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22047032 No.22047032 [Reply] [Original]

>christianity is bad and stupid
>don't follow rules and be a chad
>philosophy is just opinion

OK. Cool I guess? Is this it to Nietzsche? This is shit I figured out on my own when I was 14. Do people really need to read entire books to tell them stuff like this? Serious question.

>> No.22047042

>Do people really need to read entire books to tell them stuff like this?
Apparently.

>> No.22047046

>>22047032
>This is shit I figured out on my own when I was 14
That just shows how influential Nietzsche was on our culture.

>> No.22047066

>>22047046
Philosphitard cope

>> No.22047073

>>22047032
No you idiot. Nietzsche is about the will to power.

“Will to Power may now be conceived of as the permanentizing of surpassment, that is of becoming; hence as a transformed determination of the guiding metaphysical projection. The Eternal Recurrence of the Same unfurls and displays its essence, so to speak, as the most constant permanentizing of the becoming of what is constant.”

>> No.22047103

>>22047073
>literally the same drivel about "not following the rules and doing whatever you want" surpassing morality, ethics, etc, as if you were "strong" and important enough to do so

that's just more flowery and chewed.

>> No.22047141

The main flaw of Nietzsche is that he works under the assumption that denying our instincts is bad for us and that we must give in to our Dionysian impulses on occasion. This thesis is what his entire philosophy is based around.
But the problem with this is that it assumes that the origins of humanity is "correct" humanity, and not the final version of humanity we are progressing into. Maybe suppressing our desires for 2000 years was a necessary part of collective species growth that we don't fully understand yet. And going back to pagan Greek ideals of "might makes right" could be a regression that sets us back centuries. It could very well be that the Nietzschean idea of killing religion, and the will to power and the ubermensch is truly the next stage of history. But it has to happen organically and must be a direct response to the context of the time we are living in. It can't happen out of wanting to go back to the "good old days."

>> No.22047161

>>22047103
That's not at all what it is. True power is overabundance of strength and thus kindness at the end of the day.

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22047176

>>22047161
and don't you see exactly that in Christ's crucifixion?

the incarnation of God letting Himself get killed to save all others, including the ones who did it, and forgiving them while it happens.

the epitome of both: omnipotence, and omnibenevolence.

>> No.22047220

>>22047176
No. Christ is a symbolism of enslavement because he tells you to give up all your possessions and follow him. Strength isn't achieved by following but by being and you cam;t be if you're meek.

The Christian message is ultimately Jewish magic to corrupt being.

>> No.22047227

>>22047176
>>22047220
The Christian message is meekness and meekness is weakness and therefore evil. It's Jewish denaturing of nature -- ultimate corruption and decadence.

>> No.22047234

>>22047220
>No. Christ is a symbolism of enslavement because he tells you to give up all your possessions and follow him.
No he doesn't. That's Paul propaganda.

>> No.22047243

>>22047032
You never articulated any of this until reading him.

>> No.22047248

>>22047234
You don't die for others; you die for your love. A man who loves everyone loves no one.

Christianity is the ultimate retardation of spirit and being.

>> No.22047251

this is literally how nearly all philosophy is for me. can someone explain this? none of these books are telling me anything new. i already articulated all these things when i was a child lying in bed.

>> No.22047254

>>22047220
>>22047227
the word is not "meek" in the sense you're taking it.
go look for the greek, praus/praeis
it means mild, gentle, humble.
not weak.

and no, He does not tell you to give them away, He tells you to strive for perfection, and help others in need.
you're held to the standard of Christ's perfection, and the only way you're correct in the eyes of God is by trying to reach that with all your being, and knowing you need Him because you simply cannot attain that perfection.
i don't see how that would ever be weakness.

and, before you quote the rich young man, that is a test. Christ knows the man loves his possessions too much to give them up to follow Him.
if you'd rather simplify it, Christ is saying "let go of your greed and follow Me".
which the man couldn't.

>> No.22047258

>>22047254
Slave morality.

>> No.22047260

>>22047251
You already know these things intuitively, you just haven't articulated or heard them articulated.

>> No.22047270

>>22047251
that is what a teen thinks as he goes on a powertrip.

all of philosophy is different copes trying to fill the God shaped hole in the middle of answers.

the greeks literally came to the conclusion that God existed and was a single one, even while not knowing Him yet.

>> No.22047272

>>22047254
>not meek
Shame, because meek is a better word with a cooler meaning.

>> No.22047275

>>22047251
>>22047260
>>22047270
We all know these things. Any child knows. We all know who the losers in class are. Until the corruption comes.

>> No.22047276

>>22047258
how do you not see the weakness in trampling others for a false sense of superiority and strength, or "becoming"?

>> No.22047277

>>22047275
>the loser in class
Yeah, you.

>> No.22047286

>>22047276
>>22047277
The meek have no redemption but to be themselves -- like Hasbulla -- you end up a clown.

Nietzsche is for the strong who have been corrupted by Christianity. If you're not strong them Nietzsche is not for you.

>> No.22047298

>animals evolve
lmao why did darwin write an entire book about this, and why do people read it?

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>>22047032
Did you ever write that shit down though? With a logical explanation for why these three points are correct? Someone had to.

>> No.22047676

>>22047251
How did you ended up here?

>> No.22047687

>>22047141
Did you read him at all?

>> No.22047697

>>22047270
>even while not knowing Him yet.
early christers stealing the homework of platonist hellenes doesn't make the latter retroactively ignorant, it makes the former corrupt brainlets

>> No.22047713

>>22047032
>philosophy is just opinion
No. Perspectivism is not relativism.

>> No.22048869

>>22047713
Write the difference then

>> No.22048896

>>22047176
>another day, another Christian seething session at Nietzsche

So many cases

>> No.22048935

>>22048896
idk that dude got 3 non-sequiters from non-Christians after he made a pretty good point

>> No.22048949

>>22047220
>he tells you to give up all your possessions and follow him
I've always wondered where people got this from. I was raised by non-religious Catholics, I just went to Sunday school and never got that impression at all. Even as an outsider, who would think that the traditionally Christian nations in Europe and North America ended up the materially wealthiest in the world after apparently being stunted by this weird hypothetical hippie weakness cult? >>22047227

>> No.22048990

>>22047243
>implying OP actually read him

>> No.22049257

>>22048990
I read enough to make that conclusion. Why would I read 10 full books that say the same exact thing? You know you don't have to do that right?

>> No.22049797

>>22047032
>people who don't understand Christianity talking about how it's bad
Lol. Lmao even.

>> No.22049847

>>22047161
>>22047220
Bro, seriously, you must be 18 to have a conversation on this website. Get out.

>> No.22049934

>meth is bad
OK. Cool I guess? Is this it to Breaking Bad? This is shit I figured out on my own when I was 14. Do people really need to watch 62 full length episodes to tell them stuff like this? Serious question.

>> No.22049948

>>22047032
Nietzsche is just a midwit who became popular because his writing style appealed to emotions and made people feel good while reading it.
In terms of content, is is weak and wrong.

No wonder he was a miserable person.

>> No.22050586

>>22047103
It’s not “do want you want”. It’s do what makes you strong. Those are two very different things.

>> No.22050619

>>22050586
Nietzsche was a cringe, not enough well-read adolescent who never actually understood what Christ and Christianism are about. In fact, in "The Antichrist", he eventually contradicts his entire philosophy by expressing shy words of appreciation for Christ. The whole "madness" crisis, the whole Turin horse thing, is most probably the result of realizing that he was wrong all along, so for that reason he locked himself in silence out of shame.

>It’s do what makes you strong
And that's exactly what Christ teaches. Nietzsche was a retard.

>> No.22050637

>>22047227
>>22047220
This is doesnt make any sense. Nor is it backed by the history of the church. Its your own drivel created through a personal interpretation of the bible that fits your own paradigm

>> No.22050801

>>22050619
I really don’t think it’s worth effort posting for someone who claims Jesus taught his followers to be strong. You guys are so retarded it numbs the mind. I cannot fathom the Olympic level mental gymnastics you’re doing to say something that fucking stupid. Go cope you’re way out of the sermon at the mount.

>> No.22050818

>This is shit I figured out on my own when I was 14
You live in a Nietzschean zeitgeist where such ideas are pervasive everywhere. You didn't "figure it out" you receieved it by osmosis

>> No.22050838

>>22047141
>But the problem with this is that it assumes that the origins of humanity is "correct" humanity, and not the final version of humanity we are progressing into.
I thought he incorporated this concept of progress through struggle in the Ubermensch.
"The ubermensch will view us as we view the ape"

>> No.22050849

>>22047220
The other anon is right. Nietzsche admired Christ. He despised Christianity, but not Christ Himself. The view that kindness comes from power was developed from his mentor, Schopenhauer who had a similar view about coming to love humanity

>> No.22050866

>>22049257
>read enough
Which books?

>> No.22050868

>>22047032
If a cringe 14 year old agreed with him without convincing that shows he is wrong. Follow the rules of natural law and return to the Father. Anything else is coomerism.

>> No.22051188

>>22047141
that's why tradfaggots are retards

>> No.22051200

>>22049847
cope he's right

>> No.22051270

>>22051200
cope he's wrong

>> No.22051284

>>22047141
People who havnt Read N shouldn’t talk about him

>> No.22051294

>>22047220
Christian message is totally unjewish.

>> No.22051299

Gr8 b8 m8

>> No.22051327

>>22047032
>>22047103
>>22047141
>>22047220
>>22047251
>>22047275
>>22049257
Go to page 53 and start reading.
https://monoskop.org/images/4/44/Heidegger_Martin_The_Question_Concerning_Technology_and_Other_Essays.pdf