nation of Islam and became more Sunni after Malcolm X became Sunni. The reason though many blacks don’t eat pork is because 20% of slaves imported to America were Muslim: while their religion dissipated over generations that taboo still remained among some

>> No.22121730

>>22121598
Dude in the recount of Aisha's 'consummation' she was playing with dolls, dolls are only permitted until the girl has had her first blood.

>> No.22121820

>>22121219
go to toronto and talk to somalis and pakistanis there my friend
>>22121207
lol

>> No.22121821

>>22121227
if you read those articles theyre much different from what the title is saying.

>> No.22121830

>>22121233
whats wrong with the top left?

>> No.22121841

>>22121820
I lived in a Somalian neighborhood for a year and most of the Muslims I know are Pakistani

>> No.22122249

>>22118775
I'm not a Muslim myself ( I am Chtistian), but yeah, he isn't dressing her to please adult men...dont see a problem with that particular thing.

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>>22118775

>> No.22122372

>>22118830
>Why do white ppl turn to islam
They don't, western converts to islam are a tiny group that get disproportionate attention because of how strange they are. You won't see a single article about a nominally Christian person attending church more often.

>> No.22122416

>>22122372
Christianity purely in terms of conversion is DRAMATICALLY in the red, they make up for it by birthrate. Islam by contrast is in the black in concert rate and also has a much higher birthrate

>> No.22122468

>>22122416
sub Sharan african Christians are booming IIRC

>> No.22122476

>>22122468
On a global level however Christianity is heavily in the red looking purely at numbers of people converting into vs converting out. Christianity’s growth is purely due to reproduction which makes up for this hemorrhaging

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>>22118775
>caring about both

lmao, goycucks will seethe

>> No.22122499

>>22122477
Didn’t several Israelis recently get ko’d?

>> No.22122502

>>22118830
The Pope said Jesus was a Communist. I'm not joking. Look it up.

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>>22122499
1 border guard, but arabs cheer for that like they won a war, and than abunch of arabs got killed later, mudslimes, christcuks, wignats seething

>> No.22122509

>>22122502
communism is based thou

>> No.22122518

>>22122509
It's the opposite of based. It's dysfunctional and retarded. It collapses under the weight of its contractions. Fascism is based, communism is for faggots.

>> No.22122519

>>22121682
>>22121682
Yes and its deeper than that still. Its viewed as "the white man's food" and a tool of white supremacy because slaves were forced fed it even tho it was taboo for them and they see it responsible for the health problems in their community and those problems intentionally given to them by whites. Forgot who it was but someone from black power groups once said "When you eat pork you are digesting white supremacy"

>> No.22122527

>>22122519
>Yes and its deeper than that still. Its viewed as "the white man's food"
dont know where you are but tons of blacks eat pork chops, back, collard greens, chitlins
>Forgot who it was but someone from black power groups once said "When you eat pork you are digesting white supremacy
sounds like something someone on /pol/ would make up

>> No.22122529

>>22122518
both are based

>> No.22122551

>>22121355
>>22121394
>>22121595
Recite 1 quran surah kuffar, what do you know of middle east and islam?

>> No.22122556

>>22122551
t.iqbal from london. you need to touch grass, its 4chan

>> No.22122584

>>22122556
> iqbal from london
The kuffar copes that the zulfiqar will reach his 100 000 000 pounds a second apartment in Chelsea.
https://youtu.be/Z8SK_IzAS4U

>> No.22122591

>>22122584
>The kuffar copes that the zulfiqar will reach his 100 000 000 pounds a second apartment in Chelsea.
what

>> No.22122608

>>22122527
We aren't talking about mainstream blacks, we're talking about black power militant blacks.
https://www.bonappetit.com/story/eating-pork-while-black

>> No.22122622

>>22122608
so just like the chuds with raw milk but a different colour

>> No.22122716

>>22118830
>Isn't it ironic how they were against muslim refugees a few years ago but now they want to be them?
Anon if these whites were against muslims the muslims wouldn't be in the country to begin with. The ones who convert are the same who wanted to turn the common eabd to a offendi.

>> No.22122757

>>22122716
>against muslims the muslims wouldn't be in the country to begin with
the vast majoirty of people are, the government just hates the native people and does everything to undermine the people and bring in not only muslims but others to cause ethnic conflict, wage stagnation, and voting block. even in bosnia and albanias i know were talking about how bad the refugees were

>> No.22122812

>>22122416
I don't believe you have any actual numbers to back up your claim that westerners are converting to Islam at any rates actually worth discussing.

>> No.22123004

>>22122757
>the vast majoirty of people are, the government just hates the native people
No matter how tyrannical a shadow government it still relies on a false democracy by convincing people that this is the way the tribe should behave. The majority loves muslims because they have no personal experience otherwise concrete enough to conflict with that. It is the reason why they can't do just about anything in the open, just close to everything.

>> No.22123018

>>22123004
>it still relies on a false democracy by convincing people that this is the way the tribe should behave
they dont even care about people they just do their own thing
>The majority loves muslims because they have no personal experience otherwise concrete enough to conflict with that
no like i said most dont, especially nafris and afgans, pakis some turks and bosnians are normal but the vast majority do not, you get thrown in prison for saying anything bad

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It’s so hard to understate the extent to which Americans concerned about liberal notions of progress have been correct, the numbers are already: Nothing has worked and everyone is more miserable then ever. Race relations are worse, diversity is sham, The loss and meaning of relationships/marriage in a post patriarchal world is shows the consequences of this devastation.

Even posts like this, that attempting to refute or mock them, wind up vindicating the Right. This post basically says that conservatives were right then, so they are correct now given todays circumstances. The Right is not attacked for being wrong, it is attacked for being correct. So if progressives feel that homosexuals having the right to marry, Pride leaders, and state enforced homosexuality benefits them, then they better fight tooth and nail for heterosexuality, or else all those “Religious nuts” from those bygone days were correct.

If anyone is too get fat in this miserable country, they need to buckle down and find the will for them and their decedents to survive.

The “Late Soviet" energy is strong lately. The loud speaker is turned up to 11 and the propaganda to 12 and it feels like most people have stopped taking it seriously, including people who pretend to believe in it.

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It’s so hard to understate the extent to which Americans concerned about liberal notions of progress have been correct, the numbers are already in: Nothing has worked and everyone is more miserable then ever. Race relations are worse, diversity is sham, The loss and meaning of relationships/marriage in a post patriarchal world is shows the consequences of its devastation. But yet the great mystery of our time, really is a (very large) group of people who somehow never change their allegiance to the status quo power arrangement, no matter what happens.

For posts like this, that attempting to refute or mock conservatives, wind up vindicating the Right. This post basically says that conservatives were right then, so they are correct now given todays circumstances. The Right is not attacked for being wrong, it is attacked for being correct. So if progressives feel that they benefit from homosexuals having the right to marry, and state enforced homosexuality benefits them, then they better fight tooth and nail for heterosexuality, or else all those “Religious nuts” from those bygone days were correct.

I can sense the fatigue, if anyone is to get far in this miserable country they need to buckle down and find the will for them and their decedents to survive. For most people on the Right, this would be Religion; Islam actual gets the best of both worlds: better political treatment for being non-white, and having their religion being respected.

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>>22123078
if youre in the west you literally live in the most affluent, comfiest time that has ever happened. the quality of life is so much better than 100 years ago. guys are just terminally online so they have to see the worst. chuds like to complain so much

>> No.22123122

>>22123078
Transgenders are the ultimate gift to the right, I swear the hand of providence must be at work in the transgender phenomenon. Male autism is an ambivalent source of power, male autists can be leaders and theorists or weird little fixers and hackers, but they can also produce endless drama and do weird degenerate shit and ruin an entire movement. Anyone neurotic enough to be leftist or rightist is likely to be an autistic male, and the ambivalence of this autism would normally fall evenly on both left and right, each getting their fair share of neurotic degenerates and genius savants (and all shades between the two extremes).

But the transgender phenomenon acts as a kind of automatic sorter that funnels the majority of degeneracy-inclined, neurosis and drama-inclined autists to the left, while also terrifying the remaining degeneracy- and drama-inclined neurotics on the right and acting as a cautionary tale of "do we really want to introduce troon type drama like the left is constantly underdoing?"

Meanwhile because troons are just autistic crazed men, they have the typical male autistic inability to feel shame or to regulate their emotions, and the left's individualist and hedonist ideologies give them the free rein that every Chrischan wants (but should never get, for his own good) to act like a total lunatic. So they naturally gravitate to the top of every leftist group through sheer male aggression and sheer autistic lack of shame and self-awareness, and all the others, women and metrosexual go-along jimmy males, just passively let it happen because they are ideologically blinkered into "supporting" what is really an invasive species of insane autistic men with impossible to satisfy emotional needs and narcissistic and borderline personality disorders.

Over time the left's image has been turned into one giant flailing troon, leading a procession of confused demoralized women who have to constantly affirm that women don't exist and are slaves to dick even within womanhood, and heckin' chungus bipoly men who don't care either way and are likely to troon out themselves at some point. Imagine trying to be a communist in 2025 and every communist venue you go to online or offline has screaming troons telling you that to get your official communist sash you have to swear an oath to defend drag queens.

Whatever higher being set this chain of events in motion is really an artist.

>> No.22123169

>>22123103
Quality of life has dropped actualitBut it’s an uncomfortable thing in the US where we like to pretend everyone is equal and anyone can do anything, so we use money as a proxy because that’s something people of any class can pursue.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/02/the-cost-of-thriving/

Starting with the problems in the modern West: high crime, social collapse, suicide, economic crisis, family disillusion, despair. Everyone can see this in the data and in their lives.

So what’s causing these problems?

The obvious answer is that these problems are a consequence of modernity that is radically exacerbated by political and cultural actions were taken by centrist technocrats and progressive ideological elites.

>> No.22123173

>>22123169
>Starting with the problems in the modern West: high crime,
Some of the lowest crime in the world actually
> social collapse, suicide, economic crisis, family disillusion, despair. Everyone can see this in the data and in their lives.
Lmao

> The obvious answer is that these problems are a consequence of modernity that is radically exacerbated by political and cultural actions were taken by centrist technocrats and progressive ideological elites.
Go outsid, I bet you think global warming is real too. Chuds are online too much

>> No.22123278

>>22121227
>>22121233

Imagine mixing Christianity with masonry.

>> No.22123293

>>22121344
Just marry your cousin like your parents did

>> No.22123304

>>22123173
Global warming is definitely real, the lie is that its caused by individual people and you can solve it by recycling, no longer driving and going vegan. Reality is that is mainly caused by corporations

>> No.22123314

>>22123103
No way life was so much better in raw 60s-90s boomers had it all

>> No.22123329

>>22123304
>Global warming is definitely real,
lmao the absolute state of this board

>>22123314
only good thing boomers had was the housing and music

>> No.22123331

>>22123329
I would kill to be a boomer or even gen x

>> No.22123457

>>22123331
Definitely life was good for us gen x but we also have no cultural achievements or meaningful identity. We have the apex of Saturday morning cartoons and music television and that’s about it

>> No.22123463

>>22123457
Or sorry I guess I meant millennial, not gen X. I am happy I am not gen X though

>> No.22123755

>>22123169
>The obvious answer is that these problems are a consequence of modernity that is radically exacerbated by political and cultural actions were taken by centrist technocrats and progressive ideological elites.
Even if that is true, we cannot ignore the fact the much of the exacerbation was done by the kinds of people trying reverse the flow of history. Almost all social tension that actually results in harm comes from these people too.

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>>22118921
That first paragraph may be be the most accurate thing I have read on this website, I tried so hard to be a tradcath without being too larpy about it but it is just impossible. All the clergypeople I have met were very nice and pleasant but they did not feel like peoeple fit for a crisis, they were more like a family friend.

And once you find the Dimond bros it is just a question of time before you do something drastic cause even tho you may deny it you know they are right. I have a hardcore cath friend who still goes to church even after watching their videos but he does not care for the theology at all he just wants to go to heaven and does not care about anything else so it barely matters for him

>> No.22126366

>>22123122
Excellent post, anon. Worthy of a screenshot I dare say.

>> No.22127036

>>22119015
>poomen
>chads
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go do the needful and kys faggot

>> No.22127069

>>22118830
Men often convert for women. Catholics and Orthos tell lonely guys they were born to be celibate monks/priests even if they pretty obviously are not meant for that life. Mormons, Moonies and Muslims will get these guys a wife (or at least will convince them they will).

>> No.22127129

>>22121612
>I've never seen a catholic church like that
Jesuits and Franciscans are as progressive as any Anglican church. Every single order where the nuns do not wear habits is as well.
Their bishop may not allow them to personally fly pride flags but they absolutely would if they could.
Granted, the Orthodox are not much better. Their Archbishop to the Americas goes to gay weddings and refuses to explicitly condemn abortion.

>> No.22127440

>>22118830
There are a few basket cases in every civilization. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the Middle East

>> No.22127501

>>22118921
>The sentiment that generally underpins a person's interest Traditional Catholicism, when followed to its conclusion, terminates in some manner of sedevacantism
What is the FSSP?

>> No.22127529

>>22127440
That is due to Iran where the Twelver sect is currently in a nosedive. Christianity is exploding there. Twelvers allow trannies and prostitution and it has gotten so out of control that they rate the country with the second highest sex change in the world and an STD rate which far surpasses any other country in the Middle East. The Iranian government is very strict against Sunni proselytizing due to political issues (Iranian Sunnism is officially referred to as Wahhabism in government statements regardless of affiliation) but are less worried about Christianity

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>>22127529

>> No.22127709

>>22127501
The TLM priestly fraternities are not in a very good position, they are at the mercy of the local bishop. If the Vatican moves the bishops around and they end up under a liberal like Cupich, they get coerced into leaving.
The monastic orders that use it are better off, since a new bishop can't really do much about them once they're already there. But the TLM only monastic groups are pretty small. Groups that were not founded around the TLM but want to use the TLM at their monastery can end up having it revoked if a handful of people within the order complain, a conservative Franciscan group got demolished by the Vatican over it.

>> No.22127921

>>22122477
I wanna convert, my souls is Israeli I will make aliyah and serve in the IDF.

>> No.22128012

>1 person posted a book rec and it's a joke rec

>> No.22128027

>>22124876
Dimond bros? Could you explain further?

>> No.22128035

>>22127529
>Christianity is exploding there.
Any sources on that please?

>> No.22128318

>>22128035
According to scholar Ladan Boroumand "Iran today is witnessing the highest rate of Christianization in the world",[54] and according to scholar Shay Khatiri of Johns Hopkins University “Islam is the fastest shrinking religion in there [Iran], while Christianity is growing the fastest”,[55] and in 2018 "up to half a million Iranians are Christian converts from Muslim families, and most of these Christians are evangelicals",[56] and he adds "recent estimates claim that the number might have climbed up to somewhere between 1 million and 3 million".[57]

In May 2019 Iran's Intelligence Minister Mahmoud Alavi expressed concern over Iranian Muslims converting to Christianity and said the Intelligence Ministry have dispatched agents active in "countering the advocates of Christianity" to areas where there is a potential for people to convert.[58]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#:~:text=According%20to%20scholar%20Ladan%20Boroumand,up%20to%20half%20a%20million

>> No.22128388

>>22118830
I think its the attraction of a simple doctrine. Like how libertarianism was a thing.

>> No.22128395

My only understanding of Catholicism is from reading Chesterton. Have I been mislead?

>> No.22128405

>>22128027
vaticancatholic.com, they make videos exposing francis and some other clowns. They are not right on every single issue but watching their videos it is impossible to feel they aren't right overall. But then what they suggest you do in turn is what the post I was replying to described, either worship in a room with 5 other hardcore Dimon fans or just alone.

So if you are interested in traditional catholicism, once you find them, you will either start hardcore fanboying them, hardcore arguing against them, kind of become despondent about it all and lose your interest or you convert to some other religion/ideology. Many such cases. There are enclaves in the US and France where for some reason there is a fairly large number of Dimond-like parishioners where you can lead a fairly normal traditional catholic life but generally it's how I described it.

>> No.22128441

>>22118866
Had me till the end. The thing with religion is it can be wrong, whoever once you realize that the divine is wholly apart of you, the validity of Hindu and Buddhist philosophy and teachings becomes apparent. The true issue is that foreigners peeking into those and other asian religions fall very, very short on their over all understanding of what the religions main philosophy is since it is so far removed from Christianity and Judaism. I unfortunately don’t have much to say about Islam as i’m not well educated on it, I will however admit I always saw it as a prison religion in the United States, i.e. something you’re tricked/forced into believing, not one you come to conclusion to. Perhaps in that regard it truly is comparable Christianity and Judaism.

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>>22123122
>an invasive species of insane autistic men
the nomad war machine arrives to capture the state... it's beautiful

>> No.22128467

>>22119108
>>22121227
>christcuck this, christcuck that
Holy shit, shut the fuck up. You cannot have this poor vocabulary, I mean come on. You’re like a never ending buzzsaw of buzzwords blasting cacophonous noise except your blade is dull and your operator has down’s.
>inb4 christcuck
I’m Hindu
>inb4 poo
I’m Anglo

>> No.22128488

>>22123122
Amazing writeup. Some positivity for once.

>> No.22128493 [DELETED] 

>>>/vg/432702091
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1282
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>Downloads:
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>Character Cards [Database], now with a list of every NonOC in the megas:
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Try the dgVoodoo option in the new win10fix settings.
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>> No.22128672

>>22120842
bro you are Jon Zherka

>> No.22129784

>>22121648
>What about how Sunnis cannot remarry the same woman, but Shias believe in legalized prostitution?

Huuh? Are you a retard? Sunni's think Shia are wrong and Shia think Sunni's are wrong. You'll either fall into one of these groups, you can not be both. So it's perfectly consistent.

>> No.22131161

>>22118830
Satan and his minions.

>> No.22131176

>>22121407
Very true but tradcaths seem to be more political reactionaries than mystically inclined like the Orthodox are. Roman Catholicism is a political ideology after all, the whole reason for the schism in the first place.

>> No.22131308

>>22131176
Trad converts to Orthodox are not mystical, they are extremely political and prefer Orthodox because they see it as more politically tenable than Catholicism. You will find ten who emulate Trump for every one who emulates John Climacus, and that at most