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Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:42:34 2023 No.22114857 [Reply] [Original]

>ASOIAF is supposed to be the dark n gritty realistic take on soft fantasy like LotR
>LotR is actually darker far more morose and more in tune with the dark myths of the past
>ASOIAF is pretty much genreshit with gore n tits
Why is the reception of both different from the actual reality? At least Elric balances edge ad gore and sex with depth and innovation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:14:38 2023 No.22115129 >>22114857 As someone's already said, ASOIAF is read by people who haven't read the things it stole everything else from, so it's hailed as some sort of amazing thing when in fact it isn't. It was also helped by its gore n tits show.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:31:46 2023 No.22115182 File: 481 KB, 244x180, george-game-of-thrones.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >low test limp dick tolkienfags STILL mad GoT mopped the floor with their incelcore Wagner rip-off YEARS after the show ended lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:37:20 2023 No.22115203 >>22115182 LOTR is way more popular than GoT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:39:33 2023 No.22115209 >>22115182 Terrible tranny b8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:44:55 2023 No.22115238 >>22115203 I too enjoy pretending it's 2005 yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:54:30 2023 No.22115286 File: 41 KB, 739x415, HotD vs RoP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115182 They can't let it go because House of the Dragon also mogged the shit out of Rings of Power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:56:00 2023 No.22115291 >>22115286 That has nothing to do with Tolkien. He wasn’t involved the same game Grrm was involved. Both are american nigger shit, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:02:21 2023 No.22115314 >>22115291 That's cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:06:13 2023 No.22115326 File: 57 KB, 412x567, 1629922648736.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115286 >>22115291 Tolkien would honestly be proud

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:07:11 2023 No.22115332 >>22115314 Just how it is. Grrrm himself was involved wirh HotD and it’s based on an actual book of his. Rangz of Powah is “based” on vague appendixes. If you think these are the same, you’re a retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:10:07 2023 No.22115344 >>22115332 Nah, it's cope. If it was a good show you wouldn't give a shit that it wasn't written by the author. LOTR is just obsolete, and ASoIaF buried it.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:10:50 2023 No.22115349

>Tolkien
>dark
>morose
LOL
>Writers like Tolkien take you to the edge of the Abyss and point out the excellent tea-garden at the bottom, showing you the steps carved into the cliff and reminding you to be a bit careful because the hand-rails are a trifle shaky as you go down; they haven’t got the approval yet to put a new one in.
>The great epics dignified death, but they did not ignore it, and it is one of the reasons why they are superior to the artificial romances, of which Lord of the Rings is merely one of the most recent.
>The sort of prose most often identified with “high” fantasy is the prose of the nursery-room. It is a lullaby; it is meant to soothe and console. It is mouth-music. It is frequently enjoyed not for its tensions but for its lack of tensions. It coddles; it makes friends with you; it tells you comforting lies. It is soft
>Moderation was the rule and it is moderation which ruins Tolkien’s fantasy and causes it to fail as a genuine romance. The little hills and woods of that Surrey of the mind, the Shire, are “safe”, but the wild landscapes everywhere beyond the Shire are “dangerous”. Experience of life itself is dangerous. The Lord of the Rings is a pernicious con- firmation of the values of a morally bankrupt middle class. Their cowardly, Home Counties habits are primarily responsible for the problems England now faces. The Lord of the Rings is much more deep-rooted in its infantilism than a good many of the more obviously juvenile books it influenced. It is Winnie-the-Pooh posing as an epic. If the Shire is a suburban garden, Sauron and his henchmen are that old bourgeois bugaboo, the Mob — mindless football supporters throwing their beer-bottles over the fence — the worst aspects of modern urban society represented as the whole by a fearful, backward-yearning class for whom “good taste” is synonymous with “re- straint” (pastel colours, murmured protest) and “civilized” behaviour means “conventional be- haviour in all circumstances”. This is not to deny that courageous characters are found in The Lord of the Rings, or a willingness to fight Evil — but somehow those courageous characters take on the aspect of retired colonels at last driven to write a letter to The Times and we are not sure — because Tolkien cannot really bring himself to get close to his proles and their satanic leaders — if Sauron and Co. are quite as evil as we’re told. After all, anyone who hates hobbits can’t be all bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:12:40 2023 No.22115358 File: 1.79 MB, 1920x800, lotr.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22114857

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:13:30 2023 No.22115360 >>22115344 Cope for what? It’s not even an actual Tolkien adaption. As long as it had niggers in it, it wouldn’t have been a good show.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:14:18 2023 No.22115365 >>22115326 It's cosmic justice that one of his grandchildren ended up being Jewish and his artistic legacy raped by such gifted people.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:14:42 2023 No.22115367

>ASOIAF is supposed to be the dark n gritty realistic take on soft fantasy like LotR
>LotR is actually darker far more morose and more in tune with the dark myths of the past
I do not believe you have read either of these works.
If anything, LotR takes place in an inherently loving universe. Whilst there are dark entities, they are considered a perversion of the natural order -- and that natural order is quite literally a harmonious song. I don't even know how you could interpret that as dark. Orcs don't even really 'exist', they're just fucked up versions of natural life.
I don't even particularly like Tolkien and even I know that much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:15:42 2023 No.22115372 >>22115360 >It’s not even an actual Tolkien adaption This is the absolute state of LOTR in 2023.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:16:13 2023 No.22115374 >>22115367 > Orcs don't even really 'exist ? Orc is just an in-universe name for goblin. They exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:17:38 2023 No.22115377 >>22115372 What book is it adapting? Not a single Tolkien book mentions hobbit negroes, only dishonest retards would claim that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:18:40 2023 No.22115381 >>22115365 Whats the name of the Jew?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:19:06 2023 No.22115386 >>22115286 I just hope they never touch Silmarillion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:20:48 2023 No.22115389 >>22115377 I'm not denying it isn't a book adaptation, ESLbro. >>22115381 Nicholas Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:22:02 2023 No.22115392 >>22115374 They are not a naturally occurring race or species, they're a corruption. >they're just fucked up versions of natural life. You know, like I wrote here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:23:18 2023 No.22115398 >>22115386 Haven't they started working on it already?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:23:22 2023 No.22115399 >>22115392 They exist. Corrupted or otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:24:19 2023 No.22115405 >>22115358 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:26:52 2023 No.22115418 >>22115389 > I'm not denying it isn't a book adaptation, ESLbro So it’s fan fiction, then.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:29:32 2023 No.22115429

>>22115399
Meth addicts exist.
The concept of meth addicts as a race or species does not exist.
I've gone back and checked what I wrote and it is still very clear what I meant. You're being pedantic at best, retarded at worst, and contributing nothing to the thread itself. Fuck off.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:31:09 2023 No.22115432
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>>22114857
>According to Christopher, Tolkien was bothered by this scene because Lewis was distorting and sentimentalizing the myth ("Narnian Exile" 41). He suggests, "If Lucy had really met a faun--that is, a satyr--the result would have been a rape, not a tea party" (Christopher, C.S. Lewis 111).
Tolkien merely aspired to the things GRRM fulfilled (Túrin Turambar's story should've had more incest though).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:31:32 2023 No.22115435 >>22115429 Orcs aren’t just druggies, little nigger. They evolved into a different sub species.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:32:25 2023 No.22115439 >>22115418 LOTR would be in a much better state if it was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:33:54 2023 No.22115446 >>22115439 LOTR doesn’t depend on the writers of the Rangz of Powah (who suck btw).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:33:58 2023 No.22115448 >>22115432 Post the pasta

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:35:13 2023 No.22115454 >>22115446 It clearly does, unless you're living in the past, which seems to be the case really.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:36:06 2023 No.22115456

>>22115446
This. Lord of the Rings can have all the terrible adaptations you can imagine, Tolkien's original work is still fine and no one can take it away from the world. Hell, in his lifetime Tolkien wrote vastly more than Martin himself has ever written, so much so that his son spent his own lifetime editing and curating all he'd written.

Martin is fucked because he's never finished his main story. Tolkien finished The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:36:11 2023 No.22115457 >>22115454 It clearly doesn’t since it was completed many decades ago.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:36:42 2023 No.22115461

>>22115435
They are not the product of evolution. Even an example as facetious as 'evil magic meth make men go bad' would be more accurate than evolution in the context of Lord of the Rings. Even devolution would imply a natural process.
Isn't being pedantic fun? Is this contributing anything yet? Do you feel smart?
I'm going to go do anything else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:37:54 2023 No.22115466 >>22115457 >many decades ago That's where your mind goes to cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:39:37 2023 No.22115473 >>22115456 >Tolkien finished The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings. Dagor Dagorath got the Berserk treatment unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:40:39 2023 No.22115476 >>22115466 Was it not completed by Tolkien in the 50s? Cope for what, exactly? I genuinely don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:45:17 2023 No.22115490 >>22115476 You said Rings of Power has nothing to do with Tolkien when it's the current adaptation of his works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:47:11 2023 No.22115497 >>22115473 Miura is another author who mogged Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:49:19 2023 No.22115505 >>22115490 You said LOTR somehow depended on the writers of RoP when it was completed in the 1950s. And no, RoP is not an adaptation of any of his works. There are no nigger hobbits, for starters. It’s fan fiction on a corporate level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:49:27 2023 No.22115506 >>22115497 Tolkien wouldn't be so easily mogged if he wasn't deathly afraid of human sexuality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:50:22 2023 No.22115510 >>22115506 Coomer moment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:51:31 2023 No.22115515 >>22115497 Not even close. Unless nigger goblins raping toddlers is your idea of good fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:51:41 2023 No.22115517 >>22115510 >the slightest mention of sex makes the impotent soiboi tremble lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:52:23 2023 No.22115524 >this guy is better! >no this guy is better! All of you are retards.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:54:21 2023 No.22115536

>>22115505
We're not talking about the trilogy but each work's current state. When was the last time LOTR had a good adaptation? The Hobbit movies were okay but nowhere comparable to their predecessors.
>>22115515
>nigger goblins raping toddlers
Every mythology probably had something like that. Tolkien was just too much of a prude to truly delve into the subject.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:55:22 2023 No.22115542 >>22115524 Yes? We're debating fantasy books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:57:43 2023 No.22115548 >>22115536 > each work's current state Tv adaptations are not the work itself. What kind of retarded idea is this? Jesus Christ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:58:06 2023 No.22115553 File: 40 KB, 600x635, dungeon bait.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115182 0/10 bait, too tryhard to pass much like you in fact

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:58:44 2023 No.22115557 >>22115536 > Every mythology probably had something like that Name 10 myths where a nigger goblin rapes a toddler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:59:33 2023 No.22115560 >>22115548 >Tv adaptations are not the work itself No shit, Sherlock. >>22115557 Your dad meeting your mom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:01:01 2023 No.22115570 >>22115553 You know it's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:02:36 2023 No.22115576 >>22115560 I accept your concession.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:03:39 2023 No.22115583 >>22115576 I accept your cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:03:59 2023 No.22115584 >>22115542 >debating

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:04:42 2023 No.22115588 >>22115583 Says the faggot without arguments. Projection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:05:57 2023 No.22115593 >>22115588 What kind of argument are you expecting exactly? I can't think for you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:06:03 2023 No.22115594 >>22115583 I accept your transition

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:08:08 2023 No.22115599 >>22115594 >has trannies in his thoughts 24/7 >can't handle female nudity Must be stifling in that closet.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:08:23 2023 No.22115601

>>22115570
No, I don't.
Lord of the Rings will remain Lord of the Rings, no matter how much amazon spergs and makes their own headcanon.
Meanwhile Game of Thrones is slowly fading into irrelevancy because normies couldn't stand the show finale, and that lazy bastard will probably die before he finishes the last books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:10:04 2023 No.22115605 >>22115601 You’re trying to argue with a faggot who thinks tv shows are part of the books lol don’t waste your time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:11:26 2023 No.22115611 The Game of Thrones TV show was garbage.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:12:09 2023 No.22115613

>>22115601
>LOTR will remain LOTR
>hasn't had proper LOTR stuff for years
>GOT will fade into irrelevancy
>is currently the one with the better show
Impressive display of cognitive dissonance.
>>22115605
You can strawmen all you want, it only shows how badly you're coping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:12:49 2023 No.22115616 GRRM writes dark fiction for 12 year olds, Tolkien wrote dark fiction for 20 year olds. Which when Tolkien lived meant for fully grown adults with 3 children btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:14:16 2023 No.22115620 >>22115593 You couldn’t name 10 myths yet you have the gall to claim EVERY mythology is like that.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:16:32 2023 No.22115623

>>22115613
>hasn't had proper LOTR stuff for years
Yeah, Tolkien sort of finished writing it several decades ago
>duuuuuude the Iliad sucks they haven't made proper Iliad spin offs in literally millennia
>muh TV shows
whether this is bait or not, unironically kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:16:34 2023 No.22115624 >>22115620 Are you implying mythology isn't full of rape? Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:19:03 2023 No.22115630 >>22115620 Are you really implying child rape is absent in mythology when Tolkien himself addressed that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:20:03 2023 No.22115633 >>22115517 >the slightest lack of sex makes the perverted coomer screech kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:20:31 2023 No.22115634 >>22115623 GRRM mogs the Iliad. Iliad is outdated and only relevant because it's read for school. Tolkien is only relevant because there was no competition back then. GRRM had to overcome EVERYTHING.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:20:56 2023 No.22115637
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>>22115616
>Tolkien wrote dark fiction for 20 year olds.
lol
>>22115623
>LOTR is way more popular than GoT!
>A-Actually only the manuscripts he wrote in the 11th century matter
lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:21:59 2023 No.22115641 >>22115203 You mean like Rings of Power? Friendly reminder that's the current popular conception of LOTR

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:22:45 2023 No.22115646 File: 2.43 MB, 640x492, wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115633 >average emasculated tolkienfag when his virgin eyes gaze upon unconcealed female anatomy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:22:58 2023 No.22115651 >>22115624 >>22115630 >still no examples of nigger goblins raping boys This is embarrassing, faggot. And the fact that you reply with questions only makes you seem more Jewish. Can’t wait for the next non-answer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:24:32 2023 No.22115656 >>22115641 That’s not even LOTR. This is a /tv/ thread, not a /lit/ thread. Stay jerking off about gosylop, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:25:05 2023 No.22115658 >>22115641 Well, if you want to compare similar times, The Hobbit's movies came out at a similar time than the Game of Thrones show, and those 3 movies gained way more money than the 4 seasons of GoT combined.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:25:09 2023 No.22115659 >>22115651 Kek you're so mad you couldn't even read >>22115432. >B-But I want specific examples of specific creatures doing the raping Unabashedly OD'ing on copium

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:26:21 2023 No.22115663 >>22115659 >noooo you have to explicitly have interracial rape in your book or its not real literature

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:26:23 2023 No.22115664 >>22115658 >>22115641 8 seasons of GoT combined*

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:26:26 2023 No.22115665 >>22115658 >movies make more money than tv shows Did you find that out by yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:26:52 2023 No.22115667 >>22115658 Doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:27:35 2023 No.22115669 >>22115663 Yes. Even the bible had interracial rape and Tolkien literally worshiped that book. It happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:28:38 2023 No.22115674 >>22115659 >satyr >girl Not even the same level of degeneracy. Which was the point of my request. Miura’s just an edgelord, not a lover of mythology. Still waiting for those 10 examples btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:28:44 2023 No.22115675 File: 61 KB, 469x654, WE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >LOTR in 2023 be like

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:29:10 2023 No.22115678 >>22115656 Rings of Power is the current popular LOTR media. You made the appeal to "popularity" dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:29:21 2023 No.22115681 >>22115665 >tv shows >I too enjoy pretending it's 2005 yet. It checks out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:29:58 2023 No.22115683 >>22115675 LOTR is a book. You can post all the fan fiction that you like lol nothing changes the book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:30:16 2023 No.22115684 >>22115674 There's a very famous example of homosexual rape too. And it involves bestiality on top of it. I'll let you google that one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:31:45 2023 No.22115691 File: 522 KB, 112x112, copege-copium.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115681 >>22115683

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:32:09 2023 No.22115692 >>22115691 Not even the same person

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:33:12 2023 No.22115698 >>22115692 >only one person can cope at a time

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:33:14 2023 No.22115699 >>22115678 Nope. I never said anything about popularity (different anon). Currently, the lotr books are the most famous media. They sell constantly.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:34:37 2023 No.22115700

>>22115674
>Alcmene raped by Zeus
>Callisto raped by Zeus
>Cassiopeia raped by Zeus
>Danae raped by Zeus
>Europa raped by Zeus
>Io pursued and raped by Zeus
>Hera raped by his brother, Zeus
>Nemesis raped by Zeus
>Rhea raped by Zeus
>Ganymede (a man) raped by Zeus
There you go, 10 examples. Are you happy now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:34:39 2023 No.22115702 >>22115699 And? Harry Potter books sell more than LoTR. Harry Potter is better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:35:06 2023 No.22115705 >>22115700 You're too generous, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:35:30 2023 No.22115706 >>22115684 Eh, that’s 2 levels of degen lower but sure, assuming you’re correct, you still have 9 more to go. After all, every mythology is like that, so it should be pretty easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:35:38 2023 No.22115707 >>22115702 We are not talking about which one is better, we are talking about which one is more popular. Yes, Harry Potter is more popular than LOTR and GoT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:37:49 2023 No.22115716 >>22115706 >you still have 9 more to go 8* I did give you one other example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:38:42 2023 No.22115718 >>22115700 >females >not children >same race >mostly same species The point wasn’t rape, little faggot. The point was utter edgelord degeneracy of a nigger goblin raping a little boy. I’m not sure you realize how many levels of degenerate that is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:38:50 2023 No.22115719 >>22115702 >Harry Potter is better. This but unironically

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:40:00 2023 No.22115724 >>22115718 NTA but that's your arbitrary morals getting in the way. Ham raping Noah in the Bible is more degenerate in my view. It was his father not some random kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:42:15 2023 No.22115729 >>22115724 > Ham raping Noah headcanon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:43:34 2023 No.22115736 >>22115729 Nope, it's been widely discussed for centuries.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:43:36 2023 No.22115737

>>22115718
Ok then.
>Agne of Rome, raped at 12 or 13 years old in order to recant her "Christian faith"
>Europa, raped by Zues in the form of a white bull
>Halie, raped by her own sons
>Cyrene raped by Apollo in the form of a wolf
>Hera, raped by her brother
>Metis, raped by her cousin
>Persephone raped by both her uncle and her father
>Rhea raped by her son
>Caeneus, a man which was genderbend to a woman and then raped
Not 10 examples but it's something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:43:53 2023 No.22115738 >>22115669 Yes, it happens, what's your point? Why would he be forced to add it? Is he writing an encyclopaedia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:44:16 2023 No.22115740 You cunts are a bunch of weird faggots. Enjoy your goyslop shows like you’re on /tv/. goodbye.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:45:17 2023 No.22115744 >>22115736 And still inconclusive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:45:37 2023 No.22115747 >>22115699 >If I use famous it's different from popular Okay anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:45:53 2023 No.22115750 >>22115738 Because his work was a literal recreation of humanity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:46:35 2023 No.22115753 >>22115737 Now find an example that combines them all just to compete against Berserk. Teenagers are not toddlers btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:46:58 2023 No.22115755 >>22115744 It's very conclusive, Christians just have a hard time swallowing it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:48:03 2023 No.22115765 >>22115755 Conclusive but much debated. Interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:49:22 2023 No.22115770 >>22115765 That's usually the case when one side can't accept the truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:49:34 2023 No.22115772 >>22115747 Currently popular = trending on twitter and discussed on reddit. Famous = staying cultural power

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:50:34 2023 No.22115775 >>22115770 Or when something is not conclusive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:51:05 2023 No.22115779 >>22115753 Just so you know you're replying to another anon but I originally said mythologies probably have stories like that, not exactly the same story. The Erlkonig kidnapping boys to fuck is probably a good example though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:52:53 2023 No.22115789 >>22115775 Have you read the Bible? "Exposing someone's nakedness" is a common euphemism for sex in the Bible, Christians avoid admitting it because it's not plainly stated.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:55:02 2023 No.22115802

>>22115747
Okay, let's do a little thinking. If you asked every human on earth if they know Frodo Bolson or [Insert the most known GoT character here], would you think that most of the world would say the GoT character, or Frodo Bolson? Think that Reddit and 4chan is full of zoomers and millenials, and combined are only 40% or of the population.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:55:45 2023 No.22115804 >>22115772 (You) = Grasping at straws

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:56:56 2023 No.22115809 >>22115804 (You) = no arguments (again)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:58:08 2023 No.22115815 >>22115809 (You) = Deep throating my dick (uninterrupted)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:01:48 2023 No.22115833 >>22115815 (You) = Homosexual coomer (predictable)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:57:46 2023 No.22116250 >>22115804 >>22115809 >>22115815 >>22115833 get a room

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:02:24 2023 No.22116265 I got memed into buying these books by Cristopher, it is the literally the same story told 5 times with slight differences like Sauron being a giant cat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:03:30 2023 No.22116269 >>22115802 >would you think that most of the world would say the GoT character, or Frodo Bolson? Definitely the GoT character

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:05:06 2023 No.22116271 >>22116269 Delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:24:12 2023 No.22116324 File: 84 KB, 720x1323, jon snow frodo bolson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22116271

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:27:13 2023 No.22116338 >>22116324 This works against your argument. If they have to google him, it’s because they don’t know who he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:29:39 2023 No.22116344 >>22116338 >interest means lack of previous knowledge Anon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:31:15 2023 No.22116348 Malazan mogs both cause there aren't adaptation termites.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:34:56 2023 No.22116358 File: 76 KB, 720x1315, imp the word.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22116338 >If they have to google him, it’s because they don’t know who he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:36:12 2023 No.22116363 >>22116358 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:37:03 2023 No.22116366 >>22116363 Take the L

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:39:22 2023 No.22116377 >>22116366 Jesus is less and less popular. The modern retard may have heard of him but he doesn’t know him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:40:16 2023 No.22116379 >>22116377 That's the most shameless damage control you could come up with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:41:58 2023 No.22116382 >>22116379 Just how it is. We live in a godless society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:45:31 2023 No.22116396 >>22116382 Embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:52:59 2023 No.22116427 File: 76 KB, 602x680, 1647286902461.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can't get much dumber than being an LOTR fan and a christcuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:20:42 2023 No.22116516 File: 47 KB, 1182x710, sauron vs frodo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:20:57 2023 No.22116517 The comparison of the two is weird, anyway. Like comparing Mozart to One Direction, or a stick man doodle to the Mona Lisa

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:22:42 2023 No.22116522

>>22114857
The prose in ASOIAF is awful and the continuous "ah we started the trope but then turned it on its head" trope is tiresome and means the series either ends with the others killing everything or outs GRRM as a hack.
Flip side is LOTR isn't exactly a fun read for young adults. Jackson doesn't get enough credit for turning a description of a map into a movie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:30:35 2023 No.22116541 >>22116522 Speaking as a young adult, Tokien's books are a slog to read through. But on a positive side, re-reading them is a lot fun and an overall better experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:31:55 2023 No.22116545 >>22115623 There is bromance and necrophilia in the Iliad. Evidently it does not suck.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:33:46 2023 No.22116549

>>22115326
One of the most hilariously tragicomic aspects of 20th century history is the great last stand of hyper-Christian Anglos and their display of snarky arrogance followed by a steep, complete and immediate collapse. This letter isn't really a 'Tolkien letter'. It is a microcosm representing the austere, conservative culture among upper class Britons at the time. Little did our boys know what punching bags they would become!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:41:24 2023 No.22116565 >>22116516 >not even the most popular character in his own story Damn

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:44:14 2023 No.22116578

>>22115724
Yes, although it's unfair to compare the bible with LOTR. It's much more similar to ASOIAF. Verses such as Ezekiel 23:19-21 read like they're straight out of A Dance with Dragons.
You can comfortably read The Fellowship of the Ring to your kids. Not so much the aforementioned books.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:45:37 2023 No.22116583
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>>22116516
>>22116565
Honestly I never even cared about the hobbits. I know it's like a "haha, see true strength of character lies within and this here is le quirky Englishmen who are courageous despite being quirky". But I just don't care. I am not going to admire a midget. Sorry. Narrative-wise I understand that Sauron and the Ring Wraiths are trash, but subjectively speaking I always found them by far the coolest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:50:12 2023 No.22116596 >>22116522 LOTR movies were 100% better than the books. Tolkien was a terrible writer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:52:43 2023 No.22116607 >>22116583 Niggergirl?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:53:52 2023 No.22116612

>>22116583
>>22116596
Tolkien was a faggot without vision. LOTR is boring as fuck and the most milquetoast fantasy setting in existence. A complete snoozefest with basically just one (1) bad guy.

I salute everyone who's actually trying to unfuck this "I read it as a kid therefore its the bestest ever!" nostalgiawank.

And yes, the movies >>> the book. Especially thanks to trimming all the fat. First 150 pages are basically nothing but three midgets travelling with Tolkien describing the landscapes.
>the hills were rising in the distance
>the riverbed was wide and shallow
Fuck off.
And don't get me started on that singing hobo in the forrest that every redditor memes about as the "best character". Really tells you everything you know.

There's a reason why the movies are as highly regarded as they are. They trimmed the shit out of an old man's wankfest(I thought of it for decades therefore I need to put all of it in!!").

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:54:37 2023 No.22116615 >>22116596 Still better than Grrm

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:55:58 2023 No.22116621 >>22116612 But why should I care about your opinion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:56:38 2023 No.22116624 >>22116615 Hardly.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:59:57 2023 No.22116633

>>22116612
I think Tolkien's worldbuilding isn't bad, but it's hardly the best. The great bulk of it is family trees and philology. He doesn't ever elaborate on how Gondorians think and feel, their cultural practices and so on... and how these might differ from the men of Rohan... or what really differentiates a dark elf from a high elf beyond the journeys their ancestors took. We know next to nothing about what actually constitutes an orc, and even less about the Easterlings and the people of Khand.
He also tends to brush off pivotal battles as if they were nothing of importance. Everything builds up to a conflict, and he either skips over the thing or gives you a laundry list account without any real narrative dynamic. Then he focuses on what's really important: describing a tree for ten pages, like you said.
Ironically though, despite his detailed descriptions, Middle-Earth still feels lifeless in many ways. Thousands of years pass in the story and absolutely nothing happens, like the world's been paused. There are thousands of miles of wilderness between civilizations that should've realistically expanded that are just described as empty. Had he spent less pages describing what the left dwarf on the right's green button looked like and given more attention to substance then LOTR would've been much better books.

The ASOIAF books are far more interesting to read, no doubt about that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:00:04 2023 No.22116635 >>22116624 No, quite easily, actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:01:37 2023 No.22116639 >>22116633 >The ASOIAF books are far more interesting to read, no doubt about that. If you're a redditor, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:02:14 2023 No.22116641 >>22116633 You might like to read Tolkien, Race and Cultural History: From Fairies to Hobbits by Dimitra Fimi. She talks about Tolkien's lack of what you're describing, that is "MATERIAL CULTURE."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:03:00 2023 No.22116643 >>22116635 >>22116639 I doubt you even read LOTR, or you'd know how boring and uneventful those books are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:04:29 2023 No.22116652 >>22116643 it's obviously a moviefag having a kneejerk reaction to criticism

>>	The more she drank the more she shat Mon Jun 5 23:04:50 2023 No.22116653 >>22116643 I was talking about the writing, plotfag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:05:51 2023 No.22116659 >>22116652 ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:06:28 2023 No.22116661 >>22116643 It's that to you because you're immature and uneducated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:06:33 2023 No.22116662 >>22116652 I noticed. >>22116653 You'd need to have read both series to evaluate that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:08:30 2023 No.22116666 >>22116661 What's mature about Tolkien's writing? Genuine question. Go read the books you clearly haven't read, then come back here and try explaining it. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:10:25 2023 No.22116671 >>22116666 based satan btfoing moviefags

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:10:32 2023 No.22116672 >>22116666 >What's mature about Tolkien's writing? I didn't even mention his writing. Why did you respond with a non-sequitur? That's a rhetorical question. Now I know certainty you're uneducated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:11:05 2023 No.22116676 >>22116662 Tolkien's writing is superior. I'm not even sure why this is controversial with redditors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:11:15 2023 No.22116678 Why does Tolkien now make some anons seethe?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:12:14 2023 No.22116685 >>22116672 >Now I know certainty you're At least finish high school before you call other people uneducated, kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:13:16 2023 No.22116688 >>22116676 >Tolkien's writing is superior Elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:14:10 2023 No.22116694 >>22116678 Lots of reddit tourists on the last couple of months.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:14:23 2023 No.22116695 >>22116685 >a typo means I'm uneducated >name calling There's the immaturity. Thank you for proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:15:40 2023 No.22116698 >>22116678 There's some weird tribalistic thing going on between LOTR fans and ASOIAF fans, like they're both trying to convince the other to stop liking what they don't like

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:18:10 2023 No.22116706 >>22116695 >can't be bothered to proofread a handful of sentences expressing his unfounded opinions he just pulled out of his ass >wants to be taken seriously I'm not name calling you, you're obviously underage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:22:49 2023 No.22116724 >>22116706 >you're under 18 This is how you defend against someone saying you're immature and uneducated? Thank you for bolstering my argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:24:42 2023 No.22116728 >>22115326 Jews are not the reason why you don't have a gf or why the West sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:26:00 2023 No.22116733 >>22116724 >No self-awareness

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:26:50 2023 No.22116736 >>22116728 >muh sex Got a live one, guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:26:57 2023 No.22116737 >>22116733 (You) = no arguments

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:29:24 2023 No.22116749
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>>22115182
>be me
>be Tolkienfag
>have to bear people talking about hot fantasy shit with tits and dragons while all I have to watch is an abysmal show about nigger dwarves
>nobody wants to talk about that time when Faggofin son of Faggotron got fucked by More Goth in my favorite book because no tv show
>"s-sunset found her..."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:30:51 2023 No.22116754 >>22116749 Why do you keep bringing up the TV shows? I have no interest in either of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:31:04 2023 No.22116755 >>22116737 Anon you think enjoying the snooze fest that is LOTR is a sign of maturity. You have no idea what an argument even is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:32:06 2023 No.22116762 >>22116754 Did I reply to you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:32:17 2023 No.22116764 File: 291 KB, 1280x1280, what grrmfags luv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22116749

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:32:56 2023 No.22116769

>>22116633
>He doesn't ever elaborate on how Gondorians think and feel
it's not important and more a staple of dumb fantasy where an entire human nation is just one personality. His focus on family trees is something you'd actually see in ancient manuscripts and sagas, who also did not feel the need to explain to the idiots what their cultural practices were. You don't have to know absolutely everything about the world. It's supposed to be written by a dude in that world. It's like you are asking the sci-fi author to make his characters be nothing but mouthpieces to explain the tech and setting. Also, GRRM's prose is just not very good compared to Tolkien.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:33:15 2023 No.22116771 >>22116764 Even our forced diversity is better than yours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:33:18 2023 No.22116773 >>22116762 seething

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:33:38 2023 No.22116775 >>22116755 I didn't say that. You really have trouble with reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:34:17 2023 No.22116778 >>22116773 You said you're not interested in the tv shows, but where did I ask?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:34:42 2023 No.22116780 >>22116771 >unironic /tv/fag goyslopper lol embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:35:41 2023 No.22116784 >>22116778 This is /lit/, not /tv/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:35:43 2023 No.22116785 >>22116778 It's a general discussion, not yahoo answers, nigger.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:35:56 2023 No.22116788

>>22116641
>"MATERIAL CULTURE."
nobody cares about that except retarded archeologists who think they can divine the social structure of germanic tribes by the location of the entrances to their houses with method on par with that of augury. It's all downhill from ideology and psychology anyway. Also, the guy was specifically complaining about Tolkien describing clothing and buttons. You know... Material culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:37:26 2023 No.22116795 >>22116736 I didn't mention sex, that's you. I said they're not the reason you do not have a gf. Love isn't all about sex you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:37:40 2023 No.22116797 >>22116788 >Also, the guy was specifically complaining about Tolkien describing clothing and buttons. You know... Material culture. That's why I recommended the book. Fimi talks about material culture and Tolkien's lack of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:39:09 2023 No.22116807 >>22116795 Yea, men have gfs just to play dominoes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:39:45 2023 No.22116812 >>22116797 ok, but the guy was specifically complaining about Tolkien's apparent abundance of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:39:46 2023 No.22116813 >>22116775 >backpedaling >>22116780 >>22116784 >pretending he doesn't watch tv Tolkienfags can't even hide their asspain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:42:13 2023 No.22116827 >>22116812 Oh really? I just skimmed through what he said and assumed he wasn't retarded and was complaining about the lack of material culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:42:31 2023 No.22116831 >>22116807 didn't you just say "muh sex" not 14 minutes ago? Or do you think men only have gfs for sex?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:43:59 2023 No.22116841 >>22116785 Sounds like you thought the post was directed at you and felt personally attacked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:44:47 2023 No.22116843 >>22116813 >everyone is a goyslopper like me lol we know you're a raider from /tv/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:45:18 2023 No.22116845 >>22116813 >>pretending he doesn't watch tv how does watching tv automatically imply that you have to be interested in HotD and RoP? are you, like, retarded or something (rhetorical question, don't answer)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:45:45 2023 No.22116848 >>22116641 >read this other book to somehow make the books you just read seem less shitty lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:45:48 2023 No.22116849 >>22116841 Sounds like you posted b8 and don't like the replies.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:46:53 2023 No.22116857

>>22116813
>>backpedaling
It pains me how retarded you are that you don't understand basic logic. I said you're immature because you said it's a boring book. You said that I was saying it's mature to think the book isn't boring. I just can't believe how retarded you are you don't know simple A is B is not the same as B is A. Not all rectangles are squares, retard. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW BASIC LOGIC. No wonder you thought it was boring. You're not even intelligent enough to read it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:47:40 2023 No.22116859 >>22116843 >we >>22116845

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:48:19 2023 No.22116860 >wake up >go on /lit/ >see dogshit genrefiction thread This reads like a fucking /tv/ thread, the absolute state of /lit/ Any of you obvious tourists need to go back >>>/tv/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:49:07 2023 No.22116864 >>22116849 Sounds like you're still trying to convince yourself it's bait not to have to post an actual argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:49:13 2023 No.22116865 >>22116859 both of those shows are goyslop, yes.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:49:16 2023 No.22116866

>>22116848
>read this other book to somehow make the books you just read seem less shitty
Holy shit you can't be this retarded. I recommended specifically as a criticism of Tolkien's lack of material culture making his worldbuilding less realistic. How are you possibly this retarded?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:50:12 2023 No.22116867 >>22116859 what are you even implying at this point? why (you) me in response to him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:50:15 2023 No.22116868 >>22116857 >I said you're immature because you said it's a boring book It IS a boring book. You'd know that if you had read it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:51:11 2023 No.22116872 >>22116864 No argument was presented in the first place. Merely boasting about... goyslop tv. /tv/ shit goes on /tv/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:52:04 2023 No.22116878 >>22116872 Reminder it started here >>22115203

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:53:19 2023 No.22116882 >>22116878 And it ended here >>22116324

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:54:06 2023 No.22116886 >>22116868 Anyone saying x is boring is being immature. Some people say Kant's Critique of Pure Reason is boring. And? I don't give a shit. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:54:58 2023 No.22116888 >>22116886 >pointing out something is objectively boring is immature damn anon learn how to cope better

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:56:01 2023 No.22116898 File: 6 KB, 525x109, 4454554.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22116878 Weird because that's not even my post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:56:05 2023 No.22116899 >>22116888 There's no such thing as "objectively boring". You're RETARDED.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:57:52 2023 No.22116909 >>22116898 >newfag thinks a screencap proves a post isn't his

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:59:30 2023 No.22116913 >>22116899 >There's no such thing as "objectively boring". Lmao go watch paint dry you dumb faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:02:51 2023 No.22116935 >>22116909 There's 40 posters ITT, faggot. You're aware it's not just you and another guy, right? You've spent most of the day defending a reddit tv show and you think it's just you and another guy lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:03:20 2023 No.22116939 >>22116909 These threads are always made by newfags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:04:38 2023 No.22116945 >>22116935 >this tech illiterate nigger is unironically implying ip count shows the actual number of people posting in a thread holy shit

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:05:40 2023 No.22116954

>>22116913
That's still subjectively boring. Just because the majority of people believe in something doesn't make it objectively true. Also, you used a homophobic slur. Stop. Just because I called you retarded doesn't mean you can call me that. In fact, I apologize for calling you a "retard".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:06:09 2023 No.22116955 >>22116935 Not very mature to call anything you don't like "reddit" anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:06:28 2023 No.22116959 >>22116945 >schizo thinks there's only two posters ITT lol I love the delusion. perfectly on brand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:07:12 2023 No.22116965 >>22116955 >not very mature So?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:08:02 2023 No.22116971 >>22116959 nigger you think there's 40 people imagine being this stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:08:14 2023 No.22116972 >>22116955 That guy really tore you a new asshole. Completely traumatized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:09:33 2023 No.22116978 >>22116972 >That guy Now that's just sad anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:11:11 2023 No.22116988 >>22116971 >you think there's 40 people Thread's been up since 8 am. Not everyone is a no lifer schizo like you. Yea there's more than 2 users here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:11:14 2023 No.22116989 >>22116978 LONDON

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:12:04 2023 No.22116992 >>22116972 Impartial bystander here, he clearly BTFO you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:12:50 2023 No.22116999 >>22116978 what can I say. I saw you guys arguing about maturity and spellings for like 20 posts- funny that you think that's me, considering the poster count.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:13:51 2023 No.22117006 >>22116992 I agree and I've been lurking for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:14:33 2023 No.22117011 >>22116992 who did? >>22117006 ah you're just samefagging. never mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:14:41 2023 No.22117012 Let's all be friends.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:15:22 2023 No.22117018 >>22117011 Those are new posters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:16:36 2023 No.22117026 >>22117018 right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:18:12 2023 No.22117035 >>22116972 I haven't said anything yet but he totally destroyed you bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:19:25 2023 No.22117041 >>22117035 very funny. keep changing IPs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:19:30 2023 No.22117042 >>22117026 Look at the poster count, they're all new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:20:41 2023 No.22117051 >>22117041 >changing IPs What's that? I thought each IP was a different person...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:22:41 2023 No.22117059 >>22117051 so you admit you're changing IPs to samefag lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:24:00 2023 No.22117066 >>22117059 No there's 45 people here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:24:35 2023 No.22117069 >>22117066 right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:25:44 2023 No.22117073 >>22117069 He's right. I'm joining as person number 46.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:27:37 2023 No.22117079 >>22117073 Based, I'll be poster 47 if you don't mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:27:59 2023 No.22117082 Tolkien > your mom > Grrm

>>	Chad 48 Tue Jun 6 00:29:28 2023 No.22117086 >>22117073 >>22117079 My brothers. I'm glad we can all agree ASOIAF is superior while OP seethes uncontrollably.

>>	Turbo Chad the 49th Tue Jun 6 00:34:30 2023 No.22117105 >>22117086 A 4chan pass is powerless before the 49 of us.

>>	Giga Chad the Brown ( !uLzSnBxHKY Tue Jun 6 00:36:26 2023 No.22117117 >>22117105 Indeed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:38:51 2023 No.22117124 How can OP even compete with so many chads?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:45:28 2023 No.22117142 File: 33 KB, 678x452, The Goat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22117124 He can't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:49:17 2023 No.22117160 >>22116971 There aren't 40 posters on this entire board, much less in this thread. >>22117105 Can't imagine the kind of subhuman who would buy a pass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:54:01 2023 No.22117173 >>22115182 Jesus Christ this post annihilated OP's ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:57:35 2023 No.22117179 >>22117160 >Can't imagine the kind of subhuman who would buy a pass. Right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:10:05 2023 No.22117217 Where does the RR in GRRM come from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:13:18 2023 No.22117231 >>22117217 I heard it comes from some author he surpassed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:14:23 2023 No.22117232 >>22117231 Oh so it's like a trophy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:14:29 2023 No.22117233 >>22117231 No it don't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:16:48 2023 No.22117237 >>22117232 Yeah. >>22117233 It do.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:19:49 2023 No.22117250

>>22115365
>Obsesses over the proud lineages of Gondor, Numenor, elves, dwarves, etc.
>Painstakingly creates not just fictional cultures and histories, but even entire languages
>One of his main themes is putting differences aside to unite against a greater evil
>...
>Thinks lineage is something to joke about
>Kills his literal kin, "regrettably"
>Refuses to put differences with Germans aside to fight a greater evil
>Thinks because he wrote an interesting fantasy book he has any grasp of real-world politics whatsoever
>Snootily looks down his nose at anyone who tells him otherwise
As talented of a writer as he was, he comes off like a colossal prick in many of his correspondences. At least we aren't speaking German!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:34:57 2023 No.22117283 >>22116959 There is only one poster ITT, samefag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:40:15 2023 No.22117295 You can't not dislike Tolkien and not have a soul.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:49:22 2023 No.22117327 >>22116728 the no gf thing is because I’m asexual, but they are probably a contributing factor as to why the west began its decline

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:54:40 2023 No.22117336 >>22117295 I'm not sure that came out the way you wanted to

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 02:14:50 2023 No.22117400 >>22117295 LotR is the epitome of soulless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:07:22 2023 No.22117517 >>22115802 If you ask people is they know who "Jon Snow" is, most normies would answer yes, probably more than if you said Aragorn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:10:37 2023 No.22117520 >>22115802 If you ask people if they know who "Jon Snow" is, most normies would answer yes, probably more than if you said "Aragorn".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:13:31 2023 No.22117524 >>22115365 >>22117250 fr fr

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:16:16 2023 No.22117529 >>22114857 Elric?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:22:54 2023 No.22117541 File: 48 KB, 1174x685, tolkien v martin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:30:30 2023 No.22117561 File: 32 KB, 895x694, NowThis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22117541 Funny, when you post the actual work itself you get something different

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:31:19 2023 No.22117563 >>22117520 Aragorn is not the most famous character of LOTR

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:32:09 2023 No.22117567

>>22114857
I was a kid when I read that thing about how the mountain came into the tavern, raped the tavern keeper's daughter, killed his son. he 'liked it when they squirm', or one of his buddies did.

it turned me on. also that thing about how tysha got fucked by the entire house guard while tyrion watched. it's really horrible, this poor peasant girl getting raped repeatedly. I don't know how anybody could write that stuff.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:35:00 2023 No.22117572

>>22117563
I think it holds even between Jon Snow and Frodo. You have to understand that normies eschew fantasy unless it's a cultural phenomenon, so LOTR had it's day but has been relegated back to fantasy nerd stuff, but GoT is much more culturally relevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:45:39 2023 No.22117593 >>22117561 >film series >drama series Retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:47:51 2023 No.22117599 >>22117593 Google trends puts a generic description under search terms, it doesn't affect the actual search.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:51:33 2023 No.22117606

>>22117599
Oh sorry. I didn't know that. Anyway I don't actually care if GOT is more popular than LOTR. If we said popularity is what matters, then Rowling mogs both. Also the only reason I don't read GRRM's ASOIAF is because it's unfinished. I'd like to read his other books like Tuf Voyaging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:58:05 2023 No.22117620 >>22115286 A show that Tolkien had nothing to do with. Anyone can take a work and make it gay.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:02:51 2023 No.22117636

>>22115367
I dislike atheistic works. Nihilism is fine to a degree, but once it gets to a certain point it becomes annoying. i'm not saying that i believe in Christianity or any specific religion, but i'm definitely not an atheist. atheism seems childish to me. no one knows anything for sure, but stopping at atheism and not exploring anything beyond that seems immature.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:07:20 2023 No.22117644

>>22115517
I'm no puritan, but some people are just way too obsessed with sex in such an annoying way. Ejaculating in a hot chick feels good, but it's probably feels better to have sex with a woman you truly love. Random sex feels good, but it's not the greatest thing in the world. Getting high from opiates feels way better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:09:32 2023 No.22117647 >>22117644 Being a virgin is better than having a wife.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:09:41 2023 No.22117648

>>22117636
It sounds like you have a distorted view of what atheism is, which is to be expected seeing as it's a term embroiled in many different culture wars. It's actually pretty amusing that most people think of atheists like Sam Harris as being along the lines you describe, despite the fact he has spent significant portions of his life pursuing spirituality and meditation and various traditions to get at the mystery of consciousness. To be honest, your characterization of atheism seems one dimensional and inaccurate.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:11:14 2023 No.22117649

>>22117644
I'm a progressive atheist and I feel exactly like what you say. Most people are way too promiscuous for their own good, I view it as akin to sacrificing huge future well being for immediate short term shallow "well being", if that degree of shallowness can even be termed as such.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:20:55 2023 No.22117666

>>22117649
Sex is like jacking off with extra steps. The most sex obsessed people now seem to be reddit dweebs. Sex is important, but it has an existential importance and we're driven to have sex to procreate. It feels good, but it's not the greatest feeling ever. Weird perverted people annoy me as well. Sex is all over the place now, so i don't see why people think depicting sex and kinks is so novel. It's not anymore.

The desire to have sex is like the desire to breathe, drink, or eat.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 04:41:43 2023 No.22117716

>>22117666
>Sex is like jacking off with extra steps
I disagree. You can jack off without any emotional attachment, because no other person is present. But the hormones released during sexual activity are the ones associated with pair bonding (Oxytocin being the most significant) especially when there is skin to skin contact. So essentially when you have sex with someone your physiology begins the process of pair bonding with them, and what do you suppose happens to your ability to pair bond if you repeatedly begin forming such a bond and then break it off? We are fundamentally pair bonding creatures, promiscuity destroys this crucial, this essential function of our sexual drive and leads people to a life of ultimate sexual frustration, loneliness, and misery. I reiterate my earlier point, it's sacrificing future well being for immediate shallow pleasure. A fool's choice.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:15:19 2023 No.22117825 >>22117790 >ashkenazi with parentheses dumb ass zoomers can't meme right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:39:56 2023 No.22117888 File: 108 KB, 736x920, 1677954879256040.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22115182 /thread Tolkiencels are mad that people want something more complex than le good guys fight le bad guys

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:47:18 2023 No.22117898 >>22117888 So you admit GRRM is pop garbage for the NPC masses like Harry Potter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:52:33 2023 No.22117902 >>22117898 That's the opposite of what he said, you illiterate nigger.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:58:32 2023 No.22117911

>>22117902
>people want
It's appealing to people. I.e. a group. Marvel does these things called test screenings to make sure the movies appeal to people.
>the opposite
The opposite of that would be if it appealed to no one or only one person.
Look up the definition of "opposite" next time, kid.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:01:45 2023 No.22117917
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>>22117898
That's quite literally the opposite of what I just said you imbecile
You must be American, there is absolutely no way your reading comprehension could be this bad if you weren't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:02:08 2023 No.22117918 >>22117911 Harry Potter is good vs bad guys like LOTR. Next time read the post before replying, nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:03:37 2023 No.22117920 >>22117918 No it's not. The characters are morally grey. Harry Potter uses magic against regular people and mentally disturbs them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:05:35 2023 No.22117925 >>22117920 >uses magic against regular people and mentally disturbs them Wow so machiavellian and morally ambiguous

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:05:35 2023 No.22117926 >>22117917 >I said it's more complex that means it's not for NPC masses! Holy shit you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:07:22 2023 No.22117929 >>22117925 >DARK AND EDGY basedface.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:09:35 2023 No.22117930 File: 43 KB, 411x418, frodo amused by your faggotry.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22117898 >>22117911 >>22117920 >>22117926 >>22117929 >this shithead hasn't got tired of making a fool of himself in this thread yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:12:30 2023 No.22117939 File: 63 KB, 850x400, quote-it-is-an-easy-thing-to-call-names-any-fool-is-equal-to-that-and-the-weapon-of-vituperation-martha-finley-117-59-56.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22117930 >name calling

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:15:14 2023 No.22117945 >>22117939 >quotes grandma to protect his ego you already reached your lowest when you tried to argue that jesus was less known than tyrion there's nothing left to salvage

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:16:55 2023 No.22117947 >>22117945 She's not my grandma, idiot. I've never even heard of her before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:18:39 2023 No.22117952 >>22117947 so you literally just googled quotes about name calling and posted a pic of someone you don't even know who she is? fuck man i take back what i said this is your lowest

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:21:01 2023 No.22117960 >>22117952 Almost like the opinion of some random person bears no meaning. Hmm... >>22117888

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:28:45 2023 No.22117967 >>22117960 you're a mess dude take a break from shitposting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:30:26 2023 No.22117969 >>22117967 Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 09:05:04 2023 No.22118178 >>22115389 Simon is the Tolkien that consults for Rings of Power though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:13:57 2023 No.22118294 >>22115129 Gimme a list of things ASOIAF stole from so I can read them Never read ASOIAF because it's guaranteed to never be finished anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 11:50:31 2023 No.22118440 >>22118178 nta, but that is true. Simon is just mediocre writer; a dimwit who envies his grandad's fame and literary skill.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 12:33:28 2023 No.22118544

>>22114857
ASOIAF isn't supposed to be realistic, this has always been a strawman.

The main difference between the two is that LOTR portrays evil/bad = inhuman.
ASOIAF shows evil/bad as just another aspect of humanity, Euron isn't inhuman, he's one of the most human characters and that's his problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 12:50:19 2023 No.22118572 >>22117636 Thanks for the blogpost. You forgot to mention whether or not you like cock in your ass, so we'll just assume you do until you write a second blogpost addressing our suspicions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 14:16:37 2023 No.22118791 >>22117825 its just part of the https://coincidencedetector.com/ i didnt make it, i dont think it was made by zoomers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 14:38:59 2023 No.22118840 king

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 15:12:50 2023 No.22118950 >>22115182 Please re-write without the use of buzzwords

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 15:22:55 2023 No.22118982 File: 216 KB, 656x679, Disagree.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>22114857 Both are kino

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