Based Callicles BTFOing Socrates

[Anonymous No.22098581]

>We mold the best and strongest among ourselves, catching them young like lion cubs, and by spells and incantations we make slaves of them, saying that they must be content with equality and that this is what is right and fair. But if a man arises endowed with a nature sufficiently strong, he will, I believe, shake off all these controls, burst his fetters, and break loose. And trampling upon our scraps of paper, our spells and incantations, and all our unnatural conventions, he rises up and reveals himself our master who was once our slave, and there shines forth nature’s true justice.

[Anonymous No.22098697]

>>22098581
Socrates beats him in a clever way since society is the strongest union of all the Earth so if the police for instance, can enforce a law or rule upon you then you are virtually forced to comply to it. The Bronze Age pervert types can’t actually duel or kill anyone without being arrested so all their showing off is for naught.

[Anonymous No.22098734]

this is just Nietzsche-tier "le slave morality" bs

[Anonymous No.22098740]

>>22098734
He gets btfod though because as I said “the strongest” would be society in general.

[Anonymous No.22098815]

>>22098581
Callicles, and other philosophers like Nietzsche who make similar arguments, is obviously not referring to brute strength and power when referring to the concept of strength in general. It would make no sense to say the strong are being repressed by the weak if this were the case; how could the repressed be strong and their repressors be weak if strength referred only to power? In that case, the repressed would inherently be weak and their repressors would inherently be strong. They’re instead refer to strength of character. Often enough, the weak of character are those who end up in power because they are more likely to resort to underhandedness and violence.

[Anonymous No.22098819]

>>22098815
But Socrates notes that the physically strong (society) would dominate the individually strong and he uses that as a segue to discuss justice and politics and why a society should be just since it has so much strength with which to affect the individual.

[Anonymous No.22098826]

>>22098697
the problem isn't believing this, it's accepting the consequences of it on the quality of the single man if the mass and number "triumph", which in practice means triumph of those few who can mold the largest number of men and herd them against other men-herders, though themselves not remaining unaffected by the very same processes they employ to bend and suppress in others those very anti-social instincts they attempt to remain separate from
so it becomes quite the sad spectacle if one sees the direction this rat race goes towards as a strong society doesn't necessarily mean a pretty one, there's a reason we are naturally inclined to see more nobility in the lion even if 10 hyenas may take him down due to more developed group cooperation strategies

[Anonymous No.22098832]

>some have overcome their shit ass society and upbringing
>therefore you can too!
>if you don't that's your fault!
>let's not address the shit ass society and upbringing though

[Anonymous No.22098839]

>>22098832
I don’t know how you could have read that quote and come to the conclusion that Callicles is content with society and believes it should remain the way it is.

[Anonymous No.22098851]

>>22098826
>there's a reason we are naturally inclined to see more nobility in the lion even if 10 hyenas may take him down due to more developed group cooperation strategies
Very succinctly put