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[Anonymous No.22070003]

I’m not satisfied with any of the main political ideologies in vogue today. Neither socialism, fascism, communism, or liberalism appeal to me.
Are there any decent authors who argue for monarchy and Catholic integralism? Something like Saudi Arabia but Christian.

[Anonymous No.22070016]

>>22070003
I literally cannot recommend John Toole enough.

[Anonymous No.22070020]

Why do you feel the need to align yourself with a political ideology? Perhaps address that.

[Anonymous No.22070031]

>>22070020
I want to know the best way to do politics and organise society. This is one of the central questions of philosophy. If you’re not interested in this question you’re not a deep thinker

[Anonymous No.22070032]

>>22070020
He needs someone to feed him arguments so he can "win."

[Anonymous No.22070038]

>>22070032
So you just figure everything out on your own and never engage with the deep wealth of thought that the human race has collectively worked on

[Anonymous No.22070058]

>>22070020
He doesn't want to live in a nightmare world, all of the ideologies and systems he listed above will result in a nightmare world, and for whatever reason he thinks it's possible that "Catholic integralism" won't create a nightmare world so he wants to read about it. Why do fencesitter pseuds have such a hard time understanding that?

[Anonymous No.22070078]

>>22070038
You want books that argue for something, that is not knowledge, that is petty bickering and comes with an agenda and generally works written from such an angle represent their ideas as bringing about some sort of utopia because look at all the cherry picked examples provided!

[Anonymous No.22070089]

>>22070078
Every author must have a thesis. Authors who don’t commit to anything and just present all the different “options” are generally shallow writers only good for textbooks

[Anonymous No.22070111]

>>22070038
Just engage with the deep wealth of thought that the human race has collectively worked on and figure everything out on your own. No one specific 'ism' is the truth. The world is too complex. The answer is putting them collectively together and taking the ideas that work from each - which will change over time depending on the current circumstances of the world.

[Anonymous No.22070123]

>>22070089
So a writers whose agenda is too educate is shallow and a writer who dances around the flaws of their ideology is deep? Seems a weird logic but I assume that is probably because you did not bother comprehending what I said and just through out a stock argument you read somewhere and thought applied.

[Anonymous No.22070130]

>>22070111
Isms are just convenient ways to group consistent bodies of thought which start from similar principles and reach similar conclusions. It doesn’t mean you have to accept absolutely everything their proponents say.

[Anonymous No.22070140]

>>22070123
>writer who dances around the flaws of their ideology is deep
this but unironically, i want your strongest argument for your ideas, i can see them deconstructed and nitpicked by some autistic retard online whenever i want.

[Anonymous No.22070147]

>>22070003
>political ideologies
your brain on post-french revolution worldview

[Anonymous No.22070151]

>>22070147
My worldview is literally anti-French Revolution. The fuck are you talking about. I am a anti-Vatican II Catholic monarchist

[Anonymous No.22070152]

>>22070151

[Anonymous No.22070159]

>>22070151
The Revolution of 1789 gave birth to what soon came to be called "ideologies," a word that was first used during the French Revolution

[Anonymous No.22070167]

>>22070159
By ideology I meant overall political worldview. Maybe I used the term incorrectly but that’s what I meant.

[Anonymous No.22070182]

>>22070140
Right, you want cherry picked arguments, not depth.

[Anonymous No.22070185]

>>22070182
>depth
>uhh here's an idea, it might be wrong i dunno, i'm not too sure about anything really, if you want to know more you should dedicate your life to reading further reams of meandering academic garbage

[Anonymous No.22070192]

>>22070003

[Anonymous No.22070204]

>>22070185
>swings to the fences
You really are proving my point nicely, you want to "win." Also nice waffle on the depth thing.

[Anonymous No.22070205]

>>22070192
Who falls for these obvious propaganda caricatures? Only weak minded people.

[Anonymous No.22070209]

>>22070205
You look like that. You look like that. You look like that.

[Anonymous No.22070210]

>>22070192
nice pic of pope francis

[Anonymous No.22070224]

What’s up with this recent redditor obsession with Catholicism? Is it from their marvel movies or something?

[Anonymous No.22070233]

Absolutism, or monarchism outside of the severely limiting feudal framework, is literally just a tool of class solidarity wherein the state can have agency without constant inter-noble fighting. The system itself cannot be anything other than service to the nobles however given that the monarch himself and the fiefs which he dolls out can be changed at any violent insurrection. As such, the unity of the monarch and the nobles is only so if the monarch takes great pains to appease them. The fundamental root of class solidarity in the nobility is extra-economic extraction from the peasantry through labour-payments and rents. This means that you would be living in a world where it’s both defacto and dejure that you are a slave to your lord. Additionally, your village will be torn apart by roving armies (the monarch decided to try to tax the nobles) and your land will lie fallow leading to starvation (you have worn out the land cultivating grain). That is unless you see yourself as being part of the new nobility, and why not given the idiocy of being a monarchist in the first place. You are begging for your life to be actually and legally worse.

[Anonymous No.22070245]

>>22070003
>Something like Saudi Arabia but Christian
Moldbug and Nrx in general. read the Open Letter. But the true redpill is, of course, becoming Muslim

[Anonymous No.22070380]

>>22070233
Lol, read pic related and Betrand De Jouvenel. Monarchy allows for much greater economic freedom and prosperity than does democracy. The nobles in France were only exempt from taxes because they had to fight for the king's wars. The peasants did not have to fight. There was no such thing as conscription. And because of the reforms of Louis IX, anybody could go directly to the king to voice their grievances.
Democratic politicians don't care about the future of the country because they don't own it and their children won't inherit it. All they care about is getting re-elected, maintaining power, and enriching themselves. This leads to demagoguery, socialism, war, and ethnic/class conflict.
>>22070245
Why would I become Muslim? Why would I abandon Jesus Christ just because the liberals dethroned him? I am religious because I love Christ. I am a monarchist and anti-liberal because I want to see Christ enthroned and honoured in society. If I abandon Christ, I may as well be a hedonist liberal, and pursue easy pleasures.

[Anonymous No.22070442]

>>22070380
> And because of the reforms of Louis IX, anybody could go directly to the king to voice their grievances.
Absolutely hilarious. Here’s how it would go
>me lord the harvest has been bad this year and me wife was taken by the plague. Please be lenient with taxes, I have but one arm due to me service in the kings armée
>get the fuck out of here serf
Not to mention that monarchy isn’t autocracy. You forget the whole warring nobles and license on power part of my reply

[Anonymous No.22070443]

>>22070003
You, my friend, are looking for The Fourth Political Theory by Alexander Dugin

[Anonymous No.22070447]

>>22070003
This board is lame

[Anonymous No.22070502]

>>22070380
Nobody cares that you want Jesus to wipe his hairy, sweaty balls all over your face while you lick his shit from his anus.

[Anonymous No.22070617]

>>22070442
Tax revenue as a percentage of national income from 11th century to 19th century in Europe (after which the monarchies of Europe were illegally toppled by the disgusting democrat Woodrow Wilson, excepting the monarchy of France, which was toppled by Freemasonic Jews), was 5-8%, compared to 35-50% today. Craftsmen and merchants were organised into guilds which would advocate their interests. Serfs worked less hours than workers do today, and lived a peaceful rural life, having to pay taxes in exchange for not having to fight in wars like the knights and nobles. In exchange, the nobles would protect the serfs, using their military power to enforce law and order, no different than what the state supposedly does today, except done at a local level. All classes were equal before the Altar.
I’m not advocating the revival of feudalism. Monarchy can work with industrial societies. Besides, feudalism is a term mostly defined by Marxists and revolutionary liberals, who also invented the inaccurate term “Dark Ages”. In the Middle Ages direct land ownership was more common than what is portrayed by these hostile groups.

[Anonymous No.22070990]

>>22070380
based

[Anonymous No.22071083]

>>22070003
ideologies don't have to appeal to you faggot. if there was a perfect political structure we wouldn't even discuss politics anymore. also monarchism is just flavor shit that doesn't matter and catholic integralism doesn't make any sense in 1352 + 671

[Anonymous No.22072078]

>>22070380
>Why would I abandon Jesus Christ just because the liberals dethroned him?
You abandom him by worshiping him instead of following the path of Christ who prayed to God

[Anonymous No.22072086]

>>22070617
>petrarch
>a Marxist and revolutionary liberal
damn bro whichever youtuber you got that opinion from let you down lmfao

[Anonymous No.22073497]

>>22070031
>I want to know the best way to do politics and organise society.
It's a transient matter. Transvaluate your morals first, then read literature from authors with similar worldviews. You will come to understand your relationship with politics after you come to understand your relationship with yourself.

[Anonymous No.22073504]

>>22070224
Materialistic civilisation results in subconscious nihilism, leading to individuals searching for meaning externally as a way to grasp for meaning. Usually, because the nature of our society, people in new world countries reject God very early; because it is so present in their upbringing, they regress to it while in their pursuit of purpose, wisdom, and self-actualisation.

[Anonymous No.22073555]

>>22070003
pic related is monarchist kino

[Anonymous No.22074866]

>>22070192
Based

[Anonymous No.22074958]

>>22070003
I'm right here anon.