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22110782 No.22110782 [Reply] [Original]

How do you refute his wager bros?

>> No.22110791

because the religion i made up in my head says there is only heaven

>> No.22111749

I am god. if you suck my cock you'll go to heaven, but if you suck my cock and I'm not god then nothing has changed
If you don't suck my god cock you'll go to hell forever, but if you refuse to suck and I'm not god then nothing has changed.
sure does make sense for you to open up wide then doesn't it?

>> No.22111909

>>22111749
I was once catfished and sucked on the penis by a man

>> No.22111975

you're a mental retard if you can't figure it out, op. it's a totally arbitrary position and if you can't identify that, i'm sorry that so many years were wasted in raising you. you fucking failure.

>> No.22112338

>>22110782
When i was 16 i refuted my religion teacher by saying if there is no god and you take the believing option you waste your life by living against your nature by applying some weird ascetism

>> No.22112372

>Christian God: Accept Jesus as your savior or you go to hell
>Allah: Accept Jesus as your savior and you'll go to hell
How you gonna solve this conundrum, Pascal?

>> No.22112380
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22112380

>>22112372
got ya bro

>> No.22112387

>>22110782
It is incoherent which god I'm supposed to believe in, especially when there are some who will send me to hell for getting it wrong.

>> No.22112407

>>22110782
i got better things to do

>> No.22112417

>>22112407
>telling lies on the internet

>> No.22112550

>>22110782
Wouldn't God know that I'm merely taking Pascal's wager, rather than coming to faith out of my own genuine convictions? Does sincerity not matter?

>> No.22112562

>>22110782
By refuting gambling as a whole. There is no other way.

>> No.22112580

>>22112387
>I HAVE FREE WILL
Apparently not.

>> No.22112586

>>22112580
I'm a determinist so yeah

>> No.22112604

>>22111909
was he hot

>> No.22112621

>>22110782
Gaunilo-style, with a parody argument. Imagine instead of the usual religions, a religion with a God who damns all those who believe in it, but saves the atheists. Now what? Nothing logically rules this possibility out. If you think it's inconsistent with divine perfections, so is the entire problem of evil, so that doesn't rule it out; God works in mysterious ways, after all. So there's no way to rule it out. Pascal's wager already puts theists in a tricky situation since they're as likely to be damned as the atheist by all the other religions if any of them happen to be true. At best you would have an advantage of 1 less god to damn you if you're right, but the atheist won't be damned if they're right either, so I'm not sure it's really an advantage.
>t. theist, but not on the basis of Pascal's wager

>> No.22112624

>>22112550
Blaise Pascal was a Jansenist. Jansenists are a sub-sect of Catholics who believe in Double-Predestination. Double-Predestination is the belief that Yahweh arbitrarily decided, at the moment he created the universe, that some proportion of humanity would be subjected to eternal torture after death, and some proportion would be granted eternal paradise. Who is in each proportion is totally random and is not influenced by their behaviors in this life.

Mainline Catholics, meanwhile, reject Double-Predestination, instead believing that your fate after death is determined by your actions in this life. Catholic opponents of Jansenism argued that Double-Predestination makes no sense as if it were true then there would be no point in partaking in religious rituals, following moral and ethical commandments, giving money to the Vatican, and other things that (they allege) Christians were instructed to do by the Jewish tribal deity.

"Pascal's Wager" is a response to that criticism. Pascal believed that you could use reason and logic to determine which was the true religion, and he believed that if you did this you'd end up with Jansenism. If, however, one performed the logical calculations wrong, you could end up with Catholicism. But, you also could have calculated wrong and ended up at Jansenism. Thus, when torn between Jansenism and Catholicism, one should still go to church just in case Jansenism is not in fact the one true religion, but rather Catholicism is.

Pascal explicitly rejected the idea of applying this to religions other than Catholicism and Jansenism (as in >>22112380) because there are mutually contradictory religions.

>> No.22112925

I guarantee you if you give me 50$ you will live forever after life. If you lose, you just lost 50$, if you win you win an eternal life.

>> No.22112954

>>22112586
>I'm retarded
Apperantly, yeah.

>> No.22113043

>>22111975
>>22112338
>>22112372
>>22112387
>>22112407
>>22112550
>>22112562
>>22112621
>>22112624
>>22112925
Pascal's point was just proving that despite giving the chance to believe in God rationally no one would start to believe in God that way. That is, even if it is rational to believe in God, one cannot just start believing through reason. Reason does not dictate anything.

>> No.22113065

>>22113043
but the "wager" is not rational at all LMAO

>> No.22113071

>>22113065
you're dense

>> No.22113114

>>22110782
Because you don't get to choose what you believe. You either believe it or you don't.

>> No.22113136

>>22113043
imagine actually believing what you just said
lmao

stick you head in the mud and come up with a way to reach the moon then, you mystic retard

>> No.22113183

>>22113136
>point on faith
>mysticism
You are a dumb nigger.

>> No.22113191

>>22113183
lol stupid ass