Renaissance occult and literature

[Anonymous No.22046572]

Okay I want all the names you know of occult renaissance writes


And renaissance writers in general

[Anonymous No.22046595]

Choke on a slippery BBC

[Anonymous No.22046741]

>>22046572
For secondary literature one good scholar to read that is often forgotten is Culianu, Eliade's apprentice.

[Anonymous No.22046760]

>>22046741
Who’s he?

[Anonymous No.22046765]

>>22046760
Eliade's apprentice or Eliade?
Those are your recommendations

[Anonymous No.22046786]

>>22046765
Eros and Magic in the Renaissance might be Culianu's most famous work, so anyone wishing to read him might start from there.

[Anonymous No.22047306]

>>22046765
Both of them lol

[Anonymous No.22047337]

>>22046572
Is Yates's Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition still legit? It was my entry point long ago.

[Anonymous No.22047388]

>>22047337
Quite outdated. You could read this:
https://www.academia.edu/1170505/Beyond_the_Yates_paradigm_the_study_of_Western_esotericism_between_counterculture_and_new_complexity_2001_

[Anonymous No.22047461]

>>22046572
Marsilio Ficino, Giovanni Mirandola, Gemistus Plethon, and Bessarion.

Ignore Savonarola, Bruno, and John Dee; they're meme larpers.

[Anonymous No.22048377]

>>22046572
sorry, i'm an esoteric obscurantist. you aint ever getting my well curated list. but here's one you:

Stephen King
Christopher Moore
Michael Chrichton
Cormac McCarthy
Robert Heinlein
Thomas Pynchon

this ought to keep you occupied!

[Anonymous No.22048644]

>>22047337
Yes it's a lovely classic

[Anonymous No.22048652]

Just look through the glossary of Evola's Hermetic Tradition for several dozen names.

[Anonymous No.22048735]

>>22047461
I want to read about Savonarola.
Can someone recommend me some books?

[Anonymous No.22048800]

>>22048377
Is this a joke they are just authors.

Also it’s good karma to share your list since if you collect knowledge just for you own pride and refuse to share it that will be very bad for your flow

Don’t be a miser

[Anonymous No.22048815]

>>22048800
Is karma part of the occult tradition? I think that you are making that up.

[Anonymous No.22049230]

>>22048377
me 2

[Anonymous No.22049838]

>>22048815
is part of hindu and buddhist occult tradition

[Anonymous No.22049950]

>>22047461
How much of Plethon is translated?

[Anonymous No.22050017]

>>22046572

[Anonymous No.22050027]

>>22050017
What is the book The Counter-Renaissance about?

[Anonymous No.22050051]

>>22046572

[Anonymous No.22050090]

>>22050027
It's exactly about the occult currents of the 15th and 16th century. It deals with all those cultural products (both artistic and philosophical) that challenge and disprove our idea of the Renaissance as the "age of light, reason and proportion".

There's a similar book by an Italian philosopher, Eugenio Battisti, titled "The Antirenaissance". Unfortunately it's not translated into English, I think. Both books are HUGE and they are genuinely 10/10.

[Anonymous No.22050127]

>>22047461
>Ignore Savonarola, Bruno, and John Dee; they're meme larpers.
Definitely read Angel des westlichen Fenster though. If only that John Dee were the real John Dee.

[Anonymous No.22050145]

>>22050090
thanks!
I'll put it on my reading list.

[Anonymous No.22050426]

>>22050090
Just realized I have Eugenio Battisti's book in my native language. Will read.

[Anonymous No.22050440]

>>22049950
Last of the Hellenes has all his fragments. There appears to be a new translation from some neopagan too.

[Anonymous No.22050452]

>>22050426
German?

[Anonymous No.22050531]

Prereqs:
Plato
Aristotle
Augustine
Aquinas
Plotinus
Proclus
Iamblichus
Dionysius the Areopagite
Boethius
Numenius
Hermes
Chaldean Oracles
Pythagorean Sourcebook
Theology of Arithmetic
Tetrabiblos
Bible

Primary sources:
Ficino
Mirandola
Patrizi
Cusanus
Bessarion
Plethon
Bruno
Dee
Lull
Paracelsus
Agrippa

Islamic: (optional?)
De Radiis
Picatrix

Secondary:
Eliade (forge and crucible)
Evola (hermetic tradition)
Culianu (eros and magic)
Yates (art of mem, bruno and hermetic trad)
Cassirer (individ n cosmos)
Hanegraaf (dictionary, guide for perplexed, etc.)
Uzdavinys (phil and theurgy, ancient phil as rite of rebirth, orpheus and platonism, etc.)
Shaw (theurgy and soul)
Lehrich (language of demons and angels)

[Anonymous No.22050544]

>>22050452
Romanian
We have a lot of Italian stuff translated, and it's the easiest language for us to learn as a foreign language.

[Anonymous No.22050551]

>>22050544
Based. Enjoy your reading, anon.

[Anonymous No.22050552]

>>22050531
Tbh should prolly read Sefer Yetzirah, Bahir, and Zohar too if want Jewish stuff as well which actually does tie in quite a bit

[Anonymous No.22050590]

>>22050552
Maybe Cicero, Macrobius, and Capella if you wanna go even deeper

[Anonymous No.22050609]

>>22050531
I would also suggest perhaps Capella on Liberal Arts as well as Macrobius on Dream of Cicero for truly understanding the ancient mind. Very encyclopedic works but should perhaps be listed as prereqs too

[Anonymous No.22050622]

>>22050531
Another of my fave secondary works, albeit not directly related, is Shape of Ancient Thought which deals with philosophy east and west in ancient world and speculates believably on their possible interactions.

Also, the idea of Plato being a demigod as professed by many in Renaissance is found in the lives of eminent philosophers by diogenes laertius (not the cynic dummies)

[Anonymous No.22050738]

>Vos igitur, doctrinae et sapientiae filii, perquirite in hoc libro colligendo nostram dispersam intentionem
quam in diversis locis proposuimus et quod occultatum est a nobis in uno loco, manifestum fecimus illud in alio, ut sapientibus vobis patefiat. Vobis enim solis scripsimus. . . .

Useless to read unless you are an excellent Latinist and well read in Neoplatonism and ancient hermeticism. Even scholars admit that they have been filtered.

>Agrippa, one of the most influential magical
thinkers of the Renaissance, was for the next two centuries continually cited (positively or negatively) along with Paracelsus as a founding thinker of the magical schools of thought. Despite this, modern scholars have had great difficulty uncovering anything of value or importance in his greatest work, DOP...while it is undeniable that he was influential, modern scholarship has been unable to explain why he was influential.

[Anonymous No.22050904]

>>22050738
>he hasn't studied latin, greek, and ancients
>laughingnymphs.jpg

[Anonymous No.22051232]

>>22050904
That's the issue. No one has had that type of formative education since the early 20th century

[Anonymous No.22051648]

>>22051232
nothin' personal

[Anonymous No.22052884]

Bump

[Anonymous No.22053031]

>>22052884
Bump your mump trump lump thump stump chump

[Anonymous No.22053219]

>>22053031
>>22052884
bumpbmbgawsud bump l

[Anonymous No.22053888]

>>22051232
I am not an elite and I managed to study Latin and Greek and Philosophy in college. Alas no classical education as kid but can muddle thru most ancient stuff. Then again, I am an unemployed neet since graduating. But maybe doin grad school soon. What's yr excuse?

[Anonymous No.22054125]

>>22053888
I am a stemfag and still somehow unemployed, it's over for me

[Anonymous No.22054142]

>>22050738
>modern scholarship has been unable to explain why he was influential
Modern occultists don't seem to have this problem from what I've seen. Maybe modern scholarship has an incorrect understanding of natural magic.

[Anonymous No.22054414]

>>22053888
Doesn't matter. Even a classics PhD would still get mogged by a kid in the 17th ce. There was a guy who translated some of Milton's Latin poems which he had written when he was 16 and the prof said that the amount of linguistic and literary knowledge Milton had at that age would outweigh that of a middle aged scholar of today.

>>22054142
>Modern occultists
98% are larpers who read in English translations. I also don't believe that they know any better than scholars on the cryptography these Renaissance occultists were using in their Latin.

[Anonymous No.22054511]

>>22054414
Milton was exceptional even in his era. If you were too lazy to learn philosophy in contemporary era I doubt you'd be a polymath in the past even if you were some rich scion.

[Anonymous No.22054588]

>>22054414
How much is lost in reading a technical work like that in translation? From what I've read of Agrippa his work is very functional (i.e. 'Do x and y for z')

[Anonymous No.22054620]

>>22054588
If you can parse Latin, the Brill edition has great notes.

If not, read Perdue (Inner Traditions edition)

[Anonymous No.22054631]

>>22054620
But irregardless you should also check out Lehrich cause tis best secondary source. Expensive for print version but there are pdfs floating about.

[Anonymous No.22054645]

>>22054631
Also not written on renaissance magic specifically and quite continental (i.e., pomo) but Lehrich's Occult Mind is a fantastic work even tho the subtitle (Magic in Theory and Practice) may be misleading (certainly not a practitioner book unless read between lines...)

[Anonymous No.22054663]

>>22054511
>Milton was exceptional even in his era.
Point being, at age 16, he had more erudition than the majority of Classics/English profs of today, thanks to his ~formative~ education, Milton was already at this level before he spent 10 years neeting it up at his parents' house, between the ages of 20-30, in order to become even more erudite.
>>22054588
These kinds of occultist groups had their own particular dialect which only the initiated would understand. The issue that translators and scholars have is if he is literally saying 'Do x and y for z' or if he is making a cryptic reference to an alchemical text which would explain what he was saying in a roundabout way.

[Anonymous No.22054731]

>>22054663
>being, at age 16, he had more erudition than the majority of Classics/English profs of today, thanks to his ~formative~ education
I’m incredibly piqued by this. Do you know what their curriculums were like and what sort of literature they studied? I always imagined it was the trivium with some Aristotle and much Cicero, which I don’t see as entirely unattainable today.
>or if he is making a cryptic reference to an alchemical text which would explain what he was saying in a roundabout way
He was a, paradoxically enough, very pious and straight edge Christian, so I wouldn’t count out someone as intelligent as him to be putting forth a persona for the sake of his neck.

[Anonymous No.22054844]

>>22054731
>Do you know what their curriculums were like and what sort of literature they studied?
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Harvard_Classics_Vol._3/Milton%27s_Tractate_on_Education
This is Milton's take on the ideal path in education. As you'd expect, he follows the path of the trivium (first grammar, then logic, end with rhetoric) and recommends the order in which certain works must be read.
>I don’t see as entirely unattainable today.
Fair point but there is a difference between someone whose mind was trained to think in such a way starting at age 5 and someone else at age 25.
>putting forth a persona for the sake of his neck.
Occultists write in a cryptic way to filter the unworthy and gaurd their knowledge, e.g. the above Latin quote in >>22050738
>>Vos igitur, doctrinae et sapientiae filii, perquirite in hoc libro colligendo nostram dispersam intentionem quam in diversis locis proposuimus et quod occultatum est a nobis in uno loco, manifestum fecimus illud in alio, ut sapientibus vobis patefiat. Vobis enim solis scripsimus. . . .

[Anonymous No.22055036]

>>22054844
>https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Harvard_Classics_Vol._3/Milton%27s_Tractate_on_Education
Thank you anon, can't wait to read that tomorrow morning. Where would you rank Milton among the greats? My friend insists he doesn't even come close to Dante but, since I don't speak Italian, I think better Milton than Dante in translation.

[Anonymous No.22055353]

>>22054844
>cryptic verbiage
I guess that means all autistic people as we interpret everything literally

[Anonymous No.22056127]

>>22055353
yew kant allegory? analogy? abduct? symbolize? imagine? entertain multiple planes simultaneously? hold synchrony and diachrony in hand? entertain sense and nonsense alongside reference?
>>22054663
Forget the media mcluhan revolution, milton lived in gutenberg revolution, and before that was platonic derridean post-egyptian/atlantean speech/writing divorce... our mind are internal and external, the sum of knowledge increases, even if we forget older ways of being, what is truly powerful is to reignite such sparks of tradition. If nothing else, Crowley and Guenon and Evola and Eliade and such attempted to do so. If we are to take metaphor of perennialism literally, it is the root which remains but the flower which blooms in a singularity and moment and place...
>>22054125
learn magic, i recommend spare's spell "trapping an elemental in an arrivist familiar" for a first spell from the logomachy of zos iirc. either that or read energized enthusiasm from crowley.

[Anonymous No.22056172]

>>22050531
Also the Shams al-Ma'arif under the Islamic tradition

[Anonymous No.22056540]

>>22056127
>i recommend spare's spell "trapping an elemental in an arrivist familiar" for a first spell from the logomachy of zos iirc. either that or read energized enthusiasm from crowley.
Why these recommendations in particular? I have quite a bit of theoretical knowledge of magic for reference but little to no practice. What are your opinions on Jung’s Red Book?

[Anonymous No.22056766]

sidequest: read a modern physics textbook without atheist materialist existential nihilist presuppotions

[Anonymous No.22056844]

>>22056540
I am trolling. Mostly. But maybe they'd be relevant to anon's life. I found them inspiring while breaking out of my narrow mindedness while younger. Certainly easier than recommending something like the Abramelin Operation. Jung's Red Book is some sort of neo-alchemical visionary work. Alas, he is not clear on how to perform such work for one's self. His better students however do illustrate the active imagination process well.
>>22056766
This is true

[Anonymous No.22056852]

>>22056844
>I found them inspiring while breaking out of my narrow mindedness while younger
Can you expand on this? Breaking out how?
>Alas, he is not clear on how to perform such work for one's self
It wasn't really meant to be published so makes sense.

[Anonymous No.22056883]

>>22056852
Breaking out can be the most mundane and most metaphysical things. On a practical level, I am better off in life than previously. On a theoretical level, I am more aware of enchanted nature of reality. Ofc these feed into each other.

Yes. The red book is more of a guidebook to the other land. An example of what one can find and do. But few practice the imaginal arts. And it can be dangerous without grounding. Even so, the greater the risk the greater the cure as is said

[Anonymous No.22056902]

>>22056883
>Breaking out can be the most mundane and most metaphysical things. On a practical level, I am better off in life than previously. On a theoretical level, I am more aware of enchanted nature of reality. Ofc these feed into each other.
I think I've already achieved this.
>The red book is more of a guidebook
Do you have any prerequisites you'd recommend before getting into it? I'm primarily interested in
>the other land

[Anonymous No.22056936]

>>22056883
I should add that the reason I'm not so interested in traditional magic is that I simply feel like I don't need it. I think if people interested in occultism had a better understanding of types of magic they'd know that. it's like most people would not join an intense olympic weightlifting program without knowing what they're doing, yet "dabble" with this stuff and waste their time and decry the whole thing. Personally, I'm more interested in mysticism or more spiritual/religious ways of living, as well as Jungian imagination work.

[Anonymous No.22057836]

>>22056902
Hillman has a good secondary work on red book. Just a lil convo with translator but good in roundabout way. His dream and underworld book is a good jungian work on the other world as well, a corrective to jung in some ways too. I believe corbin's concept of mundus imaginalis ties in w jung's animus mundi in addition to other related concepts by other figures such as the so-called noosphere. Sadly, Corbin planned a book on Jung but died before completion however it is available in fragmentary form as jung, buddhism, and the reincarnation of sophia. Klages ties into Jung methinks as mentioned earlier, of cosmogonic eros is fantastic despite author's sex and politics weirdness. Bishop, a typhonian/voudon gnostix(?), has some work tieing them together along with Nietzsche and Plato. Good stuff. Jung's writings on active imagination are scattered throughout his writings but I believe there is a compilation of the mentions. I think a lot of it comes from his book Psychology and Alchemy. Von franz also has a work on alchemical active imagination. She is a good popularizer. Speaking of popularizers, Edinger's Ego and Archetype is p good if you just want the Jungian system explained simply. I've also heard good things regarding Neumann's Origin of Consciousness. Supposedly like a Jungian meta-history... also, kinda new age, but patrick harpur's daimonic reality and philosopher's secret fire and stuff is interesting applied jungianism. The limits of such systems one might say. Very magical. Perhaps Jung would have secretly agreed. Perhaps not.
>>22056936
Fair enough. That's where I'm at too. When I was younger however I craved the fantastic. Hence the appeal of Spare and Crowley and other stuff. That said even they themselves however tried to veer toward mysticism over egoic magic. Questionable how well they succeeded of course. I do think however that grounding in the classics does help with stabilizing imaginal work and staying safe with such dangerous psychic forces.

[Anonymous No.22057873]

>>22057836
Shut the fuck up you unbearable homo.

[Anonymous No.22057975]

>>22057873
>buttmad

[Anonymous No.22058245]

>>22056936
>most people would not join an intense olympic weightlifting program without knowing what they're doing, yet "dabble" with this stuff and waste their time and decry the whole thing
many such cases

[Anonymous No.22059103]

>>22054844
>>>Vos igitur, doctrinae et sapientiae filii, perquirite in hoc libro colligendo nostram dispersam intentionem quam in diversis locis proposuimus et quod occultatum est a nobis in uno loco, manifestum fecimus illud in alio, ut sapientibus vobis patefiat. Vobis enim solis scripsimus. . . .
anyone have a translation?

[Anonymous No.22059108]

>>22059103
>>>Vos igitur, doctrinae et sapientiae filii, perquirite in hoc libro colligendo nostram dispersam intentionem quam in diversis locis proposuimus et quod occultatum est a nobis in uno loco, manifestum fecimus illud in alio, ut sapientibus vobis patefiat. Vobis enim solis scripsimus. . . .
We therefore blah blah blah basically use blinds to mislead i.e.; straussian esotericism

[Anonymous No.22059240]

>>22059103
wouldn't be hidden anymore if someone translated it for you.

[Anonymous No.22059270]

>>22059103
Therefore, you, sons of learning and wisdom, seek diligently in this book, gathering together our scattered intention which we have presented in various places. What has been hidden from you in one place, we have made evident in another, so that it may be revealed to you, the wise ones. For we have written this for you alone

[Anonymous No.22059618]

>>22058245
Occultism is completely out of date due to cybernetics, AI and mind control technology.

Religion is also out of date.

If the government can hack your brain then all your esoteric bullshit is almost completely worthless unless you have some way of protecting your brain.

Government promotes occultism and esoteric stuff on the internet to waste people's time and money on out of date bullshit that makes them feel special and unique when technology is 100% better.

Just as one small example the Gateway process by Dr Robert Monroe shits on all other meditation/breathing practices by a large margin because it employs technology to enhance meditation.

[Anonymous No.22059631]

>>22059618
>cybernetics, AI, mind control
Lol. Occultism is best defense against all that. Not to mention, cybernetics is a failure, AI is impossible, and mind control is done better by magicians than scientists
>monroe
Absolute plebeian, gb2>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.22060531]

>>22059631

[Anonymous No.22060581]

>>22059631
>>22060531
that bitch died

[Anonymous No.22061162]

>>22059618
Lol you are way out of your league, some of the books mentioned itt straight up predicted all that you’re saying. There is a massive difference between lowbrow occultism and highbrow—it’s an umbrella term. Religion and occultism can’t be ‘outdated,’ it’s the key to understanding the world and human psychology, including the atheist’s. AI isn’t going to come at us the way you think it is. Normies welcome brainwashing, they have a desire for oblivion, occultism teaches you to get your priorities straight.